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On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities).
because there is no oil in africa
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On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa
No, they are rebels because it is akin to a civil dispute over the control of the country. It is not the content of the acts but their context that determins this.
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On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa
"no oil in africa"
LOL
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Stop raising awareness for this scam of a organisation. Do some research.
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well except libya and nigeria ... theres is no major oil producing country in africa ( and didint we went in libya a couple months ago )and nigeria has huge reserve but little developpement I was over simplifying the fact that us/eu has no real gain from going there
edit :meh i suck with quotes
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On March 08 2012 15:44 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 15:04 CyDe wrote:On March 08 2012 14:50 Bigtony wrote:On March 08 2012 14:12 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: It's funny how everyone suddenly became a social activist over night because of this issue. 1. hear about issue 2. want to do something about it. Yep, really funny. It is funny, but not in a humorous way. People are acting as though "oh yes, posting this status and joining this group is going to aide in the prevention of child deaths in Africa!" They may want to do something about it, but many won't. And those who do, will just make the problem worse. Also, people hop on these slacktivist movements in a jiffy, but only if, ONLY if, it comes to them. Had someone written a message about Kony several days ago as a status, no one would give a shit. But now, oh now it's a chance to really show off your compassion! Yeah! Pisses me off, this phony benevolence. I really dont get all the hate for this moment. Some guy works for years to get attention and now he has sucsieded doing it on a larger scale. And fyi people clicking share and joining some groups in facebook does help as it increases the number of people on some page by 1. Silly to hate on them for getting overly proud for doing something little while still being too lazy of a person to ever put any real effort to make a bigger difference. Fact is that if they do the share thing and you dont, they do more GOOD for this cause than you do. The people you hate for being arrogant/hypocritic do more good for this cause than you do.
No they are not. Doing nothing BUT CLICKING A BUTTON is still doing nothing. And the thing is they will never help. They are doing this for their self image. They won't ever help, and chances are neither will I. At least I don't lie to myself and everybody else, pretending as though these groups change shit.
And as for the guy working so hard for this moment, yeah I'm sure he did. Just look at all the money he put into making these movies (LOL). Yep, so now he sits on 90k a year, FOR PERSONAL USE, from donations. In a so-called non-profit organization. That is called taking advantage of a situation. And it's despicable and not worthy of praise.
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Wow that video was just so ridiculous I couldn't watch it more than 2 minutes. The voice, the music just everything combined.
*PUKE*
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On March 09 2012 00:00 Epoch wrote: Stop raising awareness for this scam of a organisation. Do some research. why dont you xplain?
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On March 09 2012 01:08 borlee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:00 Epoch wrote: Stop raising awareness for this scam of a organisation. Do some research. why dont you xplain? You could've scanned the thread it's in there multiple times.
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
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Doing your own research is a great idea. Calling the organization a scam is short-sighted. There is ambiguity regarding the legitimacy of many charitable organizations, but a "scam of an organization" is implying that these people are taking money and running for the border, not spending too much on film-making and office rent.
There's a lot more to charity than the % that is spent directly on aid. I'm not claiming VC a great organization because I don't have that information yet. But I don't think we have the information to call them a scam either.
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The general verdict seems to be: Invisible Children and its profitering top trio should be synonyms of Gordon Gekko before the drums settle down.
Absolutely noone will say that its not horrible things happening over there, but fixing it with more guns & weapons? Giving more power to a 'regime' that uses child soldiers and rape but happens to be on our "side"? Get another couple Million in donations to make another dramatic movie using tortured children and raped women to rake in more donations at 68% going to adminstration fees(Pay, Dollas, Hot Jazzusis) for the top of the IC organization and only 32% coming anywhere near Uganda? Name and shame this organization to the ground is my current standpoint. There are far better ones that are worth your money.
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On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa There are many many things better and more valuable than oil in africa. Also it is difficult to 'help' africa since a lot of organisation will keep money and the money that pass through will simply go in the pocket of a leader.
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I generally don't support organizations whose main goal is to "spread awareness".
I support organizations who main goal is to funnel money into actually providing services ("services" not being documentaries).
There are enough ways for documentary filmmakers to make money nowadays. My charity donations will not be one of them.
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Just watched the entire thing. Fucking inspiring. You got every bit of my support.
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On March 09 2012 01:32 Ceril wrote: Get another couple Million in donations to make another dramatic movie using tortured children and raped women to rake in more donations at 68% going to adminstration fees(Pay, Dollas, Hot Jazzusis) for the top of the IC organization and only 32% coming anywhere near Uganda?
Invisible Children is primarily an awareness raising and lobbying charity. Admin here includes the filming, travel and distribution costs. This is quite a typical spread of funds for this type of charity and to claim that it indicates them profiteering indicates either dishonesty or ignorance on your part.
I have done volunteer work with an NGO which had phases in which it was aimed at raising awareness of the situation in Burma and phases when it was focused on getting work done on the ground there. It is normal for such high admin costs to exist in an awareness campaign.
*Not going to comment on Invisible Children and its admin in general, except to say I oppose a military intervention and support Kony being brought to justice as I have since I heard about him years ago.
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On March 09 2012 02:16 ODKStevez wrote: Just watched the entire thing. Fucking inspiring. You got every bit of my support.
Or instead, you could take some time to think about the legitness of this all. Instead of impulse reacting to this video which is meant to make you do exactly that.
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On March 09 2012 02:37 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:16 ODKStevez wrote: Just watched the entire thing. Fucking inspiring. You got every bit of my support. Or instead, you could take some time to think about the legitness of this all. Instead of impulse reacting to this video which is meant to make you do exactly that.
that's the new generation, they repost everything and anything without ever informing a minimum. They might have a look at this http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble.
We can do the same with Bush, 1,400,000 Iraqi civils was killed.
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On March 07 2012 09:54 ClanRH.TV wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 07:41 mememolly wrote: The thing is, this dude and his kid probably pass homeless guys on the street everyday and do nothing, maybe give them some change but nothing major. The reason they have taken on this Kony guy is because it is sexy, it is grand and exciting, it gives their life meaning, they wouldn't get headlines or sexy african locations if they were to give homeless dudes a bath and some food and a bed for the night. "Causes" like this are never about helping anyone, not primarily anyway, it is always about the desires (and the satisfaction of those desires) of the person behind the "cause."
Don't get me wrong the Kony guy is contemptible and deserves taking down but the american dude is just as contemptible imo, but for other reasons. Honestly, I don't get that feeling even one bit. I think that your entire statement above is one of the most selfish, maybe even jealous things I've ever heard. I hope to God you don't actually believe the garbage you just spewed into this thread. This man clearly cares about the well-being of the people he's fighting for and to even attempt to discredit all the good things he's done to help these people would be nothing more than craziness. If you have to try and justify his kindness in these terms it goes to show that you must be seriously lacking in compassion of your own. Your statement makes me sick.
I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying, but I think it does have some merit. At least it is a point of view in ethics which has some support. I suppose if you belong to a different philosophical group in the world of ethics, it might make you sick to hear the point of view of somebody else. I think you should be more accepting of other viewpoints instead of just getting sick when you hear somebody with a different ethical theory from yours.
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On March 07 2012 16:54 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:52 Sinensis wrote:On March 07 2012 16:38 HawaiianPig wrote:On March 07 2012 16:24 Kuja wrote:On March 07 2012 16:22 johnnywup wrote:On March 07 2012 16:08 HawaiianPig wrote:On March 07 2012 15:55 Sinensis wrote: The video I just watched feels like it was made to manipulate me, not inform me. Joseph Kony sounds like a despicable person... but that video was shit and makes me not want to donate to their cause. Ask yourself what you think you're being manipulated into... ...to encourage you to spread awareness of a war criminal? Or, perhaps in your case, to further inform yourself on the subject as a result of your skepticism? I think understand your reaction. These attention grabbing tactics are generally used by alarmist groups to spread misinformation. Like, the kind of dramatic voice-overs and music in political attack ads. But what happens when a group uses these very effective attention grabbing tactics to raise awareness for something that isn't unscrupulous? Seriously, take a second and ask yourself: What are you being manipulated into thinking? that this is an issue. kony has no power anymore and this whole campaign is a marketing scheme imo. theres no point in hunting down someone who has no power. they make it sound like this is happening today, which it isnt you win the thread. Really? Do you honestly think that raising awareness of Kony's actions is a bad thing? There are two realities, here: One where Kony has actual power and is still a threat, and one where he isn't. In the first situation, awareness here is warranted. The guy is still a threat and is still capable of influencing and hurting others. But even if it is true that he has no power anymore: Do you think it's a good idea to leave this situation unresolved? Does it matter how far exactly his reach extends? Can we not still be indignant even if he impacts the world on a smaller scale than he used to? Do you think it's not worth raising these issues in the first place? That the third world, especially in Africa, is easily manipulated by those with the most firepower? Do you think it's not worth even knowing about? Did you know who Kony was before this? (If you did, the majority did not) Why not raise awareness for this and other issues on the back of a poster boy war criminal? Does it matter that the means used are a bit sensational? Would you have even heard about this guy had it not been sensationally presented in the first place? Or, should we sweep this all under the rug because you feel you're being manipulated by a video on the internet?Of all the things that use social media and sensationalism to fight for our attention, what is so egregiously wrong about this one? SENSATIONALISM IS BAD. Period. Anyone who uses it is a con and anyone who eats it up is an imbecile. You want to know how to present material without soundling like sensationalist, manipulative, garbage? I present to you: + Show Spoiler +Bob Ross communicating how to paint mountains without sensationalism but still being effective: Here is Fred Rogers in a non-sensationalist interview: And here is a clip of David Attenborough's where he describes a Venus Fly Trap factually and unsensationally. What all of these videos have in common is that I love all three of these men, and none of them use sensationalism to educate. Educating and raising awareness are two different things. This is the world you live in. #stopkony is trending on twitter. Attenborough is not.
People rape and murder and mutilate. This is the world you live in. Does that mean we should lay back and accept it?
Edit: I would also argue that educating and raising awareness should NOT be two different things.
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