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The cringiest stuff, if you will, was any time he basically recycled old speech stuff as a 'joke'. It's not recasting anything in a funny light. Like misdirections are funny- Hillary sets up that she can't believe they brought in such hated rivals, you think she means her and Trump, then she throws to the gov and mayor. For that reason, I thought the Michelle-Melania joke was legitimately funny. But a lot of it was 'just like I've been saying on the campaign trail, I was right all along,' isn't much funnier when said again but in a 'roast' context.
The Hillary needing a village to write her jokes was one of the better ones, imo.
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The cringiest stuff was when they already started lightly booing his joke, then he says he doesn't know if they are angry at her or what, then he proceeds to tell a bunch of catholics that she probably hates catholics and get a full solid booing.
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Trump was much cleverer and funnier in the primary season than in the general. He lost his touch somewhere along the way.
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On October 22 2016 18:51 LegalLord wrote: Trump was much cleverer and funnier in the primary season than in the general. He lost his touch somewhere along the way. Hes not winning, and despite the bubble he will have formed around himself of yes-men a little bit of reality tends to seep in to let him know that he is indeed not winning. His personality can't take that, puts him under stress and messes with his more relaxed 'creative' side.
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On October 22 2016 16:23 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday.
The polling data showed Trump's argument that the Nov. 8 election is "rigged" against him has resonated with members of his party.
"Remember folks, it's a rigged system," Trump told a Pennsylvania rally on Friday. "That's why you've got to get out and vote, you've got to watch. Because this system is totally rigged."
Clinton led Trump 44 percent to 40 percent, according to the Oct. 14-20 Reuters/Ipsos poll, a 4-point lead. That compared with 44 percent for Clinton and 37 percent for Trump in the Oct. 7-13 poll released last week.
An average of national opinion polls by RealClearPolitics shows Clinton 6.2 percentage points ahead at 48.1 percent support to Trump's 41.9 percent.
Trump is slated to give a speech Saturday in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, best known as the site of a decisive Civil War battle and cemetery, and the place where Republican President Abraham Lincoln delivered his famous address.
Aides told reporters on Friday night that Trump would make his closing argument to voters in his speech, and preview what he would do in his first 100 days in the White House.
"I think this site is fitting in terms of understanding a positive vision for the Republican party," an aide said.
Trump's campaign was thrown into crisis after a 2005 video released this month showed him bragging about groping and kissing women. He has since faced accusations - which he has said are "absolutely false" - that he made improper sexual advances to women over decades.
The Reuters/Ipsos survey found 63 percent of Americans, including a third of Republicans, believe the New York real estate mogul has committed sexual assault in the past. ReutersThis is just one poll of course, but I'm legitimately surprised that he gained despite his rather poor debate performance. Other polls show him narrowing the gap a moderate amount, but I don't think he'll be able to get within 4 points on average before the election unless some huge campaign-ending information gets released. The stat I bolded is crazy, that means at least 3% of Americans (unless I can't math) believe he committed sexual assault and are voting for him. It doesn't meant 3% of Americans as in 3% of all Americans.
It means 3% of whoever the hell they called. Media polls are usually off by pretty big margins. Sometimes it's deliberate yeah. But really it's who is picking up these unsolicited phone calls from a marketer who wants to ask some questions?
They're not exactly the same as people who will vote in 17 days.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/wikileaks-hilary-clinton-progressives-230009
WikiLeaks poisons Hillary’s relationship with left
After learning how Clinton feels about them, liberals vow to push back against her agenda and appointments.
By Kenneth P. Vogel 10/21/16 05:05 AM EDT
Liberal groups and activists are assembling opposition research-style dossiers of the most dismissive comments in the WikiLeaks emails about icons of their movement like Clinton’s Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders, and their stances on trade, Wall Street reform, energy and climate change. And some liberal activists are vowing to use the email fodder to oppose Clinton policy proposals or appointments deemed insufficiently progressive.
“We were already kind of suspicious of where Hillary’s instincts were, but now we see that she is who we thought she was,” said one influential liberal Democratic operative. “The honeymoon is going to be tight and small and maybe nonexistent,” the operative said.
The emails, which also show Clinton praising Wall Street in a manner that’s discordant with her tough campaign rhetoric, have made many progressives less inclined to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt on nominees with more centrist backgrounds or ties to Wall Street, said the operative. “Some of the first fights that she is going to be dealing with are going to be personnel fights like about who she’s going to pick for Treasury, Securities and Exchange Commission, Education and Labor, and for regulatory agencies like the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Federal Trade Commission. Progressives are going to be on guard.”
The WikiLeaks revelations have not influenced the hierarchy around Clinton or her feelings about trusted advisers like Podesta, Sullivan and Tanden, according to a source close to the campaign. Podesta and Sullivan helped Clinton prep for Wednesday’s debate here and traveled aboard the campaign plane with her to the debate, while Tanden is still listed as a co-chair of Clinton’s transition team.
But it could pose a major problem for Clinton’s efforts to fill out a transition team and a prospective administration if Sullivan, Tanden, Podesta or other close advisers became widely seen on the left as unwilling to work in good faith with the Democratic Party’s left flank, which largely aligned behind Sanders during his bitter Democratic primary campaign against Clinton.
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On October 22 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote: He did quite well, if you go by all the people laughing. Only lost the crowd for the about 3 minutes when he was going for the jugular. Hillary didn't have the same kind of highs, whether because she had to go after or whatever reason. But nobody was thrown under any bus, it's a friendly fun dinner. He did quite well? He got fucking booed, it made the headlines in the whole world.
Hey, here is an exercise for you : see if you can spot the difference:
I don't want it getting out of this room but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. But I have had a few glimpses of this man at his best. And I admire his great skill, energy, and determination.
It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he has made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African-American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many corridors. and
Hillary is so corrupt she got kicked off the Watergate Commission. How corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission? Pretty corrupt
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On October 22 2016 20:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/wikileaks-hilary-clinton-progressives-230009WikiLeaks poisons Hillary’s relationship with left
After learning how Clinton feels about them, liberals vow to push back against her agenda and appointments.
By Kenneth P. Vogel 10/21/16 05:05 AM EDTShow nested quote +Liberal groups and activists are assembling opposition research-style dossiers of the most dismissive comments in the WikiLeaks emails about icons of their movement like Clinton’s Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders, and their stances on trade, Wall Street reform, energy and climate change. And some liberal activists are vowing to use the email fodder to oppose Clinton policy proposals or appointments deemed insufficiently progressive.
“We were already kind of suspicious of where Hillary’s instincts were, but now we see that she is who we thought she was,” said one influential liberal Democratic operative. “The honeymoon is going to be tight and small and maybe nonexistent,” the operative said.
The emails, which also show Clinton praising Wall Street in a manner that’s discordant with her tough campaign rhetoric, have made many progressives less inclined to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt on nominees with more centrist backgrounds or ties to Wall Street, said the operative. “Some of the first fights that she is going to be dealing with are going to be personnel fights like about who she’s going to pick for Treasury, Securities and Exchange Commission, Education and Labor, and for regulatory agencies like the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Federal Trade Commission. Progressives are going to be on guard.”
The WikiLeaks revelations have not influenced the hierarchy around Clinton or her feelings about trusted advisers like Podesta, Sullivan and Tanden, according to a source close to the campaign. Podesta and Sullivan helped Clinton prep for Wednesday’s debate here and traveled aboard the campaign plane with her to the debate, while Tanden is still listed as a co-chair of Clinton’s transition team.
But it could pose a major problem for Clinton’s efforts to fill out a transition team and a prospective administration if Sullivan, Tanden, Podesta or other close advisers became widely seen on the left as unwilling to work in good faith with the Democratic Party’s left flank, which largely aligned behind Sanders during his bitter Democratic primary campaign against Clinton.
Berniebros being bitter. Wow. Now that's news.
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On October 22 2016 20:01 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 16:23 plasmidghost wrote:Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday.
The polling data showed Trump's argument that the Nov. 8 election is "rigged" against him has resonated with members of his party.
"Remember folks, it's a rigged system," Trump told a Pennsylvania rally on Friday. "That's why you've got to get out and vote, you've got to watch. Because this system is totally rigged."
Clinton led Trump 44 percent to 40 percent, according to the Oct. 14-20 Reuters/Ipsos poll, a 4-point lead. That compared with 44 percent for Clinton and 37 percent for Trump in the Oct. 7-13 poll released last week.
An average of national opinion polls by RealClearPolitics shows Clinton 6.2 percentage points ahead at 48.1 percent support to Trump's 41.9 percent.
Trump is slated to give a speech Saturday in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, best known as the site of a decisive Civil War battle and cemetery, and the place where Republican President Abraham Lincoln delivered his famous address.
Aides told reporters on Friday night that Trump would make his closing argument to voters in his speech, and preview what he would do in his first 100 days in the White House.
"I think this site is fitting in terms of understanding a positive vision for the Republican party," an aide said.
Trump's campaign was thrown into crisis after a 2005 video released this month showed him bragging about groping and kissing women. He has since faced accusations - which he has said are "absolutely false" - that he made improper sexual advances to women over decades.
The Reuters/Ipsos survey found 63 percent of Americans, including a third of Republicans, believe the New York real estate mogul has committed sexual assault in the past. ReutersThis is just one poll of course, but I'm legitimately surprised that he gained despite his rather poor debate performance. Other polls show him narrowing the gap a moderate amount, but I don't think he'll be able to get within 4 points on average before the election unless some huge campaign-ending information gets released. The stat I bolded is crazy, that means at least 3% of Americans (unless I can't math) believe he committed sexual assault and are voting for him. It doesn't meant 3% of Americans as in 3% of all Americans. It means 3% of whoever the hell they called. Media polls are usually off by pretty big margins. Sometimes it's deliberate yeah. But really it's who is picking up these unsolicited phone calls from a marketer who wants to ask some questions? They're not exactly the same as people who will vote in 17 days.
This is going to be very simplistic because I'm not a statistician.
If you call a sufficiently large amount of people, you can posit that it is representative of the population at large, assuming the sample you called isn't biased in a significant way. The law of large numbers allows you to do that.
Generally those polls offer a margin of error for their results, specifically based on the fact that they don't call all americans. It is expected that the exact result may vary if you call more people. It is also expected that it won't change in a hugely significant way. Generally the margin of error is something around 5% of the result, tops.
It's statistically wrong to dismiss those stats as being representative of "only the people who answered". You need a more precise argument than that to dismiss them.
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On October 22 2016 18:47 JinDesu wrote: The cringiest stuff was when they already started lightly booing his joke, then he says he doesn't know if they are angry at her or what, then he proceeds to tell a bunch of catholics that she probably hates catholics and get a full solid booing.
Especially considering how many times Trump has flat-out lied about the importance of the Bible and religion in his life. I'm not religious but I'd facepalm every time he tried pandering to the religious right. He's an awful hypocrite.
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On October 22 2016 14:02 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 13:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 22 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote: He did quite well, if you go by all the people laughing. Only lost the crowd for the about 3 minutes when he was going for the jugular. Hillary didn't have the same kind of highs, whether because she had to go after or whatever reason. But nobody was thrown under any bus, it's a friendly fun dinner. He came off almost as badly as Ann Coulter did when she tried roasting Rob Lowe. The vast majority of laughter was for Hillary's speech, not for Trump's. Trump's was the one with all the booing When someone uses the words "cringe" or "awkward" in my experience it's usually to blame someone else for own their emotional reaction. In your case anything Trump will be cringe, so we probably watched different videos.
I can think of two past instances where I thought Trump was legitimately funny, and they were both when he didn't take himself seriously and decided to poke fun at himself. The first was at his CC Roast, at the end when he fired jokes back. The second was a parody clip where he bought a random woman's van and children because he didn't have time to wait for the valet to retrieve his car. But this speech was cringeworthy.
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On October 22 2016 16:23 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday.
The polling data showed Trump's argument that the Nov. 8 election is "rigged" against him has resonated with members of his party.
"Remember folks, it's a rigged system," Trump told a Pennsylvania rally on Friday. "That's why you've got to get out and vote, you've got to watch. Because this system is totally rigged."
Clinton led Trump 44 percent to 40 percent, according to the Oct. 14-20 Reuters/Ipsos poll, a 4-point lead. That compared with 44 percent for Clinton and 37 percent for Trump in the Oct. 7-13 poll released last week.
An average of national opinion polls by RealClearPolitics shows Clinton 6.2 percentage points ahead at 48.1 percent support to Trump's 41.9 percent.
Trump is slated to give a speech Saturday in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, best known as the site of a decisive Civil War battle and cemetery, and the place where Republican President Abraham Lincoln delivered his famous address.
Aides told reporters on Friday night that Trump would make his closing argument to voters in his speech, and preview what he would do in his first 100 days in the White House.
"I think this site is fitting in terms of understanding a positive vision for the Republican party," an aide said.
Trump's campaign was thrown into crisis after a 2005 video released this month showed him bragging about groping and kissing women. He has since faced accusations - which he has said are "absolutely false" - that he made improper sexual advances to women over decades.
The Reuters/Ipsos survey found 63 percent of Americans, including a third of Republicans, believe the New York real estate mogul has committed sexual assault in the past. ReutersThis is just one poll of course, but I'm legitimately surprised that he gained despite his rather poor debate performance. Other polls show him narrowing the gap a moderate amount, but I don't think he'll be able to get within 4 points on average before the election unless some huge campaign-ending information gets released. The stat I bolded is crazy, that means at least 3% of Americans (unless I can't math) believe he committed sexual assault and are voting for him.
That poll only has one day post-debate performance (the 20th). Don't assume any changes in it have the slightest thing to do with the debate, it's more likely to be general tightening, regression to the mean, or just random error than be possibly attributable to the debate.
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On October 22 2016 20:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 18:47 JinDesu wrote: The cringiest stuff was when they already started lightly booing his joke, then he says he doesn't know if they are angry at her or what, then he proceeds to tell a bunch of catholics that she probably hates catholics and get a full solid booing. Especially considering how many times Trump has flat-out lied about the importance of the Bible and religion in his life. I'm not religious but I'd facepalm every time he tried pandering to the religious right. He's an awful hypocrite.
I dearly hope that most American presidents lied about their belief in superstitions.
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On October 22 2016 22:11 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 20:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 22 2016 18:47 JinDesu wrote: The cringiest stuff was when they already started lightly booing his joke, then he says he doesn't know if they are angry at her or what, then he proceeds to tell a bunch of catholics that she probably hates catholics and get a full solid booing. Especially considering how many times Trump has flat-out lied about the importance of the Bible and religion in his life. I'm not religious but I'd facepalm every time he tried pandering to the religious right. He's an awful hypocrite. I dearly hope that most American presidents lied about their belief in superstitions.
I wish, but unlikely.
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On October 23 2016 00:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 22:11 a_flayer wrote:On October 22 2016 20:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 22 2016 18:47 JinDesu wrote: The cringiest stuff was when they already started lightly booing his joke, then he says he doesn't know if they are angry at her or what, then he proceeds to tell a bunch of catholics that she probably hates catholics and get a full solid booing. Especially considering how many times Trump has flat-out lied about the importance of the Bible and religion in his life. I'm not religious but I'd facepalm every time he tried pandering to the religious right. He's an awful hypocrite. I dearly hope that most American presidents lied about their belief in superstitions. I wish, but unlikely. What makes you say that?
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On October 22 2016 20:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote: He did quite well, if you go by all the people laughing. Only lost the crowd for the about 3 minutes when he was going for the jugular. Hillary didn't have the same kind of highs, whether because she had to go after or whatever reason. But nobody was thrown under any bus, it's a friendly fun dinner. He did quite well? He got fucking booed, it made the headlines in the whole world. Hey, here is an exercise for you : see if you can spot the difference: Show nested quote +I don't want it getting out of this room but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. But I have had a few glimpses of this man at his best. And I admire his great skill, energy, and determination.
It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he has made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African-American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many corridors. and Show nested quote +Hillary is so corrupt she got kicked off the Watergate Commission. How corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission? Pretty corrupt He also got laughs, applause, whistles, and cheers. You're caught in a vortex. It's a lighthearted dinner, not everything is the latest chapter in "lol Drumpf BTFO."
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On October 23 2016 01:17 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 20:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote: He did quite well, if you go by all the people laughing. Only lost the crowd for the about 3 minutes when he was going for the jugular. Hillary didn't have the same kind of highs, whether because she had to go after or whatever reason. But nobody was thrown under any bus, it's a friendly fun dinner. He did quite well? He got fucking booed, it made the headlines in the whole world. Hey, here is an exercise for you : see if you can spot the difference: I don't want it getting out of this room but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. But I have had a few glimpses of this man at his best. And I admire his great skill, energy, and determination.
It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he has made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African-American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many corridors. and Hillary is so corrupt she got kicked off the Watergate Commission. How corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission? Pretty corrupt He also got laughs, applause, whistles, and cheers. You're caught in a vortex. It's a lighthearted dinner, not everything is the latest chapter in "lol Drumpf BTFO." your heart just isn't in this anymore
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On October 23 2016 01:21 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 01:17 oBlade wrote:On October 22 2016 20:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote: He did quite well, if you go by all the people laughing. Only lost the crowd for the about 3 minutes when he was going for the jugular. Hillary didn't have the same kind of highs, whether because she had to go after or whatever reason. But nobody was thrown under any bus, it's a friendly fun dinner. He did quite well? He got fucking booed, it made the headlines in the whole world. Hey, here is an exercise for you : see if you can spot the difference: I don't want it getting out of this room but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. But I have had a few glimpses of this man at his best. And I admire his great skill, energy, and determination.
It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he has made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African-American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many corridors. and Hillary is so corrupt she got kicked off the Watergate Commission. How corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission? Pretty corrupt He also got laughs, applause, whistles, and cheers. You're caught in a vortex. It's a lighthearted dinner, not everything is the latest chapter in "lol Drumpf BTFO." your heart just isn't in this anymore Must be too busy with my brain.
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