On July 22 2014 07:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Well to be fair, people in the western world are crazy about dropping uncooked food on the floor.
If I drop something on the ground when I'm making food, I'll pick it up and use it. Nobody will ever get sick from that, it's just the reality, people are just really anal about it.
Like using expired meat isn't going to kill people, it's true, but I don't think people should be like "oh no big deal", like the mentality in this thread is. In depth inspections like these need to happen, because I believe people have the right to know what they are putting into their bodies.
To be honest, you can find much creepier things just walking around in a couple of Chinese restaurant. I have lived in China for six years now and one example is the most popular noodle chain in my city Dalian. The kitchen and the extremely dirty toilet is actually connected, both kitchen and toilet are extremely unsanitary. In addition, I from the smell of the people working in the kitchen who sweat a lot because it's hot, you can tell that they don't wash on a regular basis, so the amount of urine, sweat and germs that goes into these wonderful noodles must be phenomenally high.
This is really 'meh', if you've eaten at any non-fancy restaurants in China, you've probably had it 10x worse.
McD and Yum! restaurants should be held at a high(er) standards given their streamlined nature, but there is only so much you can do and control when you operate in a country with a lower standard of food safety.
On July 22 2014 07:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Well to be fair, people in the western world are crazy about dropping uncooked food on the floor.
If I drop something on the ground when I'm making food, I'll pick it up and use it. Nobody will ever get sick from that, it's just the reality, people are just really anal about it.
Like using expired meat isn't going to kill people, it's true, but I don't think people should be like "oh no big deal", like the mentality in this thread is. In depth inspections like these need to happen, because I believe people have the right to know what they are putting into their bodies.
You can't argue nothing happens because it never happened in your personal experience. In my experience, I've never died.
None of those articles hold, because they discuss the "5 second rule"... Cooking will kill any bacteria if done properly.
Seriously, dropping food on the floor is okay, if:
a) It's about to be frozen b) It's going to be cooked to high internal temperature
You're just being silly with some myths and wasting money if you think otherwise. You will not get sick.
I don't like my pre-cooked stuff being dropped on the floor, but it's not because of bacteria. Stuff that dies when heated to a high temperature is not the only thing that can stick to your food when you drop it.
Bacteria release toxins when they die (endo toxins), so if there's a bit of time between possible contamination and cooking, you can still get a bit sick.
On July 22 2014 07:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Well to be fair, people in the western world are crazy about dropping uncooked food on the floor.
If I drop something on the ground when I'm making food, I'll pick it up and use it. Nobody will ever get sick from that, it's just the reality, people are just really anal about it.
Like using expired meat isn't going to kill people, it's true, but I don't think people should be like "oh no big deal", like the mentality in this thread is. In depth inspections like these need to happen, because I believe people have the right to know what they are putting into their bodies.
You can't argue nothing happens because it never happened in your personal experience. In my experience, I've never died.
None of those articles hold, because they discuss the "5 second rule"... Cooking will kill any bacteria if done properly.
Seriously, dropping food on the floor is okay, if:
a) It's about to be frozen b) It's going to be cooked to high internal temperature
You're just being silly with some myths and wasting money if you think otherwise. You will not get sick.
You will not get sick, but you are not the many. Not everyone has the same digestive system, and there are others that have really sensitive stomaches.
I know people that will get sick quite easily if food isn't prepared adequately.
Fortunately, I have a cast iron stomach. I once ate KFC chicken after it was sitting out for several hours.
I mean they even routinely mixed tons of moldy green expired steak product with other raw sources to make mini patties, it seems that they are doing a good job of it.
That is part of it but with added garbage and waste material. They add leftover animal parts and other fats along with toxic chemicals to process more oil for cheap. That is typically what companies will collect to be processed and sold for industrial use but the "gutter oil" scandal is far worse.
Bacteria is not the only thing that gets on your food when dropped on the floor. There are actual physical objects that since they aren't living things don't die off when you cook them and can be extremely harmful. There are also spores which protect themselves and don't die when frozen or cooked and can "activate" once they are inside your body making you sick or worse. This is especially true for pregnant women, children, the elderly, and people with cancer since they are often more sensitive and likely to get sick from these things.
Even if the only danger you had on it was bacteria from dropping it on the ground, many kinds of bacteria leave behind toxins which are not killed off when cooked and can be extremely dangerous. For example, Staphylococcus is killed off when you cook it but it leaves behind toxins which cause nausea and severe diarrhea.
Also, many foodborne illnesses can take days or even weeks to manifest and are often mistaken for other illnesses since it's hard to remember that you ate that steak that fell off the grill into the dirt two weeks ago. So even if you think you've never gotten sick from it, you probably have.
We have to remember, that this meat is for fast food which isn't only consumed by young, fit, healthy StarCraft fans in their teens or twenties and have immune systems that can handle war with strange contaminants. Many are old, young, sick, stressed, getting medical treatment that lowers their immune systems, or any number of other things that makes them more likely to get sick than you and yours.
On July 22 2014 04:37 Piste wrote: it's naive to think that this doesn't happen. Well guess what, it does, and not only in China. It happens everywhere. Here in Finland (world's 3rd least corrupted country, AAA rated, free healthcare), I worked at this quite large factory that mainly processed meat. The brand is well known and quite respected particularly among elderly. But the same factory does meat products to different brands also, from exactly same products but with a different tag, different prices, lol. Here are few things I remember what happened there: -coocked leftovers were processed and used again in the next patch -meat and sausages that fell on floor were still used -packacking machines had visible dirt and rotten meat on them (even tho they were "cleaned" daily as required) -Once my boss picked up a huge rotten (throughout turned green from the surface) pole of smoked sausage meat straight from carbage can back for processing becouse it was "500 euros worth of meat" -repackaging with new expiry date
So yeah same shit as in the video. Food industry is greedy and evil. But that is quite well known, yet accepted fact. Things I listed doesn't even make me as worried as putting substances with huge skull-warning tags to the products that are made to eat + hiding sugar to almost every edible product to make people addicted to eating.
edit: There is quality monitoring in Finland for the food industry, but it ain't working. During the days we had any outside visitors, we made sure that every corner of the factory was clean and every worker had clean workwear. Normally some of the workers used the same workwear for months.
Of course this happens! It's one of the so called side effects of world wide capitalism. Capitalism makes money more important then anything else. The only goal is the highest profit, what better way to make profit then use cheap (expired) products and sell them as "fresh" fast food. The manager probably got a bonus for the cost reduction he made using the "cheaper" meat................
you need to turn a blind eye to this, it isnt surprising this is happeneing. Too many people, too many mouths to feed, it cant all be as fresh as we would like considering the millions of outlets shops/restaurants/fastfood/supermarkets . . everywhere. its hard to believe there is enough supply as it is.
As long as its safe i think we have to thank modern science and techniques for feeding an ever growing population. Its not what i want to happen and i will avoid most of this stuff anyway but when needs must . . then . . . . . . .
im also with the guy above ive been eating this stuff for 25 years plus and it hasnt killed me y