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On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? you dont have to be physically fit to be healthy, you jsut have to eat right as long as youve got a good balanced diet you can still be healthy
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On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua
also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (:
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On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: If there was a war on and nobody had any food, I wouldn't talk to you, because you would probably try to eat me.
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I noticed that many people make the statement of "how do you tax obesity without discriminating against fat people" with regards to the strategy of increasing tobacco taxes to deter smoking. The solution: Stop subsidizing corn (only applicable to the United States as far as I know). The cost of nearly all soda, fast food, nearly everything in the frozen section, junk food section, etc. will have dramatically increased prices. The healthier options suddenly become cheaper and healthier lifestyles are created due to financial conditions.
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On March 13 2012 05:46 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: If there was a war on and nobody had any food, I wouldn't talk to you, because you would probably try to eat me. why? you are the one starving. make sense please, boy!
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On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (:
Because obesity is a big problem. Health costs sky-rocket as a result of someone being overweight, and society as a whole pays for it. Flight industry is trying to figure out what to do because there are too many fat people. Parents are raising children to be as fat as they are, which in my eyes is child abuse, as the child has no idea what's wrong until they are already fat by the time they realize it.
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On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy
are you kidding? Have you not seen the research on how being overweight is linked to a plethora of health problems?
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On March 13 2012 05:49 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:46 Vorgrim wrote:On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: If there was a war on and nobody had any food, I wouldn't talk to you, because you would probably try to eat me. why? you are the one starving. make sense please, boy! I've seen a fat person try to not eat for a whole day before, and it was the most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed.
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On March 13 2012 05:46 Naio wrote: I noticed that many people make the statement of "how do you tax obesity without discriminating against fat people" with regards to the strategy of increasing tobacco taxes to deter smoking. The solution: Stop subsidizing corn (only applicable to the United States as far as I know). The cost of nearly all soda, fast food, nearly everything in the frozen section, junk food section, etc. will have dramatically increased prices. The healthier options suddenly become cheaper and healthier lifestyles are created due to financial conditions. im prfectly healthy im not overwieght i take care and pay close attention to what i eat, and i do enjoy snack foods
why should we punish the entire country just becuase some people dont like overweight people?
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On March 13 2012 05:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: Because obesity is a big problem. Health costs sky-rocket as a result of someone being overweight, and society as a whole pays for it. Flight industry is trying to figure out what to do because there are too many fat people. Parents are raising children to be as fat as they are, which in my eyes is child abuse, as the child has no idea what's wrong until they are already fat by the time they realize it. i doubt that everyone here has the health costs in mind when talking shit about fat people.
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On March 13 2012 06:06 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:49 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 05:46 Vorgrim wrote:On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: If there was a war on and nobody had any food, I wouldn't talk to you, because you would probably try to eat me. why? you are the one starving. make sense please, boy! I've seen a fat person try to not eat for a whole day before, and it was the most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed. well, that's basically a severely addicted person on withdrawal. may look pathetic to a worm like you. also, he didn't eat you. see. my point :>
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On March 13 2012 06:12 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 04:20 beg wrote:On March 13 2012 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2012 02:43 Forikorder wrote:On March 13 2012 00:14 Ckalvin wrote: I think fat people don't get enough crap. The majority of overweight people choose to be that way because of an active choice to be lazy. Smokers get lambasted in the media and by government, so should overweight people who choose to do nothing about their health. prove they do nothing about there health theres nothing stopping someone from being overwieght and otherwise perfectly healthy, just becuase they dont exercise enough to lose weight doesnt make them unhealthy There are actually lot of unhealthy impacts on your health purely from having too much body fat. Also, I think your point is a little thin, because what % of people with a really high body fat % do you think are physically fit? we'll talk when there's a war and no one has food anymore, hhauhauahuahhua also, why the fuck do you people care that other people aren't living up to your arbitrary health standards? stop caring? are the looks of fat people so disgusting to you? guess what, some of you also look like shit to me and i wish i wouldnt ever have to look at persons like that (: Because obesity is a big problem. Health costs sky-rocket as a result of someone being overweight, and society as a whole pays for it. Flight industry is trying to figure out what to do because there are too many fat people. Parents are raising children to be as fat as they are, which in my eyes is child abuse, as the child has no idea what's wrong until they are already fat by the time they realize it. i doubt that everyone here has the health costs in mind when talking shit about fat people.
Why does it matter that everyone has that in mind? I do, and that is one of the big reasons I am arguing against obesity. Other people's points are irrelevant. It brings society down and it destroys the early years of a lot of children because of the abusive upbringing of their parents.
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It's people's own business to consume whatever type of food they want. The government should have no way to enforce consumption of the kinds of food they think people should eat. Neither should they mandate "x" amount of hours they think people should exercise. As for smoking, the owners of private property should determine what they want. For public areas, it should be left to the state and local governments.
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The simple way to stop people from smoking, without being fascist, oppressive and discriminating towards them: 1. There can be only one brand of cigarettes available, called cigarettes (no choice here, no lights, menthols and other bullshit). 2. Make it cost $100/pack.
Suddenly, the only people smoking are the 1%. Tada!
(Remember, this comes from a smoker who enjoys his vice)
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On March 13 2012 07:26 Manit0u wrote: The simple way to stop people from smoking, without being fascist, oppressive and discriminating towards them: 1. There can be only one brand of cigarettes available, called cigarettes (no choice here, no lights, menthols and other bullshit). 2. Make it cost $100/pack.
Suddenly, the only people smoking are the 1%. Tada!
(Remember, this comes from a smoker who enjoys his vice) so essentially completely destory the ciggarette companies and put all them out of bussiness and literally force tons of people to completely quit ciggarettes cold turkey and see robberys of convenience stores go up 10000% as people rob them for the cigs
theres no reason why we should destroy any bussiness just becuase people are stupid enough to buy from them
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On March 07 2012 00:57 henkel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 00:52 visual77 wrote:On March 07 2012 00:46 henkel wrote: it always brings a huge smile to my face when ex-smokers get completely 100% anti smoking and whine about second hand smoking while walking outside in a medium or big city. It somehow feels so stupid, with fine dust and the hundreds of other pollutions in the air. Guess it has something to do with the attitude of "wow look at me i stopped smoking now i have to right to demonise my former peers". So to all of them congrats on kicking that habit and do what ever you need to do to feel good about yourself.
Maybe they get that way because, having seen both sides, they decided that smoking is pretty pointless and self destructive? By that logic wouldn't all ex-smokers be that way?
Yes ofcourse but once you're into an addiction it's easy to forget the benefits of the past. A person that is into a drug/alcohol addiction might have a hard time admitting that their former lifestyle was a better one, same can go for smoking.
A person that has once been clean, then started smoking and then got out of it again has been in heaven, through hell and back again and most likely has a better formed opinion than the ones that are still stuck in hell.
Sorry for making it so dramatic lol.
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On March 13 2012 07:26 Manit0u wrote: The simple way to stop people from smoking, without being fascist, oppressive and discriminating towards them: 1. There can be only one brand of cigarettes available, called cigarettes (no choice here, no lights, menthols and other bullshit). 2. Make it cost $100/pack.
Suddenly, the only people smoking are the 1%. Tada!
(Remember, this comes from a smoker who enjoys his vice)
you said without being fascist
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On March 07 2012 02:10 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 01:24 naggerNZ wrote:On March 07 2012 01:20 solidbebe wrote:On March 07 2012 01:16 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 01:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 01:00 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 00:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 00:40 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 00:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: [quote]
Seriously? Those are your analogies to cancerous drugs and being unhealthy? If I'm sitting on a bench in a park and someone sits down next to me and start screaming in their cellphone about annoying shit, what do I do? I leave. He is allowed to sit there and talk, but it pisses me off, so I switch my location. What can you do in a similar situation with a smoker? Oh, how about the exact same thing? The cause of the situations might be different, the solution is the same. And yet magically, people don't start to choke or develop cancer by merely sitting next to a jerk on a cellphone or a constant whistler. So I guess the analogy only stops at "People can be jerks" and it's not really a good analogy for the actual substances of what the people are doing, huh? So? There's 0 conclusive proof that passive smoking leads to cancer, so your argument is as paper thin as me saying the guy with the cellphone is 1) giving me cancer with his cellphones electromagnetic fields 2) ruining my hearing with his screaming 3) destroying my mental health with his annoying shit. If you dislike a situation, it's up to you to leave it. What are you talking about? There's 0 conclusive proof? American Cancer Society: http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke National Cancer Institute: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm Seriously, at least do a fucking Google search before you make such ridiculous claims. I know kindergarteners who know that cigarettes are bad for you x.x How do you not know this yet? And someone earlier had posted that we don't need to be reminded of the problems that cigarettes cause... jesus. And for what it's worth, if someone else intrudes into an environment and changes the atmosphere, they're the ones that should leave, because they're the ones screwing it up. I'm quite thankful that many places tell smokers to smoke outside the building. Do what you want with your own body, but leave me out of it. I shouldn't be the one who has to go away. I like how you missed a post one the previous page which covered this. "We reviewed the toxicologic, clinical, and epidemiologic evidence on the health effects of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). For each type of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke we have sought articles in the English language reporting studies of effects on human health. Formal criteria that stressed study design, quality of execution and generalizability of results were used to select 116 scientifically admissible reports from over 2,900 articles. We concluded that: (a) there is strong evidence of an association between residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and both respiratory illness and reduction of lung function, and also between maternal smoking and reduced birth weight; (b) the weight of evidence is compatible with an association between active maternal smoking during pregnancy and increased infant mortality, and also between residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (primarily spousal smoking) and the risk of lung cancer; (c) there is evidence consistent with a relationship between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace and respiratory symptoms, (d) the evidence is insufficient to implicate residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke in relation to other forms of malignant disease or congenital malformations; (e) there is no evidence in the literature of an association between nonresidential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and any form of cancer. Further studies are required to address the effects of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, especially nonresidential exposure, in carcinogenesis and as a risk factor for atherosclerosis. Further work is also needed to improve measurement of exposure in such studies and to assess the importance of confounding factors." Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Faculty of Medicine, McGill University. And no, you SHOULD be the one to leave. If I'm allowed to smoke a public place X, I'm allowed to smoke there. If you dislike it, you should be the one leaving, then you can go complain to the establishment, that's none of my business. No you shouldn't. If some idiot started being completely obnoxious in the middle of the street. Then HE would need to leave or stop. Not the people around him because it is legal for him to do so. Since when was smoking in your presence being obnoxious? When I smoke in public I stand away from other people and out of the path of passersby whenever I can. For someone to be affected by my smoking they would literally have to walk up and stand next to me. Every smoker that I know acts similarly. How is this being obnoxious? And we non-smokers thank you for being courteous- which exactly proves how some smokers could be annoying. Cigarette smoke affects the people around you, even if you don't think it causes medical issues. It causes- at the very least- trouble breathing and congestion and other discomfort for those nearby, and that's exactly why restaurants either have no smoking at all or smoking and no smoking sections. It's so we non-smokers don't have to worry about smokers sitting next to us. And you don't have to be actively smoking inches away from us either. Believe it or not, your breath and clothes smell like shit and make the environment less enjoyable- something that the restaurant obviously doesn't want to see. So thank you for being courteous, but others aren't always as respectful as you, and there are rules in place to make sure that everyone remains comfortable. That's actually not why smoking is outlawed in restaurants, at least not in Sweden. Smoking sections fix this issue without stopping smokers from doing what they enjoy. The reason why it's outlawed is because of the people working there. Unlike people eating there who are being exposed to minor amounts of diluted smoke for a short period, people working there are constantly in that space and THAT is proven to be bad for their health. The rules are there to protect them, not people who find smoke an annoyance.
Yeah, it's not like people smoking inside would scare customers away from the restaurant at all... Haha I find what you wrote laughable. With a mother who is married to a man who works at a restaurant I can assure you that the reasons you stated isn't the only one.
You must be pretty ignorant to think that smoking inside restaurants wouldn't hurt their amount of customers, you're the one smoking here, I'm pretty sure you don't get to tell people what they're annoyed by vice versa. As a NON-smoker I can safely say that I wouldn't go to a restaurant that allows smoking inside.
Me and everyone I know who don't smoke get really frustrated when there are people smoking at places they shouldn't be or when they're able to smoke elsewhere. As a teen there are ALOT of people who smoke nearby all the time, we have a line which you need to be outside of to smoke at my school, yet nobody goes outside that line but chooses to smoke outside the school entrance instead. The school doesn't do anything to stop it because it's pointless, every time you tell them to stop they just come back.
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On March 13 2012 08:01 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 02:10 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 01:24 naggerNZ wrote:On March 07 2012 01:20 solidbebe wrote:On March 07 2012 01:16 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 01:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 01:00 Tobberoth wrote:On March 07 2012 00:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2012 00:40 Tobberoth wrote: [quote] If I'm sitting on a bench in a park and someone sits down next to me and start screaming in their cellphone about annoying shit, what do I do? I leave. He is allowed to sit there and talk, but it pisses me off, so I switch my location. What can you do in a similar situation with a smoker? Oh, how about the exact same thing?
The cause of the situations might be different, the solution is the same. And yet magically, people don't start to choke or develop cancer by merely sitting next to a jerk on a cellphone or a constant whistler. So I guess the analogy only stops at "People can be jerks" and it's not really a good analogy for the actual substances of what the people are doing, huh? So? There's 0 conclusive proof that passive smoking leads to cancer, so your argument is as paper thin as me saying the guy with the cellphone is 1) giving me cancer with his cellphones electromagnetic fields 2) ruining my hearing with his screaming 3) destroying my mental health with his annoying shit. If you dislike a situation, it's up to you to leave it. What are you talking about? There's 0 conclusive proof? American Cancer Society: http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke National Cancer Institute: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm Seriously, at least do a fucking Google search before you make such ridiculous claims. I know kindergarteners who know that cigarettes are bad for you x.x How do you not know this yet? And someone earlier had posted that we don't need to be reminded of the problems that cigarettes cause... jesus. And for what it's worth, if someone else intrudes into an environment and changes the atmosphere, they're the ones that should leave, because they're the ones screwing it up. I'm quite thankful that many places tell smokers to smoke outside the building. Do what you want with your own body, but leave me out of it. I shouldn't be the one who has to go away. I like how you missed a post one the previous page which covered this. "We reviewed the toxicologic, clinical, and epidemiologic evidence on the health effects of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). For each type of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke we have sought articles in the English language reporting studies of effects on human health. Formal criteria that stressed study design, quality of execution and generalizability of results were used to select 116 scientifically admissible reports from over 2,900 articles. We concluded that: (a) there is strong evidence of an association between residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and both respiratory illness and reduction of lung function, and also between maternal smoking and reduced birth weight; (b) the weight of evidence is compatible with an association between active maternal smoking during pregnancy and increased infant mortality, and also between residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (primarily spousal smoking) and the risk of lung cancer; (c) there is evidence consistent with a relationship between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace and respiratory symptoms, (d) the evidence is insufficient to implicate residential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke in relation to other forms of malignant disease or congenital malformations; (e) there is no evidence in the literature of an association between nonresidential exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and any form of cancer. Further studies are required to address the effects of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, especially nonresidential exposure, in carcinogenesis and as a risk factor for atherosclerosis. Further work is also needed to improve measurement of exposure in such studies and to assess the importance of confounding factors." Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Faculty of Medicine, McGill University. And no, you SHOULD be the one to leave. If I'm allowed to smoke a public place X, I'm allowed to smoke there. If you dislike it, you should be the one leaving, then you can go complain to the establishment, that's none of my business. No you shouldn't. If some idiot started being completely obnoxious in the middle of the street. Then HE would need to leave or stop. Not the people around him because it is legal for him to do so. Since when was smoking in your presence being obnoxious? When I smoke in public I stand away from other people and out of the path of passersby whenever I can. For someone to be affected by my smoking they would literally have to walk up and stand next to me. Every smoker that I know acts similarly. How is this being obnoxious? And we non-smokers thank you for being courteous- which exactly proves how some smokers could be annoying. Cigarette smoke affects the people around you, even if you don't think it causes medical issues. It causes- at the very least- trouble breathing and congestion and other discomfort for those nearby, and that's exactly why restaurants either have no smoking at all or smoking and no smoking sections. It's so we non-smokers don't have to worry about smokers sitting next to us. And you don't have to be actively smoking inches away from us either. Believe it or not, your breath and clothes smell like shit and make the environment less enjoyable- something that the restaurant obviously doesn't want to see. So thank you for being courteous, but others aren't always as respectful as you, and there are rules in place to make sure that everyone remains comfortable. That's actually not why smoking is outlawed in restaurants, at least not in Sweden. Smoking sections fix this issue without stopping smokers from doing what they enjoy. The reason why it's outlawed is because of the people working there. Unlike people eating there who are being exposed to minor amounts of diluted smoke for a short period, people working there are constantly in that space and THAT is proven to be bad for their health. The rules are there to protect them, not people who find smoke an annoyance. Yeah, it's not like people smoking inside would scare customers away from the restaurant at all... Haha I find what you wrote laughable. With a mother who is married to a man who works at a restaurant I can assure you that the reasons you stated isn't the only one. You must be pretty ignorant to think that smoking inside restaurants wouldn't hurt their amount of customers, you're the one smoking here, I'm pretty sure you don't get to tell people what they're annoyed by vice versa. As a NON-smoker I can safely say that I wouldn't go to a restaurant that allows smoking inside. Me and everyone I know who don't smoke get really frustrated when there are people smoking at places they shouldn't be or when they're able to smoke elsewhere. As a teen there are ALOT of people who smoke nearby all the time, we have a line which you need to be outside of to smoke at my school, yet nobody goes outside that line but chooses to smoke outside the school entrance instead. The school doesn't do anything to stop it because it's pointless, every time you tell them to stop they just come back. i dont think he siad that was the sole reason but just one of the reasons it was, possibly one of the main reasons
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On March 06 2012 23:01 naggerNZ wrote: Well, for me personally, I find it helps overcome a lot of social anxiety problems. I have difficulty interacting with people I don't know, and it can create problems in a working environment. However, I find that having a smoke with someone immediately overcomes this barrier. It acts as both an icebreaker and common ground. And given my line of work, I work with new people in stressful situations all the time (I'm a bouncer). Also, I find that it's a good excuse to take breaks. If I don't take regular smoke breaks sometimes I can work 8 hours non stop without a break in a hot, noisy bar/club. Not very good for your sanity.
Also, it's worth noting the biological effects of smoking. It's well understood that smoking releases beta-endorphins, which simulate feelings of satisfaction and accomplishment, something not everyone is lucky enough to get elsewhere.
Also, I like the taste and the buzz and it helps me get through the week. The interesting part is there are non or less-harmful (not to mention much cheaper), ways to accomplish those same "benefits."
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