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savagebeavers
Canada105 Posts
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
I studied in Poland and now in Finland. | ||
emc
United States3088 Posts
I don't think the free education should be government ran, maybe a non-profit? or what UC berkley is doing and offering free online courses is a step in the right direction. | ||
Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:41 savagebeavers wrote: It is really funny how when reading through this almost all the Americans think that it is absurd that university should be free, while some canadians, and all the europeans believe it should be free. I'm not sure if the Americans realize that if they cut their Military budget they could easily afford to pay for free university. I pay 3000$ a semester in Canada, I wish my area(Saskatchewan) had the attitude that quebec has, but unfortunately people would never strike here, I think they enjoy getting fucked by Harper. I don't think most Americans think that, everyone of my friends including myself think we should be getting paid to go to university. But instead we're supposed to wrack up debt ranging from 20k to 160k. | ||
Poffel
471 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:36 OsoVega wrote: Just because the UN asserts it does not make it true. There is no rational basis to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Well, of course it doesn't make it "true"... it's a right, not a fact. | ||
OsoVega
926 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:41 savagebeavers wrote: It is really funny how when reading through this almost all the Americans think that it is absurd that university should be free, while some canadians, and all the europeans believe it should be free. I'm not sure if the Americans realize that if they cut their Military budget they could easily afford to pay for free university. I pay 3000$ a semester in Canada, I wish my area(Saskatchewan) had the attitude that quebec has, but unfortunately people would never strike here, I think they enjoy getting fucked by Harper. It's really disturbing that you think that it is physically possible for something like university to be free. | ||
Daray
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
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savagebeavers
Canada105 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:35 OsoVega wrote: Free education is impossible. In order for someone to receive an education they must either produce the wealth needed to buy it or someone else needs to produce the wealth needed to buy it. The idea of a right to something that does not occur in nature contradicts the entire ideas of the actual rights which we need in order to survive. The single fundamental right, from which all other rights are corollaries is the right to life, which means, the right to the actions (but not objects) necessary for a rational being to survive and achieve happiness. A corollary of this right to life is the right to property because if a man is to sustain his life by his own actions and reason, he must have the right to the use and disposal of the products of his actions. The man who has no right to the product of his actions has no means to sustain his life. The right to life is not the right to the objects necessary for survival and happiness. If one has the right to the objects needed for survival and happiness, that means someone else is obliged to produce those objects for him. If one is obliged to forfeit the products of his mind, that means he has no right to those objects which means he has no right to property and therefore no right to life. Economic rights destroy individual rights. How can you say free education is impossible when it exists in so many countries? | ||
LRObot
United States153 Posts
If you're asking the student to bear zero cost, then that's another story, and one that taxpayers will have a strong opposition towards. | ||
emc
United States3088 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:44 Daray wrote: Education is free. Get course goals, go to the library and get books you need and learn. Too bad you won't get that important piece of paper though which is why they should offer tests for people so they can just get a degree if they studied on their own and know the subject material. to make the test, grade the test and prepare the test would all require work hours so there would have to be some payment made to someone, I guess if whoever set up the tests could get reimbursed by the government or something. you can take bar exams and engineering exams without going to school, they should have more exams for other careers. I know my brother graduated from UCI with a degree in physics, got an engineering job and certified himself by taking an exam after getting the job. | ||
sirkyan
211 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:39 askTeivospy wrote: theres already enough people with a B. Sc making it hard to get a job in sciences now, opening it up to everyone would be annoying unless Free education = increase GPA to graduate I'd be for that, i'd still pass and all the people who think they're scientists by pulling sub 3.0 UDGPA / CGPA (even 3.0 is low for Upper division IMO, but for cgpa w/e) wont get a degree. Currently morons are coasting by with a cool 2.5 getting the same degree I have so in order to distinguish myself from them I need to spend more time and money getting a M. Sc. (which i am going to do regardless, but that's besides the point) Why do you feel grades are of such importance (for character)? Why do people define themself through grades? It's pathetic. | ||
OsoVega
926 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:44 Poffel wrote: Well, of course it doesn't make it "true"... it's a right, not a fact. What do you think rights are? Things granted to you by your government or the UN? | ||
LRObot
United States153 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:45 savagebeavers wrote: How can you say free education is impossible when it exists in so many countries? There is no such thing as free education. Someone along the way has to pay for it, whether it be taxpayers or the student. | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:44 OsoVega wrote: It's really disturbing that you think that it is physically possible for something like university to be free. Agreed, I believe that Canadian students pay less than 1/3 of the cost needed to run a post secondary institution | ||
savagebeavers
Canada105 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:44 OsoVega wrote: It's really disturbing that you think that it is physically possible for something like university to be free. In this thread when we are saying "should education be free" we are saying "should tax money go toward paying for 100% the costs of university". If your trying to say that it is physically impossible for this to happen, I would defiantly disagree with that. | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:46 sirkyan wrote: Why do you feel grades are of such importance (for character)? Why do people define themself through grades? It's pathetic. There's more ways to distinguish your self than just getting an M. Sc as well. There's a reason why employers don't strictly look at GPA, hence, the interview. | ||
OsoVega
926 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:45 savagebeavers wrote: How can you say free education is impossible when it exists in so many countries? Because someone is always paying. Someone is producing the wealth needed to fund your education whether it is you, your parents, someone donating to a scholarship or the tax payer. | ||
askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:46 sirkyan wrote: Why do you feel grades are of such importance (for character)? Why do people define themself through grades? It's pathetic. Your character isn't going to get you into graduate school or get you research grants to show the world you actually are capable at something other than basic memorization. Sorry to tell you but these days a B Sc is as good as a BA in terms of getting a job because everyone has one now since the requirements to get one are objectively low I was an open minded child once, but then i grew up and got experienced. IMO its you with the pathetic outlook. | ||
Pokemonxoxo
United States217 Posts
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