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On January 16 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote: Targeting Police seems new? I wonder if that is somehow related to whats been going on in the US. Maybe they figured out targeting civilians in the west made it harder to recruit. Probably a lot easier to turn people so they act against police rather than people's stores that they shop at and such? Targetting the police in France is at least 20 years old - it's older than the islamisation of the poorest neighborhoods in France. The police in those place are a major problem (racist practice, animosity with the population). For exemple, in the movie "La Haine" (1995) that greatly describe such neighborhoods, the kids already target cops (way before the rise of Islam).
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On January 17 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote: Targeting Police seems new? I wonder if that is somehow related to whats been going on in the US. Maybe they figured out targeting civilians in the west made it harder to recruit. Probably a lot easier to turn people so they act against police rather than people's stores that they shop at and such? For exemplen, in the movie "La Haine" (1995) that greatly describe such neighborhoods, the kids already target cops. This is a powerful movie, highly recommended!
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On January 17 2015 01:07 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote: Targeting Police seems new? I wonder if that is somehow related to whats been going on in the US. Maybe they figured out targeting civilians in the west made it harder to recruit. Probably a lot easier to turn people so they act against police rather than people's stores that they shop at and such? Targetting the police in France is at least 20 years old - it's older than the islamisation of the poorest neighborhoods in France. The police in those place are a major problem (racist practice, animosity with the population). For exemplen, in the movie "La Haine" (1995) that greatly describe such neighborhoods, the kids already target cops. Actually the same problem with police patrolling in the poorer neighbourhoods in Belgium too.
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First time ever I've seen someone describing police patrolling as 'a major problem'.
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On January 17 2015 05:36 SoSexy wrote: First time ever I've seen someone describing police patrolling as 'a major problem'.
You don't hear much about the police, do you? Stop and frisk was a huge problem in the US and still is in a few precincts.
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On January 17 2015 05:36 SoSexy wrote: First time ever I've seen someone describing police patrolling as 'a major problem'. I don't know where you live but it must be a pretty calm place then.
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taking into account the amount of privacies broken all over the world in order to achieve this temporary and dramatic victory, pretty sure terrorists win
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you trying to be snarky here? there's a difference between basically no more innocent until proven guilty - because that's the kind of paradigm shift mass surveillance of everything and everyone manages to do - and spying on certain potentially dangerous groups or individuals.
if you don't get that, well... I don't know what to tell you.
hm, maybe I do. maybe china is not the only one doing industrial espionage. at least they are honest enough to break the front door. not come under the guise of "terrorist win if you don't listen to the wisdom of us checking on you - for your own good".
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On January 17 2015 05:45 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 05:36 SoSexy wrote: First time ever I've seen someone describing police patrolling as 'a major problem'. I don't know where you live but it must be a pretty calm place then.
These places do still exist.
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On January 17 2015 06:23 Doublemint wrote: you trying to be snarky here? there's a difference between basically no more innocent until proven guilty - because that's the kind of paradigm shift mass surveillance of everything and everyone manages to do - and spying on certain potentially dangerous groups or individuals.
if you don't get that, well... I don't know what to tell you.
hm, maybe I do. maybe china is not the only one doing industrial espionage. at least they are honest enough to break the front door. not come under the guise of "terrorist win if you don't listen to the wisdom of us checking on you - for your own good". how did they know who to go after?
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On January 16 2015 06:54 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote: Targeting Police seems new? I wonder if that is somehow related to whats been going on in the US. Maybe they figured out targeting civilians in the west made it harder to recruit. Probably a lot easier to turn people so they act against police rather than people's stores that they shop at and such? I guess it goes with the "we are at war" mindset that these terrorists seem to have acquired recently.
But terrorism IS war. It's one of the modes of asymmetric warfare, along with guerilla tactics and others.
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there was far more direct evidence from signal intelligence to point this operation, other than 'they just came back from syria.' please
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On January 17 2015 09:05 Nesserev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 08:57 oneofthem wrote: there was far more direct evidence from signal intelligence to point this operation, other than 'they just came back from syria.' please Like... ? Flesh out your statement a bit. Of course they had more information about them than just 'they recently came back from Syria', but such information was probably only acquired AFTER marking someone as a potential target, and observing that person, which would lead to more potential targets.
you put it very well in your previous post.
intelligence agencies have to tighten the grid again, not expand it into basically infinity.
how high is the chance of finding the needle in the biggest haystack ever created? smartly chosen info, not ALL info you can grab - a logistically impossible amount to scan through - is what will lead to good and actionable intelligence.
pretty sure this is a dead end - for now. the processing power is the first thing that will (is?) be here rather soon, but the algorithms and the people connecting the dots are the ones lacking behind.
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