Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301

Jay Chou

45 Posts

April 19 2012 08:46 GMT

President Barack Obama - 332
Governor Mitt Romney - 206

President Barack Hussein Obama (D)
VS
Willard Mitt Romney (R)

57th United States Presidential Election
Tuesday, November 6th, 2012

Useful Links:
About Barack Obama (Wikipedia)
Re-elect Barack Obama

About Mitt Romney (Wikipedia)
Mitt Romney for President

538
Politico Poll Tracker
Cook Political Report Electoral College Dashboard
Intrade's Electoral Map Forecast
Politifact (Pulitzer Prize Winner :: Fact Checking Blog)

Something missing from the OP? Let me know.

For Americans:

Poll: Did you vote?

Yes! (266)

77%

No. (79)

23%

345 total votes

Your vote: Did you vote?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No.

These others can be answered by anyone, I guess!

Poll: What was the biggest reason Obama won?

Romney failed to connect with minorities, women and youth (Self-deportation, Rape-y Republicans) (120)

39%

A combination of factors. Neither of these was decisive. (50)

16%

Systematic media bias (39)

13%

Obama earned a mandate through steady economic recovery and foreign policy leadership (29)

10%

Romney failed to connect with middle class and poor people (47%, Bain Capital ads) (28)

9%

I am Donald Trump, and voter fraud (14)

5%

None of these popular explanations express my view (Explain!) (12)

4%

Obama's election day GOTV was too strong (6)

2%

Obama's leadership during Hurricane Sandy (6)

2%

304 total votes

Your vote: What was the biggest reason Obama won?

(Vote): Obama's election day GOTV was too strong
(Vote): Romney failed to connect with minorities, women and youth (Self-deportation, Rape-y Republicans)
(Vote): Romney failed to connect with middle class and poor people (47%, Bain Capital ads)
(Vote): Obama's leadership during Hurricane Sandy
(Vote): Obama earned a mandate through steady economic recovery and foreign policy leadership
(Vote): Systematic media bias
(Vote): A combination of factors. Neither of these was decisive.
(Vote): None of these popular explanations express my view (Explain!)
(Vote): I am Donald Trump, and voter fraud

Poll: Are you optimistic about America's future?

Yes! (143)

31%

Not really, but I hope I'm wrong. (134)

29%

Nope. We're fucked. (115)

25%

Somewhat. (53)

12%

I don't know what to think anymore. (12)

3%

457 total votes

Your vote: Are you optimistic about America's future?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): Somewhat.
(Vote): Not really, but I hope I'm wrong.
(Vote): Nope. We're fucked.
(Vote): I don't know what to think anymore.

Poll: What happens now in Washington?

More gridlock. Near debt ceiling default again. Country falls over the fiscal cliff. (157)

63%

New spirit of cooperation. Obama doesn't have a mandate, and Republicans pivot to center. (29)

12%

Obama whips congress into shape, a second term Democratic agenda takes shape. (26)

10%

Chaos. Anarchy. Cubs win the World Series. (20)

8%

The House holds the President and Senate hostage, a Conservative agenda holds sway. (18)

7%

250 total votes

Your vote: What happens now in Washington?

(Vote): More gridlock. Near debt ceiling default again. Country falls over the fiscal cliff.
(Vote): New spirit of cooperation. Obama doesn't have a mandate, and Republicans pivot to center.
(Vote): Obama whips congress into shape, a second term Democratic agenda takes shape.
(Vote): The House holds the President and Senate hostage, a Conservative agenda holds sway.
(Vote): Chaos. Anarchy. Cubs win the World Series.

Poll: What major issue is your top priority for the next four years?

The Economy, The Economy, The Economy, Stupid. (166)

66%

Comprehensive Tax Reform (24)

10%

Climate Change (21)

8%

Immigration Reform (12)

5%

Comprehensive Entitlement Reform (10)

4%

The 51st State in the Union, Puerto Rico (9)

4%

Election Reform (8)

3%

250 total votes

Your vote: What major issue is your top priority for the next four years?

(Vote): The Economy, The Economy, The Economy, Stupid.
(Vote): Immigration Reform
(Vote): Climate Change
(Vote): Comprehensive Tax Reform
(Vote): Comprehensive Entitlement Reform
(Vote): Election Reform
(Vote): The 51st State in the Union, Puerto Rico

Older Polls (10 Days Out)
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A few new polls since we're now about 10 days away from the election! These polls are more geared towards American voters, but for you international users, there's one for you at the end.

Poll: 10 Days Out: Americans, who has your vote?

President Barack Obama (484)

58%

Governor Mitt Romney (190)

23%

Third Party Candidate (96)

12%

I do not plan to vote (59)

7%

829 total votes

Your vote: 10 Days Out: Americans, who has your vote?

(Vote): President Barack Obama
(Vote): Governor Mitt Romney
(Vote): Third Party Candidate
(Vote): I do not plan to vote

Poll: Have you been persuaded to change your vote in this election?

No, I have never changed my mind about my vote. (135)

64%

Yes, to a third party (26)

12%

Yes, to Romney (23)

11%

Yes, to Obama (14)

7%

I've been persuaded to stay home and not vote (14)

7%

212 total votes

Your vote: Have you been persuaded to change your vote in this election?

(Vote): Yes, to Obama
(Vote): Yes, to Romney
(Vote): Yes, to a third party
(Vote): No, I have never changed my mind about my vote.
(Vote): I've been persuaded to stay home and not vote

Poll: Who has run the better campaign?

Obama (Obama for America) (115)

72%

Romney (Romney for President) (37)

23%

Tie. (7)

4%

159 total votes

Your vote: Who has run the better campaign?

(Vote): Obama (Obama for America)
(Vote): Romney (Romney for President)
(Vote): Tie.

Poll: Which candidate has been more truthful?

Obama (133)

67%

Equally truthful/untruthful (36)

18%

Romney (29)

15%

198 total votes

Your vote: Which candidate has been more truthful?

(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Romney
(Vote): Equally truthful/untruthful

Poll: Which candidate most shares your concerns?

Obama (110)

61%

Romney (42)

23%

Both/Neither (29)

16%

181 total votes

Your vote: Which candidate most shares your concerns?

(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Romney
(Vote): Both/Neither

Here's a bone for you guys following from abroad!

Poll: Rest of the World: How do you view the American political process?

A popularity contest masquerading as a serious process. (192)

49%

THIS is the world's only superpower? We're all doomed. (118)

30%

None of these statements comes close to expressing my view. (36)

9%

Plenty of countries do it better, but at least it's the will of the people. (25)

6%

Has some flaws, but is overall fair, serious, and engaging. (19)

5%

Impressive! A model for the rest of the world! (5)

1%

395 total votes

Your vote: Rest of the World: How do you view the American political process?

(Vote): Impressive! A model for the rest of the world!
(Vote): Has some flaws, but is overall fair, serious, and engaging.
(Vote): Plenty of countries do it better, but at least it's the will of the people.
(Vote): A popularity contest masquerading as a serious process.
(Vote): THIS is the world's only superpower? We're all doomed.
(Vote): None of these statements comes close to expressing my view.

Older Polls (After Romney won nomination)
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Now that the Republican nominations are over, I figured it'd be a good opportunity to begin a new thread surrounding the elections and discussing the policy differences between the Democrats and the Republicans. I have created the following polls, and only have one request - that only eligible voters (US citizens over the age of whatever the voting age is) should vote in the poll.

Poll: If a US citizen: Will you vote?

Yes! (1232)

74%

No. (352)

21%

Unsure... (83)

5%

1667 total votes

Your vote: If a US citizen: Will you vote?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No.
(Vote): Unsure...

If you're planning to vote, who will you support? This way we at least have some idea of what kind of election results to expect (at least for the 20s computer gaming demographic):

Poll: Who will you vote for?

Barack Obama (1160)

61%

Mitt Romney (475)

25%

Other (257)

14%

1892 total votes

Your vote: Who will you vote for?

(Vote): Barack Obama
(Vote): Mitt Romney
(Vote): Other

As for this third poll, votes will be open to all TL users:

Poll: Who do you think will win?

Barack Obama (1398)

83%

Mitt Romney (283)

17%

1681 total votes

Your vote: Who do you think will win?

(Vote): Barack Obama
(Vote): Mitt Romney

And here's one for everyone who's following along from abroad:

Poll: For non-US Citizens: Who do you hope wins?

Barack Obama (2085)

82%

Other (259)

10%

Mitt Romney (186)

7%

2530 total votes

Your vote: For non-US Citizens: Who do you hope wins?

(Vote): Barack Obama
(Vote): Mitt Romney
(Vote): Other

MethodSC

United States922 Posts

April 19 2012 08:50 GMT

needs a 3rd option: Don't want to vote for either

D10

Brazil3381 Posts

April 19 2012 08:51 GMT

Its not as simple as good or bad economy, Romney is a complete baffon, theres no way he can get elected unless you guys discover Obama has been osama bin laden all along

BlackJack

United States6961 Posts

April 19 2012 08:51 GMT

fyi - in the US he goes by "Mitt Romney"

ElvisWayCool

United States436 Posts

April 19 2012 08:52 GMT

Go Obama.

I really can't see Republicans uniting well enough to take Obama down.

scatmango2

United States407 Posts

April 19 2012 08:53 GMT

Ron Paul

Lysanias

Netherlands7182 Posts

April 19 2012 08:54 GMT

You could remove all those points and simply say, wich face do you like more ?
I doubt either of these two will do even 1/4 of what they promise.

ioFilip

Romania33 Posts

April 19 2012 08:54 GMT

I'm curious how many liquipedians would be in favor of Ron Paul as an alternative to both.

MethodSC

United States922 Posts

April 19 2012 08:55 GMT

On April 19 2012 17:52 TerlocSG wrote:

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The question isn't "Who do you want to vote for?" so your option wouldn't make any sense. If you suggested, "Won't vote for either" then you would have a point.

Go Obama.

Actually if someone asked me "who will you vote for, Obama or Romney?" "I Don't want to vote for either" would be a completely fine answer to that question.

feanor1

United States1896 Posts

April 19 2012 08:59 GMT

#10

No way Obama doesn't get reelected. If the GOP had a decent candidate it would be a close race, but Romney is so out of touch and to win the Republican primary he had to abandon all of his moderate policies in favor of more extreme views. Hell my dad, who I don't think has ever voted Democrat would vote for Obama if the election were today.

Simply put Obama hasn't screwed up all that much, killing Osama Bin Laden was a nice boost for him as well. I was not 18 prior to the last election, but I probably would have voted McCain if there was some way to verify that he would survive his entire term(God damn Palin). I will be voting for Obama this year though

feanor1

United States1896 Posts

April 19 2012 09:01 GMT

#11

Somehow I managed to defeat TL anti double post technology. Damn it.

On April 19 2012 17:54 ioFilip wrote:
I'm curious how many liquipedians would be in favor of Ron Paul as an alternative to both.

I like a lot of Ron Paul ideas, but his idea of destroying the banking system is way too risky.

Boblhead

United States2574 Posts

April 19 2012 09:01 GMT

#12

Vote for the guy who is getting nothing done because its a republican congress or vote for the religous bat that i feel won't do anything actually important for this country.

Ya none of them are getting my vote.

Flamingo777

United States1141 Posts

April 19 2012 09:07 GMT

#13

The lack of candidate viability in the last 2 elections' candidates astounds me.

Heouf

Netherlands703 Posts

April 19 2012 09:12 GMT

#14

Well in my opinion the rep. cant win with the attitude they are having. It's all bm the dem.! How can you win that way. I really don't get it.

Ercster

United States601 Posts

April 19 2012 09:13 GMT

#15

I don't like any of the candidates, especially Ron Paul (he's fucking insane), but I have to vote for the best of the worst, Obama.

BlackJack

United States6961 Posts

April 19 2012 09:16 GMT

#16

I think Romney will win but I think it's pretty irrelevant who wins. Their records are pretty similar so the edge goes to the white guy.

Graviton

Australia132 Posts

April 19 2012 09:17 GMT

#17

On April 19 2012 17:54 ioFilip wrote:
I'm curious how many liquipedians would be in favor of Ron Paul as an alternative to both.

I'd imagine people would be over Paul after tthe collapse of his hype post 2008.

Mentalizor

Denmark1594 Posts

April 19 2012 09:18 GMT

#18

Scumbag europeans will ruin this poll (^_^) Really to us (at least in Denmark) Obama is somewhat a right-wing politician and Romney is just off the charts right winged. I think if a vote between these two happened in Scandinavia Obama would have 80%+ of the votes.