Personally I don't think it's OK to be fat.. But you know what, what anyone does with their life is their call, not mine.
But to say someone shouldn't get equal right 'cos of their weight.. that's clearly unfair in a pretty big way.
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
Personally I don't think it's OK to be fat.. But you know what, what anyone does with their life is their call, not mine. But to say someone shouldn't get equal right 'cos of their weight.. that's clearly unfair in a pretty big way. | ||
Lucumo
6850 Posts
On December 19 2014 03:58 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2014 03:38 Lucumo wrote: On December 18 2014 23:33 SC2Toastie wrote: IMO obesity as a result of a lack of discipline (like my fat arse is) should not be protected by law in a working environment. Obesity as a result of a disease or medication should be protected. Pretty much this. Just because people in general get fatter and fatter because of unhealthy diet and lack of exercises, doesn't mean the laws need to be changed. You're wrong, the law needs to be changed. The law as it was said nothing about the issue. The law needs to say the right things. Of course fat people should have some level of protection, its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. You're advocating a society where if you are fat, you can be sacked from your job with no explanation or prior warning. There has to be some level of protection, and it has to be put into place with care so people are encouraged to get fit without completely trampling all over their rights. A company should have the right to refuse to hire people who are too unfit to do the job. They shouldn't have the right to say "Today we're going to be sacking all of the fat people" and go ahead and do it. Be careful not to go down the road of demonizing fat people in general. Everyone has weaknesses, but some are easier to hide. They shouldn't have some level of protection, just because they are fat. They should be treated like all the other "normal" people. If I was an employer and I had fat people working in my company, I would examine what exactly they do. Like if they have to keep moving around etc and can't properly do that because they are too fat, I would totally sack them. If they have to take a break because they are out of breath, that's perfectly legitimate, in my opinion. If they have an office job, then it wouldn't matter. (Not taking into account any benefits, like free gym etc at my company. Encouraging someone is one thing, not properly working is another.) Also, if the person is fat because of medical reasons and the like, that's a different matter. I still wouldn't take them for a position that involves moving around a lot. It's the same as not taking someone who can't lift any heavy weight(isn't allowed to) for a job in a warehouse. | ||
Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Having laws in place is really odd to me, because in the cases where I imagine it would apply, you're making employers take on fat people into jobs which they can't do as well as others. Unless this is more to protect employers who have personal bias against fat people, I really can't see the reason for it. | ||
ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41071 Posts
On December 19 2014 04:06 fruity. wrote: People have the right to be treated equally regardless of their weight, to say otherwise is a slippery road leading to ignorance and stupidity. Personally I don't think it's OK to be fat.. But you know what, what anyone does with their life is their call, not mine. But to say someone shouldn't get equal right 'cos of their weight.. that's clearly unfair in a pretty big way. Until is starts impacting others because of your lack of self control then demanding special treatment while under the guise of being treated equal. For example Airline seats, medical care and costs etc. | ||
Foblos
United States426 Posts
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B.I.G.
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51319 Posts
The European Court of Justice was asked to consider the case of a male childminder in Denmark who says he was sacked for being too fat European Court of Justice where terrorists get human rights and immigration is cheered at. How can something which can be "stopped" aka overeating being obese not exercising whatever be classified as a disability is beyond my understanding. Oh well lets see what European law gets made from this farce. | ||
SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5257 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2169 Posts
Now on the disability part. If you are fat because you are lazy\eat junk, then no, the government shouldn't give you anything or anyone needs to have any consideration for you. Its the way you choose to be so if that gets you problems, deal with them. However if you are fat because an illness\other medical stuff, then yeah, people should help you, you didn't choose to be that way. | ||
SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On December 22 2014 18:32 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Even if it is a disability, I don't think it would be discriminatory. I mean if a fat person can't do their job correctly because they are fat, I think its OK to fire them because they can't do their job correctly cause they are fat. I mean if I go and ask to play on a professional basketball team and they reject me because I'm too short and non athletic that I wouldnt "do my job correctly" are they being discriminatory? No, its the same case as this. Now on the disability part. If you are fat because you are lazy\eat junk, then no, the government shouldn't give you anything or anyone needs to have any consideration for you. Its the way you choose to be so if that gets you problems, deal with them. However if you are fat because an illness\other medical stuff, then yeah, people should help you, you didn't choose to be that way. I kinda agree with you, but remember that we live in a world where wives of smokers who died from lung cancer sue the tobacco companies and win the cause because 'the product is harmful' o.o | ||
inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
Im med student looking to be a trauma surgeon or general surgeon. Laparotomy on an obese person is a nightmare to be honest so please keep your BMI atleast around 25 or so The staff at the hospital usually sees being obese as a condition not a disease and it makes surgeons job a lot harder than it should be. Have not talked to any cardiologist about this, but i think they do not like how much job they have at the moment because of this plague of obese people. cals in < cals out! | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
Now if we are talking about discrimination, then yes there is discrimination against fat people. Some people are disgusted by fat people and won't hire/will fire you because of that and that is wrong, but to say they are disabled because of that is stupid. | ||
govie
9334 Posts
Examples: 1) First time jogging and i get shintsplints. 2) Fine ill go bicycling but my condition is pretty poor at the start and my butt hurts so bad because 17kg is pressing down my bunghole so hard. I cant go further then 30 miles at the first couple of tries. 3) So, i go jogging next day to not put to much stress on the bunghole but my condition is so bad i dont lift my feet enough and fall on the sidewalk, stressing out my shoulders on impact. I feel rocky (but not italian stallion) 4) No more snacks, changing patterns is freaking hard. Etcetcetc. I am convinced that being fat does (partly) disable to a certain extent yes because i cant do alot of activities anymore like not overweight people do. | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On December 22 2014 19:43 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I feel like this topic has been talked about a lot in a different, older thread. I'm certain of it, although it's possible it was mainly in the general Health and Nutrition thread or whatever it's called. In that thread we mostly discuss weight lifting and sports. I do remember a couple extreme weight loss stories with 100+ pounds in weight lose. | ||
ComaDose
Canada10343 Posts
if the <anything> of the worker "hinders the full and effective participation of that person in professional life on an equal basis with other workers", then <anything> can fall within the concept of "disability" I strongly disagree with this statement. What about being an alcoholic etc. If something if preventing someone from performing a job as well as someone else it then becomes an issue of if it is a lifestyle-choice vs something that they can't control. many things "hinder the full and effective participation of that person" that are not disabilities. Showing up hung-over makes you feel disabled for the day but it's not a defense for your eligibility. I believe that operating at an extreme caloric surplus isn't something beyond ones control. If his weight was not affecting his job and he was fired because he was fat then it is definitely discrimination. | ||
Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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