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To those who play the beta a lot like me let me ask you a simple question: How many times did you see swarm host or you used them(i am a gm zerg player)? I can say i only played vs swarm host once and only used them maybe on 2 games out of the 250 i already played on the ladder. In my opinion only match up the you can even think of swarm host is zvz since on zvp cannons and photon overcharge wont let you kill the nexus and on zvt few scv can fix the planetary with no problem. Swarm host main role should be harassing but i didn't see them do that at all. If people don't want the swarm host to become neutral parasite "number 2" which no one ever use since wol beta they should start and talk about it now because that if we wont do something and beta ends no way it will change after the game is out. Only time to do something with it is now so either people start talking about it or the zerg player need to except the fact that since they could give up about changing the neutral parasite they can give up about the Swarm host too!
there is also a post about it on sc2 site
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I personally feel like the swarm host is a unit that is more likely to get used when there is a stable meta, like if someone figures out how to use them to break specific defensive play-styles. As it stands now, they arent very versatile and its hard to see anyone wanting to spend money on them instead of something else.
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On July 30 2015 15:46 alexanderzero wrote: I personally feel like the swarm host is a unit that is more likely to get used when there is a stable meta, like if someone figures out how to use them to break specific defensive play-styles. As it stands now, they arent very versatile and its hard to see anyone wanting to spend money on them instead of something else.
They are just aren't good enough so we must do something about it now before its too late
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It's never too late & everyone hated playing against them and watching them in pro matches
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Nobody liked Swarm Hosts, even most Zerg players didn't like using them in my experience. I think it's okay that they aren't prevalent.
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I hope you are right, but so far my impression was that it's an incredibly strong unit against mech and of the 3-4times i experimented with it I only lost once (against a far better player). I really hope it goes the way of neural. bad designs are gonna be bad.
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I didn't need to read this,
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i hope mods can change the title, you can't make it worse. It has nothing to do with the content of OP + i was thinking this was from mods since it said "must read".
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On July 30 2015 15:48 wrj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 15:46 alexanderzero wrote: I personally feel like the swarm host is a unit that is more likely to get used when there is a stable meta, like if someone figures out how to use them to break specific defensive play-styles. As it stands now, they arent very versatile and its hard to see anyone wanting to spend money on them instead of something else. They are just aren't good enough so we must do something about it now before its too late
They are perfectly fine as is. They are a niche unit and have their purpose. Their original incarnation was cancerous to the game.
Best thing blizzard can do is ignore threads like these and monitor pro players, and gather feedback directly from them
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On July 30 2015 16:25 Agh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 15:48 wrj wrote:On July 30 2015 15:46 alexanderzero wrote: I personally feel like the swarm host is a unit that is more likely to get used when there is a stable meta, like if someone figures out how to use them to break specific defensive play-styles. As it stands now, they arent very versatile and its hard to see anyone wanting to spend money on them instead of something else. They are just aren't good enough so we must do something about it now before its too late They are perfectly fine as is. They are a niche unit and have their purpose. Their original incarnation was cancerous to the game. Best thing blizzard can do is ignore threads like these and monitor pro players, and gather feedback directly from them
They are prefect really??? what are you talking about! If no one use them=they are prefect? They not need to be op they need to be useful and on high lvl play they are useless To those who think its a troll thread its not. I am a serious gm player on the beta
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On July 30 2015 16:33 wrj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 16:25 Agh wrote:On July 30 2015 15:48 wrj wrote:On July 30 2015 15:46 alexanderzero wrote: I personally feel like the swarm host is a unit that is more likely to get used when there is a stable meta, like if someone figures out how to use them to break specific defensive play-styles. As it stands now, they arent very versatile and its hard to see anyone wanting to spend money on them instead of something else. They are just aren't good enough so we must do something about it now before its too late They are perfectly fine as is. They are a niche unit and have their purpose. Their original incarnation was cancerous to the game. Best thing blizzard can do is ignore threads like these and monitor pro players, and gather feedback directly from them They are prefect really??? what are you talking about! If no one use them=they are prefect? They not need to be op they need to be useful and on high lvl play they are useless To those who think its a troll thread its not. I am a serious gm player on the beta
beta gm is currently meaningless - there are currently plat hots players in GM on the beta.
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Doesn't change the fact that sh are useless right now.Wont be surprised that people will wake up one day and say hey sh is useless and need buffs but it will be too late same as what happen with the infestor neutral parasite
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yeah everybody (means terran and protoss) hated the sh. sure, they made it hard to just steam roll zerg.
oh and those terrible to watch games, good thing they're gone. now we can watch force fields, force fields, force fields, force fields, force fields.......
zerg has less units, less options. sh is useless, that ONE game when rogue (was it rogue?) used them against hero doesn't make them valid again. as of now most zergs got recked by - again - force fields before they could even think of spending that amount of gas for dead supply. same for zvt.
make sh a good unit again or replace it.
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Broken English is fucking awesome to read
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On July 30 2015 16:53 inken wrote: yeah everybody (means terran and protoss) hated the sh. sure, they made it hard to just steam roll zerg.
oh and those terrible to watch games, good thing they're gone. now we can watch force fields, force fields, force fields, force fields, force fields.......
zerg has less units, less options. sh is useless, that ONE game when rogue (was it rogue?) used them against hero doesn't make them valid again. as of now most zergs got recked by - again - force fields before they could even think of spending that amount of gas for dead supply. same for zvt.
make sh a good unit again or replace it.
Agree with every ward.I want to say i never said that we need to go back to the old sh no way and i say it as a zerg player! What i say is that the current sh need some buffs. Making a unit useless is worst than making a unit game changer. Either do something like hp and damge buff and reducde locus time for 15 second or we see new unit. The current sh don't worth the money unless you got too much mineral.
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I'd really like to see "neutral parasite" in the game. Instead of fighting for your side, the controlled unit becomes neutral.
Seriously: I read the post. Swarm hosts are kind of dead, yeah. Maybe they can become a nice late-game harassment tool with some additional tweaks. I'm glad that the old swarm host is gone, even though I personally liked playing the turtle style. But it dragged out games infinitely, which was annoying.
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I heard they are working on major overhauls for Toss right now. Swarmhost are still a terrible unit, only now they are terrible and useless, so I think it is a good idea to push that agenda next.
I heard a suggestion of turning SH themselves into flying locust. A tanky slow unit that can only attack single targes on ground pretty hard, but can switch like the viking into a flying form(in which it then is defenseless, except for better movement speed). I liked that Idea.
I think a more positiv thread would be one with suggestions of what to do with the swarmhost! cheers
PS: and besides Workers, Zerg has no unit that costs 1 supply, maybe for the swarmyness something could be created there.
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Feel free to make a new thread with a less "over the top" title and a better OP
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