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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States21790 Posts
On August 26 2014 14:50 Souma wrote: Never thought I'd actually be inclined to agree with an xDaunt simplification of an issue. Yeah it's making me feel funny inside... that or I'm having a stroke..........Nope not a stroke | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41087 Posts
To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations. A new report released the week after 18-year old Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson helps explain why. ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the "illegal and harmful practices" of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don't pay. The report singles out courts in three communities, including Ferguson. Thomas Harvey, who started the organization to provide legal services to the poor in the St. Louis region and is the lead author of the report, says residents, especially in Ferguson, have come to see the use of fines and fees as a way for courts to collect money from residents who are often the least able to pay. "Folks have the impression that this is a form of low-level harassment that isn't about public safety. It's about money," he says. The ArchCity Defenders report argues that this resentment is justified. Last year, Ferguson collected $2.6 million in court fines and fees. It was the city's second-biggest source of income of the $20 million it collected in revenues. Source | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
But, that's on the long list of government reforms we need. | ||
aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 26 2014 12:14 Introvert wrote: DACA is an excellent example of the fact that Obama really doesn't want to send anyone home. I've gone over the numbers on deportations and the like before with GreenHorizons, but the gist is that fun spins of language make things more difficult to discern. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-megathread?page=1142#22833 Additionally: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/ http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations I have to admit, Obama's played quite the game. Immigrant groups whine he deports too much, conservatives complain it's too little. So again, you're not angry with his border security, but with the fact that he isn't deporting enough. It's not a matter about the border, it's a matter on immigrants already here. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41087 Posts
States that have legalized marijuana for medical use have lower rates of prescription painkiller overdose deaths than states that have not, new research suggests. In a study published Monday in the latest issue of JAMA Internal Medicine, researchers found that although overdose deaths from opioid painkillers -- like OxyContin, Percocet and Vicodin -- have increased in the U.S. over the course of the last decade, they were 25 percent lower in states that implemented medical marijuana laws than other states. The reason for the association was unclear. The study was led by researchers from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Medical Center. "Prescription drug abuse and deaths due to overdose have emerged as national public health crises," Colleen L. Barry, senior author of the study and associate professor in the health policy and management department at the Bloomberg School, said in a statement. "As our awareness of the addiction and overdose risks associated with use of opioid painkillers such as Oxycontin and Vicodin grows, individuals with chronic pain and their medical providers may be opting to treat pain entirely or in part with medical marijuana, in states where this is legal." The researchers used death certificate data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to determine the rate of opioid overdose deaths between 1999 and 2010 in all 50 states. They then took a close look at the states that had implemented medical marijuana laws during that same period. By 1999, only three states had enacted medical marijuana laws -- California in 1996, and Oregon and Washington in 1998. By 2010, 10 more states had also passed medical cannabis laws. Nine additional states have legalized medical marijuana since 2010, but those states were not examined, as they were beyond the scope of the study date range. The study reveals that states with legal medical marijuana had a 24.8 percent lower annual average painkiller overdose death rate than states without those laws. It also shows that in the years following the legalization of medical cannabis, the association was stronger over time -- in the first year of legalizing medical cannabis, painkiller overdose deaths were nearly 20 percent lower in states with the laws than without, and nearly 34 percent lower five years later, on average. Source | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21790 Posts
In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots. Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four. "I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up." Too bad the police still haven't given their side of what happened so we could compare (like how many times the officer fired). Alleged audio: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/ | ||
Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On the Canadian side of things: Political leader leaves doors unlocked. Drunk teen wanders in at night. Nothing get taken, note left advising to lock doors. Police investigate. Teen goes "sorry bro I was drunk." Victim goes "np bro" Police go "it's all good" Source | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Canadian just has so much land and so few people it's all small towns. | ||
Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:58 zlefin wrote: That can happen in US too; in small towns typically. Maybe in quiet neighborhoods too; but mostly in small towns. Canadian just has so much land and so few people it's all small towns. Yeah, the best part is it was that the victim was basically the Canadian equivalent of Mitt Romney. | ||
Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:58 zlefin wrote: That can happen in US too; in small towns typically. Maybe in quiet neighborhoods too; but mostly in small towns. Canadian just has so much land and so few people it's all small towns. I'm honestly not sure my girlfriend's house, or any within a 100 mile radius of it, even HAS a functioning lcok. | ||
Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:36 Wolfstan wrote: Context as to why the tensions in Ferguson and police militarization is such a foreign concept to me. On the Canadian side of things: Political leader leaves doors unlocked. Drunk teen wanders in at night. Nothing get taken, note left advising to lock doors. Police investigate. Teen goes "sorry bro I was drunk." Victim goes "np bro" Police go "it's all good" Source Yes, police never get too out of hand in Canada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Police_Service#Controversies_and_allegations_of_misconduct So let me correct Wolstan. When white bros encounter white cops in white Canada, chances of white bros getting brutalized are relatively minimal. When white cops encounter black or brown Canadians, chances are of getting brutalized increased. | ||
Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
Black community: "you shot 8 blacks in 4 years, you are worse than LA" Police: "officers were acquitted, a little sensationalist no?" Black community: "it's OK bros, just jumping on the Rodney King thing, reforms might be a good idea though" Police: "We can be accountable to all citizens of all colours, seems reasonable." ........ 22 years later ........ Sub40APM: "Black bros get brutalized all the time" Wolfstan: "That was 22 years ago homie, we are chill up here. | ||
ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/backups-for-missing-lois-lerner-irs-emails/ I guess they stalled enough to remove all the offending emails. | ||
Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 27 2014 07:07 Wolfstan wrote: That can be paraphrased as: Black community: "you shot 8 blacks in 4 years, you are worse than LA" Police: "officers were acquitted, a little sensationalist no?" Black community: "it's OK bros, just jumping on the Rodney King thing, reforms might be a good idea though" Police: "We can be accountable to all citizens of all colours, seems reasonable." ........ 22 years later ........ Sub40APM: "Black bros get brutalized all the time" Wolfstan: "That was 22 years ago homie, we are chill up here. the latest Toronto police shooting of a dark person was last year | ||
Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
The treating of coloured folk found to be acceptable, inquiry and reforms about how to deal with mentally ill on deck. Changes should happen like this, working as intended. | ||
KwarK
United States40776 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:58 zlefin wrote: That can happen in US too; in small towns typically. Maybe in quiet neighborhoods too; but mostly in small towns. Canadian just has so much land and so few people it's all small towns. Most small town Americans I've spoken to say that if they hear anyone near their house at night it's gun time. | ||
aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 27 2014 07:27 ElMeanYo wrote: Remember all those 'missing' IRS Lerner emails? Looks like it was a lies: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/backups-for-missing-lois-lerner-irs-emails/ I guess they stalled enough to remove all the offending emails. Sensationalist news organization with a blatant right I'll wait until they actually appear. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 27 2014 08:03 KwarK wrote: Most small town Americans I've spoken to say that if they hear anyone near their house at night it's gun time. Guns for defense of home and family. I see no problem checking out possible intruder in the yard or house while armed. I doubt these small down residents are brandishing their firearms at people walking down the sidewalk. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 27 2014 08:59 aksfjh wrote: Sensationalist news organization with a blatant right I'll wait until they actually appear. Claiming the emails were lost and irrecoverable before House committees, investigators, and (previously) the inspector general is a big difference from backups exist but recovery is time consuming. This could very well be an obstruction of justice. But if this presents no problem for you, perhaps Nixon goofed and should've claimed that the lost 18.5 minutes were lost and then changed his story to they were backed up in some large warehouse too big to sort through. Surely then it would just be sensationalist, biased media who would continue the investigation. | ||
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