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Oh I was gonna post it when we announced our changes yesterday but had some problems and could not.
Besides money that we all know isn't that huge yet in Korea, you all gotta have in mind that streaming is already a thing in Brazil, and that they have way more chances of going to Worlds (that will be held in Korea) from the wildcard tournament than through OGN.
There's also the fact that by coming to Brazil they're entering in our history as the first foreigners to ever play here professionally and coming as well with lots of hype and will land in Brazil already as huge stars.
We're aiming at doing well at worlds, getting the 3 best players we could ever get in our country for their positions and adding the experience, game knowledge, and mindset that we may need to finally step up. Not to say our plans on traveling abroad to bootcamp and practice.
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On February 13 2014 06:17 renanphilip wrote: Oh I was gonna post it when we announced our changes yesterday but had some problems and could not.
Besides money that we all know isn't that huge yet in Korea, you all gotta have in mind that streaming is already a thing in Brazil, and that they have way more chances of going to Worlds (that will be held in Korea) from the wildcard tournament than through OGN.
There's also the fact that by coming to Brazil they're entering in our history as the first foreigners to ever play here professionally and coming as well with lots of hype and will land in Brazil already as huge stars.
We're aiming at doing well at worlds, getting the 3 best players we could ever get in our country for their positions and adding the experience, game knowledge, and mindset that we may need to finally step up. Not to say our plans on traveling abroad to bootcamp and practice. But how are you going to communicate with Suno and Winged? Pretty sure they dont speak Portuguese ... I cant imagine how the communication will be against better teams since you guys can just roflstomp easier teams?
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On February 13 2014 06:24 Amarant1995 wrote: But how are you going to communicate with Suno and Winged? Pretty sure they dont speak Portuguese ... I cant imagine how the communication will be against better teams since you guys can just roflstomp easier teams?
I'll go a little bit deeper than what my statement on the website says. So, first of all we'll work in 3 languages, with 5 communication blokes. Among our brazilian players 2 of them speak real fluent english and 1 of them (brTT) something a little further than basic english, SuNo and Winged's english are basically basic (that sounded strange), as in they know in-game important words and very basic words outside of that (remember the Off the Record stuff with all the niceeee and backbackback). So, what are these blokes? 1: Korean between SuNo and Winged as they really need coordination in order to maintain map, vision, lane, roaming and dragon control together. 2: Portuguese between Loop and brTT at the botlane for obvious reasons. 3: English between Winged and Mylon to coordinate toplane plays, warding, and gank setup. 4: English between Winged and Loop to coordinate plays, warding, gank, dragon and invade setup. 5: English for shot calling, team fighting, rotations and such.
After all, Mylon and Loop are already fluent english speakers so the only one who will need to go deeper with his english is Winged, SuNo and brTT will also obviously work on it but it isn't that needed as basic english will to for the 5th bloke.
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On February 13 2014 06:37 renanphilip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:24 Amarant1995 wrote: But how are you going to communicate with Suno and Winged? Pretty sure they dont speak Portuguese ... I cant imagine how the communication will be against better teams since you guys can just roflstomp easier teams? I'll go a little bit deeper than what my statement on the website says. So, first of all we'll work in 3 languages, with 5 communication blokes. Among our brazilian players 2 of them speak real fluent english and 1 of them (brTT) something a little further than basic english, SuNo and Winged's english are basically basic (that sounded strange), as in they know in-game important words and very basic words outside of that (remember the Off the Record stuff with all the niceeee and backbackback). So, what are these blokes? 1: Korean between SuNo and Winged as they really need coordination in order to maintain map, vision, lane, roaming and dragon control together. 2: Portuguese between Loop and brTT at the botlane for obvious reasons. 3: English between Winged and Mylon to coordinate toplane plays, warding, and gank setup. 4: English between Winged and Loop to coordinate plays, warding, gank, dragon and invade setup. 5: English for shot calling, team fighting, rotations and such. After all, Mylon and Loop are already fluent english speakers so the only one who will need to go deeper with his english is Winged, SuNo and brTT will also obviously work on it but it isn't that needed as basic english will to for the 5th bloke.
First of all I want to say that I think this is really ambitious and I wish you guys the best of luck.
But I hope there hasn't been a serious underestimation of just how important communication is going to be, and how difficult the language barrier is to overcome. I work as an English teacher in Korea and the Korean education system tends to over-emphasise vocabulary and grammar (which can be easily tested) over actual communication skills (which are not so easily tested). Many Koreans, when pressed to speak English, will often resort to using memorised phrases like those found in a travel guide, or try to communicate through single words (such as in the 'Off the Record' example).
Furthermore, most Koreans have a great deal of anxiety when it comes to speaking English. They often over-empahsise the importance of being grammatically correct, and thus, to avoid making any grammatical mistakes, they tend to limit their expressiveness. I think they also feel somewhat embarrassed when they struggle to communicate after having studied English for so long (although as I said earlier, it's not really their fault). This is obviously not true of everyone in Korea, but in my experience, the majority of Koreans are this way.
Finally, how will you prepare these guys for life in Brazil? They have each other of course, which is important, but while I've never been to Brazil, I am fairly confident in assuming that they are very different cultures. I actually met a Brazilian guy here in Korea, who had only been in the country for a week or so, and his directness and forthrightness made for some awkward exchanges with the locals. Your guys might start to feel alienated quite quickly, especially when their English skills are so limited, and doubly-so considering it's also a second language for Brazilians. Is Korean food easily accessible there? Koreans will often miss Korean cuisine VERY quickly if it is not available where they live.
Obviously I don't know SuNo or Winged and they might adapt just fine, and I really don't mean to shit all over your enthusiasm - I'm sure you must have considered these issues already and I find this whole scenario really interesting. Again, I wish you guys the best of luck, and I will keep tabs on how this all plays out!
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On February 13 2014 09:58 baekgom84 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:37 renanphilip wrote:On February 13 2014 06:24 Amarant1995 wrote: But how are you going to communicate with Suno and Winged? Pretty sure they dont speak Portuguese ... I cant imagine how the communication will be against better teams since you guys can just roflstomp easier teams? I'll go a little bit deeper than what my statement on the website says. So, first of all we'll work in 3 languages, with 5 communication blokes. Among our brazilian players 2 of them speak real fluent english and 1 of them (brTT) something a little further than basic english, SuNo and Winged's english are basically basic (that sounded strange), as in they know in-game important words and very basic words outside of that (remember the Off the Record stuff with all the niceeee and backbackback). So, what are these blokes? 1: Korean between SuNo and Winged as they really need coordination in order to maintain map, vision, lane, roaming and dragon control together. 2: Portuguese between Loop and brTT at the botlane for obvious reasons. 3: English between Winged and Mylon to coordinate toplane plays, warding, and gank setup. 4: English between Winged and Loop to coordinate plays, warding, gank, dragon and invade setup. 5: English for shot calling, team fighting, rotations and such. After all, Mylon and Loop are already fluent english speakers so the only one who will need to go deeper with his english is Winged, SuNo and brTT will also obviously work on it but it isn't that needed as basic english will to for the 5th bloke. First of all I want to say that I think this is really ambitious and I wish you guys the best of luck. But I hope there hasn't been a serious underestimation of just how important communication is going to be, and how difficult the language barrier is to overcome. I work as an English teacher in Korea and the Korean education system tends to over-emphasise vocabulary and grammar (which can be easily tested) over actual communication skills (which are not so easily tested). Many Koreans, when pressed to speak English, will often resort to using memorised phrases like those found in a travel guide, or try to communicate through single words (such as in the 'Off the Record' example). Furthermore, most Koreans have a great deal of anxiety when it comes to speaking English. They often over-empahsise the importance of being grammatically correct, and thus, to avoid making any grammatical mistakes, they tend to limit their expressiveness. I think they also feel somewhat embarrassed when they struggle to communicate after having studied English for so long (although as I said earlier, it's not really their fault). This is obviously not true of everyone in Korea, but in my experience, the majority of Koreans are this way. Finally, how will you prepare these guys for life in Brazil? They have each other of course, which is important, but while I've never been to Brazil, I am fairly confident in assuming that they are very different cultures. I actually met a Brazilian guy here in Korea, who had only been in the country for a week or so, and his directness and forthrightness made for some awkward exchanges with the locals. Your guys might start to feel alienated quite quickly, especially when their English skills are so limited, and doubly-so considering it's also a second language for Brazilians. Is Korean food easily accessible there? Koreans will often miss Korean cuisine VERY quickly if it is not available where they live. Obviously I don't know SuNo or Winged and they might adapt just fine, and I really don't mean to shit all over your enthusiasm - I'm sure you must have considered these issues already and I find this whole scenario really interesting. Again, I wish you guys the best of luck, and I will keep tabs on how this all plays out!
Oh not at all, we suffer from the same problem here in Brazil, the very few people that can actually speak proper english are those who work with this or hardcore gamers (myself and two of my players included). When I say basic I mean almost nothing, I mean that they would not get even close to understanding what we're talking about in these posts for example, that happens in every sport and already happened a lot within electronic sports as well. To be quite honest we can live up to the hype in Brazil just by being individually better in the very start, but as we're not only aiming high inside our country we will work and work really hard on the communication matter.
The good thing about their adaptation is that we REALLY have korean roots, as in one of our owners has korean-born parents, has visited korea a lot and is willing to help in every possible way. Also, São Paulo have a korean neighborhood where you can find literally everything that you'd want from Korea, from every kind of food or restaurant to normal korean entertainment places (not good pc bangs tho).
Thanks a lot for the heads up and for the good luck, like I said to gosugamers, we'll be working our souls out of our bodies to make our ambitious plan a successful one.
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On February 13 2014 12:28 renanphilip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:58 baekgom84 wrote:On February 13 2014 06:37 renanphilip wrote:On February 13 2014 06:24 Amarant1995 wrote: But how are you going to communicate with Suno and Winged? Pretty sure they dont speak Portuguese ... I cant imagine how the communication will be against better teams since you guys can just roflstomp easier teams? I'll go a little bit deeper than what my statement on the website says. So, first of all we'll work in 3 languages, with 5 communication blokes. Among our brazilian players 2 of them speak real fluent english and 1 of them (brTT) something a little further than basic english, SuNo and Winged's english are basically basic (that sounded strange), as in they know in-game important words and very basic words outside of that (remember the Off the Record stuff with all the niceeee and backbackback). So, what are these blokes? 1: Korean between SuNo and Winged as they really need coordination in order to maintain map, vision, lane, roaming and dragon control together. 2: Portuguese between Loop and brTT at the botlane for obvious reasons. 3: English between Winged and Mylon to coordinate toplane plays, warding, and gank setup. 4: English between Winged and Loop to coordinate plays, warding, gank, dragon and invade setup. 5: English for shot calling, team fighting, rotations and such. After all, Mylon and Loop are already fluent english speakers so the only one who will need to go deeper with his english is Winged, SuNo and brTT will also obviously work on it but it isn't that needed as basic english will to for the 5th bloke. First of all I want to say that I think this is really ambitious and I wish you guys the best of luck. But I hope there hasn't been a serious underestimation of just how important communication is going to be, and how difficult the language barrier is to overcome. I work as an English teacher in Korea and the Korean education system tends to over-emphasise vocabulary and grammar (which can be easily tested) over actual communication skills (which are not so easily tested). Many Koreans, when pressed to speak English, will often resort to using memorised phrases like those found in a travel guide, or try to communicate through single words (such as in the 'Off the Record' example). Furthermore, most Koreans have a great deal of anxiety when it comes to speaking English. They often over-empahsise the importance of being grammatically correct, and thus, to avoid making any grammatical mistakes, they tend to limit their expressiveness. I think they also feel somewhat embarrassed when they struggle to communicate after having studied English for so long (although as I said earlier, it's not really their fault). This is obviously not true of everyone in Korea, but in my experience, the majority of Koreans are this way. Finally, how will you prepare these guys for life in Brazil? They have each other of course, which is important, but while I've never been to Brazil, I am fairly confident in assuming that they are very different cultures. I actually met a Brazilian guy here in Korea, who had only been in the country for a week or so, and his directness and forthrightness made for some awkward exchanges with the locals. Your guys might start to feel alienated quite quickly, especially when their English skills are so limited, and doubly-so considering it's also a second language for Brazilians. Is Korean food easily accessible there? Koreans will often miss Korean cuisine VERY quickly if it is not available where they live. Obviously I don't know SuNo or Winged and they might adapt just fine, and I really don't mean to shit all over your enthusiasm - I'm sure you must have considered these issues already and I find this whole scenario really interesting. Again, I wish you guys the best of luck, and I will keep tabs on how this all plays out! Oh not at all, we suffer from the same problem here in Brazil, the very few people that can actually speak proper english are those who work with this or hardcore gamers (myself and two of my players included). When I say basic I mean almost nothing, I mean that they would not get even close to understanding what we're talking about in these posts for example, that happens in every sport and already happened a lot within electronic sports as well. To be quite honest we can live up to the hype in Brazil just by being individually better in the very start, but as we're not only aiming high inside our country we will work and work really hard on the communication matter. The good thing about their adaptation is that we REALLY have korean roots, as in one of our owners has korean-born parents, has visited korea a lot and is willing to help in every possible way. Also, São Paulo have a korean neighborhood where you can find literally everything that you'd want from Korea, from every kind of food or restaurant to normal korean entertainment places (not good pc bangs tho). Thanks a lot for the heads up and for the good luck, like I said to gosugamers, we'll be working our souls out of our bodies to make our ambitious plan a successful one.
One of the biggest changes imho, and something we needed to stir the competition in the latin american scene (not just brazil)
You guys got a scary roster, but we as latam will fight harder to prove ourselves!! With the international challenge somewhere in the near future, im more than happy about this change, i will miss caio as the AD but im sure his performance as the utility carry (i just love this expression!) will be excellent.
Best of lucks, its time to show our region is gonna be joining the big leagues!
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On February 12 2014 15:59 Baffels wrote: Not understanding this change. I just don't get the point of the switch, if Dade is struggling why put him on a team at all? Being a sub makes more sense to me.
Also Zero to KTB Jungle?
Dade is struggling only against Faker :D Against other he's still top.
And Pawn is a god sometimes, hope he will perform and it will be good for both Samsung's squads.
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Well idk about piglet's reputation but if he's done it before he probably will get slapped silly/ have his salary cut if not SKT will probably just go "Piglet's a very naughty boy"
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Aren't there a whole bunch of Korean pros who have atrocious reputations for flaming in ranked? I know at least this has been said about Flame (lol) and Imp, and I'm certain there are heaps of other players that I can't think of right now as well.
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On February 15 2014 21:11 baekgom84 wrote:Aren't there a whole bunch of Korean pros who have atrocious reputations for flaming in ranked? I know at least this has been said about Flame (lol) and Imp, and I'm certain there are heaps of other players that I can't think of right now as well. I believe flame, insec and imp had very bad reputations before becoming pro. I think locodoco mentioned that some pros have smurfs literally just to get away with flaming.
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JAS gets knocked out by an amateur team in the prelims = not in OGN
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On February 15 2014 23:08 justiceknight wrote: JAS gets knocked out by an amateur team in the prelims = not in OGN
I heard this on Twitter and I couldn't believe it. Was it a case of an awesome amateur team taking them by surprise, or did they choke/get too complacent? They looked really good against CJ in Masters and I was really looking forward to seeing how they do in OGN.
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I just read it, I'ts not even that bad. I think a slap on the wrist is adequate for this.
+Thank God Frost doesn't have to play in the qualifiers lol
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faker would probably say something like: silly piglet get ur elo higher so you don't have those people on your team.
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On February 15 2014 23:19 baekgom84 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 23:08 justiceknight wrote: JAS gets knocked out by an amateur team in the prelims = not in OGN I heard this on Twitter and I couldn't believe it. Was it a case of an awesome amateur team taking them by surprise, or did they choke/get too complacent? They looked really good against CJ in Masters and I was really looking forward to seeing how they do in OGN. Fly and radar do seem like the kind of players to completely choke. I hope they don't change the roster though because this one shows so much promise. That being said this is now appropriate
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God damn it Jin Air......
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jas pulling a KTA Syndrome ? lolz a potentially good team but can't past the qualifier lol
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