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On June 27 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote: Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general.
If this is the reason why we can't have open dialogue about certain tenets of Islam it's an extremely weak argument.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Tien,
I don't believe we will be able to solve the world's problems. Sometimes you gotta shelf everything.
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On June 27 2015 00:45 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote: Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general. If this is the reason why we can't have open dialogue about certain tenets of Islam it's an extremely weak argument. You have yet to prove "open dialogue" is prohibited or not allowed. You can talk with any practice of Islam about it if you want. Unless "open dialogue" means you talking at people on the internet and telling them how fucked up their religion is and that they need to fix it. I am pretty sure that is just being an asshole with an excuse.
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I really couldn't care less if someone is man or a woman, Christian or Muslim, identifies as an attack helicopter or worships unicorns. One's actions define you, not your beliefs.
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On June 27 2015 00:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 00:45 Tien wrote:On June 27 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote: Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general. If this is the reason why we can't have open dialogue about certain tenets of Islam it's an extremely weak argument. You have yet to prove "open dialogue" is prohibited or not allowed. You can talk with any practice of Islam about it if you want. Unless "open dialogue" means you talking at people on the internet and telling them how fucked up their religion is and that they need to fix it. I am pretty sure that is just being an asshole with an excuse.
I make a point about Sharia Law stifling women's rights.
The response:
Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general.
That's what I mean. Can't even have a discussion about it without hand waving it away.
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On June 27 2015 00:43 Tien wrote: What conspiracy? Who said secular Westerners will succumb to Sharia Law?
These courts exist in secular western societies dictating law for Muslims, they're not westerners either deserving of equality? you have a freedom vs law issue there; that's all.
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On June 27 2015 00:51 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 00:48 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 00:45 Tien wrote:On June 27 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote: Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general. If this is the reason why we can't have open dialogue about certain tenets of Islam it's an extremely weak argument. You have yet to prove "open dialogue" is prohibited or not allowed. You can talk with any practice of Islam about it if you want. Unless "open dialogue" means you talking at people on the internet and telling them how fucked up their religion is and that they need to fix it. I am pretty sure that is just being an asshole with an excuse. I make a point about Sharia Law stifling women's rights. The response: Show nested quote +Poor treatment of women in closed communities is not something that is limited to Islam, or religion in general. That's what I mean. Can't even have a discussion about it without hand waving it away. Because no one disagrees with you that it needs to be addressed. The article you linked to was how to get it done and that a law prohibiting it might not be effective. That is the dialog you are requesting. The idea that the anyone in this thread is ok with the oppression of women is silly. And the idea that a stern lecture about the issues with Islam will somehow fix it is even sillier.
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Tunisia, Kuwait, France, Somalia. Fundamentalists everywhere. A bad day for reason.
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The dialogue across the nation about the confederate flag being a symbol for something negative got it taken down.
I'm not even talking about "banning Sharia Law", just start with identifying negatives of Islam without the need for hand waving the problems away because it is uncomfortable to talk about.
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A really bad day for tolerance -.- 80 dead total in 4 different attacks I'm reading.
Some people suggest this is due to ISIS call for more attacks during Ramadan.
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I would remind you it took 60 years to get the the point we are at with the confederate flag. The idea that you can just fix the issue through a "open dialogue" is a bit simplistic. You also assume that the dialog isn't happening. It just might not be happening on the internet.
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So weird, was reading about these tunisa attacks all morning, and 5 minutes ago my mom tells me thats where my brother with his girlfriend and 1 year old daughter is staying, I mean I knew he was in tunisa but I didn't know where about, the shootings took place in his hotel.. they are ok though, him and his girlfriend had to run into the closest apartment and barricaded themselves in with another couple.
Whenever I read about shit like this I never expect them to happen to someone I know.. nevermind my family.
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On June 27 2015 02:13 Reaps wrote: So weird, was reading about these tunisa attacks all morning, and 5 minutes ago my mom tells me thats where my brother with his girlfriend and 1 year old daughter is staying, I mean I knew he was in tunisa but I didn't know where about, the shootings took place in his hotel.. they are ok though, him and his girlfriend had to run into the closest apartment and barricaded themselves in with another couple.
Whenever I read about shit like this I never expect them to happen to someone I know.. nevermind my family.
Glad they're OK tho...
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On June 26 2015 20:39 Erandorr wrote:We are talking about religions that are thousands of years old, why cherry pick the last couple of decades when discussing the essence of a religions likelihood to cause violence? That seems to be faulty reasoning to me I realize it may be a bit late to reply to this but- Christianity has gone through several fundamental changes since the Protestant reformation and the french revolution and the revolutions that followed it. The church lost its political power. It's almost worthless to compare the essentially political entity of the Catholic church pre-modern times to Christianity now
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On June 27 2015 05:13 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 20:39 Erandorr wrote:On June 26 2015 20:34 ZenithM wrote: Crusades are a bit ancient now. We are talking about religions that are thousands of years old, why cherry pick the last couple of decades when discussing the essence of a religions likelihood to cause violence? That seems to be faulty reasoning to me I realize it may be a bit late to reply to this but- Christianity has gone through several fundamental changes since the Protestant reformation and the french revolution and the revolutions that followed it. The church lost its political power. It's almost worthless to declare the essentially political entity of the Catholic church pre-modern times to Christianity now modern radical christan murders you ask?
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On June 27 2015 05:27 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 05:13 MattBarry wrote:On June 26 2015 20:39 Erandorr wrote:On June 26 2015 20:34 ZenithM wrote: Crusades are a bit ancient now. We are talking about religions that are thousands of years old, why cherry pick the last couple of decades when discussing the essence of a religions likelihood to cause violence? That seems to be faulty reasoning to me I realize it may be a bit late to reply to this but- Christianity has gone through several fundamental changes since the Protestant reformation and the french revolution and the revolutions that followed it. The church lost its political power. It's almost worthless to declare the essentially political entity of the Catholic church pre-modern times to Christianity now modern radical christan murders you ask? That doesn't really contradict my statement.
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On June 27 2015 05:35 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 05:27 ComaDose wrote:On June 27 2015 05:13 MattBarry wrote:On June 26 2015 20:39 Erandorr wrote:On June 26 2015 20:34 ZenithM wrote: Crusades are a bit ancient now. We are talking about religions that are thousands of years old, why cherry pick the last couple of decades when discussing the essence of a religions likelihood to cause violence? That seems to be faulty reasoning to me I realize it may be a bit late to reply to this but- Christianity has gone through several fundamental changes since the Protestant reformation and the french revolution and the revolutions that followed it. The church lost its political power. It's almost worthless to declare the essentially political entity of the Catholic church pre-modern times to Christianity now modern radical christan murders you ask? That doesn't really contradict my statement. oh i thought your statement was in response to the conversation you quoted
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Condolences to the victim's family..
I am afraid many more people have to die until we are willing to talk about salafi ideology and it's basis in islamic teachings and the violent potential that comes with it honestly. Sad shit.
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religion.... the root of all evil
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