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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Leolio
France633 Posts
I think Arthas is either overated or mostly played by retards at the moment. I also think Falstad is still god tier vs 2 tanks with AA build. And finally think Tyrande is T1 and can perfectly solo heal, and her winrate suffers from every retard wanting to play double heal Tyrande. Now that the patch has been played a lot, is Anub' any good solo tank now ? | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 27 2016 23:17 Leolio wrote: How come we all expect these list so much now ? I really never cared about tiers (except when 4 or 5 heroes were way better than anything else in the meta), but I jump on this list as soon as it's published. ^^ Thanks karazax for sharing. I think Arthas is either overated or mostly played by retards at the moment. I also think Falstad is still god tier vs 2 tanks with AA build. And finally think Tyrande is T1 and can perfectly solo heal, and her winrate suffers from every retard wanting to play double heal Tyrande. Now that the patch has been played a lot, is Anub' any good solo tank now ? If the opponent is mainly mage damage yes in my opinion, he still feels kind of fragile against AA damage. I too don't put much stock into these lists, good broad frame of reference though what I enjoy playing differs from Srey's opinion. Play what you like, if what you like is out of the popular lexicon try and do it well is pretty much all I ask. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Slydie
1778 Posts
You can't possibly ask for more, and the next patch and hero can only make it worse! | ||
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
interview wih merryday about supports I feel the same. I dont understand why supports cant have bigger impact, really. | ||
MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:14 Foxxan wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/heroesofthestorm/news/35657-merryday-on-supports-you-only-get-the-illusion-of-contributing-to-win-warriors-do-everything interview wih merryday about supports I feel the same. I dont understand why supports cant have bigger impact, really. This is really funny. Now we have a teamliquid forum post about a gosugamer article which is about a reddit translation of an article in korean. | ||
Slydie
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Valiver
Caldeum1976 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:03 MotherFox wrote: This is really funny. Now we have a teamliquid forum post about a gosugamer article which is about a reddit translation of an article in korean. And the translation was done by r_gg who does tl stuff too. | ||
MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:22 Slydie wrote: If the support is also the shot caller and team leader, which I think is pretty and works very well, the support can indeedg have a big impact... But neither of those things have much to do with the character the support is playing. (you could do them as any role) | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:22 Slydie wrote: If the support is also the shot caller and team leader, which I think is pretty and works very well, the support can indeedg have a big impact... In that case, the shot caller and team leader is having a big impact and coincidentally he also spams his Q on cooldown to burst a little health onto the Greymane. | ||
Slydie
1778 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:22 Slydie wrote: If the support is also the shot caller and team leader, which I think is pretty common and works very well, the support can indeed have a big impact... In that case, the shot caller and team leader is having a big impact and coincidentally he also spams his Q on cooldown to burst a little health onto the Greymane. Don't forget playing supp (not being capt.) is a good way for mediocre players be useful on good teams, as the level difference from decent to superb matters less... I have tried this myself some times, annd it does make me feel better than I am! Also, a good team knows better how to make life easy for the support. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
Blizzard is doing something really wrong. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
I would get to feeling jilted if I had to hear all day about how Rich was wrecking shit and I was just sat there in wolf form occasionally throwing a lightning shield on his sonya too. | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
You want a support who can counter an enemy play or support a big play of your team. Its just better then having your healer have to do a big play. Because that means they have to concentrate the enemy and their own team. Yeah those characters have the highest skill cap, but they usually fail at their support duty. Of couse you can overbuff them, Since no one will ever play them at their full potential. And if they aren't overbuffed people will stick to pure supports. Especially in a 5v5 game, where you don't have many spots available for supports. And well in Heroes a team wipe lategame means usually a loss. So you want a healer that can stop a wombo combo. Not one that starts it. I mean we had Tassadar as supports that can have a rather high impact. But people liked to not call them supports at that time. | ||
Thetan
240 Posts
On May 29 2016 01:11 Hellonslaught wrote: Funny cuz in LoL, supports are often the ones who make the big plays. Blizzard is doing something really wrong. I've said this before, but I'll continue to repeat it. Comparing HotS supports to supports in other MOBAs is meaningless, because HotS supports fill a completely different role than supports in DotA/LoL ("is a strong healer" vs "effective without farm). On May 29 2016 01:37 ThomasjServo wrote: I would get to feeling jilted if I had to hear all day about how Rich was wrecking shit and I was just sat there in wolf form occasionally throwing a lightning shield on his sonya too. I think this is basically the biggest issue - it's really hard to see an impact of a healer over the course of the game. The positioning, the mechanics, and the teamfight awareness is just as hard as a support as an assassin. When you play well a support, your assassin gets all the credit since they're the ones that did the damage. And when you play poorly, your assassin gets all the blame, cause they're the ones that died. Even if the support had full control over whether or not their team would win/lose a fight, it's incredibly hard to accurately credit/blame the support - which I think is the basis for why people feel like "support are just healbots" and "supports can't carry games". | ||
Leolio
France633 Posts
But one who knows the game will know how good that guy was. His teammates know how much he made them win. This is enough. Don't try to make idiots understand how good you are with a support, it's a waste of time. The occasionnal noob will only want to play Ronaldo, Messi or Ibrahimovic (Assassin) but a good midfielder makes or breaks a team. The occasionnal noob won't understand everything the support did and will think he carried. I personnaly don't care. I've played multiple games carried by: Tyrande, Tassadar, Rehgar, Brightwing, Morales, DPS Malfurion, Uther, Kharazim and Lili. While typing this I remembered games where the named support carried. In the end I named them all. :D On May 28 2016 05:31 Slydie wrote: Is it only me, or is the game disgustingly balanced right now? Acording to hotslogs, every hero except Chromie packed from 44,5% to 55,1 % atm! You can't possibly ask for more, and the next patch and hero can only make it worse! It's been like that since the 3rd or so nerf to Ming. The thing is thanks to bans and Blizzard getting better at balancing, HL is quite nice at the moment. And since the new releases are mostly assassins / specs they don't throw the game off balance. | ||
Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On May 29 2016 01:11 Hellonslaught wrote: Funny cuz in LoL, supports are often the ones who make the big plays. Blizzard is doing something really wrong. The difference in LoL and Heroes is the life sustain on the damage dealers. Life steal and whatever the spell equivalent was allow LoL damage dealers to heal themselves, especially when they are fed. Heroes damage dealers don't have that, so they need another source of healing, which means supports are essentially forced to be healbots. You could probably change that without Blizzard changing any heroes by only taking damage dealers with life steal talents and skill them for self sustain while only using tyrael or tassadar to shield against the burst, but it's not as reliable. Damage dealers and some of the bruisers and tanks need more ways to sustain themselves before we can have non-healbot supports. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
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