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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
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liberal
1116 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:20 Jaso wrote: Lol I don't really feel like you should be complaining.. people in the US pay easily upwards of $40k a year to go to college >< People act like they are forced to pay that much. They pay that much because they WANT TO/are convinced it will make their lives better. I got an AA degree and it didn't cost me one penny. Government covered 100% of the cost. I'm working toward my bachelor's now, and I pay less than $15k a year. It's honestly not unreasonable at all. What's unreasonable is people going into insane amounts of debt because they're convinced it will assure them better pay for life. Employers pay for skills, not for degrees. | ||
ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:28 liberal wrote: People act like they are forced to pay that much. They pay that much because they WANT TO/are convinced it will make their lives better. I got an AA degree and it didn't cost me one penny. Government covered 100% of the cost. I'm working toward my bachelor's now, and I pay less than $15k a year. It's honestly not unreasonable at all. What's unreasonable is people going into insane amounts of debt because they're convinced it will assure them better pay for life. Employers pay for skills, not for degrees. From what I've seen, they do in fact pay for degrees. | ||
Szordrin
Switzerland151 Posts
edit: see above me... Otherwise you could read some pretty good books, go to KhanAcademy and whatnot and get some sort of useful education almost for free. But since there is no sign which says where u were and what exactly you did it won't help you getting a job at all... (although it may help you in the job once u get it...) In fact you pay tons of money to improve your chances to get a decent job. Nice system... | ||
liberal
1116 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:29 ThaZenith wrote: From what I've seen, they do in fact pay for degrees. That's not what I've seen. I know two computer programmer's who don't even have a degree and make very good income. | ||
sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
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colate
Norway121 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:32 liberal wrote: That's not what I've seen. I know two computer programmer's who don't even have a degree and make very good income. There is a difference between what you can learn on your own and what you can learn on universities/college. Different fields have different requirements for what it takes to be employed. | ||
Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:32 liberal wrote: That's not what I've seen. I know two computer programmer's who don't even have a degree and make very good income. and i know two computer programers making 85k a year at 22. but they went to Berkeley. also the kid at 22 whos making 100k+ is a investment banker. He got the job because he went to berkeley business school, not some no name JC . The name on your degree matters my friend, it matters a lot | ||
2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
I do believe that education is important and it should be accessible to everyone. | ||
Jonas :)
United States511 Posts
Granted, I think that $50,000/year to go to many of the US's top schools are insane, but I mean around half of the students attending these schools receive at least some kind of financial aid... | ||
Ercster
United States603 Posts
On March 14 2012 09:28 liberal wrote: People act like they are forced to pay that much. They pay that much because they WANT TO/are convinced it will make their lives better. I got an AA degree and it didn't cost me one penny. Government covered 100% of the cost. I'm working toward my bachelor's now, and I pay less than $15k a year. It's honestly not unreasonable at all. What's unreasonable is people going into insane amounts of debt because they're convinced it will assure them better pay for life. Employers pay for skills, not for degrees. Actually, as a new college graduate, employers look at the degree and where it is from. | ||
Ercster
United States603 Posts
On March 14 2012 10:05 Jonas wrote: The United States has the best collegiate and post-graduate schools in the world because they charge people a lot of money for that education. If people want to go to cheap community colleges for their eduation they can, but they will get less out of that investment. The best schools in the world require a steep price, obviously. Granted, I think that $50,000/year to go to many of the US's top schools are insane, but I mean around half of the students attending these schools receive at least some kind of financial aid... I don't think people are arguing whether or not there shouldn't be private schooling, but rather whether or not there should be government subsidized schooling. | ||
shinosai
United States1577 Posts
In the US I think one of the main problems is the existence of guaranteed students loans, though. I mean, I look at my university, it's pretty decent. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year on construction, carpeting, and new pretty buildings. Does that sound like the sort of thing a struggling business ought to pay? Not really. But they'd have us believe that they are struggling. That they need to raise the tuition or they couldn't afford to stay open. Eliminate the student loans, let the prices fall. The universities are operating on a business model that would normally be impossible to sustain, but made possible by easy credit. | ||
MerdaPura
Brazil148 Posts
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EvilContrarian
United States26 Posts
We are talking about extending the K-12 level of access to support 4(or more?) years of college. I don't know that the university model works when its a continuation of highschool. The student has much greater control over their course of study in the university system so there is no guarentee they will achieve marketable job skills when they graduate. Does it make sense to subsidize "super highschool diplomas"? | ||
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
EDIT: I was going to edit out this typo, but even I can appreciate the humor of subtle irony | ||
Zinroc
Canada73 Posts
I'm at UofT (Canadian University also) and I pay $11000... and you are complaining about paying $1600 more? And it really isn't so bad... a lot of universities have A LOT of grants, scholarships, work-study and internship opportunities. Children should get free education because they cannot be expected to earn it at that age. As a university student, you are an adult which means one way or another you CAN earn it and if you are: a) not talented enough to get scholarships/internships/research positions b) not resourceful enough to get bursaries/work-study program spot c) not willing to live with parents and work weekends d) not from a rich family Then there are other adults out there who can do one of these or a hybrid of these and deserve the limited resource of post-secondary education more than you. And even if you can't do any of the above, it's not like you have to pay your tuition out of your own pocket, you get OSAP. (it's a Canadian education loan that doesn't have interest until AFTER you graduate, that's right a 4 year loan with NO interest! ) TLDR: As a Canadian you have nothing to complain about with regards to post secondary education price... Americans on the other hand.... ya you guys are getting screwed... | ||
ampson
United States2355 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On March 14 2012 10:05 Jonas wrote: The United States has the best collegiate and post-graduate schools in the world because they charge people a lot of money for that education. If people want to go to cheap community colleges for their eduation they can, but they will get less out of that investment. The best schools in the world require a steep price, obviously. Granted, I think that $50,000/year to go to many of the US's top schools are insane, but I mean around half of the students attending these schools receive at least some kind of financial aid... On March 14 2012 12:23 ampson wrote: The U.S. has the best schools in the world. We also pay the most. The way I see it, post-secondary schooling is an investment, so no, it should not be free. Pretty sure the US has one of the worst primary and secondary educations within first world countries. No surprise as they also have the lowest education funding. With respect to universities, I believe the UK has the most prestigious followed by the US. From what I've seen of Harvard VODS though top university lecturers are miles better than the kind of lecturers we have in Australia I think. | ||
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 14 2012 12:23 ampson wrote: The U.S. has the best schools in the world. We also pay the most. The way I see it, post-secondary schooling is an investment, so no, it should not be free. It shouldn't be crazy expensive either McGill and University of Toronto rank well in the QS World University rankings, and are dirt cheap compared to American schools. I'm not saying a good education isn't worth it ... but I hope Americans are looking for bargains | ||
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