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On March 31 2012 02:17 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 01:58 Golgotha wrote:On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
For the record, any time any nation state announces plans to develop and test ballistics technology in the professed name of space exploration, scientitifc research, near-Earth orbit satellite deployment and the like, that's code for "we'd like to develop and test intercontinental missile delivery systems, but can't say that publicly so we'll call it science instead and laugh while 99% of the obviously braindead people of the world believe what we say, haha".
I'm talking about Japan, Korea (South), India, etc., all part of the club of nations that have made in recent years seemingly innocuous announcements about the launching of satellites, the research and development of related "rocket technology", etc. Space race? Rockets? Missiles? Get a clue people, the technology and engineering are for practical purposes identical.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
Unless you live in Sweden, in which case all you care about is video games and ABBA.
North Korea? Please. They are hanging on by their finger nails. They pose no more credible threat to the US than does Cuba.
I thought this was supposed to be an informed post? You seem to have missed the entire point of the NK situation. We all know that the US can easily wipe out NK, that is common sense. But the fact still stands that this isn't about the safety of the US, rather it primarily extends to SK and the countries surrounding the Korean peninsula. A conflict in Korea might be laughable for the US, but it sure as hell wont be for the 50% of SK's population that resides in Seoul. Furthermore, the conflict will raise serious ramifications and repercussions of the future political landscape of the peninsula with the potential for Unification. US and China will be scrambling to fill the political vacuum if NK ever goes down.....increasing the tensions between the two superpowers and potentially creating conflict. Not sure what's up with your slight at Sweden. Your whole post is a non sequitur. It's almost noon which means it's getting close to nap time for you. Don't forget to grab the pacifier on your way to bed. Fucking kids.
Mods need a "report" button as well if you're going to pull this shit. You're suppose to lead by example. This is not how we argue on TL, and you damn well know it.
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Well no one is going to stop them so why worry about it. There are bigger problems.
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On April 01 2012 06:36 ranshaked wrote: This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ? The Soviet Union turned their backs on North Korea (and China) with Gorbachev, and since the dissolvment, they have been kind of neutral. I even doubt that China would help North Korea. They only supported them before because they owed it to Stalin, who was responsible for putting both Communistic parties into power. China have a similar history to North Korea, so they are not as quick to judge them. They are the only country that considers North Korea to be a legitimate country, so they tend to play the status-quo card, but they are not really fans of them. Not anymore. Although they are not fans of USA's cocky attitude either, it's very unlikely that they would go to war against them, because they are selfish enough to know that it would be a bad idea. In terms of supporting a war against North Korea, I would say Japan is the most likely, followed by USA, South Korea and then China. No matter what happens, Russia will probably stay out of it, and although China feels the same, I think influence in the area is more important to them than to Russia, so if war was inevitable, I can see them supporting USA and SK just to make sure that they can have a role in the aftermath.
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On March 30 2012 14:51 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:48 DannyJ wrote: Stand back world as we display our 1950's technology. This, why are people afraid? We'd know well ahead of time if they actually developed/were developing anything that could actually hurt us, and could destroy it/them before it did anything.
That's pretty naive.
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Mensrea is a mod? He sure doesn't sound like one in that post.
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On April 01 2012 07:04 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:17 mensrea wrote:On March 31 2012 01:58 Golgotha wrote:On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
For the record, any time any nation state announces plans to develop and test ballistics technology in the professed name of space exploration, scientitifc research, near-Earth orbit satellite deployment and the like, that's code for "we'd like to develop and test intercontinental missile delivery systems, but can't say that publicly so we'll call it science instead and laugh while 99% of the obviously braindead people of the world believe what we say, haha".
I'm talking about Japan, Korea (South), India, etc., all part of the club of nations that have made in recent years seemingly innocuous announcements about the launching of satellites, the research and development of related "rocket technology", etc. Space race? Rockets? Missiles? Get a clue people, the technology and engineering are for practical purposes identical.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
Unless you live in Sweden, in which case all you care about is video games and ABBA.
North Korea? Please. They are hanging on by their finger nails. They pose no more credible threat to the US than does Cuba.
I thought this was supposed to be an informed post? You seem to have missed the entire point of the NK situation. We all know that the US can easily wipe out NK, that is common sense. But the fact still stands that this isn't about the safety of the US, rather it primarily extends to SK and the countries surrounding the Korean peninsula. A conflict in Korea might be laughable for the US, but it sure as hell wont be for the 50% of SK's population that resides in Seoul. Furthermore, the conflict will raise serious ramifications and repercussions of the future political landscape of the peninsula with the potential for Unification. US and China will be scrambling to fill the political vacuum if NK ever goes down.....increasing the tensions between the two superpowers and potentially creating conflict. Not sure what's up with your slight at Sweden. Your whole post is a non sequitur. It's almost noon which means it's getting close to nap time for you. Don't forget to grab the pacifier on your way to bed. Fucking kids. Mods need a "report" button as well if you're going to pull this shit. You're suppose to lead by example. This is not how we argue on TL, and you damn well know it.
I don't know about reporting, but he might as well of been talking to me. 37 yr Old 4 Kids 4-years military 93-97 Paul supporter Not just kids, informed dissent.
Cautious Bush 2 supporter... betrayed Obama same. I had to grow up and adjust my expectations. You might just see names, and 'people wanting to stir' crap is what your impression must be of us. Geopolitics is a harsh game, but perhaps Wargames was right. The only way to win, is not to play. I could be wrong, but so could you. The only thing I have vested in this is my countries name and some of my families butts. Perhaps my own, as i can still get a 2 yr recall, or drafted, jailed or whatever.
We (US) have been driving this game a long time, maybe we should see the game from the bench and regain some perspective. Honestly, I love debate, but insults around here should be a bit more tactful
The only thing worse than the fear of what NK might do, is the obvious consequences of if WE do anything. Russia, China and India are not going to support action unless NK steps way out of left field, and at this point attacking Iran or NK over anything less than a blatant attack is political 'all-in' versus those other 3 superpowers. Subtle is how those 3 countries are slowly unpinning themselves from our country financially. Iraq, meh, Afghanistan Meh. We go in to NK or Iran, or more than just proxy rush Syria, I will get drunk that day, and feel very very sorry for the backlash to come. My adopted brother enlisted Marines... and they love the pacific.
I'm sure that's all blah blah blah to you, but maybe it will be telling of why just one odd kid disagrees
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Stupid backwards country. Spending money on rockets when they have to make backroom political deals just to get food. Sad.
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Whelp if they say that they are going to be launching a rocket, you can only think that they are doing it for military purposes. All this scientific and humanitarian ho ha is probably not true. We'll have to see where this goes. I mean they probably aren't going to fire it on another place, but I'm sure they they are using this as a test rocket for something more eeeeeeeeviiiiillll!!!
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On April 01 2012 08:38 Chunhyang wrote: Mensrea is a mod? He sure doesn't sound like one in that post. This forum is sad sometimes, i got banned for "ad hominem", when all his posts in this thread are that, not to mention that they are completely stupid and embarassing.
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On April 01 2012 07:04 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:17 mensrea wrote:On March 31 2012 01:58 Golgotha wrote:On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
For the record, any time any nation state announces plans to develop and test ballistics technology in the professed name of space exploration, scientitifc research, near-Earth orbit satellite deployment and the like, that's code for "we'd like to develop and test intercontinental missile delivery systems, but can't say that publicly so we'll call it science instead and laugh while 99% of the obviously braindead people of the world believe what we say, haha".
I'm talking about Japan, Korea (South), India, etc., all part of the club of nations that have made in recent years seemingly innocuous announcements about the launching of satellites, the research and development of related "rocket technology", etc. Space race? Rockets? Missiles? Get a clue people, the technology and engineering are for practical purposes identical.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
Unless you live in Sweden, in which case all you care about is video games and ABBA.
North Korea? Please. They are hanging on by their finger nails. They pose no more credible threat to the US than does Cuba.
I thought this was supposed to be an informed post? You seem to have missed the entire point of the NK situation. We all know that the US can easily wipe out NK, that is common sense. But the fact still stands that this isn't about the safety of the US, rather it primarily extends to SK and the countries surrounding the Korean peninsula. A conflict in Korea might be laughable for the US, but it sure as hell wont be for the 50% of SK's population that resides in Seoul. Furthermore, the conflict will raise serious ramifications and repercussions of the future political landscape of the peninsula with the potential for Unification. US and China will be scrambling to fill the political vacuum if NK ever goes down.....increasing the tensions between the two superpowers and potentially creating conflict. Not sure what's up with your slight at Sweden. Your whole post is a non sequitur. It's almost noon which means it's getting close to nap time for you. Don't forget to grab the pacifier on your way to bed. Fucking kids. Mods need a "report" button as well if you're going to pull this shit. You're suppose to lead by example. This is not how we argue on TL, and you damn well know it.
Totally agree. Even myself don't see how that reply is any relevant to what Mod is talking about, but the way Mod acted was damn rude.
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another psycho moderator yippee
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
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Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
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Actually it's mainly the US making up rules and the UK obeying everything the US tells them to do.
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On March 31 2012 02:17 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 01:58 Golgotha wrote:On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
For the record, any time any nation state announces plans to develop and test ballistics technology in the professed name of space exploration, scientitifc research, near-Earth orbit satellite deployment and the like, that's code for "we'd like to develop and test intercontinental missile delivery systems, but can't say that publicly so we'll call it science instead and laugh while 99% of the obviously braindead people of the world believe what we say, haha".
I'm talking about Japan, Korea (South), India, etc., all part of the club of nations that have made in recent years seemingly innocuous announcements about the launching of satellites, the research and development of related "rocket technology", etc. Space race? Rockets? Missiles? Get a clue people, the technology and engineering are for practical purposes identical.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
Unless you live in Sweden, in which case all you care about is video games and ABBA.
North Korea? Please. They are hanging on by their finger nails. They pose no more credible threat to the US than does Cuba.
I thought this was supposed to be an informed post? You seem to have missed the entire point of the NK situation. We all know that the US can easily wipe out NK, that is common sense. But the fact still stands that this isn't about the safety of the US, rather it primarily extends to SK and the countries surrounding the Korean peninsula. A conflict in Korea might be laughable for the US, but it sure as hell wont be for the 50% of SK's population that resides in Seoul. Furthermore, the conflict will raise serious ramifications and repercussions of the future political landscape of the peninsula with the potential for Unification. US and China will be scrambling to fill the political vacuum if NK ever goes down.....increasing the tensions between the two superpowers and potentially creating conflict. Not sure what's up with your slight at Sweden. Your whole post is a non sequitur. It's almost noon which means it's getting close to nap time for you. Don't forget to grab the pacifier on your way to bed. Fucking kids. How are their posts irrelevant and uneducated? I expect this shit from some1 with 45 posts, but not a fucking mod. I hope your mod status gets taken away for being non sequitur yourself. In life and in this forum.
PS: Why can't I report him for being a shitty mod?
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Actually it's mainly the US making up rules and the UK obeying everything the US tells them to do.
Well actually it was everyone in the world at the time and still everyone in the world except a very small number of dictators and a very large number of internet trolls and angry kids who think it's all unfair that the "Fab Five" have their nuclear clubhouse and keep everyone else out. Except countries that give them the finger and build their own clubhouse, that's worked pretty well for Israel, India, and Pakistan....
No one likes North Korea not even China so of course it hasn't worked out too well for them.
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Mensrea is completely right. But then, baseless fear mongering is already ingrained into people's minds. The seesaw needs to keep moving, Iran talk is starting to slow down, so let's start talking again about how NK is the devil, and repeat the process back and forth until the US does something (or decides to pick on another member of the "axis of evil"), only to say how you've been against it from the beginning 5 years later.
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On April 01 2012 10:14 Asshat wrote: Mensrea is completely right. But then, baseless fear mongering is already ingrained into people's minds. The seesaw needs to keep moving, Iran talk is starting to slow down, so let's start talking again about how NK is the devil, and repeat the process back and forth until the US does something (or decides to pick on another member of the "axis of evil"), only to say how you've been against it from the beginning 5 years later.
You know what Bush et al. should have done? Picked off NK instead of Iraq.
--Graham Allison
oh and no, the fear-mongering tactic employed in order to facilitate Iraq's invasion doesn't work anymore.. people are sort of aware that shit went pretty poorly in that regard, and are probably a little more willing to see things on their own
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On April 01 2012 09:54 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 07:04 Excludos wrote:On March 31 2012 02:17 mensrea wrote:On March 31 2012 01:58 Golgotha wrote:On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
For the record, any time any nation state announces plans to develop and test ballistics technology in the professed name of space exploration, scientitifc research, near-Earth orbit satellite deployment and the like, that's code for "we'd like to develop and test intercontinental missile delivery systems, but can't say that publicly so we'll call it science instead and laugh while 99% of the obviously braindead people of the world believe what we say, haha".
I'm talking about Japan, Korea (South), India, etc., all part of the club of nations that have made in recent years seemingly innocuous announcements about the launching of satellites, the research and development of related "rocket technology", etc. Space race? Rockets? Missiles? Get a clue people, the technology and engineering are for practical purposes identical.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
Unless you live in Sweden, in which case all you care about is video games and ABBA.
North Korea? Please. They are hanging on by their finger nails. They pose no more credible threat to the US than does Cuba.
I thought this was supposed to be an informed post? You seem to have missed the entire point of the NK situation. We all know that the US can easily wipe out NK, that is common sense. But the fact still stands that this isn't about the safety of the US, rather it primarily extends to SK and the countries surrounding the Korean peninsula. A conflict in Korea might be laughable for the US, but it sure as hell wont be for the 50% of SK's population that resides in Seoul. Furthermore, the conflict will raise serious ramifications and repercussions of the future political landscape of the peninsula with the potential for Unification. US and China will be scrambling to fill the political vacuum if NK ever goes down.....increasing the tensions between the two superpowers and potentially creating conflict. Not sure what's up with your slight at Sweden. Your whole post is a non sequitur. It's almost noon which means it's getting close to nap time for you. Don't forget to grab the pacifier on your way to bed. Fucking kids. Mods need a "report" button as well if you're going to pull this shit. You're suppose to lead by example. This is not how we argue on TL, and you damn well know it. Totally agree. Even myself don't see how that reply is any relevant to what Mod is talking about, but the way Mod acted was damn rude.
Yeah, I agree too. Shocked when I saw that, very disappointing.
On topic, I imagine NK won't actually end up doing it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was just a ploy to get more stuff in exchange for them not going through with it. If they actually do... bad things will happen O.o
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They don't even have competent nuclear scientists.
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What's the point of shooting it down? They already built it, they're not going to get their money back for it if they don't launch it, and if it's shot down they'll have to built another one, and spend even more money, how's that helping anyone? It's their first test, they're not going to put a nuclear warhead inside, assuming they even have one, if there's any chance the rocket might just explode on the launch pad.
Afaik space doesn't belong to anyone, so they're free to launch their own satellites. Unless you say US can shoot it down because they made it to space first, but then I guess you would have been fine with SSSR using Cuba to shoot down rockets launched from Cape Canaveral in the 50s and 60s during the cold war, because the Soviet Union made it to space first.
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On March 30 2012 14:27 aLt)nirvana wrote:just went im about to go to seoul, great!! TEAM USA please do something! go naniwa & thorzain!!!On a serious note, i don't understand whats the fixation with north korea always doing stuff like this THEY KNOW will make the other countries angry.
i don't understand the first part of your post but ... the reason why they things like this is too show they are relevant and generally to get attention.
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