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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/18/uk-brazil-election-idUKKBN0GI0HJ20140818 Fresh developments that will blow your mind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/brazil-plane-crash_n_5675190.html?utm_hp_ref=world
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/11031779/Brazilian-presidential-candidate-Eduardo-Campos-plane-thought-to-have-crashed-in-Sao-Paulo-state.html
http://rt.com/news/180112-brazil-helicopter-crash-houses/
Brazilian authorities confirmed 7 deaths so far, him included.
RIP Eduardo Campos, I was not specially fond of him, and was not going to vote for him, but I feel his death is a great loss not only to the democratic process, but to Brazil as a whole as he was a great politician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Campos
SAO PAULO, Aug 13 (Reuters) - A private jet carrying candidate Eduardo Campos, who is running third in polls ahead of Brazil's October presidential election, crashed on Wednesday in the city of Santos, according to a source in Campos's political party.
The plane, a Cessna 560XL, lost contact with air traffic control as it was preparing to land, according to an Air Force statement. Television images showed smoke billowing from the crash site in a residential area of Santos.
A police official in Santos said there were "certainly" fatalities in the crash, but could not say how many or provide any additional information.
Campos, 49, is a former governor of northeastern Pernambuco state who had the support of about 10 percent of voters in recent polls. He has positioned himself as a business-friendly leftist and was a former ally of President Dilma Rousseff, who is seeking a second term.
The Brazilian Socialist Party source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Campos' running mate, Marina Silva, was not on board the plane. (Reporting by Brazil newsroom, writing by Brian Winter; editing by Todd Benson, G Crosse)
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so where is the dirt?, who killed him?, why? ...
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On August 14 2014 02:03 xM(Z wrote: so where is the dirt?, who killed him?, why? ...
Maybe it was just a crash? Its not unthinkable that important people can die in accidents just like normal people; we shouldn't rush to conclusions. Anyway there wouldn't be much of a motivation for someone who only received 10% of the votes in recent polls (from the OP's quote).
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Maybe this will be like a new age Getulio Vargas, except less suicide.
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This isnt even remotelly close to Getulio Vargas, and there is no real reason to believe it was anything more than another accident.
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Sad to hear, hope there is more info on the crash to know exactly what happened.
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On August 14 2014 03:09 SKC wrote: This isnt even remotelly close to Getulio Vargas, and there is no real reason to believe it was anything more than another accident. I was being sarcastic.
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Well, im happy to speculate, as long as people understand this is more in the realm of conspiracy theories.
There are two major partys in brasil atm, PT (Workers Party), and PSDB (Social Democrats).
PT is in power atm, they have a bad reputation for being underhanded and shaddy, some of the party leaders were arrested just this year after a 10 year long trial and they lost a ton of the luster they had in the lula days. Many people believe PT will do whatever it takes to remain in power because they have been so corrupt that leaving it would ammount to many investigations that would basically ruin the party forever. (Altho this has some truth to it, its a big exageration imo).
Also, campos, has put Marina Silva as his vice candidate, she has a reputation for being honest, she broke with PT when the first corruption scandals emerged and is heavily envolved in the green party. She appealed to a demographic neither party could, she is the true 10% and has been for 5 years now.
Problem for her is that the green party was weak, and could not muster any kind of decent presidential campaign, she tried creating her own party but the government passed some laws ultra fucking fast restricting the creation of new partys in a way she sould not be allowed to run if on her new party.
She then allied herself with campos, he is from a party called PSB, basically brasilian socialist party, and as you can see by his wiki, he is very competent and well liked by those who have lived under his administration. Toghether they were the anti establishment candidates, doing a campaign that was more honest, transparent and appealing, they as the underdogs were forced to walk the walk more than the other candidates and were growing in the public perception steadily.
The 10% Marina has wouldnt matter much, if not by the fact that before she broke with PT, PT had 10% more votes! In PT's perception (some ppl claim), she "stole" their votes and betrayed them, and this could be some sort of payback, since she doesnt have nearly the same kind of relationship with PSB that she had with campos, and therefore their whole presidential bid suffers an overwhelming blow, as PSB doesnt want president marina, and marina would be offended at this point if they put someone else with terrible visibility to be the frontrunner and keep her second just to score the votes.
The middle class in special, has suffered a lot in Brazil with extremelly high taxes and arcane bureacracy, they supported putting PT in power on the premisse that it was the party of change, of a peoples govt and of a fresh start with no corruption.
Wrong they were, PT is just like any other, maybe a bit more incompetent, and as it showed, those in the middle class who dared vote for them felt betrayed, if not outright idiots. Meanwhile the govt invested heavily in what some people consider "handouts" basically, foodstamps programs, easy credit to buy houses on state banks, etc.. etc...
While focusing heavily on these populist measures, the govt started doing colossal infrastructure projects that were grossly overpriced and super delayed, inflation is coming back, our growth is stagnating and people can see there is no real plan besides keep the money flowing and the votes coming our way from PT.
PSDB on the other hand is the party that fixed the countries economy, its the party that has, well fwiw, most behaved like a true party on a democratic country, with their scandals and their merits, they had their chance to do good, they did, and stole a bit, but mostly they did good when they had the power. Many people part of the older middle class (ton of people did get out of poverty thro the "handouts") are very very strongly pro PSDB, seeing it as a right vs left dispute, with left being the usual cliche of high taxes, incompetence, big govt, etc. etc. And PSDB is on the right of these issues.
Thus, PSDB is somewhat like the republican party, if they completely ignored all social issues and just focused on the economy... and had a sane people only allowed policy.
Because of this background, amognst the poor, PSDB got the reputation of being a party that caters to the interests of the rich and the wealthy, a party that is gonna privatize everything and throw thousands of govt employees (one of the safest jobs on the earth, you can actually not go 50% of the time and not get fired) on the street... and the vast masses of brazilians truth be told love a handout, they love a shaddy deal, they get pissed when they are not the ones on the receiving end.
Thus, a sentiment was born among the disenfranchised that the wealthy and the middle class are out to get them, and only PT is saving them. PT embraced its populist role and actively did just that to the detriment of the long term economical growth and stability.
Today the middle class is pretty divided between PSDB and PT, more people are Anti-PSDB or Anti-PT than pro anything but usually those anti-psdb people act as if PT is better because PSDB are a bunch of neoliberals who are gonna sell our country to the gringos, while the anti-PT people act as if anyone voting for them is a mindless drone either fond of corruption or too ignorant/dependant on handouts to be able to vote right.
Right now, most people who have Anti-PT leanings (which includes a big ammount of the people who are former PT supporters and strongly anti-psdb) are going full on apeship conspiracy mode claiming this benefits Dilma because the people who vote for Marina are so anti-psdb that they would rather vote for Dilma than Aecio. And Dilma is so inept in front of the cameras that any time reduction on the electoral process (like winning on the first round) is a huge victory for her, as she can blunder her lead away anytime.
Me personally I think its quite unlikely that it was done by the govt, could have govt ppl involved but they would not be serving Dilmas purpose, everyone naturally is casting suspicion towards the govt, and PSDB can only enjoy a huge boost in votes as they are not the only opposition capable of defeating the govt, if anyone is benefitting from it its them, and if there is guilt to blame, its usually the guy with the biggest ammount of reasons to do something.
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So will the Socialist Party field another candidate?
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On August 17 2014 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So will the Socialist Party field another candidate?
This is the important thing to speculate on. Building a candidacy takes a lot of time and effort. In the US you don't start 3 months before the elections you have to really focus on it a year or two in advance. With elections in October I don't see how they'll be able to get a strong candidate.
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On August 14 2014 02:03 xM(Z wrote: so where is the dirt?, who killed him?, why? ...
The Donetsk rebels fired the missile from what I heard.
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The vice president candidate will take over. He wasnt really a strong candidate anyway, it will likely not change much.
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Wrong we were SKC! According to current projections Dilma has 30something, She has 21ish and Aecio has 20%
Going towards a second round, she beats Dilma easily. So as of yet, Marina Silva is projected to win the Brazilian elections.
I cant believe this is real life.
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Could be just the immediate reaction from the accident. But my comment was mostly towards the guy that said the party couldn't have a strong candidate by October, It couldn't get much worse. It being beneficial makes sense, with the huge exposure and more simpathy towards the party, it's not like a lot of people really care all that much about who they vote for. But yeah, I didn't expect it to be this big. I still think in the end it should die down a bit, but there's it is pretty close to October.
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