the directors of the movie wanted it to make him "famous" not "infamous" even if that's what they really meant. Not sure why the mods had to change the title, must not have watched the film.
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emc
United States3088 Posts
the directors of the movie wanted it to make him "famous" not "infamous" even if that's what they really meant. Not sure why the mods had to change the title, must not have watched the film. | ||
Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:38 HawaiianPig wrote: Really? Do you honestly think that raising awareness of Kony's actions is a bad thing? There are two realities, here: One where Kony has actual power and is still a threat, and one where he isn't. In the first situation, awareness here is warranted. The guy is still a threat and is still capable of influencing and hurting others. But even if it is true that he has no power anymore: Do you think it's a good idea to leave this situation unresolved? Does it matter how far exactly his reach extends? Can we not still be indignant even if he impacts the world on a smaller scale than he used to? Do you think it's not worth raising these issues in the first place? That the third world, especially in Africa, is easily manipulated by those with the most firepower? Do you think it's not worth even knowing about? Did you know who Kony was before this? (If you did, the majority did not) Why not raise awareness for this and other issues on the back of a poster boy war criminal? Does it matter that the means used are a bit sensational? Would you have even heard about this guy had it not been sensationally presented in the first place? Or, should we sweep this all under the rug because you feel you're being manipulated by a video on the internet? Of all the things that use social media and sensationalism to fight for our attention, what is so egregiously wrong about this one? Those are very good points. The way the video is presented isn't the main issue; it's the message it's trying to get across. However, I have a slight problem with your second case presented. This seems to be saying that Kony is the mastermind in all of this, and the campaign is centered around him. It would make sense if he had a lot of power: stop him from using his power to do more damage. Makes sense. However, if he has no power, it makes much more sense to put a larger focus on the situation rather than the man who is already not a threat (I use this term for lack of a better one, of course he still has some degree of power, although not as great as in the past) | ||
Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:12 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: It's funny how everyone suddenly became a social activist over night because of this issue. 1. hear about issue 2. want to do something about it. Yep, really funny. | ||
ShamTao
United States419 Posts
I'd say that I support the movement in doing things that won't cost me money- notifying policymakers, famous people, etc. I'd say that we should be skeptical of handing over our cash so quickly. Here is a good article to read, and here is another good opinion piece. I think that this movement really is showcasing the power of social media, and I think victory over Kony, while maybe doing some minor good in some countries that have a lot to handle, will be something that puts more faith in more people that worthwhile messages can be spread. Also, the popularity has come with lots of good skepticism that can only inform people more. So, that's my take-home with this. | ||
LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:17 emc wrote: did the mods of the forum change the title of the thread? the directors of the movie wanted it to make him "famous" not "infamous" even if that's what they really meant. Not sure why the mods had to change the title, must not have watched the film. To be honest, this movement's rallying line of "make Kony famous" just annoys me so much. Making him "famous" implies a positive connotation, it sounds like they're trying to get Kony elected for 2012. | ||
Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
the petition for you guys to sign is here... if any of you are interested. | ||
CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:50 Bigtony wrote: 1. hear about issue 2. want to do something about it. Yep, really funny. It is funny, but not in a humorous way. People are acting as though "oh yes, posting this status and joining this group is going to aide in the prevention of child deaths in Africa!" They may want to do something about it, but many won't. And those who do, will just make the problem worse. Also, people hop on these slacktivist movements in a jiffy, but only if, ONLY if, it comes to them. Had someone written a message about Kony several days ago as a status, no one would give a shit. But now, oh now it's a chance to really show off your compassion! Yeah! Pisses me off, this phony benevolence. | ||
Douillos
France3195 Posts
First and foremost I haven't watched the video. I probably won't. It's not something new. The LRA has been around for a vey long time, and the atrocities perpetrated are nothing new. I'm not going to start some kind of a history lesson, even though I'm pretty sure a large number of you guys have just found out about this. Secondly, I think people judging the type of sensationalism used in the video (so I understand) have to be a little more pragmatic. Why do you think people who now jump on the "we gotta do something" train weren't aware beforehand? Because most people aren't interested by whats happening outside of their backyard. So in a way this is a good thing. People becoming aware (too late, of course) IS a good thing. You can feel pissed that the guy used basic methods to get the buzz, but hey don't blame him, blame the people around you for being self centred ignorant sheep who have to be delivered atrocities on a fuckin plate right in front of them to actuallly wake up and see what going on else where. There's not much to be added, unfortunately, as most people who even a minor sense of international lAw and the interests of a lot of countries in DRC, nothing will be done. And by the way, you can't go around behaving like a cop, people tend to get a bad image, and you usually fuck shit uP even worse (Iraq, Afghanistan, should be examples of why interventionism is a dangerous game). All I hope is maybe there is a small chance of people growing out the media enforced intellectual coma that's been going on for a long time; just maybe people will use the Internet again to inform themselves instead of spending time watching videos on Facebook. I think as a start you should all just type list of active conflicts and you will see that the world is not a civilised place and that kony s are everywhere. And if you want to do something, well get your fuckin act together and join a humanity association. Giving your money just to buy a conscience reminds me of the pay to get into heaven policy of the church in the middle ages here in euroPe. | ||
Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:04 CyDe wrote: It is funny, but not in a humorous way. People are acting as though "oh yes, posting this status and joining this group is going to aide in the prevention of child deaths in Africa!" They may want to do something about it, but many won't. And those who do, will just make the problem worse. Also, people hop on these slacktivist movements in a jiffy, but only if, ONLY if, it comes to them. Had someone written a message about Kony several days ago as a status, no one would give a shit. But now, oh now it's a chance to really show off your compassion! Yeah! Pisses me off, this phony benevolence. I really dont get all the hate for this moment. Some guy works for years to get attention and now he has sucsieded doing it on a larger scale. And fyi people clicking share and joining some groups in facebook does help as it increases the number of people on some page by 1. Silly to hate on them for getting overly proud for doing something little while still being too lazy of a person to ever put any real effort to make a bigger difference. Fact is that if they do the share thing and you dont, they do more GOOD for this cause than you do. The people you hate for being arrogant/hypocritic do more good for this cause than you do. | ||
OsoVega
926 Posts
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:52 OsoVega wrote: It seems, if you really want something done, the only rational course of action is to start/contribute to a fund putting a bounty on his head or hiring a mercenary company. Awareness alone doesn't do anything and Western countries getting involved militarily would be foolish and immoral. A fund putting a bounty on someone head? Hilarious. Yeah your right, and I got the men for the job. The expendables! Or maybe Rambo! | ||
DeadEyE X
United States23 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:44 Douillos wrote: I tend to not partipate in these threads, but I feel that there is a lot to be said about this matter. First and foremost I haven't watched the video. I probably won't. It's not something new. The LRA has been around for a vey long time, and the atrocities perpetrated are nothing new. I'm not going to start some kind of a history lesson, even though I'm pretty sure a large number of you guys have just found out about this. Secondly, I think people judging the type of sensationalism used in the video (so I understand) have to be a little more pragmatic. Why do you think people who now jump on the "we gotta do something" train weren't aware beforehand? Because most people aren't interested by whats happening outside of their backyard. So in a way this is a good thing. People becoming aware (too late, of course) IS a good thing. You can feel pissed that the guy used basic methods to get the buzz, but hey don't blame him, blame the people around you for being self centred ignorant sheep who have to be delivered atrocities on a fuckin plate right in front of them to actuallly wake up and see what going on else where. There's not much to be added, unfortunately, as most people who even a minor sense of international lAw and the interests of a lot of countries in DRC, nothing will be done. And by the way, you can't go around behaving like a cop, people tend to get a bad image, and you usually fuck shit uP even worse (Iraq, Afghanistan, should be examples of why interventionism is a dangerous game). All I hope is maybe there is a small chance of people growing out the media enforced intellectual coma that's been going on for a long time; just maybe people will use the Internet again to inform themselves instead of spending time watching videos on Facebook. I think as a start you should all just type list of active conflicts and you will see that the world is not a civilised place and that kony s are everywhere. And if you want to do something, well get your fuckin act together and join a humanity association. Giving your money just to buy a conscience reminds me of the pay to get into heaven policy of the church in the middle ages here in euroPe. Your attitude makes me so, so sad. You mention there's not much to be added, then add a full wall of text flaming a video you haven't seen. Cynicism could go right along with complacency my friend, regardless if you knew about LRA before this or not, this goes to show that people do care about issues when they're informed. To bash a culture based around social media, well I'm not so sure that needs to be addressed in this thread. I also think playing "cop" in a country such as afghanistan or iraq is a little different than targeting a non-backed regime that takes advantage of children. I'm not sure though, maybe I don't understand your logic and you're making all sort of sense in your world. There are certainly other bad people in the world, but to make a statement that kony's are everywhere is humorous. I knew about this movement beforehand, and I continue to support them. Kony certainly doesn't hold the power he once did, but he is still out there and someone who has crimes as autrocious as these should be punished. | ||
DeadEyE X
United States23 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:54 InFdude wrote: I actually already made a negative post earlier but after reading this thread I'm damn sure the negativity was justified.I thought I was being manipulated and if even half the things in this thread are true than yes I am.First off this Kony guys is just 1 of many AND from the looks of it he doesn't have any influence now.Also some guy pointed out the organisation is making MILLIONS out of the donations and a huge % of those donations isn't going for the cause.And even if he still was relative it's still a stupid campaign.Even if somehow you get people to go assasinate him so what?Nothing will change, another guy will take over. Should we do nothing about it? Well imo no,not nothing about anything, but nothing about this particular case. I can think of way better ways of spending 8 million$ than spamming posters all over the world of a guy who has no power. After looking at it more and more the maker of the video is starting to look like a bigger and bigger douche to me not to mention a fraud. Please look at their financials... so many people using this argument when they clearly haven't researched it themselves, congrats. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I am not defending this organization outright, but to be honest, it does not make sense for 90% of their fundraising to go straight to Africa programs. Why? Because they know with the previous level of awareness, it would not nearly be enough. Thus for the long-term goal, they probably strategically allocated their funds for more awareness, so they could then raise enough money to make a legitimate impact. It makes sense from my uninformed perspective. As far as the critics go, they do respond to a lot of them on their new updated website. Whether you believe it or not is up to you: http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html | ||
DNB
Finland995 Posts
Look, there are more than plenty of videos where things are explained from a more neutral viewpoint, but weirdly they don't get the fame. In order to raise the maximum amount of awareness for the issue, the video must cater to the viewers' emotions, because that's just how most people roll. I love Teamliquid, but the so ground-down cynical viewpoints from several users on almost every issue make me sad. I personally find it awesome that people are doing this campaign out of their own initiative, but seems like we can never get rid of these indignant armchair commanders that feel entitled to criticize everything. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
If you want some cool documentaries and journalism the way it should be done (Not stuff on Kim Kardashian and other shit that doesn't matter in the least) should check out Vice. They've got documentaries on the Congo, North Korea, Libya, Krokodil (which is FUCKED if you haven't heard about that), etc. If only actual news went as balls out on stuff. | ||
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On March 07 2012 03:48 Kuja wrote: You know whats funny and what most people wont realize? This was filmed in 2003 when this was actually a problem. The problem with Uganda right now is not Kony its the corrupt government. the LRA was beaten back into congo in 2004; and has repeatedly been beaten back sense. Inviable Children is TOO LATE. The problem with night commuting is no longer a problem. At its hight 40,000 children were night commuting but now there are only 10,000 who do it by choice. Uganda still has tons of problems, but it is NOT KONY. the invisible children do not even send 50% of their revenue to Africa, the make about $9million in donations and send over $3million; don’t donate through invisible children find a real non profit organization that actually helps people if you want to help africa. SOURCE + Show Spoiler + People will eat all the crap they are fed these days. + Show Spoiler + THIS IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM, ITS 13 YEAR OLD NEWS, UGANDA IS NOT THREATENED BY KONY ANYMORE. Have you seen the video? They even say in the video that Kony moved out of Uganda... The problem is that children who were taken by him are still doing the treacherous things that Kony got them to do. Perhaps he even has a mini little hierarchy of kid soldiers that are making the other kids continue, but either way, the minds of those kids are fucked, and it's because of Kony. Now Kony is in another country, but he's basically doing the same thing. The aid that was being sent to Uganda is mostly in the form of assistance, they are not sending anything to influential. They are trying to help stabilize the region, and the original intent was to save the children of Uganda. That's what the original mission was, and that's what is still being sought now. The Kony 2012 movement is a movement to get rid of that individual, because he is a criminal and people want him to be brought to justice, but your claims of this not being a problem anymore, the Invisible Children are TOO LATE, etc, are totally unfounded and invalid. As for the donation money, idk if you realize this, but the organization flies people from Uganda to the state, to Europe, to all over the world in their mission. They pay graphic designers and video editors to give their advertisements high production value, and they spend a lot of money spreading their word. If you think that they are doing everything all out of their own pocket, then you're an idiot. They are not a non-profit organization per-say, but they are a volunteer organization that is fighting for a cause, and not for self gain (at least not THAT much self gain, you try to put it off as them stealing $6 million dollars, but they probably bought themselves a car, paid for their temporary housing, and travel feeds etc). Don't be an idiot. If you're educated about the situation in Uganda, but not educated about anything else, then don't pretend like you know everything. This is still a problem, Uganda still needs to be liberated from the terrorist children and the last of the LRA influence, Kony still needs to be captured, and lives still need to be saved. As the US government is doing though, aid needs to be provided, but actual international military action should not be taken (all as stated in the video, and is fact). | ||
MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
I haven't seen this posted yet, and I thought it was well written and brought up a few good points. The semantic nitpicking of word choice is unnecessary imo, but all of the other points are pretty good to consider. The main points for those who won't read:
Worth reading and worth thinking about. | ||
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