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On April 13 2012 10:19 57 Corvette wrote: Sigh Why does this look more and more like Homefront -.-
Except I think in Homefront N. Korea was capable of doing something correctly. It would appear that's not the case.
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On April 13 2012 10:52 baba1 wrote: Time to use our PDDs ! We did!!!
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This story seems to get replayed almost every year in some form or fashion. China clearly backs NK in some way, and probably has a hand in orchestrating this.
North Korea is China's crazy little vassal state that went wrong. China backs the NK government more these days because to the CCP's perspective anything else would actually be worse than for any other reason - that doesn't mean they particularly like NK scaring the piss out of Seoul and Tokyo. That gets Washington all huffy, China doesn't want excuses of the kind NK provides for the US to continue its military and diplomatic presence in Asia.
China also doesn't like how NK is a slave-state hellhole one bad harvest away from anarchy on the border. Millions of North Koreans pouring over the river into China is the last thing Beijing wants, it'd be less likely to happen if the NK government wasn't so batshit.
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Man I don't understand North Korea at all... what exactly is the point of having nuclear capability when your nation is economically starved?
What value do nukes have for them? Even IF they managed to create perfectly functional nukes, what the fuck do they expect to do with them?
The nukes will simply be shot down by anti-missle defense systems without any harm done and there are countries capable of wiping NK off the face of the earth if they have sufficient reason to do so...
The USA for example has had nukes perfected for over half a century, and NK is still failing to launch one successfully. Think about that... the USA is over half a century more advanced than NK... who knows what kind of secret technologies the government has by now. I'd imagine some extremely advanced stuff... Nukes are almost a joke by now... That's like bringing bows and arrows to a gun fight...
Confuzzling NK is confuzzling :S
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On April 13 2012 10:58 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +This story seems to get replayed almost every year in some form or fashion. China clearly backs NK in some way, and probably has a hand in orchestrating this. North Korea is China's crazy little vassal state that went wrong. China backs the NK government more these days because to the CCP's perspective anything else would actually be worse than for any other reason - that doesn't mean they particularly like NK scaring the piss out of Seoul and Tokyo. That gets Washington all huffy, China doesn't want excuses of the kind NK provides for the US to continue its military and diplomatic presence in Asia. China also doesn't like how NK is a slave-state hellhole one bad harvest away from anarchy on the border. Millions of North Koreans pouring over the river into China is the last thing Beijing wants, it'd be less likely to happen if the NK government wasn't so batshit.
Well said
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On April 13 2012 11:02 Seldentar wrote: Man I don't understand North Korea at all... what exactly is the point of having nuclear capability when your nation is economically starved?
What value do nukes have for them? Even IF they managed to create perfectly functional nukes, what the fuck do they expect to do with them?
The nukes will simply be shot down by anti-missle defense systems without any harm done and there are countries capable of wiping NK off the face of the earth if they have sufficient reason to do so...
The USA for example has had nukes perfected for over half a century, and NK is still failing to launch one successfully. Think about that... the USA is over half a century more advanced than NK... who knows what kind of secret technologies the government has by now. I'd imagine some extremely advanced stuff... Nukes are almost a joke by now... That's like bringing bows and arrows to a gun fight...
Confuzzling NK is confuzzling :S
I don't think you realize just how difficult it is to intercept something successfully moving at mach 10+, and if you intercept on reentry, closing speeds of near or even exceeding mach 15. You can either kill it in launch phase or intercept as it's coming in, but catching it once it gets going to be impossible. The number of population centers with missile defense systems are REALLY, REALLY low.
It's a lot easier to build a nuke than to launch a successful guided rocket though. NK has sucessfully made nukes. They just haven't managed to build a rocket that can deliver it.
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On April 13 2012 12:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:02 Seldentar wrote: Man I don't understand North Korea at all... what exactly is the point of having nuclear capability when your nation is economically starved?
What value do nukes have for them? Even IF they managed to create perfectly functional nukes, what the fuck do they expect to do with them?
The nukes will simply be shot down by anti-missle defense systems without any harm done and there are countries capable of wiping NK off the face of the earth if they have sufficient reason to do so...
The USA for example has had nukes perfected for over half a century, and NK is still failing to launch one successfully. Think about that... the USA is over half a century more advanced than NK... who knows what kind of secret technologies the government has by now. I'd imagine some extremely advanced stuff... Nukes are almost a joke by now... That's like bringing bows and arrows to a gun fight...
Confuzzling NK is confuzzling :S I don't think you realize just how difficult it is to intercept something successfully moving at mach 10+, and if you intercept on reentry, closing speeds of near or even exceeding mach 15. You can either kill it in launch phase or intercept as it's coming in, but catching it once it gets going to be impossible. The number of population centers with missile defense systems are REALLY, REALLY low. It's a lot easier to build a nuke than to launch a successful guided rocket though. NK has sucessfully made nukes. They just haven't managed to build a rocket that can deliver it.
The warhead in reentry is traveling faster than the sharpnel that is produced from a missle exploding. Making the only way for the warhead to be intercepted successfully is to have it explode in front of the warhead (not beside). Not sure of how big the kill-zone of the defense system missle is. Radius 50 m max?
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Hmmm, China wasn't too different back in the day, the Communist Party spending all that money on nukes and missiles and rockets when a lot of people were still starving.
Except, of course, you know, our stuff worked.
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On April 13 2012 11:02 Seldentar wrote: Man I don't understand North Korea at all... what exactly is the point of having nuclear capability when your nation is economically starved?
What value do nukes have for them? Even IF they managed to create perfectly functional nukes, what the fuck do they expect to do with them?
The nukes will simply be shot down by anti-missle defense systems without any harm done and there are countries capable of wiping NK off the face of the earth if they have sufficient reason to do so...
The USA for example has had nukes perfected for over half a century, and NK is still failing to launch one successfully. Think about that... the USA is over half a century more advanced than NK... who knows what kind of secret technologies the government has by now. I'd imagine some extremely advanced stuff... Nukes are almost a joke by now... That's like bringing bows and arrows to a gun fight...
Confuzzling NK is confuzzling :S No one wants nukes to use them, as all the nuclear powers would retaliate in kind. It's just a political tool. Oh hey, we have the ability to wipe out your cities. We'll get rid of some of our ability to wipe out cities for some food and other useful things for us.
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couldn't NK transport a nuke wherever it wants on a shipping vessel? Obviously alarms would go off everywhere if a missile was launched but by boat not sure how anyone could detect that
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On April 13 2012 11:02 Seldentar wrote: Man I don't understand North Korea at all... what exactly is the point of having nuclear capability when your nation is economically starved?
Get food aid. That's all their posturing is all about. As well as appear strong to their domestic 'audience'. Their ideology destroys their own ability to produce food. What I don't get is why the US doesn't just give that to them. Yeah, most of the food will go to soldiers and if there is not enough, people will still starve. But do they really think having the failed regime starve their own people is a good idea? And even if this will make the regime implode, what good is that? Imagine S Korea having to absorb N Korea.
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The fact that North Korea is trying to launch a satellite in 2012 shows how stuck in the 1950's they are.
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The threat of nuclear weapons is enough to make Japan and South Korea get very very involved. North Korea's SRM's can strike anywhere within the region. I believe, though could be wrong, that the longest range SRM can hit the farthest away Japanese Home Islands.
What North Korea is trying to do is what the U.S and Russia did during the Cold War. Have the ability to reach out and touch someone. They believe, that if they can do this, they can effectively "Barter" for resources.
Where this is a very similar song and dance that the regime has done over the past... what, 10 years? It's concerning that a nation with an insane leadership that is essentially backed into a corner is trying to gain first strike capability with nuclear weapons. That subtley will change the balance of power...
That said, as a Korean, I'm really in favor of letting Japan off the chain and letting them have not only a self defense force, but an actual standing army............ hopefully they won't go full retard like they did in 1920-1945.
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On April 13 2012 13:04 Crackensan wrote: The threat of nuclear weapons is enough to make Japan and South Korea get very very involved. North Korea's SRM's can strike anywhere within the region. I believe, though could be wrong, that the longest range SRM can hit the farthest away Japanese Home Islands.
What North Korea is trying to do is what the U.S and Russia did during the Cold War. Have the ability to reach out and touch someone. They believe, that if they can do this, they can effectively "Barter" for resources.
Where this is a very similar song and dance that the regime has done over the past... what, 10 years? It's concerning that a nation with an insane leadership that is essentially backed into a corner is trying to gain first strike capability with nuclear weapons. That subtley will change the balance of power...
That said, as a Korean, I'm really in favor of letting Japan off the chain and letting them have not only a self defense force, but an actual standing army............ hopefully they won't go full retard like they did in 1920-1945. Japan doesn't need an army, They have Koizumi and his RISING SUN!!!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +Koizumi will protect japan from any NK shenanigans with his.... You see earlier today while the entire japan was like this Koizumi went to delegate with NK with a mahjong game with the NK Leader and NK leader lost so he threw a tantrum and launched the Taepodong and Koizumi was like NO! so he got into a fighter jet and shot that shit down himself.
What a manly man. I knew we can count on Koizumi!
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On April 13 2012 13:04 Crackensan wrote: The threat of nuclear weapons is enough to make Japan and South Korea get very very involved. North Korea's SRM's can strike anywhere within the region. I believe, though could be wrong, that the longest range SRM can hit the farthest away Japanese Home Islands.
What North Korea is trying to do is what the U.S and Russia did during the Cold War. Have the ability to reach out and touch someone. They believe, that if they can do this, they can effectively "Barter" for resources.
Where this is a very similar song and dance that the regime has done over the past... what, 10 years? It's concerning that a nation with an insane leadership that is essentially backed into a corner is trying to gain first strike capability with nuclear weapons. That subtley will change the balance of power...
That said, as a Korean, I'm really in favor of letting Japan off the chain and letting them have not only a self defense force, but an actual standing army............ hopefully they won't go full retard like they did in 1920-1945.
LOL, bro things change... they aren't the same fanatical-zealots they were when the God Emperor was in power.
nevermind: I'm stupid, didn't read the "In Favor"
Conspiracy Theory but since someone said it already, NK seems to be bluffing that they'll launch this "satellite" to show that they're not a country to be messed with. We all know that the whole world should be democratic/republic or whatever works nowadays but the leaders of course wants to stand to the same ideology since that what brings them absolute/unwavering power.
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On April 13 2012 13:29 Licmyobelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:04 Crackensan wrote: The threat of nuclear weapons is enough to make Japan and South Korea get very very involved. North Korea's SRM's can strike anywhere within the region. I believe, though could be wrong, that the longest range SRM can hit the farthest away Japanese Home Islands.
What North Korea is trying to do is what the U.S and Russia did during the Cold War. Have the ability to reach out and touch someone. They believe, that if they can do this, they can effectively "Barter" for resources.
Where this is a very similar song and dance that the regime has done over the past... what, 10 years? It's concerning that a nation with an insane leadership that is essentially backed into a corner is trying to gain first strike capability with nuclear weapons. That subtley will change the balance of power...
That said, as a Korean, I'm really in favor of letting Japan off the chain and letting them have not only a self defense force, but an actual standing army............ hopefully they won't go full retard like they did in 1920-1945. LOL, bro things change... they aren't the same fanatical-zealots they were when the God Emperor was in power.
True, but some of the things they did still sting. I mean, they did stuff that made the Nazi's cringe.
Though because of that war, I'm very very curious on how many Japanese would actually join a new Japanese Navy/Army/Air Force/Marine Corps. Considering that, well, at least the government, has had a pacifist stance since the defeat and surrender.
EDIT: just saw your edit. It's cool bro. ;D
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On April 13 2012 13:04 Crackensan wrote: The threat of nuclear weapons is enough to make Japan and South Korea get very very involved. North Korea's SRM's can strike anywhere within the region. I believe, though could be wrong, that the longest range SRM can hit the farthest away Japanese Home Islands.
What North Korea is trying to do is what the U.S and Russia did during the Cold War. Have the ability to reach out and touch someone. They believe, that if they can do this, they can effectively "Barter" for resources.
Where this is a very similar song and dance that the regime has done over the past... what, 10 years? It's concerning that a nation with an insane leadership that is essentially backed into a corner is trying to gain first strike capability with nuclear weapons. That subtley will change the balance of power...
That said, as a Korean, I'm really in favor of letting Japan off the chain and letting them have not only a self defense force, but an actual standing army............ hopefully they won't go full retard like they did in 1920-1945.
To be quite frank I have my doubts that Japan even wants an standing army at this point, as any money they would be spending on an army is instead going to America to place bases in their country allowing Japan to focus solely on domestic growth. Because lets face it, if anyone were to attack Japan - it would invoke the US to respond militarily.
Of course that's not to say it couldn't change - after all who would stop Japan from training a full fledged army if they really wanted one? The UN?
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Japan is basically a vassal state of the US. It has no independent foreign policy. It's self defense force is already adequate to be a proper military. The problem is all the US bases on their territory. The Japanese people want them gone. Their politicians get elected with this campaign promise. But when they get into power the Japanese prime minster actually doesn't have the power to force the Americans out. This is one of the main reason of the internal political turmoil in Japan. And this turmoil doesn't help with the internal problems they have. Japan can be the new Greece.
Japan needs to change its constitution. Maybe now with the decrease in political apethy in the wake of Fukushima, where Japanese people actually start to denounce their government, people power may be able to force the US military to leave where Japanese politians can't and grant Japan independence because right now Japan is still defacto occupied by a foreign power.
Being defeated in a war teaches pacificm. You can see this both in Germany and Japan. This is a lesson the people of some countries, like Israel and the US, still need to learn.
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