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On June 09 2008 08:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Aye. Blymie would git an 'ol scabby-wanking fo' thinkin' he 'ad the tallywankas ta set foyah to formed timba in a mates paddie! Bollocks. T'ese days young chaps 'ave no spect.
LOL!
ee'd get a bump on the ol' noggin and no more fer such trinsgressions ee would.
btw your impression of an 1890's english fishwife is about 50% there, incontrol xD
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On June 09 2008 10:09 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2008 14:56 MyLostTemple wrote: how do some of you NOT know why burning a cross is one of the most offensive and racist things you can possibly do. Have you heard of the KKK? Sorry if canada isnt as fucked up as the states :D
yeah me too.
sorry there are dumb asses in canada who don't know who the KKK are.
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On June 08 2008 14:56 MyLostTemple wrote: how do some of you NOT know why burning a cross is one of the most offensive and racist things you can possibly do. Have you heard of the KKK?
Things only have symbolism if people let them, like by enforcing laws about otherwise basically harmless acts. Same with oversensitizing people to obscenities and racial slurs. They are offensive because people choose to hold on to their offensive connotations. "Fag" and "queer" really aren't that offensive any more because the gay community took it upon themselves to use the terms and let the meanings evolve, instead of shunning them and allowing them to remain offensive. You can't directly compare to an action like cross-burning, but the concept is similar in that society chooses to allow it to mean more than it should as a whole.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be brought up to be wary of those who use obscenities, burn crosses, or hang nooses over trees. I just think to instill the feelings that they hold in them in your children and in your citizens is counter-productive. Criminalizing acts that are not in themselves direct threats really seems to go against the constitution imo.
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Yes, I'm sure it's modern society's fault the KKK killed people it burned crosses on the lawns.
Makes me wonder why people get worked up over silly things like swastikas.
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On June 09 2008 15:50 EmeraldSparks wrote: Yes, I'm sure it's modern society's fault the KKK killed people it burned crosses on the lawns.
Makes me wonder why people get worked up over silly things like swastikas.
Getting worked up over killing people is great. Getting worked up over threatening to kill people is fine too. Getting worked up over genocide is important, as is doing the same over threats of genocide. Getting worked up over something someone else once did who also did something illegal is silly. I don't give a shit if the KKK says they hate other races, as long as everything they do is only symbolic. Certainly give any member the maximum allowable sentence if they ever kill/rape/assault/burglarize anyone. I certainly don't admire or respect anyone in an organization such as that, but I value the freedom to say and do things that don't directly harm others. I'm even for civil cases for emotional distress, but not for criminalizing such actions. I'm very much against enforcement of thought-crimes.
So in this case, I'm certainly for criminal sentences for trespassing and anything about setting a fire on another's property (trespassing is a felony?). I'm also for the family's right to sue for emotional distress and damages. I just don't understand what civil rights were violated, and why that would be a criminal sentence in this case, let alone a felony.
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Like I said, burning crosses historically has been a symbol of KKK terror and furthermore, against the target, a death threat.
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o_o
And if you draw a Swastika in front of a Jew you get death sentence ?
lol
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On June 09 2008 09:04 Biff The Understudy wrote: Think how long 10 years is. You are 27? Imagine going to jail until 37. Just imagine what it implies and how it would fuck your life.
Again... 700 prisonners for 100 000 inhabitants in US... 56 for 100 000 in Norway. Sorry but something is wrong there.
Well the solution is simple. Just don't do it. The system might be too aggressive, we can talk about that ok, still the act has it's history and you have the right to consult a lawyer beforehand to check what will happen to you and decide by yourself if you still insist on doing it or not.
What the problem is with the US is the loop. People get out of jail and somehow end up in it again because they fall back in to the same situation they were before. Integrating a prisoner back in to society only works if you have a healthy working society. And that is not the case with the us many problems with education and unemployment.
In the end it gets so twisted that some people are better of in jail than outside and even choose to go back.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On June 09 2008 15:45 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2008 14:56 MyLostTemple wrote: how do some of you NOT know why burning a cross is one of the most offensive and racist things you can possibly do. Have you heard of the KKK? Things only have symbolism if people let them, like by enforcing laws about otherwise basically harmless acts. Same with oversensitizing people to obscenities and racial slurs. They are offensive because people choose to hold on to their offensive connotations. "Fag" and "queer" really aren't that offensive any more because the gay community took it upon themselves to use the terms and let the meanings evolve, instead of shunning them and allowing them to remain offensive. You can't directly compare to an action like cross-burning, but the concept is similar in that society chooses to allow it to mean more than it should as a whole. I'm not saying people shouldn't be brought up to be wary of those who use obscenities, burn crosses, or hang nooses over trees. I just think to instill the feelings that they hold in them in your children and in your citizens is counter-productive. Criminalizing acts that are not in themselves direct threats really seems to go against the constitution imo.
i don't know if you're arguing w/ me about this or what but all i'm saying is i'm surprised there are people on this thread that don't know what a burning cross references.
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Yeha cmon you guys, it wasn't just offensive crime, it was SUPER OFFENSIVE crime. It's a worser kind, duh.
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10 years for burning a cross is still way too much in my opinion. ( even with the KKK reference ... ) It should be one year at max, but well maybe it will solve the racial problems in US and when this guy will be released from jail he will for sure integrate in the society without any problem. Haha good joke. His life is fucked because this retard burned a cross. I think he will be super angry in 10 years and i'm not sure he will burn a cross this time...
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