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EgyptAir said in a brief statement that Flight 804, an Airbus A320 aircraft, left Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport on late Wednesday evening and was due to arrive at Cairo International Airport on early Thursday morning. A total of 56 passengers and 10 crew were on board.
The aircraft was flying at an altitude of 37,000 feet when it suddenly disappeared from radar screens at 2:30 a.m. Cairo time, when it was about 280 kilometers from the Egyptian coast, according to Egyptian officials. The aircraft had been expected to land at Cairo International Airport at 3:15 a.m.
EgyptAir said a total of 66 people were on board the flight, including 10 crew members. The nationalities of the passengers include 30 Egyptians, 15 French, 2 Iraqis, 1 Briton, 1 Belgian, 1 Kuwaiti, 1 Saudi, 1 Sudanese, 1 Chadian, 1 Portuguese, 1 Algerian, and 1 Canadian. The nationalities of the crew were not immediately released.
Source: http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id4383
Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4k0ho3/egyptair_flight_ms804_disappears_from_radar/
Live reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/live/wy0st0j6out0
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Northern Ireland22201 Posts
sad news. if the plane just disappeared from radar, it sounds like a catastrophic failure of the plane midflight. french authorities are investigating every airport worker that may have been involved in that flight
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Uh oh In situations like these, what is the chance that the plane landed safely somewhere and the passengers are just waiting to be rescued?
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On May 19 2016 19:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Uh oh In situations like these, what is the chance that the plane landed safely somewhere and the passengers are just waiting to be rescued?
0.1% + Show Spoiler +I made that up, but the contact was lost at high altitude, so something dramatic happened
They are in all likelihood dead
EDIT: Confirmed crashed by Greek aviation officials as well as the French president.
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Northern Ireland22201 Posts
really strange movements from the plane in its final moments
The plane "swerved 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right" before plunging into the Mediterranean, a Greek official says.
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The past few years have many plane incidents, MH470, the other flight that was shot down, now this Egyptian Air plane. What is going on ? Flying just doesn't seem safe anymore.
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Very curious as to why that would happen.
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On May 19 2016 22:00 Napushi wrote:The past few years have many plane incidents, MH470, the other flight that was shot down, now this Egyptian Air plane. What is going on ? Flying just doesn't seem safe anymore.
This is probably the whole 80/20 rule, where the few incidents amongst the many safe 1000s of flights every day will make the most news IMO, flying is still safe, but the manner in which some of these went down has caused the media to increase reporting (for lack of a better words) or depending on where/what airlines these things happen, the slanting of reporting and/or different theories will arise rightly or wrong.
That all said, latest updates -
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36333992
France had cause (radicalisation) to investigate some of its ground crew or revoke their access or whatever based on security measures, will be interesting to see if anything turns up there.
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Northern Ireland22201 Posts
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Looks like terrorism was the cause
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Northern Ireland22201 Posts
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Speculation really, no one has claimed responsibility yet.
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United States40776 Posts
Which is kind of odd. Normally someone claims these things, even if they had nothing to do with it. Get those column inches while the story is still fresh. ISIS must be losing their social media edge.
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On May 20 2016 00:02 Spicy_Curry wrote: Speculation really, no one has claimed responsibility yet.
Isn't this kind of bizarre? Don't terrorist organizations usually take credit for even shit they don't do?
edit: lol didn't see Kwark's post
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On May 20 2016 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 00:02 Spicy_Curry wrote: Speculation really, no one has claimed responsibility yet. Isn't this kind of bizarre? Don't terrorist organizations usually take credit for even shit they don't do? edit: lol didn't see Kwark's post If memory serves, ISIS didn't immediately claim responsibility for the bombing of the AirEgypt plane a few months ago.
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On May 20 2016 00:05 KwarK wrote: Which is kind of odd. Normally someone claims these things, even if they had nothing to do with it. Get those column inches while the story is still fresh. ISIS must be losing their social media edge.
Maybe terrorists stepped up their conspiracy game and they no longer inform their leaders when exactly they're going to blow themselves up so it's harder to detect them? I think an accident or lone lunatic's attack are more likely but wouldn't count out isolated terrorist cells yet
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Governments usually want to downplay the terrorism angle right away. The fact that Egypt has claimed that it's "more likely terrorism than a technical failure" means that it's a very high probability of terrorism. Most attacks are downplayed until it's a certainty, where the question keeps lingering on the forefront of peoples minds but on the peripherals of the journalists tongue.. "was it terrorism?" Not going to be surprised by either result though. Paris and Egypt have both had numerous recent attacks. We'll just have to wait for the official report.
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On May 20 2016 01:18 SK.Testie wrote: Governments usually want to downplay the terrorism angle right away. The fact that Egypt has claimed that it's "more likely terrorism than a technical failure" means that it's a very high probability of terrorism. Most attacks are downplayed until it's a certainty, where the question keeps lingering on the forefront of peoples minds but on the peripherals of the journalists tongue.. "was it terrorism?" Not going to be surprised by either result though. Paris and Egypt have both had numerous recent attacks. We'll just have to wait for the official report. I dunno, governments have a high interest in not downplaying the terrorist threats because it gives them legitimacy and makes harsh laws easier to swallow for the people. Similarly, plane builders have a high interest in favorizing the terrorist hypothesis, because it'll be bad for their business if one of their plane suddenly fails. Finally, the only ones who always lose are the flight company and the people in the plane.
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That's pretty solid reasoning. Agreed. But there's a political point process as well. Whenever terrorism happens, the parties on the right gain momentum so the political establishments want to downplay it or get it out of the news quite quickly. There is massive evidence of this. The Belgium terrorist attack did not get the same media coverage that the Paris one did despite them wanting to actually go after the nuclear plant. It got plenty of media coverage yes, but it also got a lot of censorship following after. Reddit and Twitter were complicit in this. I think it's a little trickier and varies country to country and what political establishment is in power. But despite saying this I think you're more in line with the truth that governments do have an interest in this considering there have been legitimate false flags in the past for these exact reasons. So when the real thing happens, it's a tragedy but also an opportunity.
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