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Kenma
United States17 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2169 Posts
That video of illidan is specially useful for me since I just buy him and i suck with him hahaha. I0m still not sure about inmolation on the second talent tier, I'm aware it gives you a better waveclear, but, illidan isn't meant to do that, Illidan is meant to kill and duel, and so I still think Thristing Blood (gives 10% more health when you atack) is more valuable. But maybe thats just because I'm a scrub who isn't good with him, and the 10% extra health is not necessary at the high levels. | ||
Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
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Kenma
United States17 Posts
@yorkie thx | ||
Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
With illidan i'd say demonic form and sixth sense are more standard. Giant killer just doesnt add much dps since you are on squishy targets anyway typically. Your standard damage is 30+7 per level but usually you have W active so 35% extra. At lvl 13 this is 121 to 163 dmg per attack. Now giant killer depends on the target, against etc at lvl 13 you get 62 extra damage per attack but against valla its only 31. So the talent is between 20 and 50% extra damage depending on what you attack and if you have W on, it will more often Be towards 25% though. Not bad by any means but sixth sense keeping you alive against burst is often more pivotal id say. Demonic form also is typically better than bolt id say, the permanent form is just really useful. By having it you dont really need to ult into battle much anymore so you get sort of a bolt too. Without you typically do want to ult into battle because the damage is so important. Stoneskin is pretty useful agaibst stun comps also, where you sometimes just need the etpxtra sustain. Especially if they dont have a high hp target to leach off, like when they play with anubarak as tank for example | ||
Kenma
United States17 Posts
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sushiko
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On March 24 2015 09:19 Markwerf wrote: Hotslogs make these videos rather obsolete mostly. But i guess some like the extra information. I think someone actually writing/streaming out a guide is way more informative than most picked talents. I much rather see stuff like kenma's vids than another "1: x 4: x 7: x 10: x etc blah only way to play hero OP" build. I guess the majority of the community is lazy and lacking in experience to make the decisions that kenma pointed out in the video, but hearing out the thought process is super important in getting better at the game and adapting your own build when the meta changes without relying on someone to tell you again. I haven't watched the illidan one since I don't play him, but the Tyrande stuff is exactly what I tell my friends, with reasoning and drawbacks, etc. It gives context as to what the talents/skills bring to the team. This is what pro's should bring to the community, not random tier lists or copy/paste builds. Keep up the work kenma, thanks for the affirmation i play tyrande right :D On March 24 2015 09:58 Kenma wrote: everyone is entitled to their own opinion @Markwerf, this just happens to be mine. in the video i explain when to take sixth sense/demonic form. the standard build at the end is just the build that i tend to use most often in hero league. and even with things like hotslogs around, i see tons of people in hero league talenting incorrectly all the time. also people need to think for themselves about how to talent for each game to become better, you don't use the same build every game on every hero. damn beaten by the kenma himself :D | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2169 Posts
That's why i also think most tier list are bullshit, because they don't even explain why or anything, and a lot of people simply go around and say "chose ETC noob", whithouth thinking that, maybe you know, on this map etc is not the best choice, or without taking into account pros play with bans and stuff like that. | ||
renoace
United States1 Post
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On March 24 2015 09:19 Markwerf wrote: Demonic form also is typically better than bolt id say, the permanent form is just really useful. By having it you dont really need to ult into battle much anymore so you get sort of a bolt too. Without you typically do want to ult into battle because the damage is so important. I'm not sure wha you mean here. If you have Demon Form up you have to leave it before you get to Ult again, which last time I played Illidan starts the cooldown, so you can't instant-pop back into Demon Form to get a short range bolt (+ damage). Do you mean something else or am I out of date with how Demon Form works? | ||
Kenma
United States17 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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Kenma
United States17 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 27 2015 09:48 Kenma wrote: after i update tyrande, i'll probably do my next guide on uther since he was changed up a bit. still need to play the new patch a bit before i make new vids, but they are coming! Yeah, Uther will be an interesting one. I think that there are some real options now depending upon how you want to play him. | ||
Kenma
United States17 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2169 Posts
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Samhufflol
United States1 Post
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Kenma
United States17 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Tyrande at lvl 16 does 165 damage and huntress' fury exactly lets her do 2 extra attacks in 4 secs for 330 extra damage on a 12 sec cd. The extra damage of shooting star at lvl 16 is 378 * 0.5 = 189 per target hit, also on the same 12 sec cooldown. Which adds more damage exactly is difficult to compare but it's not even an issue since they are on different tiers. I just want to show that abilities that add extra autoattack damage should not just be dismissed because 'tyrande isn't an autoattack hero'. She does slightly above mediocre autoattack damage but the talent to buff it is quite good that i think it warrants consideration occasionally. It simple adds quite a bit of solid damage and does it for free on a relatively low cooldown which is nice as it gives good use to just dps down golems and buildings etc a bit faster. Also worth consideration, it synergizes with battle momentum giving you 1 sec off your cd's per usage. I'm not saying it's better than sprint per se which is really good but if I wouldn't be needing sprint somehow i'd look at this usually if i had battle momentum too. Especially if you are looking at trueshot aura already it can be worth considering. Most times i'll be taking sprint but I don't find sprint the most important on tyrande sometimes. A good escape is nice but I find she can't use it as well for positioning (like say Uther did) as she has long range on her abilities anyway. | ||
Kenma
United States17 Posts
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