[Champion] Ryze - Page 13
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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koreasilver
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http://dpatti.com/s4/#Ma57k5jvpHTA The new masteries superficially seem alright, but the you can still really feel the range nerfs. I was never good with Ryze though, so maybe more experienced and better Ryze players could give some input on whether or not the new masteries are better or worse in comparison to S3. It seems it's overall worse though. You get less constant ms and you no longer get the 8% penetration. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 25 2013 13:08 koreasilver wrote: I played a little bit of Ryze today just because I was curious about how the new masteries would work on him. I used this page after thinking about it for a little bit. http://dpatti.com/s4/#Ma57k5jvpHTA The new masteries superficially seem alright, but the you can still really feel the range nerfs. I was never good with Ryze though, so maybe more experienced and better Ryze players could give some input on whether or not the new masteries are better or worse in comparison to S3. It seems it's overall worse though. You get less constant ms and you no longer get the 8% penetration. Those are almost the exact same masteries that I'm using. Only difference is that I only have one point in mana regen, and instead have 3 in summoner's insight and 1 in bandit. I'm still not sure on health regen or 5% bonus armour/magic resist. I think that health regen may be a bit more useful since it actually does something early game, and the 5% bonus armour/magic resist is still pretty negligible late. | ||
koreasilver
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 25 2013 14:35 koreasilver wrote: Bandit doesn't seem useful at all on Ryze given that for most matchups you're really not going to get opportunities to auto the opposing laner, and SoS is super strong on Ryze since it gives you 1hp/5 per 300 max mana (the description in the site I linked to is wrong). The mana regen you need to unlock SoS helps a lot for your early game where you're pretty mana starved. The 2hp/5 might be better than the 5% bonus resists because of early game, you're right. Bandit is pretty shitty though, and I think it's worth missing out on the 10% summoner cd reduction for SoS, which is pretty strong on Ryze. Bandit's definitely not the best mastery out there, but 30 seconds off flash and teleport is pretty great. You'll get very little from the health regen mastery until late game, and even then with seraph's/RoA/frozen heart, you'll get something like 135 health a minute. Given that your ult has a 30 second cooldown (even less with your passive) and will give you significantly more health, that health regen is really going to be barely noticeable. | ||
Sakray
France2198 Posts
I'm still having trouble against Renek because of his huge gap closer. He just needs to have minions between him and me so he can jump on me, remove half of my HP early game and I can't damage him enough to make up for it. I can't sustain as fast as he can, so I can't do shit if he stands in front of his minions. What to do in these situations ? I've tried starting catalyst 1st but he can still destroy me without him taking any damage in return. | ||
BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada965 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:52 Sakray wrote: Ok, so Ryze is viable again top, as we all know. I'm still having trouble against Renek because of his huge gap closer. He just needs to have minions between him and me so he can jump on me, remove half of my HP early game and I can't damage him enough to make up for it. I can't sustain as fast as he can, so I can't do shit if he stands in front of his minions. What to do in these situations ? I've tried starting catalyst 1st but he can still destroy me without him taking any damage in return. run tp and start with mana crystal. abuse ur autoattacks and use the bush to de-aggro urself. throw q on him whenever he tries to cs. best let him try to jump to you and use q so the wave pushes towards you. once the wave pushes to you, u can freeze it there for a good 2-3 waves. even if he does manage to jump onto u and land all his combo, the damage and cc stun duration is not enough to discourage you from harassing him, so throw out all the spells you can while he tries to fight you. i find getting tears is better than catalyst since it only costs 350~ after buying mana crystal, and gives you more mana sustain. you can also put 3 points into the spell vamp mastery for extra sustain. the key with ryze top lane is that you need to control where the creep wave will meet. ive played ryze vs rene lanes where the rene fell behind by 50 cs without any kills or deaths in lane. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
He takes very strong advantage of the hidden mastery interactions (Expose Weakness works on your own damage and Oppression reduces damage from champions affected by Frozen Heart). | ||
Sakray
France2198 Posts
On April 23 2014 05:18 BlasiuS wrote: You need to stand far enough away that Slice alone won't make it. Force him to use Dice to get to you, then you can pummel him with a full rotation while he walks back to behind his minion line. If he is able to get right next to you with Slice, you're going to lose the trade. If he does this more than once, you'll get zoned or die. That's what I usually do, but even if I force him to use Dice I still lose more HP than he does, and with a full rotation at low level I run out of mana very quickly while he can just wait for his cd's, sustain with Q, then jump on me again. On April 23 2014 05:37 Lightswarm wrote: run tp and start with mana crystal. abuse ur autoattacks and use the bush to de-aggro urself. throw q on him whenever he tries to cs. best let him try to jump to you and use q so the wave pushes towards you. once the wave pushes to you, u can freeze it there for a good 2-3 waves. even if he does manage to jump onto u and land all his combo, the damage and cc stun duration is not enough to discourage you from harassing him, so throw out all the spells you can while he tries to fight you. i find getting tears is better than catalyst since it only costs 350~ after buying mana crystal, and gives you more mana sustain. you can also put 3 points into the spell vamp mastery for extra sustain. the key with ryze top lane is that you need to control where the creep wave will meet. ive played ryze vs rene lanes where the rene fell behind by 50 cs without any kills or deaths in lane. I do run TP and start with mana crystal, I use my TP to return to lane early after backing and grabbing either tear or catalyst when I have the money to do so. I'm not using the bushes enough tho, it may help a bit when harassing. On April 23 2014 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote: Ryze is a good candidate for weird masteries. I typically do 5/10/15 or 5/13/12 and swap out a few MR glyphs for 5% flat CDR. Then you hit 40% by getting 10% from masteries/runes, 10% from Q, and 20% from Frozen Heart. Tear -> RoA and Frozen Heart -> Seraph's -> Void Staff and Guardian Angel is all you need. He takes very strong advantage of the hidden mastery interactions (Expose Weakness works on your own damage and Oppression reduces damage from champions affected by Frozen Heart). My main build is sorcerer's boots/tear/catalyst, and endgame sorcerer/archangel/roa/frozen heart/banshee OR void staff OR spirit visage OR wota (if ballsy), going GA feels weird on him | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On April 23 2014 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote: Ryze is a good candidate for weird masteries. I typically do 5/10/15 or 5/13/12 and swap out a few MR glyphs for 5% flat CDR. Then you hit 40% by getting 10% from masteries/runes, 10% from Q, and 20% from Frozen Heart. Tear -> RoA and Frozen Heart -> Seraph's -> Void Staff and Guardian Angel is all you need. He takes very strong advantage of the hidden mastery interactions (Expose Weakness works on your own damage and Oppression reduces damage from champions affected by Frozen Heart). How could frozen heart affect oppression? It specifies impaired movement. Also, unless the other team has like no AP and no CC, you should get merc treads. | ||
Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On April 23 2014 07:35 GolemMadness wrote: How could frozen heart affect oppression? It specifies impaired movement. Also, unless the other team has like no AP and no CC, you should get merc treads. Because attack speed slows are now coded as movement speed slows l0l | ||
BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
It's definitely a "I know I can't win lane phase so just don't die and outscale" matchup. | ||
Lightswarm
Canada965 Posts
On April 23 2014 09:02 BlasiuS wrote: It's still a nightmare matchup. Assuming you both know the matchup and are equally skilled, I'm pretty sure Renekton will always win without jungler interference. It's definitely a "I know I can't win lane phase so just don't die and outscale" matchup. renekton pushes the lane towards ryze really easily even in early levels so i dont see how he will always win in 1v1 laning phase. as soon as the lane pushes towards ryze, renekton has to force a lane reset by shoving to tower. once the creeps meet just outside of tower range, it becomes next to impossible to get any cs from ryze | ||
imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On April 23 2014 09:02 BlasiuS wrote: It's still a nightmare matchup. Assuming you both know the matchup and are equally skilled, I'm pretty sure Renekton will always win without jungler interference. It's definitely a "I know I can't win lane phase so just don't die and outscale" matchup. I have to respectfully disagree. Lv1, you should have free AA+Q+AA harass if he wants to last hit the ranged minions. Lv 2 onwards, you just let him push the lane towards you and freeze it right outside turret range. He shouldn't be able to continue pushing your wave without taking a serious amount of harass. On the flip side though, if you somehow push him out to his tower, you're dead if you get ganked. So basically, whoever controls the creep wave the best will win the match up. Sure he has better wave clear, but you have stronger harass. And renekton's gap is still a good 150+ units smaller than your Q range. If you position correctly, you should be about 2 minions side-by-side in length away from him. He shouldn't be able EW you without him taking your full combo. Maybe he can Q you, but then your Q trades back equally. Just learn to position better and you shouldn't have a problem. | ||
W2
United States1177 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:30 Sakray wrote: That's what I usually do, but even if I force him to use Dice I still lose more HP than he does, and with a full rotation at low level I run out of mana very quickly while he can just wait for his cd's, sustain with Q, then jump on me again. I do run TP and start with mana crystal, I use my TP to return to lane early after backing and grabbing either tear or catalyst when I have the money to do so. I'm not using the bushes enough tho, it may help a bit when harassing. My main build is sorcerer's boots/tear/catalyst, and endgame sorcerer/archangel/roa/frozen heart/banshee OR void staff OR spirit visage OR wota (if ballsy), going GA feels weird on him Ryze shits on renek. If owning him in lane is all you want, go Mana quints, Mpen reds, armor yellows and mana glyphs and start Mana crystal. 0/9/21 lets you have two biscuits as well. Q him every CD and he will be screaming for his jungler. Remember as long as you don't auto him you won't take minion aggro, so zone with Q only. Also switch teleport for ignite for kill potential. | ||
jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On April 25 2014 06:15 GolemMadness wrote: Kennen does decently against Ryze. What are u smoking. Ryze QWEQ range is larger than Kennen's auto range. If Kennen E's in, he get's W'd and and ryze just runs from him. Unless you max Q, hit every single Q, and get your jungler to camp the ryze, this isn't a winning matchup. | ||
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