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On January 07 2013 10:51 manicsquare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:33 czylu wrote: I have 3 gripes w/ this movie: 1. This movie was really boring to watch. There was this giant gap between the beginning and the end that was just a struggle to stay awake in where absolutely nothing happened. A lot of it could've been cut out. 2. The way they showed torture. I don't wanna get into politics over this, but it is an absolute misrepresentation to show top level CIA executives bitching about not able to use torture to get information. That said, they did show that torture was ineffective and that traditional bribery/coaxing was more effective means of obtaining information. 3. SPOILER: the car bomb scene. I had a really difficult time in the theater to just not burst out laughing b/c that thing was telegraphed a mile away. That was just a terribly executed scene and frankly the editors should be fired for their incompetence. For your point about what was boring with the movie what did you find that made it so boring. Was it that you came into the movie expecting it to be more about the seals and a war movie closer to the hurt locker? The point of the movie was suppose to me more on the hunt for Bin Laden and how it affected the lives of the people involved in it. Your second point I sorta agree with but i don't think that they showed that torture was completely ineffective I thought once or twice they showed that it did have potential. I thought it was necessary to show the executives complaining that they could not use torture since it showed that they were still stuck in their old ways. To deal with you third point my thoughts on it were + Show Spoiler +I believe that the scene was suppose to be seen coming from a mile away. I believe the point of it was to show that the CIA officer was too obsessed with wanting to believe that the guy was a good person. They wanted the audience to be able to see clearly what was going to happen so that they would see what was happening to her. It wanted to show that we could not always trust our allies in the war. Its purpose was also to show the toll it had on Maya and how her work was affecting her. These are just my thoughts on what it was suppose to represent so take it as you will.
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I went into the movie knowing what it was about and having watched TV docs on the raid. The entire middle of the movie was boring(about the 1.5hrs between the beginning torture scenes and raid), where nothing happens. I honestly can't even remember much of it outside of the car bomb and the hotel bomb, which in both cases were only memorable b/c they were very poorly done. The car bomb was just plain bad movie making, the fact the lady that died had to literally tell the security guard to scrap his search was just cringe worthy. The hotel bomb was bad just because it happened and nothing was really followed up. That was a problem throughout most of the movie. I remember the girl who handed her a photo of the courier. She goes into some monologue about how she admires Maya, but we never hear from her again. A lot of the middle was just filler, tiny plots that go nowhere, and characters that were basically just plot devices created to give the main character what she needed. I get that this is trying to give a documentary feel for a movie, but this isn't a documentary and the plot needs to make sense in terms of presentation.
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On January 07 2013 11:10 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:33 czylu wrote: I have 3 gripes w/ this movie: 1. This movie was really boring to watch. There was this giant gap between the beginning and the end that was just a struggle to stay awake in where absolutely nothing happened. A lot of it could've been cut out. 2. The way they showed torture. I don't wanna get into politics over this, but it is an absolute misrepresentation to show top level CIA executives bitching about not able to use torture to get information. That said, they did show that torture was ineffective and that traditional bribery/coaxing was more effective means of obtaining information. 3. SPOILER: the car bomb scene. I had a really difficult time in the theater to just not burst out laughing b/c that thing was telegraphed a mile away. That was just a terribly executed scene and frankly the editors should be fired for their incompetence. 1 is personal, but I liked it at this speed. 2 and 3 I disagree with. As for torture: You see the main character actively reviewing footage of people being tortured by various (foreign) intelligence agencies establishing the link to the courier. The movie implied that if you torture long and hard enough and ask intelligent questions, someone always 'breaks'. And every attack was telegraphed in advance; you'd hear a vague reference to a city in the movie and 20 minutes later someone is watching TV footage of the attack. In my opinion is ment to demonstrate how impossible it is to prevent terrorist attacks and the futility of doing the jobs the characters are doing in trying to eliminate something that they'll never be able to.
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In the movie, when the guy started "breaking," there was an imminent terrorist attack coming and they wanted to know the details of it. He started saying Monday, tuesday, Wednesday, etc. He wasn't giving accurate information, and was only speaking in delirium. when some1 "breaks", it means they are willing to say anything to stop the torture, not actually giving up accurate information. That is the problem w/ extracting information under torture, because a person will literally say anything to stop being tortured. Also, Maya reviewed footage from interrogations. An interrogation is when you sit a guy down and try to coax/intimidate/negotiate for information. Torture is when you strap a guy down onto a board and simulate drowning on him. They're two very different things.
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[B]3. SPOILER: the car bomb scene. I had a really difficult time in the theater to just not burst out laughing b/c that thing was telegraphed a mile away. That was just a terribly executed scene and frankly the editors should be fired for their incompetence.
I don't get it. What do you don't like about that scene? Is it the way it was filmed, technical point of view or how the story went, because the store is true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Chapman_attack (to some degree of course, it is a movie after all).
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Terrific film. Way better than hurt locker. I wasn't going to see it at first because I thought hurt locker was overrated as shit.
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I loved The Hurt Locker and I am seeing this tomorrow night. I would not be surprised if some casual movie goers goes into the movie thinking it will be an action movie about the SEALs since the commercials make it out to be that way.
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Was pretty good. Nominated for an Oscar, and probably should've been nominated for Best Director, too.
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I was expecting a lot from this movies seeing as Hurt Locker was my favourite film of not only 2008 but possibly even the latter half of that decade
Zero Dark Thirty was a shadow of Hurt Locker's glory I am disappointed to say The narrative assumes you are American and followed all the politics surrounding the events so you can follow the passage of time in the film It fails to really portray the sense of futility that the film was going for in the second act and there are no interesting characters Everything seems to just be a reason for the final act to exist which was the best part of the film but still falling short of what Hurt Locker achieved
It does seem to not play loose with the facts but as a film its not that great. This is material that would have been better handled in a book
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I thought it was a great film. It will do well in awards season. I recommend folks go check it out for themselves.
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considering the entire story is fiction i thought it was pretty terrible.
Osama died in dec 2001 of his illnesses which were related to renal failure. he did go for emergency kidney dialysis in june of 2001 with CIA officers present, that is well known. According to Dr. Steve Pieczenik Short bio:+ Show Spoiler +Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.[3] His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7] He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary
Osama Bin Laden died in dec 2001, it was in the CIA records and OBL medical chart mentioned that he had marfan syndrome. many other news sites report this as well, in fact its still on fox's website if you search for it.
OBL denied being involved with 9/11 three times leading up to his death. after his death the infamous "confession tape" surfaced with a fatter, darker, much wider nose osama who was of the opposite hand for writing.
User was temp banned for this post.
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post has already been reported, thank god good try at derailing though
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Good movie, 8.5/10. Most tense part of the movie night was the guy having a seizure, biting his tongue, and gurgling/choking in his own blood as the paramedics came, and a nurse in the audience stabilized him while waiting for that to happen (in the row right behind me, a couple of seats to my right).
Yea, it was an interesting movie showing for sure.
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im watching this tonight. better not have any worthless side story of some soldier who isnt good at acting bitching that has nothing to do with the plot progression or the renners charachter when the rest of the movie is fantastic. im a little shaky about the shaky camera too stuff so ill give my review when i come back as long as i dont get banned for something idk.
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I watched the movie last night And I loved it. I still like The Hurt Locker more, but this movie was well made. Jessica Chastain owned the role and she was superb. Her performance and emotions was really convincing to me when she was pissed off, annoyed, happy, etc. I agree with the previous posts how there are references to events that they talk about, but do not go into full details. The reference that came up the most was Tora Bora. My friends that watched it with me did not follow the current events a lot, but they understood the references fine since you can piece it together quite easily. I did not find this movie to be a MURICA FUCK YEAH at all. It is just about Maya and her CIA colleagues trying to find the location of Bin Laden. There is not a whole lot of patriotism until the end when they finished the raid.
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Really liked this movie. So many people are docking it for not having character development or other elements of a typical plot, even though the nature of the story being told doesn't allow for it. It's based on real events and meant to be true to them, so you can't just change the story to make it more in line with typical movies. The intelligence-gathering and manhunt may not be action-packed, but I found the realism of its portrayal very interesting. By the time the final scene came around my heart was pounding until OBL was dead. Strict realism was again adhered to in the assault scene, considering there was no music played whatsoever. The realism of the storytelling stays consistent throughout, which may not make for a typical movie experience with character development etc, but it still tells an awesome and interesting story. Don't pigeon-hole this movie into what you think movies should be and you'll enjoy it .
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I just watched the movie. Started well, but the movie misses and ignores a lot of the stuff that the CIA did on Pakistan and their effects on long term (for example, what happened a month ago with medic without frontiers having to cancel their vacunation program against the polio because of several actions CIA had been doing there for years). What could had been a good documental, turned into just another movie, with a reckless agent looking for vengeance instead of justice that doesn't add or tell you anything new that we didn't know.
Meh movie.
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Seriously, UBL was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, when some of his closest men are caught, do you think the best way to handle to situation is to follow some sort of "policy" and refrain from torture techniques? be humane to them? and risk them not talking??? its ok, let's let UBL get away with bombing another few thousand people, at least we'll have the satisfaction that we didn't mistreat any terrorists from his camp. .. right? give your fucken head a shake people,
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best way to learn the story is to read "no easy day" before, or even after the movie... its the same story from 2 different views, the movie is from the intel point of view, and the book is from the SEALS point of view.. when it comes down to actually killing UBL the stories are almost identical... if you've finished the book first the movie is so much better.
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On January 17 2013 15:39 samsonsrad wrote: Seriously, UBL was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, when some of his closest men are caught, do you think the best way to handle to situation is to follow some sort of "policy" and refrain from torture techniques? be humane to them? and risk them not talking??? its ok, let's let UBL get away with bombing another few thousand people, at least we'll have the satisfaction that we didn't mistreat any terrorists from his camp. .. right? give your fucken head a shake people,
We shouldn't argue this here, but you are so fucking clueless it hurts.
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On January 17 2013 17:26 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 15:39 samsonsrad wrote: Seriously, UBL was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, when some of his closest men are caught, do you think the best way to handle to situation is to follow some sort of "policy" and refrain from torture techniques? be humane to them? and risk them not talking??? its ok, let's let UBL get away with bombing another few thousand people, at least we'll have the satisfaction that we didn't mistreat any terrorists from his camp. .. right? give your fucken head a shake people, We shouldn't argue this here, but you are so fucking clueless it hurts.
pls elaborate
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On January 17 2013 17:48 samsonsrad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 17:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 17 2013 15:39 samsonsrad wrote: Seriously, UBL was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, when some of his closest men are caught, do you think the best way to handle to situation is to follow some sort of "policy" and refrain from torture techniques? be humane to them? and risk them not talking??? its ok, let's let UBL get away with bombing another few thousand people, at least we'll have the satisfaction that we didn't mistreat any terrorists from his camp. .. right? give your fucken head a shake people, We shouldn't argue this here, but you are so fucking clueless it hurts. pls elaborate The torture does not reflect reality...this is a major point of contention about the movie. In reality, torture of any kind resulted in little, if any, relevant information in finding Osama Bin Laden. Or anything else, for that matter.
In a more general manner, torture is an excellent way of getting people to agree to anything you want them to, but absolutely horrible for finding out information that is reliable.
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