I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
But that's exactly what he meant. Why are you so sure he does use abduction to recruit or use child soldiers and other abominations? Stuff like this happens in every damn war! So it surely happens sometimes but on a small scale, just like in any war. When you fight a war, this is unavoidable.
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
But that's exactly what he meant. Why are you so sure he does use abduction to recruit or use child soldiers and other abominations? Stuff like this happens in every damn war! So it surely happens sometimes but on a small scale, just like in any war. When you fight a war, this is unavoidable.
I do not remember seeing any 10 year old Americans fighting in the afghan war because they were told to do that or else get killed or mutilated.
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
But that's exactly what he meant. Why are you so sure he does use abduction to recruit or use child soldiers and other abominations? Stuff like this happens in every damn war! So it surely happens sometimes but on a small scale, just like in any war. When you fight a war, this is unavoidable.
I do not remember seeing any 10 year old Americans fighting in the afghan war because they were told to do that or else get killed or mutilated.
Are you seriously comparing Afghan war to this, not to mention using American kids turning into child soldiers as analogy to Ugandan kids being turned into rebels?
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
But that's exactly what he meant. Why are you so sure he does use abduction to recruit or use child soldiers and other abominations? Stuff like this happens in every damn war! So it surely happens sometimes but on a small scale, just like in any war. When you fight a war, this is unavoidable.
I do not remember seeing any 10 year old Americans fighting in the afghan war because they were told to do that or else get killed or mutilated.
On March 09 2012 17:14 TehPrime wrote: I don't trust this whole KONY 2012. I know it's intended to be a good cause to save kids, but exactly who is lying here? How the hell do we know if Joseph Kony is really what they say who he is? Why is there a lack of information on this guy when the world government is trying to convict this guy? All I found out is that he became a freedom fighter because he despise the current Ugandan government. Sounds like any other freedom fighters/rebels around the world to me.
Donating without knowing what is truly going on is stupid, especially when the money doesnt help the cause....anyways Im still waiting for more information on what is really going on. It seems like all the KONY stuffs we've been hearing were spoon-fed propaganda by Ugandan government.
Except that real freedom fighters don't use abduction to recruit, use child soldiers, force children to kill their families, or reward comrades with child sex slaves. Kony does. Real freedom fighters aim their attacks against their enemies not civilians.
Survivor testimony and the testimony of groups like the Red Cross are not property of the Ugandan government.
The Ugandan government is highly flawed and commits gross violations of human rights on a regular basis. They are incredibly homophobic and deserve international censure for their actions againts homosexuals in Uganda. Unfortunately, the sheer horror the LRA has inflicted on large regions of the country mean that focus has to go to rebuilding devastated regions that might otherwise go towards bringing Uganda as a whole into a new era of civil rights.
But that's exactly what he meant. Why are you so sure he does use abduction to recruit or use child soldiers and other abominations? Stuff like this happens in every damn war! So it surely happens sometimes but on a small scale, just like in any war. When you fight a war, this is unavoidable.
I do not remember seeing any 10 year old Americans fighting in the afghan war because they were told to do that or else get killed or mutilated.
You got that the wrong way around. What you will see is Afghan children fighting even without threat of mutilation and death. Not as many as in Africa, but yeah.
After being bombarded with your KONY 2012 crusade, I have no choice but to respond to your highly inaccurate, offensive, and harmful propaganda. I realized I had to respond in hopes of stopping you before you cause more violence and deaths to the Acholi people (Northern Ugandans), the very people you are claiming to protect.
Firstly, I would like to question your timing of this KONY 2012 crusade in Uganda when most of the violence from Joseph Kony and the LRA (The Lord's Resistance Army) has subsided in Uganda in the past 5 years. The LRA has moved onto neighboring countries like the DRC and Sudan. Why are you not urging action in the countries he is currently in? Why are you worried about Kony all of a sudden when Ugandans are not at this present moment?
This grossly illogical timing and statements on your website such as "Click here to buy your KONY 2012 products" makes me believe that the timing has more to do with your commercial interests than humanitarian interests. With the upcoming U.S. presidential elections and the waning interest in Invisible Children, it seems to be perfect timing to start a crusade. I also must add at this point how much it personally disgusts me the way in which you have commercialized a conflict in which thousands of people have died.
Secondly, I would like to address the highly inaccurate content of your video. Your video did not leave the viewer any more knowledgeable about the conflict in Uganda, but only emotionally assaulted. I could not help but notice how conveniently one-sided the "explanation" in your video was. There was absolutely no mention of the role of the Ugandan government and military in the conflict. Let alone the role of the U.S. government and military. The only information given is "KONY MUST BE STOPPED."
I would like to inform you that stopping Kony would not end the conflict. (It is correctly pronounced "Kohn" by the way). This conflict is deeply embedded in Uganda's history that neither starts nor ends with Kony. Therefore, your solution to the problem is flawed. There is no way to know the solution, without full knowledge of the problem itself. We must act on knowledge, not emotions.
Joseph Kony formed the LRA in retaliation to the brutality of President Museveni (from the south) committing mass atrocities on the Acholi people (from the north) when President Museveni came to power in 1986. This follows a long history of Ugandan politics that can be traced back to pre-colonial times. The conflict must be contextualized within this history. (If you want to have this proper knowledge, I suggest you start by working with scholars, not celebrities). President Museveni is still in power and in his reign of 26 years he has arguably killed as many, if not more Acholi people, than Joseph Kony. Why is President Museveni not demonized, let alone mentioned? I would like to give you more credit than just ignorance. I have three guesses. One is that Invisible Children has close ties with the Ugandan government and military, which it has been accused of many times. Second, is that you are willing to fight Kony, but not the U.S. Government, which openly supports President Museveni. Third, is that Invisible Children feels the need to reduce the conflict to better commercialize it.
This brings me to my third issue, the highly offensive nature of your video. Firstly, it is offensive to your viewer. The scene with your "explanation" of the conflict to your toddler son suggests that the viewers have the mental capacity of a toddler and can only handle information given in such a reductionist manner. I would like to think American teenagers and young adults (which is clearly your target audience) are smarter than your toddler son. I would hope that we are able to realize that it is not a "Star Wars" game with aliens and robots in some far off galaxy as your son suggests, but a real world conflict with real world people in Uganda. This is a real life conflict with real life consequences.
Secondly, and more importantly, it is offensive to Ugandans. The very name "Invisible Children" is offensive. You claim you make the invisible, visible. The statements, "We have seen these kids." and "No one knew about these kids." are part of your slogan. You seem to be strongly hinting that you somehow have validated and found these kids and their struggles.
Whether you see them or not, they were always there. Your having seen the kids does not validate their existence in any shape or form or bring it any more significance. You say "no one" knew about the kids. What about the kids themselves? What about the families of the kids who were killed and abducted? Are they "no one?" Are they not human?
These children are not invisible, you are making them invisible by silencing, dehumanizing, marketing, and invalidating them.
Last year I went to Gulu, Uganda, where Invisible Children is based, and interviewed over 50 locals. Every single person questioned Invisible Children's legitimacy and intention. Every single person. If anything, it seemed the people saw Invisible Children as a bigger threat than Joseph Kony at the time. Why is it the very people you are trying to "help" feel more offense than relief with your aid?
"They come here to make money and use us."
"It makes us feel terrible to be presented as being so stupid and helpless."
These are direct quotes. This was the sentiment of the majority of the people that I interviewed in varying degrees. I definitely didn't see or hear these voices or opinions in your video. If you are to be "saving" the Acholi people, the very least you can be doing is holding yourself accountable to them and actually listening to what they have to say.
This offensive, inaccurate misconstruction of Ugandans and its conflict makes me wonder what and whom this is really about. It seems that you feel very good about yourself being a savior, a Luke Skywalker of sorts, and same with the girl in your video who passionately states, "This is what defines us". Therefore, I can't help but wonder if Invisible Children is more about defining the American do-gooders (and making them feel good), rather than the Ugandans; profiteering the American military and corporations (which Invisible Children is officially and legally) than the conflict.
Lastly, I would like to address the harmful nature of your propaganda. I believe your actions will actually bring back the fighting in Northern Uganda. You are not asking for peace, but violence. The fighting has stopped in the past 5 years and the Acholi are finally enjoying some peace. You will be inviting the LRA and the fighting back into Uganda and disturbing this peace. The last time Invisible Children got politically involved and began lobbying it actually caused more violence and deaths. I beg you not to do it again.
If you open your eyes and see the actions of the Ugandan government and the U.S. government, you will see why. Why is it that suddenly in October of 2011 when there has been relative peace in Uganda for 4 years, President Obama decided to send troops into Uganda? Why is it that the U.S. military is so involved with AFRICOM, which has been pervading African countries, including Uganda? Why is it that U.S. has been traced to creating the very weapons that has been used in the violence? The U.S. is entering Uganda and other countries in Africa not to stop violence, but to create a new battlefield.
In your video you urge that the first course of action is that the Ugandan military needs American military and weapons. You are giving weapons to the very people who were killing the Acholi people in the first place. You are helping to open the grounds for America to make Uganda into a battlefield in which it can profit and gain power. Please recognize this is all part of a bigger military movement, not a humanitarian movement. This will cause deaths, not save lives. This will be doing more harm, than good.
You end your video with saying, "I will stop at nothing". If nothing else, will you not stop for the lives of the Acholi people? Haven't enough Acholi people suffered in the violence between the LRA and the Ugandan government? Our alliance should not be with the U.S. government or the Ugandan military or the LRA, but the Acholi people. There is a Ugandan saying that goes, "The grass will always suffer when two elephants fight." Isn't it time we let the grass grow?
Everyone should research the cause they decide to support or fund they decide to donate to before actually doing it. Its the smart thing to do, especially once you learn how to spot types of propaganda and learn to control your emotions.
lol , there is no way we can spread the message without any celebrity help and i am worried about usa action, each action they made is so intelligence that is so hard to spot.
Is there nothing the conspiracy freaks can't shit all over?
I knew about Kony before the campaign (hipster glasses) and despite the perhaps lacking non-profit group, I was glad that there was some press on the matter.
Deep down I knew there would be people like Pika Chu in this topic. He has been vomiting his worldview over several topics for a while now. His vile worldview consists of little more than justifying anything as long as the perpetrators are not white Americans.
I knew they would come and piss over the graves of children, yet it seems to be no less offensive now that they are doing it.
Don't trust them when they ask for proof. Don't humor them. They don't give a shit. You can give them hundreds of pages of well documented evidence and they will not accept it, because it doesn't fit in their perception of how the world works.
Kony and his ilk are an enemy to each person with a conscience. That is why he is a friend to Pika Chu and other conspiracy nuts like him.
On March 09 2012 19:09 zalz wrote: Is there nothing the conspiracy freaks can't shit all over?
I knew about Kony before the campaign (hipster glasses) and despite the perhaps lacking non-profit group, I was glad that there was some press on the matter.
Deep down I knew there would be people like Pika Chu in this topic. He has been vomiting his worldview over several topics for a while now. His vile worldview consists of little more than justifying anything as long as the perpetrators are not white Americans.
I knew they would come and piss over the graves of children, yet it seems to be no less offensive now that they are doing it.
Don't trust them when they ask for proof. Don't humor them. They don't give a shit. You can give them hundreds of pages of well documented evidence and they will not accept it, because it doesn't fit in their perception of how the world works.
Kony and his ilk are an enemy to each person with a conscience. That is why he is a friend to Pika Chu and other conspiracy nuts like him.
Conspiracy nuts? I beg your pardon, i'm only managing to note the obvious, which you clearly aren't.
I take your post as complete ad hominem, utter bullshit because you actually have no arguments and cannot hold a discussion which contains any views other than those you have.
And keep your hipster glasses on so we can spot you more easily, mister i wanna do good for the world so i support any military action of the west which has a thin emotional pretext.
And definitely Kony's my best friend, just as any cold blooded murderer, war monger (incredible irony that i spoke against george bush jr, i must've been faking it), rapist are my friends and i must be some kind of terrorist too because my views don't go with the mainstream western media flow.
On March 09 2012 19:09 zalz wrote: Is there nothing the conspiracy freaks can't shit all over?
I knew about Kony before the campaign (hipster glasses) and despite the perhaps lacking non-profit group, I was glad that there was some press on the matter.
Deep down I knew there would be people like Pika Chu in this topic. He has been vomiting his worldview over several topics for a while now. His vile worldview consists of little more than justifying anything as long as the perpetrators are not white Americans.
I knew they would come and piss over the graves of children, yet it seems to be no less offensive now that they are doing it.
Don't trust them when they ask for proof. Don't humor them. They don't give a shit. You can give them hundreds of pages of well documented evidence and they will not accept it, because it doesn't fit in their perception of how the world works.
Kony and his ilk are an enemy to each person with a conscience. That is why he is a friend to Pika Chu and other conspiracy nuts like him.
You could say exactly the same thing about the people who blindly accept whatever big 'benevolent' movements like these without going and looking for more evidence on their own. At least the so-called conspiracy theorists are doing research, more than most can say.
On March 09 2012 22:03 Pika Chu wrote: Conspiracy nuts? I beg your pardon, i'm only managing to note the obvious, which you clearly aren't.
The obvious. Clearly not so obvious considering only you and a handfull of like minded (or absence thereof) manage to "spot" it.
But it must be "obvious" because there is certainly no evidence to suggest any of your insane claims. Rather, all the evidence points towards the opposite. Kony is guilty, he is overwhelmingly guilty.
I take your post as complete ad hominem, utter bullshit because you actually have no arguments and cannot hold a discussion which contains any views other than those you have.
You make crazy claims without any real evidence. I reject your ridiculous claims for they have no evidence.
You have no content to attack, so only your person remains. Without evidence or content to attack, what else can I do but attack your person? Or your lack of any morality?
It is sad that you cry more when someone attacks your sickening defense of child soldiers then you do for the victims that die. Thousands of children are dead, and what are they to you? Nothing but things to laugh at as you defend the man that enabled their murder. For what? Only because he isn't American. Because in your world, America is the sole source of all evil in the world.
And keep your hipster glasses on so we can spot you more easily, mister i wanna do good for the world so i support any military action of the west which has a thin emotional pretext.
You would call child soldiers and various other atrocities and violations of basic human rights "thin emotional pretext."
You make light of these people's struggle, only because the criminal is black? Because the man that causes their horrors is black, their plight is reduced to a "thin emotional pretext"?
You seem outraged at my accusation that you have no morality, but you are doing a poor job of convincing anyone otherwise.
And definitely Kony's my best friend, just as any cold blooded murderer, war monger (incredible irony that i spoke against george bush jr, i must've been faking it), rapist are my friends and i must be some kind of terrorist too because my views don't go with the mainstream western media flow.
Of course you spoke out against George Bush.
He was white, he was American. Those are the criteria upon which you judge a persons morality.
If a non-American black person commits an atrocity such as Kony has, you rush to the man's defense. You scream that there is no evidence (even though there is more than you will ever bother to read) and when presented with evidence, you will scream that it is fake, it is propaganda and that poor Kony is a victim, a scapegoat.
You are defending child soldiering, torture, rape, oppression, and for what? Only because the man isn't American? What man would scoff at these people's suffering and pain, only because their tormentor has a black skin and was born on a different piece of dirt? No man at all.
You lack any ability to self-reflect, so you will keep repeating that you opposse the concept of child soldiers, all the while defending the practice and people that enable it. You are a hypocrite, but lacking the ability to see it.
You have defended countless atrocities in your dellusion, but this is by far the worst that you have decided to support. My god man, you are defending a man who is most obviously guilty of using child soldiers. Yet this fact does not even cause you to pause and reflect.
On March 09 2012 19:09 zalz wrote: Is there nothing the conspiracy freaks can't shit all over?
I knew about Kony before the campaign (hipster glasses) and despite the perhaps lacking non-profit group, I was glad that there was some press on the matter.
Deep down I knew there would be people like Pika Chu in this topic. He has been vomiting his worldview over several topics for a while now. His vile worldview consists of little more than justifying anything as long as the perpetrators are not white Americans.
I knew they would come and piss over the graves of children, yet it seems to be no less offensive now that they are doing it.
Don't trust them when they ask for proof. Don't humor them. They don't give a shit. You can give them hundreds of pages of well documented evidence and they will not accept it, because it doesn't fit in their perception of how the world works.
Kony and his ilk are an enemy to each person with a conscience. That is why he is a friend to Pika Chu and other conspiracy nuts like him.
You could say exactly the same thing about the people who blindly accept whatever big 'benevolent' movements like these without going and looking for more evidence on their own. At least the so-called conspiracy theorists are doing research, more than most can say.
They are not doing any research.
They simply scream that Kony is innocent. Why? Because America dislikes him, and anyone that America dislikes is their champion.
If they actually did even as little as a google search they could find the endless list of valid researches that shows the extent of the atrocities committed by Kony and his troops.
Its a misleading cause especially when most of the donations go to their bank accounts and 30% goes to the actual cause. Manipulative tactics to deceive people into giving them money. Seems like their main cause is to fund themselves.