What is this logic I can't even
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ticklishmusic
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What is this logic I can't even | ||
Doublemint
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zlefin
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GreenHorizons
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xM(Z
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or, OR: i just assume they're bitching because they didn't get in/didn't get their share/their cut, are not on the payroll yet. | ||
ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
Where are all the conservative states-rights activists now? | ||
farvacola
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ZasZ.
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On December 20 2014 01:31 farvacola wrote: This just goes to show you that the number of "principled" conservatives who have actually adopted a substantive position in furtherance of states' rights pales in comparison with those have used the concept as nothing more than a vehicle for their political agenda. This is not to say that the same dynamic doesn't take place with liberals, but I think there's a good bit of history in support of the notion that states' rights, as a concept, is almost always a placeholder for some other political belief. The US is clearly in need of another Daniel Webster. I think you have it backwards. Rather than using states' rights as a placeholder for a political agenda, they seem to suspend their belief of states' rights in order to pursue a political agenda. They're all for small government until they need the big, bad fed to intervene and prevent gays from getting married, women from getting abortions, or people from smoking weed in their free time. If there were a Republican candidate that was fiscally conservative AND actually believed in small government and states' rights without being bullied by the religious far-right, I may actually vote for them. But it seems like those people don't exist and that party will be forever poisoned by the far right. I'm pretty lukewarm on Obama's presidency, but it speaks volumes that I still think I made the right call in 2008 and 2012...Republican candidates have been so much worse. | ||
farvacola
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Texas is the only real exception, and it's its own ball of wax. | ||
Wolfstan
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JonnyBNoHo
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On December 19 2014 20:36 GreenHorizons wrote: Bipartisan bill that won't cost tax payers a dime AKA: Dead on arrival.... Guy couldn't even be there to object himself... + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0JDrlVNIBw&feature=youtu.be Has Warren actually done anything productive? All I ever hear out of her is hyperbole mixed with lies. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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IgnE
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On December 20 2014 01:55 ZasZ. wrote: I think you have it backwards. Rather than using states' rights as a placeholder for a political agenda, they seem to suspend their belief of states' rights in order to pursue a political agenda. They're all for small government until they need the big, bad fed to intervene and prevent gays from getting married, women from getting abortions, or people from smoking weed in their free time. If there were a Republican candidate that was fiscally conservative AND actually believed in small government and states' rights without being bullied by the religious far-right, I may actually vote for them. But it seems like those people don't exist and that party will be forever poisoned by the far right. I'm pretty lukewarm on Obama's presidency, but it speaks volumes that I still think I made the right call in 2008 and 2012...Republican candidates have been so much worse. Farv is right. All too often advocates for states' rights are all too often just advocates for devolution of power to corporations and massive property holders, who find the wholesale buying up of state legislatures easier than fighting against other interest groups at the federal level. | ||
IgnE
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On December 20 2014 04:11 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Has Warren actually done anything productive? All I ever hear out of her is hyperbole mixed with lies. Which part is she lying about? | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
I didn't watch the whole video that GH posted, I'm really tired of her crap at this point. She was full of shit when it came to the derivatives legislation a couple weeks back, and reiterated that line at the start of the clip. Edit: and about her cheekbones | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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JonnyBNoHo
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On December 20 2014 05:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: In other words you don't know but because you are a contrarian you have to. No, in other words her first couple sentences repeated her past lies / BS / whatever you want to call it and I stopped there. But please, don't let anything I write stop you form continually posting articles from the least reputable news sources. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 20 2014 04:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote: I didn't watch the whole video that GH posted, I'm really tired of her crap at this point. She was full of shit when it came to the derivatives legislation a couple weeks back, and reiterated that line at the start of the clip. Edit: and about her cheekbones I like Limbaugh's nickname for her: Fauxcahontas. | ||
GreenHorizons
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Politics really has devolved into an elementary school playground hasn't it? | ||
Mohdoo
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On December 20 2014 07:03 GreenHorizons wrote: I like how people avoided the states rights issue in order to step on Warren. What's wrong with the legislation being proposed...? "No one knows, but look at her cheekbones!" "Yeah she has funny nicknames! tehehe" Politics really has devolved into an elementary school playground hasn't it? Yeah, I was pretty amazed that people were actually taking the time to say those things and that they didn't stop to wonder if it was extremely childish. | ||
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