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This is ridiculous...another cop shooting another african american man...I don't really know how or why I would paraphrase this article...here it is, didn't see it posted, and thought people should know.
NEW YORK (AP) - A rookie police officer walking with his gun drawn in a darkened stairwell of a crime-ridden public housing complex accidentally shot and killed a man who was leaving the building with his girlfriend, authorities said Friday.
"What happened last night was a very unfortunate tragedy," Police Commissioner William Bratton said. "The deceased is totally innocent. He just happened to be in the hallway. He was not engaged in any criminal activity."
The shooting of 28-year-old Akai Gurley, who was unarmed, occurred late Thursday night as 26-year-old Officer Peter Liang and another rookie officer patrolled the Louis Pink Houses in Brooklyn's gritty East New York neighborhood.
The New York Police Department assigns rookie officers as reinforcements in parts of the city that have seen increases in crime. The housing project, where Gurley's girlfriend lives, was the scene of a recent shooting, robberies and assaults.
The officers had descended onto an eighth-floor landing when, 14 steps away, Gurley and his girlfriend had opened a door into the seventh-floor landing after giving up their wait for the elevator so he could head to the lobby. The lights were burned out in the stairwell, leaving it "pitch black" and prompting both officers to use flashlights, Bratton said.
Liang, for reasons unclear, also had his gun drawn, police said. He was about 10 feet from Gurley when, without a word and apparently by accident, he fired a shot, police said. In general, officers have discretion on whether to draw their weapons based on what they are encountering or believe they may encounter, Bratton said. Gurley's girlfriend, Melissa Butler, told the Daily News she was walking him out of her seventh-floor apartment after braiding his hair when the shooting happened. "He didn't do nothing wrong," Butler said. "He was just standing there, and they shot him."
She and Gurley made it down two flights of stairs after he was shot, but he collapsed on the fifth-floor landing and lost consciousness, she said. Gurley was taken to a nearby hospital, where he died, police said. Gurley's stepfather, Kenneth Palmer, said officials called his relatives in Jacksonville, Florida, to notify them of the death. "What's hitting me on the head right now is how it happened," Palmer said. "The mood I'm in is pissed off."
Gurley's sister and his daughter's mother, who is not his girlfriend, were to speak Saturday at the Harlem headquarters of the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network.
Police officials pieced together the details of the shooting from radio reports and interviews with the girlfriend and the second officer, but they said they have not spoken to Liang. The officer must first be interviewed by the district attorney's office, which will decide whether to file criminal charges, before internal affairs officers can question him, a standard policy.
The shooting comes at a time when the NYPD, the nation's biggest police department, is changing how rookie officers are used fresh out of the academy to give them more training and time with more senior officers. It also reinforced what some critics say are long-ignored maintenance problems in public housing, including poor lighting. Public housing employees walked around the buildings Friday with a shopping cart full of light strips and fixed all the lights on the staircase.
The president of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, Patrick J. Lynch, said the complex is among the most dangerous in the city and the stairwells are the most dangerous places in public housing.
State Assemblyman-elect Charles Barron, whose district includes the complex, expressed doubt the shooting was accidental.
"This young man should be alive today," he said. "This is ridiculous." The shooting recalled a 2004 incident in which 19-year-old Timothy Stansbury was shot dead by a startled officer on a Brooklyn rooftop of a housing complex. His family got a $2 million settlement with the city.
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Source : http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/21/unarmed-man-killed-by-police-in-ny-housing-complex/20997592/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec1_lnk1&pLid=568873
This is so ridiculous, this seems to be happening more and more....I feel like it is becoming more and more common....what do you guys think...
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Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen.
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Only if your sentiment is to shoot first and ask questions afterwards.
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There is no reason for a police officer having low visibility, with the high quality hand held torches that are out these days.
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Lets not get out of hand here with the grand generalizations. I would really like to see larger scale stats (which are hard to get) for these type of things before you start saying "they seem to be occurring more and more" by which you mean "the media is hyping them recently so you actually hear about a few cases that get to be high profile".
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Was an accident, but he needs to be criminally charged for it. Don't think it's really related to the other police shootings though, given none of those were claimed to be accidents.
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NY is a bad place to be a minority and/or poor. He probably expected to get stopped and frisked (for no reason) on a typical night out with his gf but shot in his own hallway, probably not.
Can't imagine how it's not manslaughter? Well besides offering the family cash not to press charges.
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On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen.
WHAT THE FUCK?!?
Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years.
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On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol
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On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol
If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen.
I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL.
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Not going to lie slightly relieved the cop is Asian.
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On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL. LOL that isn't even close to equivalent...
there's a reason home owners accidently shoot family members when they think an intruder is in their house.. they're jumpy as shit, it's dark and they're scared just like this cop appears to have been.
a girl getting assaulted on purpose by a criminal is not an accident
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On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL. "Whoops, I accidentally assaulted this girl due to hazardous circumstances!" -Rapist
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On November 22 2014 16:44 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL. LOL that isn't even close to equivalent... there's a reason home owners accidently shoot family members when they think an intruder is in their house.. they're jumpy as shit, it's dark and they're scared just like this cop appears to have been. a girl getting assaulted on purpose by a criminal is not an accident
Well a home intruder is not looking to kill someone, and as such, logic dictates that trying to shoot an intruder the second you see a dark figure isn't logical. I've heard of such cases, but must be pretty uncommon between the educated.
If the area is one that a cop is legitimately fearing for his life at every moment, it simply should not be patrolled, period. Another way to go about keeping that place crime free is required. And again, any intelligent person would know not to patrol an area like that, and so, if the NYPD approves it, I'm quite sure they have enough brains to not put their police officers into such danger.
Anyway, however you look at it, it can only be seen as a huge failure of the police department and said individual. Luckily I don't live in the US, but I feel for the US citizen that these seem to be relatively uncommon occurrences.
And again, many are doubting it was accidental, so either it was really poor training and mental strength of the rookie, or the NYPD not preparing officers properly.
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On November 22 2014 16:44 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL. LOL that isn't even close to equivalent... there's a reason home owners accidently shoot family members when they think an intruder is in their house.. they're jumpy as shit, it's dark and they're scared just like this cop appears to have been. a girl getting assaulted on purpose by a criminal is not an accident
This isn't an accident either, and if it is, it is purely due to poor judgement of the police officer to put himself in that situation. Poor judgement is not an accident, it's lack of due diligence. I don't think my analogy is too far-fetched.
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On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL.
There is a difference between going out and, with intent, shooting someone or raping a girl or negligently shooting someone because you were scared/made a mistake/whatever. So it´s not justified by beeing an accident. it´s just an accident.
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On November 22 2014 16:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 16:44 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 16:41 Shebuha wrote:On November 22 2014 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 22 2014 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: Rookie cop, project housing that is known for high crime rate with poor maintenance leading to low visibility. It's an accident waiting to happen. WHAT THE FUCK?!? Holy shit, sorry about the caps, but holy shit, you think that justifies anything? Geez, with that logic everything is an accident waiting to happen. Cannot believe you'd respond like that as someone who's been around teamliquid for a couple years. take a chill pill bruh lol If this is an accident waiting to happen, then a girl getting raped every time she goes outside after 9pm is an accident waiting to happen. I just... bleh, I don't expect such ignorant views from frequent users of TL. LOL that isn't even close to equivalent... there's a reason home owners accidently shoot family members when they think an intruder is in their house.. they're jumpy as shit, it's dark and they're scared just like this cop appears to have been. a girl getting assaulted on purpose by a criminal is not an accident This isn't an accident either, and if it is, it is purely due to poor judgement of the police officer to put himself in that situation. Poor judgement is not an accident, it's lack of due diligence. I don't think my analogy is too far-fetched. Being negligent doesn't mean it's not an accident. If a driver is speeding and kills someone, it is still an accident. Yes, the speeding driver was being negligent, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't an accident. The driver didn't mean to hurt anyone, but he did, by his negligence, end up causing an accident that caused a death.
And just like the driver, this officer MAY have been negligent. I can't say that I wouldn't pull out my gun if was in a dark, dangerous area. Buy regardless of who, if anyone, was negligent, claiming that it was not an accident is like saying that the speeding driver meant to kill someone when he decided to speed. It's highly speculative and unlikely that this officer entered the area with the intent to kill someone.
In conclusion, this was most likely an accident. However, that doesn't mean that mistakes weren't made. But maybe the officer was instructed by a superior to patrol the area. Maybe gunshots were reported coming from the building. Maybe the officer was frightened by stories of violent assault in the area. We don't know all of the facts, so it's not justifiable to claim to know for certain that the police officer had malicious intent.
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Whether it's an 'accident' or not has a lot to do with what definition you are intending.
Levels of negligence and the avoidability of the outcome are parts of such considerations.
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