Anyways I agree with all this "its rational" stuff. You pretty much have to suck it up even if you don't like it, and go with what makes sense. You're dead, you don't need it . And if you were to continue existing, I think its clear that you wouldn't need your body anymore (because your body remains, cold and dead/decaying in a coffin). If people believed in an afterlife it wouldn't have a use for your organs!
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
Anyways I agree with all this "its rational" stuff. You pretty much have to suck it up even if you don't like it, and go with what makes sense. You're dead, you don't need it . And if you were to continue existing, I think its clear that you wouldn't need your body anymore (because your body remains, cold and dead/decaying in a coffin). If people believed in an afterlife it wouldn't have a use for your organs! | ||
Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
In october 2010 I broke my left arm practicing Judo, it was a normal fracture I went to the hospital to get a surgery where they put metal nails to fix the broken bones, cubitus and radius broke around half... I had a staph infection after the surgery, the doctor who did the surgery [I live in venezuela] said I had nothing and that it would go away without giving me antibiotics or anything, about 2 and a half months after the infection I started taking antibiotics but it wasn't until the end of May next year that I had a second surgery to repair the damage... apparently I had ostiomielitis at this point but after expensive exams they said it wasn't the case, they did remove the surface of the bone but didn't cut it completely, they took the metal plates because they were infected and the bone didn't heal [in was in the air, broken still], so they put metal nail-holders close to the wrist and elbow to hold the bone in place and it grew back, these were removed 3 months later. Then on december 2011 I fell for the first time since the second surgery and my arm was broken again, in about the same place but this time the bones were in the original position, the doctor said it was no problem after 4-6 weeks I'd be fine but he was drunk [can happend in venezuela] and the 'plaster' or whatever the name is material used to hold the bones in place weren't set correctly, so the bones moved of their original place, with X-rays it was clear I needed a third surgery, I rejected it because these savages didn't have the equipment to do it but wanted to do it anyways... [at this point you're wondering why I haven't sued them, well there's no such thing as suing for wrong-practice in Venezuela, there is... but so hard to prove it's impossible to enforce, literally]. They said my bones wouldn't heal at this point, they actually did, so my arm now looks like an S or a C depending on perspective and with so much scars I could probably inspire a Marilyn Manson music video because I can scare both kids and adults. Anyways doctors said they need to cut between 3.5 to 4 cm (inch and a half) from both bones because I have "osteoarthorsis" [name in english could be osteoarthritis I think] now, they'll cut bones from my waist and implant it in the arm but I'll end up with the arm about almost an inch shorter, and they lacked the equipment to do it anyways, so I rejected the surgery like I said before. Now I want to know if I can buy synthetic material or get bone donation from a dead donor or something because I really really really want to at least have an arm of the same size... please help me out It's hard to search info about this in the internet because I have to use medical names for all of this which I don't know at all it's hard for me, tell me what you think about it. I hope that syntethic material could be used, apparently it's pretty good =/ and I do have people that could buy it in the US or something... | ||
FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On March 26 2012 23:28 Nevermind86 wrote: Guys I have a problem, that's why I asked about bone donations. In october 2010 I broke my left arm practicing Judo, it was a normal fracture I went to the hospital to get a surgery where they put metal nails to fix the broken bones, cubitus and radius broke around half... I had a staph infection after the surgery, the doctor who did the surgery [I live in venezuela] said I had nothing and that it would go away without giving me antibiotics or anything, about 2 and a half months after the infection I started taking antibiotics but it wasn't until the end of May next year that I had a second surgery to repair the damage... apparently I had ostiomielitis at this point but after expensive exams they said it wasn't the case, they did remove the surface of the bone but didn't cut it completely, they took the metal plates because they were infected and the bone didn't heal [in was in the air, broken still], so they put metal nail-holders close to the wrist and elbow to hold the bone in place and it grew back, these were removed 3 months later. Then on december 2011 I fell for the first time since the second surgery and my arm was broken again, in about the same place but this time the bones were in the original position, the doctor said it was no problem after 4-6 weeks I'd be fine but he was drunk [can happend in venezuela] and the 'plaster' or whatever the name is material used to hold the bones in place weren't set correctly, so the bones moved of their original place, with X-rays it was clear I needed a third surgery, I rejected it because these savages didn't have the equipment to do it but wanted to do it anyways... [at this point you're wondering why I haven't sued them, well there's no such thing as suing for wrong-practice in Venezuela, there is... but so hard to prove it's impossible to enforce, literally]. They said my bones wouldn't heal at this point, they actually did, so my arm now looks like an S or a C depending on perspective and with so much scars I could probably inspire a Marilyn Manson music video because I can scare both kids and adults. Anyways doctors said they need to cut between 3.5 to 4 cm (inch and a half) from both bones because I have "osteoarthorsis" [name in english could be osteoarthritis I think] now, they'll cut bones from my waist and implant it in the arm but I'll end up with the arm about almost an inch shorter, and they lacked the equipment to do it anyways, so I rejected the surgery like I said before. Now I want to know if I can buy synthetic material or get bone donation from a dead donor or something because I really really really want to at least have an arm of the same size... please help me out It's hard to search info about this in the internet because I have to use medical names for all of this which I don't know at all it's hard for me, tell me what you think about it. I hope that syntethic material could be used, apparently it's pretty good =/ and I do have people that could buy it in the US or something... Is Google blocked in Venezuela? I understand there are issues there, and perhaps I've heard that certain things are censored on the internet. Anyway, I'm asking because your question of whether or not it's scientifically possible to do bone grafts with donor or synthetic sources can be answered with a Google search. For this kind of general question, this method is really useful to know about: bone grafting information After it does its thing, you should see a few general starting points for info on bone grafts. I found all the basic answers about bone grafting on the wiki link, but that's just one of many. You'll find that yes, it's possible to do bone grafting with your own bones, bones from donor sources (even animals in certain scenarios), or fake/synthetic bone materials. With regard to seeking specific medical advice, such as "You should choose to suggest to your surgeons X material for Y procedure", there's no way any anonymous person on the internet can reliably offer you anything official, based on your loosely-written anecdote, on which you can safely make a decision. People here can inform you that certain technologies exist, or that it's possible to do bone grafting with synthetic material to be specific, but no one can tell you what to do based on your situation. | ||
Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
I'm far from a medical expert or medical student but pictures might help you in case someone here could guide you to some help. Also try to research 3D Printing. I can't remember exactly, but I heard a news not so long ago of success in use of 3D Printing in bone operation, or something. GL to you. | ||
Crisco
1170 Posts
On March 26 2012 22:42 radscorpion9 wrote: I'd be okay with donating my organs once I die. But I'm not sure I want them to go to just anybody. There probably aren't any useful ways of determining what people are worth an organ and which aren't, but I hope society prioritizes important people (doctors, scientists, artists) over delinquents and criminals. But then again you never know when those people could turn their life around and do something amazing; although I guess the chances are lower. Anyways I agree with all this "its rational" stuff. You pretty much have to suck it up even if you don't like it, and go with what makes sense. You're dead, you don't need it . And if you were to continue existing, I think its clear that you wouldn't need your body anymore (because your body remains, cold and dead/decaying in a coffin). If people believed in an afterlife it wouldn't have a use for your organs! In reality, organs are donated as fairly as possible as long as a few limited criteria are set. Although not all-inclusive, these are: 1) Remaining life expectancy of the patient (young over old) 2) Life expectancy after transplant (someone who is terminally ill regardless of transplant would almost never receive transplant) 3) urgency of need of transplant actually that may be it. Prisoners/criminals are given transplants just as fairly as anyone else with no real priority except for good compatability. | ||
LeoPenrose
Canada10 Posts
There might be a misunderstanding about when someone is a viable organ donor. The critical thing is that doctors have to be able to get to your organs when they're very fresh. This usually means you died in surgery or experienced head trauma and are kept alive through machines; you're a beating-heart cadaver (BHC). And here is my concern, the level of brain-death required is actually not zero. They don't check whether you have higher brain function, they check if you have use of your brain stem. In fact, there is sometimes higher brain function, but without the brain stem you can't interact with the world. This is apparently what happens to test for brain death: A doctor splashes ice water in your ears (to look for shivering in the eyes), pokes your eyes with a cotton swab and checks for any gag reflex, among other rudimentary tests. It takes less time than a standard eye exam. Finally, in what's called the apnea test, the ventilator is disconnected to see if you can breathe unassisted. If not, you are brain dead. (Some or all of the above tests are repeated hours later for confirmation.) During this procedure, the patient isn't even given anesthesia, which doesn't seem weird until they react to soaring heart-rates, much like inadequately anesthetized 'live' patients. I am a donor but might cancel so I have a bit more control over my rights during a harvest. I would donate an organ while living to someone I knew (I'm an identical twin). I would accept an organ transplant if required. I don't think others should be disqualified from organ transplant under any circumstances (since, as mentioned above, it moves the entire list up) unless it goes against their religious beliefs. + Show Spoiler + And for anyone who doesn't know about it yet: Heart in a Box | ||
Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Maybe if they could sell them in my name , so that my offspring could inherit the proceeds. Am actually somewhat suprised that this has not been monetised yet. It would cost monney but it could greatly increase the amount of organs available. In the end it could benefit everyone. | ||
Hus
18 Posts
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MaddogStarCraft
Canada64 Posts
A mystical man in the sky doesn't justify you not giving a person a chance at a life. | ||
Hus
18 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:23 MaddogStarCraft wrote: Everyone who disagrees with the idea of organ donor-ship is a complete and utter moron. A mystical man in the sky doesn't justify you not giving a person a chance at a life. Your assumption that the person disagreeing with the idea has to be doing so out of religious consideration says a lot about your personality. There is no possible way for anyone to call people that don't agree with donorship morons and be justified in that. The fact that you do so means you are deluding yourself, and probably lie to yourself all the time in order to get your views and points across. | ||
legendzawk
United States40 Posts
No. It's very true. I went on vacation in the Middle East once as a child (I was 8 years old), and this man comes in a big semi in front of our big home (no neighbors) and yells for me to come to him as I was outside playing. My cousins who were born there quickly jump and yelled for me to run inside the house. I later learned that there have been reports around the area of people being kidnapped to have their organs extracted. | ||
Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
Cons: None, and if you can put religion under cons that means you are saying religion is detrimental to the world. | ||
D10
Brazil3409 Posts
PS: Only real problem, is corruption amognst the very doctors and buroucrats that are supposed to make this work properly | ||
DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:18 Rassy wrote: Probably wont donate my organs, at least not for free Maybe if they could sell them in my name , so that my offspring could inherit the proceeds. Am actually somewhat suprised that this has not been monetised yet. It would cost monney but it could greatly increase the amount of organs available. In the end it could benefit everyone. What how why ? "It would cost money but it could greatly increase the amount of organs available." So we should appeal to humanity's greed and love for material gain to increase the donating ? And not appeal to humanity's love and understanding. "In the end it could benefit everyone" So how do you come to the conclusion that everybody asking money for their organs would be better ? Because if everybody is asking money all the people could get organs right ? Everybody has money right ? Just giving them away for free is not/less beneficial for everybody ? right ? O wait... | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3570 Posts
For me personally, I hope my body is butchered up when I die, and every last little bit that is useful is used in the best way possible. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
incidentally, my dad is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and made me choose to not list myself as an organ donor on my driver's license because of reasons mentioned earlier in this thread (that doctors might kill a braindead or vegetative me in order to get my organs), but i figure if i make it to a vegetative or braindead state, i don't necessarily want to live, and any conscious desire (if i'm still somehow conscious ala locked-in syndrome) would probably have come from pure survival instinct, which isn't necessarily a guide i want to listen to. i think my views are really similar to divito's, i'm just elaborating on them from a different front | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie. besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. That second argument is a strange one. Couldn't you say that about any kind of medicine? I will, of course, donate my organs. I won't be needing them. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
There is no universal definition of death. Doctors are the ones who decide when people are dead. Thus there have been instances where someone will come into the ER after a car accident for instance and be deemed "dead" so their organs can be harvested and given to someone in need in the hospital. In my medical ethics class we discussed the potentials of abuse for such a system, and discussed a case where a rich well off man in a community who needed a heart was given one after a homeless came in after a fall unconscious and his heart was harvested for the rich man. Legally, the doctor was untouchable. I will not be an organ donor until there is a universal definition of death. | ||
fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Israel157 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia12660 Posts
I respect people's individual decisions, but I would implore all of you who post here to seriously consider doing it and let your family know of your wishes. | ||
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