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On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like. I'd agree with you if it was actually a controversial book. But Ender's Game has been used in schools across the countries for probably over a decade, read by children of all ages, and is considered a Sci-Fi classic. It's a thinking book, but there's really nothing all that offensive in it. It'd be like raising hell over The Giver.
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I picked up books of what I expect was about the same level of maturity around that age, and I believe that it only increased my interest in reading and appreciating genre.
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On March 16 2012 07:22 Warlock40 wrote:This incident is clearly indicative of the policy in every school in America.
Haha I doubt he will understand the sarcasm, country bashers aren't the smartest bunch :/
on topic: haven't read the book myself but I know plenty of people who enjoyed the series and didn't grow up to be psychopaths, I can't stand this bubble wrapping of children.
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On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like.
Wait. A teacher has to get permission from the police that its ok to read a book? That would be the top of bureaucracy.
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On March 16 2012 07:27 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like. I'd agree with you if it was actually a controversial book. But Ender's Game has been used in schools across the countries for probably over a decade, read by children of all ages, and is considered a Sci-Fi classic. It's a thinking book, but there's really nothing all that offensive in it. It'd be like raising hell over The Giver. The Giver is actually a pretty widely banned book. People mis-interpret it and think it supports the use of Euthanasia to make a utopian society, but anyone who read the book would know the opposite is true.
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Sounds like more 'let's censor everything' from crazy people with not enough stimulation in their lives. Pity them, they have to get worked up about something I guess...
Edit - I'd assume the wide majority of people would not consider this pornography at all. I've not read it myself, but after some quick research on the good old interwebs it hardly sounds like it. In the article it even states the book is recommended for 12+
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On March 16 2012 07:22 Warlock40 wrote:This incident is clearly indicative of the policy in every school in America.
Not my point. "Incidents" like these seem exclusively possible in the only western county that is discussing contraception in 2012.
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I remember when I was younger .. 6th or 7th grade our teacher read a child called it.. which is a little worse than this...
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On March 16 2012 07:28 Undrass wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like. Wait. A teacher has to get permission from the police that its ok to read a book? That would be the top of bureaucracy. No, the teacher didn't get it approved by the administration, which is why she was put on leave. And the administration didn't tell the police that the family was accusing them of showing porn to students(which is ridiculous imo). Separate things.
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On March 16 2012 07:14 Myles wrote: I've not read Ender's Game, but I did read a lot of Animorphs, which do deal with pretty mature morality concepts along with general violence, and imo books like that are what kids need to be interested in reading.
Difference is, Animorphs gave me nightmares.
I dreamed of Yeerks crawling into my skull.
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On March 16 2012 07:31 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:28 Undrass wrote:On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like. Wait. A teacher has to get permission from the police that its ok to read a book? That would be the top of bureaucracy. No, the teacher didn't get it approved by the administration, which is why she was put on leave. And the administration didn't tell the police that the family was accusing them of showing porn to students(which is ridiculous imo). Separate things. ah, thanks. sorry for misunderstanding.
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On March 16 2012 07:29 Funguuuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:27 Requizen wrote:On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like. I'd agree with you if it was actually a controversial book. But Ender's Game has been used in schools across the countries for probably over a decade, read by children of all ages, and is considered a Sci-Fi classic. It's a thinking book, but there's really nothing all that offensive in it. It'd be like raising hell over The Giver. The Giver is actually a pretty widely banned book. That.... what? How? I read that in like, 5th grade. In class.
Fuck that noise.
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Wow... that is just fucking dumb. Ender's Game is one of the most brilliant adolescent books out there, so inspiring and original, and cynical. God it's so goddamn good.
And what the fuck, Orson Scott Card is Mormon... so I really don't think that he had any sort of intention of making it "pornographic." He may be a bit more of a liberal Mormon, but their philosophy is still ingrained within him.
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I don't know how anyone could possibly take any offense to Ender's Game... This is retarded.
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kinda Off Topic: Is this series any good for reading it at age 25? I just ordered ender's game spontaneously :D
also, is this the right book to start?
short PM suffices as an answer, thanks guys!
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On March 16 2012 07:30 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:22 Warlock40 wrote:On March 16 2012 07:19 Monsen wrote: Congratulations america. This incident is clearly indicative of the policy in every school in America. Not my point. "Incidents" like these seem exclusively possible in the only western county that is discussing contraception in 2012.
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On March 16 2012 07:28 BreakfastBurrito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:22 Warlock40 wrote:On March 16 2012 07:19 Monsen wrote: Congratulations america. This incident is clearly indicative of the policy in every school in America. Haha I doubt he will understand the sarcasm, country bashers aren't the smartest bunch :/ on topic: haven't read the book myself but I know plenty of people who enjoyed the series and didn't grow up to be psychopaths, I can't stand this bubble wrapping of children.
Haha, I doubt you understand the irony of your post. Book banners and teacher suspenders aren't the smartest bunch. See what I did there? Probably not- MURICA.
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People being naked doesnt make something pornographic. If it was pornographic, it would be child porn and probably not as readily available as it is.
PS: Props to the parents to actually caring what their child is doing. (Although it resulted in this bullshit.)
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On March 16 2012 07:23 Aberu wrote: The objection which many people are plainly missing was that the teacher did not use the proper procedures to get the book authorized. If that teacher had done their job right this wouldn't have been a fiasco. If the school had notified police like it is procedurally required to, then none of this would have happened. It's not so much about the books contents as it is the school and teacher just doing whatever they'd like.
Yeah, I think this is the key point. which book was used isnt really important.
As an aside though, it is a great book.
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If we read Ender's Game in school, I'm pretty sure a lot more people would be interested in English.
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