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If you're in the US, and not watching the Xavier/Kansas St. game, you should turn on the tv immediately. It's a doozy.
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Let me qualify an earlier statement.
If you are town-aligned and have anti-nukes and are thinking about using them to save L, please refrain from doing so, or deciding so until the very last minute. As I noted before, should L be mafia, he will be saved no matter what, so let the mafia waste one of their anti-nukes first.
Play this like a game of chicken, and if you're more convinced of L's innocence then I am, then go ahead and take the action you deem necessary.
On March 26 2010 12:38 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 12:24 tree.hugger wrote: Here's what I have to say:
- If L is not mafia, he might be saved. - If L is mafia, he will definitely be saved. - There is no way this nuke will be as successful as I wish it could be. But at least it might make L a little more friendly and constructive. Why did you launch the nuke if you figured it likely wouldn't be successful? You've just put a lot of heat on yourself for the slim chance of getting rid of L. I highly doubt L will change how he plays because of it. He's consistently like this over multiple games, he'll either die or continue to be himself.
I launched the nuke for two reasons: - The first was that L had it coming. If he's town, and the nuke kills him, then at least we'll be spared his incessant whining and opining until the next mafia game. (and he invariably will try to kill me off immediately, but that's a fight for another day...). I know he probably won't change, but I was getting tired of him anyway. - The second reason was that I'm curious to see if L is mafia or not. About the only way I can force a rolecheck is by nuking the dude. If he's saved, hopefully enough people will see the light, and we'll also get the name of one of the mafia-aligned countries.
On March 26 2010 12:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 12:28 Versatile wrote: why are you telling people to nuke me? take it back. You told people not to anti-nuke me. If I die, you'll see my role and you should die as responsibility right there. That said, the only person I think should be nuked is tree.hugger. Nuking players get nuked. This is the exact type of stupidity that I wanted to avoid by going through with the threat to nuke RoL.
I know we don't have a great history of making deals, but I'll offer another one.
In honor of L's oft-used tactic of pretending to sacrifice himself to win a vote, I will vote to lynch myself tomorrow if L flips green, and if there are more than ten votes to kill me. (I won't vote for myself if there aren't the votes, because that would be counter-productive to the town's interests to throw away a vote.)
However, let me repeat myself, if L is innocent, I will hop on my own bandwagon. And unlike L, every time he pulls this move, I mean it.
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On March 26 2010 13:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: You know, i'm curious about several players being mafia or not, but that doesn't mean i'm about to nuke them to sate my curiosity. I'm starting to think this is just some personal vendetta
Note reason #1. Also—I mean—I offered to be nice to L and treat him like an adult, and he chose different path. So yes, about half of it was because he was getting on my nerves.
Amendment to the post above. Third reason: As I've said multiple times throughout the thread, when L is posting, important town discussions literally get shut down, and L moved the discussion to whatever inane thing he thinks is important. L really doesn't help the town much at all.
Also, about my pledge to vote for myself, if L flips green, I'll vote for myself as soon as possible. If the votes don't exist, then I'll move my vote, but I think it's more sincere if I kick off my own bandwagon.
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On March 26 2010 13:12 L wrote: Starting?
The kid nuked me because I was honest about not having any nukes and he realized I completely eviscerated his arguments. Given my propensity for driving busses, he figured he'd have died tomorrow regardless and took his shot now.
A complete joke of a player.
Someone with a nuke should hit him right now, and someone with an anti-nuke should save me.
Your ego knows no bounds does it?
Ever considered a job writing cheap crime thrillers?
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On March 26 2010 13:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 13:17 tree.hugger wrote:On March 26 2010 13:12 L wrote: Starting?
The kid nuked me because I was honest about not having any nukes and he realized I completely eviscerated his arguments. Given my propensity for driving busses, he figured he'd have died tomorrow regardless and took his shot now.
A complete joke of a player.
Someone with a nuke should hit him right now, and someone with an anti-nuke should save me. Your ego knows no bounds does it? Ever considered a job writing cheap crime thrillers? What ego? Nuking nukers was the plan that was agreed upon and that we were going to move on before someone saved caller and had RoL's nuke delay stopped. What's the point of this post other than to piss me off? You argue against vague replies earlier, yet this isn't the only one you make against me. I'm going to 100% ignore posts from you from this point forward unless you actually deal with one of the central points in my arguments against you (and that's highly unlikely given how poor your analysis and self-justification has been thusfar). Our back and forth is becoming thread clogging. Ah, you beat me to the high road. I agree, it's pretty clear we're talking past each other.
We'll see what happens. As you were, thread!
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On March 26 2010 13:31 JeeJee wrote: NO NO NO god i thought having lynched RoL, we would prevent the stupidity of people like tree.hugger. i don't understand >.<
guys. say no to nukes. have we all forgotten about ToD? this is the crucial difference between this game and the previous everyone-has-a-gun game. i was expecting one triggerhappy idiot, but after getting lynched so hard i figured nobody else would step up to the plate. yes it's great that you provide your reasoning for nuking but DO SO BEFORE YOU NUKE. and if a sizable amount of people agree with you, proceed. sure it's a little bit of a hassle but it prevents shit like this
at this rate the game might be over day 1 and nobody wins. or some 3rd party laughs their ass off. don't you guys see this? stop fucking nuking people.
i'll go to sleep and post back in about 9-10 hours when i get to work. L, you are planning to extend the day further? it is good to have more discussion but it also gives more idiots the opportunity to go "hey this fag's a fag! nuke:fag" so keep that in mind when you decide.
You have a point, but I think people will be a lot more hesitant to nuke when the radiation levels meter ticks up. The cap is definitely not 1-2, and is probably somewhere between 5-10. So I think there were always going to be nukes in the very beginning, and so it's just a matter of who they're used against.
I probably should've been a little more patient with my nuke usage, but, seeing how early we are into the game, I figured that the town could pass judgment the next day just as easily by voting, and in nuking L immediately, I wouldn't have to wait a long time or betray the fact that I did in fact have a nuke to spare on L.
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On March 26 2010 16:16 Bill Murray wrote: Nice one tree.hugger:
"First of all, you're criticism of my faulty logic is certainly correct, "
Catching up on the thread, on page 41.
Dammit, my grammar fell apart there.
"your"
On March 26 2010 16:39 Bill Murray wrote: Tree.Hugger: That was not the best course of action that you could have pursued. Just because L was putting FoS on you, you didn't have to crack under the pressure. I understand that many people would be mod-killed for what he said to you, but that doesn't warrant you ruining the game for the rest of the world here!
I think one nuke won't kill us yet. Keep in mind that although my nuke was the third fired, it'll be the second to hit, providing it falls through. I think this world will survive two nukes. We'll watch the radiation levels.
Also, again, I nukes L partially because he was becoming annoying, and partially for the reasons I've been repeating non-stop throughout the game. L is self-interested, not town-interested. He often confuses the two, and this is a detriment to the town, in my option.
I saw L starting his same old tricks, including arguing for Japan to roleclaim, and I thought that move would be a poor one. L began to derail the thread, and eventually, I nuked him. We'll be better off for it either way.
On March 26 2010 23:58 haster27 wrote: Okay, what we should do now is lynch Tree.hugger day 2 except in off chance his nuke manage to hit L and he flips red. There should NOT be nukes launched against him because he explicitly stated his intention to revenge-nuke and creating more opportunities to waste anti-nukes is simply idiotic. I think even Tree.hugger will agree with what I wrote above considering that he had stated he will lynch himself should this gambit fail.
I would agree with you, and vote myself unless....
Now onto the matter of two air-born nukes, for myself I would like to see nuke toward L intercepted The nuke is intercepted. As I've posted before, I'd consider an intercepted nuke to be somewhat of a mafia tell. (Albeit imperfect, but certainly better than most others we've seen this game.)
Even if my nuke lands on a green L, I won't regret firing it, but what I've said is that I'd also be willing to take the consequences.
and one toward JohnnySpazz unhindered. JohnnySpazz seems to be decent suspect which was being advocated by confirmed Townie ("Abenson") and is not impressing me with his posts. Also what is up with his vague roleclaim? Either not roleclaim at all, or reveal full extent of your abilities so Town can make better decision about what to do with you.
On the contrary, I would like nuke toward L intercepted for the same reason I suggested shooting down Caller's nuke; telling the non-concensus nukers that they are not the above Town's law. Hell if the people are not getting message from RoL lynch, then we'll just have to force feed this simple fact over and over again until they hurl. Moreover L would likely have been voted out day 1 if I had not initiated bandwagon against Abenson to exactly prevent this- I think the fact that he was bandwagoned against to near death itself proves that he is likely Town-oriented.
Haster, I don't really understand where you're coming from here. Your double standard is a little alarming, why would you not save JSpazz, when, based on personal convictions only you might suspect him a little? I don't think, given the cavalier attitude with which RoL fired the nuke, that he was really intending to hit a mafia or townie or anything.
The intent with the RoL nuke was just to mess with someone.
Meanwhile, my intent with the L nuke was to eliminate someone who I see as a anchor to the town's effort at best, and mafia at worst. I think my nuke's direction had a whole lot more of a reason to be chosen than RoL's did.
You can show that I am not above town law by lynching me. I've stated this time and time again. I got the message from the RoL lynch loud and clear, but I fired that nuke for a reason, and I'm willing to face the consequences should it fail. Also, you really can't continue lynching non-approved nukers past Day 2 and my possible lynch. Otherwise, you'll end up lynching all the town, and the mafia who didn't do anything will laugh and win.
But I think we should let the nuke fall on L, and wait for the mafia to bail him out, or not. Town should not waste any more anti-nukes.
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On March 27 2010 01:30 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 01:24 L wrote:Meanwhile, my intent with the L nuke was to eliminate someone who I see as a anchor to the town's effort That would probably be why someone would want to stop it, right? I think he means anchor in terms of something holding back a ship. Rather than the other interpretation of anchor, being a solid foundation to build something on.
Oh yeah, I never thought about the other positive connotation. I was originally going to say 'parasite' but I subbed it out for something a little less harsh.
I meant 'anchor' as in the object that prevents forward progress, and weighs the team down.
So to clarify; "Meanwhile, my intent with the L nuke was the eliminate someone who I see as a parasite to the town's effort."
Sorry for the confusion.
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On March 27 2010 03:43 Bill Murray wrote: So, given the current situation of us having airborne nukes and no plan, WHAT'S THE PLAN?
Also, I'm waiting on L.M.N.O.P. to come out with a huge wall of text.
I think we're in a bit of a limbo until the nukes hit, or are shot down. When they do, and we figure out to what faction Jspazz and L belong, we can start to see how people interacted with either player.
Then we've got the night period, where we're essentially waiting to see what the mafia's next move is.
Finally, after night, we'll have a dead townie, and more evidence with which to judge the most appropriate Day 2 lynch, whether that be myself or someone else.
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In essence, we're waiting for someone to make another move, (or not make one).
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On March 27 2010 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: Right. I know that much. What I'm asking is what the town consensus is. I know what you want to do: Let the nukes hit and mess up our beautiful Earth.
I personally want to save them both, regardless of their color, as I want to save the ToD. I know the argument is "well, it's only a couple nukes (the first few that could hit of the game)", but we can't continue to think this way.
Well, now that you've used an environmentalist argument against me, I'm torn! My country hereby will commit to devoting acres of land to national parks, and each citizen of my country will plant a tree tomorrow. Also, we're participating in earth hour.
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But in all seriousness, we need to weigh the consideration about saving our anti-nukes as well. I think as well, that allowing at least one or two nukes to fall might be beneficial, in that by seeing how the radiation levels change, we might be able to put up a better guess at where the ToD actually is.
You're right in that we can't continue to think this way, but 'continue' implies future action, if we let both nukes fall, then we can subsequently not fire any other nukes.
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On March 27 2010 04:20 L wrote:If you were so worried about the number of town controlled anti-nukes, why would you attempt to nuke me prior to asking people? I was going to extend the day if requested anyways; there was plenty of time to talk about it. Show nested quote +You're right in that we can't continue to think this way, but 'continue' implies future action, if we let both nukes fall, then we can subsequently not fire any other nukes. "its okay for me but not for anyone else to do what I did" Cool beans. Well, yes that's exactly what I'm arguing. I mean, the nuke's in the air, no point in second guessing the past, eh? At least you actually understood something I said for once.
(But I thought you were going to ignore me?)
On March 27 2010 04:24 Bill Murray wrote: Unless someone gives me a reason not to other than "it will make you look like mafia", I'm going to be anti-nuking the nuke that is going at L soon. I would rather use what I have than get capped in the night by mafia and have it be unused.
I've tried to provide a reason. If L is mafia, then we should let the mafia save him. We should not waste town anti-nukes on people who are not confirmed townies.
But even more so, Bill, what the hell were you thinking with that?
You've made a huge mistake to claim your possession of anti-nukes, BM. There was nothing suggesting you would be killed in the night, until now. Which means that if you aren't killed tonight, I'll be damn suspicious of you. And at that, to be honest, I really don't see an out for you. You've essentially requested to be killed in the night, and the choice is whether or not you feel like using your powers. I believe that we let the nuke fall on L, and see what color he is, and whether or not anyone stages an intervention on his behalf.
But in claiming to posses anti-nukes, you've essentially destroyed the possibility of the town using them later in the game for our own benefits. That's like roleclaiming to be the last medic in the game.
That's the most unproductive thing ANYONE has done this game. Goddammit.
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On March 27 2010 04:24 Bill Murray wrote: Unless someone gives me a reason not to other than "it will make you look like mafia", I'm going to be anti-nuking the nuke that is going at L soon. I would rather use what I have than get capped in the night by mafia and have it be unused.
Also, why would you attempt to save L over JSpazz?
You yourself should know clearly what happens when we let L run his own witch hunts against random townies whom he doesn't like.
I guess it's just a matter of preference, but from my perspective, JSpazz deserved it a lot less.
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On March 27 2010 06:29 Elemenope wrote: First off - what the fuck at these nukes. I really hope that after the game, RoL gives some insight about why he decided to use his revenge nuke on jspazz rather than caller.
As for the L vs whoever crap: stop being so clouded by emotions. Holy shit. People can be dick to others, but that doesn't make them any less town than others. Yeah, L may have a history of running buses, but like I said earlier - if you think he's running an unjustified bus, attack his argument, not the person. A lot of people are confrontational, but we can't just attack L because he seems to act like a douche while responding to everybody else with logic. If you feel that wrongly about L, look past the name, and look at the posts for flaws. He's already posted way more than some of our lurkers. If you think somebody's wrong, attack his arguments. You don't even have completely destroy the argument, just put doubt in people's minds so that player doesn't get bused.
To be fair, this all started with a debate over whether or not the person who launched the first anti-nuke should come forward.
That was an argument about facts and strategy, and would've remained so had it not escalated. I think we're both mutually responsible for that one. Eventually it got to a point where it was derailing the thread, and I was seriously starting to doubt L's intentions in pursuing a strategy that would almost certainly get an innocent townie killed, at least in my view. Somewhere along the line here, L apparently 'eviscerated' my arguments.
I'm repeating myself, but there were other reasons for my nuke beyond thinking L was an arrogant asshole.
Regardless of the outcome - my first lynch target is going to be tree.hugger due to him claiming responsibility and because he launched an unsupported nuke.
If you believe this to be in the best interests of the town, so be it.
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On March 27 2010 08:25 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 07:58 haster27 wrote: Seriously, where is the unanimous mood the Town shared against nuke at early stages of the game? At then everyone agreed that non-concensus nuker was bad, and only matter up to debate was whether we should counter-nuke or lynch him. I simply cannot understand why people are suddenly changing their stances to say that nuking is fine as long as it is fired against "unconfirmed" Townie. And nukes shouldn't be fired without discussion, but I have changed my opinion, we should account for them once they have been fired and use them to our advantage, not just save people and lynch idiots, if we can be reasonably certain that they are town.
Essentially my position.
Nuke's in the air, maybe I made a bad call, and maybe I made a lucky call, but either way, there's no going back and taking it back, there's only the choice of whether to shoot it down or not.
On March 27 2010 07:16 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +I launched the nuke for two reasons: - The first was that L had it coming. If he's town, and the nuke kills him, then at least we'll be spared his incessant whining and opining until the next mafia game. (and he invariably will try to kill me off immediately, but that's a fight for another day...). I know he probably won't change, but I was getting tired of him anyway. - The second reason was that I'm curious to see if L is mafia or not. About the only way I can force a rolecheck is by nuking the dude. If he's saved, hopefully enough people will see the light, and we'll also get the name of one of the mafia-aligned countries. Third reason: As I've said multiple times throughout the thread, when L is posting, important town discussions literally get shut down, and L moved the discussion to whatever inane thing he thinks is important. L really doesn't help the town much at all. these three reasons spread over two posts. 1) Invalid From a purely logical point of view, yes, I concede the point.
2) So if we're curious about someone being scum, we should just launch a nuke and ask for it to hit because we can't force a rolecheck either way? Oh, of course not. My example is a terrible one to follow, I would certainly not like anyone else repeating it.
3) Then shift the focus away from that. If you think he's being a detriment to the town, state so - use CAPS bold giant red coloring to get attention. I didn't use caps, but I did think he was making a terrible argument/advocating a terrible strategy, and I said this many times.
The only reason why L has the ability to derail threads is because people fall into his 'word traps'. L can't derail a thread by himself, the player list isn't just L, L, L, L, L.
That's what L thinks, though.
On March 27 2010 07:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +The only reason why L has the ability to derail threads is because people fall into his 'word traps'. L can't derail a thread by himself, the player list isn't just L, L, L, L, L. Its more like L is dumb enough to refute arguments multiple times, so when they're restated he repeats his counter argument. I think I'm going to start numbering my posts and paragraphs so that I can refer back to the argument in paragraph 2, post 6 or some shit.
You've seriously got to tone the ego down.
You're right as often as you're wrong. Get it into your head that your intellectual weight is no greater or lesser than anyone else here, we're all trying to do our best to support the town effort, and that by working with people you can achieve more than by browbeating everyone into falling into line behind yourself.
Learn a little humility, and learn a little patience, and learn to treat people with a little more respect.
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On March 27 2010 08:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:On March 27 2010 07:53 johnnyspazz wrote: hrm so im a retard and didn't read my role carefully do you guys mind if i save myself and L at the same time? wat seriously i dont even know
Oh, and this is hilarious.
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On March 27 2010 08:58 johnnyspazz wrote: forget what i said about my day 2 abilities, i dont have anything special besides nuking. i'm just going to save myself, obviously, and save L, because i dont think nuking someone for personal reasons is smart. i'm letting the ToD stay at zero.
So wait, you mean after you use your two anti-nukes, you'll have nothing special besides nuking?
Fair enough, we start again with zero evidence of anything, and down three anti-nukes. Not where I hoped we'd be, but it's your right to save yourself.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What is this madness?
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On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow?
Wrong, we have to lynch North Korea.
Also, since my nuke didn't land, I won't be voting for myself tomorrow. I regret that a little, because I was honest, and I wanted people to know my sincerity, but oh well.
This is the game that keeps on giving.
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On March 27 2010 12:15 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:13 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? Wrong, we have to lynch North Korea. Also, since my nuke didn't land, I won't be voting for myself tomorrow. I regret that a little, because I was honest, and I wanted people to know my sincerity, but oh well. This is the game that keeps on giving. Yes, let's lynch NK! So, who are we lynching again?
Well yeah, therein lies the problem.
Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future.
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On March 27 2010 12:18 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:08 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:51 L wrote:On March 27 2010 11:48 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:45 L wrote:On March 27 2010 11:44 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever
im going to save him if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched I hope you realize that verse said she would nuke, I believe. You're wasting antinukes if that's the case. You realize she's not afk, just talked in the other game, and ignored the entire NK/time running down conversation going on here, right? Intentional lurking and a hugely anti-town threat to nuke. Why would you let her of all people dictate town policy on something that was already agreed upon? How does any of what I said relate to her dictating town policy? Her being the deciding factor on where town wants to place anti-nukes seems to be a bit of a town policy issue, no? I don't think we as a town had even decided whether to use anti nukes or not as the issue was split with some people supporting your death while others had wanted you to live. I think the fact that it was pretty much down to the wire for your save also shows this. Now, Verse is going to shoot a nuke if she does follow up with her claim, and we're back to the same situation, just down an antinuke which is necessary late game. On top of that, with only one anti-nuke a day, BM can't save you after that. Can you really claim that it was in the town decision to save you if you don't get saved after that second one? Although I'm glad that you're alive since you don't really offend me or anything and I do believe that despite some cases of self-preservation, you do make good points, you have to also see the situation that we're down an antinuke and we still have the possibility that you'll die from Verse/anybody else willing to fire a nuke. I can only hope your power is strong enough to offset the loss of the antinuke. Well, you're looking at this from the perspective of a game without information; Anti-nuking now instead of later means we have more information prior to mafia being able to start their kill machine going. Given the method of lynching is by majority vote, it means that more information early provides us with more analysis for lynches during a time in which the volume of mafia input is minimal. Additionally, yeah, the town had spoken pretty clearly. The only people who presented a strong opposition to the save as far as I can tell are tree.hugger, Versatile, Iaaan and Fishball. I'm probably missing someone here, but look at that list: 3 of the members there are people who initially wanted to get rid of me during my ban duration which was an obvious anti-town move. By contrast, players who are relatively confirmed or confirmed, spazz and opz, for instance, were against letting shit hit. If someone throws a subsequent nuke in the face of the entire town saying "no more nukes" (except to kill people nuking, imo) its a pretty clear sign of mafia intention. So if Versatile IS town, actually going through with her threat now might suck up another anti-nuke, and will result in her death either way. If she's mafia, she doesn't really give a shit. She's very high on a huge spectrum of players' radars already. Either way, I still don't understand this "anti-nukes are better later!!!" statement. They're good to stop town directed hits always. The more people we keep alive who are town oriented, the stronger the town direction during lynches is. The more townies who die, the more nukes, anti-nukes, and abilities we lose.
This is actually pretty well argued.
I think what this hinges on is exactly how many anti-nukes the town has. Which is a number that, of course, we don't know. I feel that Japan likely has at least one more, given the cavalier attitude with which they threw that first one out. I don't know if Bill Murray has others, although he's admitted to having at least a nuke. Beyond that, we don't know that much, and JSpazz's death removes another source of anti-nukes.
People with anti-nukes would be smart to keep at least one in reserve.
On March 27 2010 12:28 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:17 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:15 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 12:13 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? Wrong, we have to lynch North Korea. Also, since my nuke didn't land, I won't be voting for myself tomorrow. I regret that a little, because I was honest, and I wanted people to know my sincerity, but oh well. This is the game that keeps on giving. Yes, let's lynch NK! So, who are we lynching again? Well yeah, therein lies the problem. Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future. A remark we can't exactly trust, especially given the situation that transpired.
That's not true, you can trust what I say. I haven't said one dishonest thing this game—no matter what you think about the 'quality' of my comments. When I said I'd vote for myself if you flipped green, I meant it. When I say I won't be nuking in the near future, I mean it.
Argue against my decisions and ideas, but there's no benefit for me in deceiving anybody.
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On March 27 2010 12:58 Bill Murray wrote: Believe me about my reasoning or not, but here it is:
L and LMNOP to me are both very pro-town this game. L has his own personal way of helping the town when he is green/blue, which is to put heavy FoS onto one person. That's all hes been doing this game. He has been going after tree.hugger much the same way that he went after me when I made two stupid crucial voteswings that looked like they resulted in both an innocent death, and a botched election. In my defense, I wasn't sure if he was red last game, as I wasn't all that familiar with his style when hes pro-town because the only game I had played with him previously to that one he was red. I do not really have a read on many other people, and I don't know if I even really trust LMNOP as much as I trust L. I could be wrong, I've been wrong in the past. I've posted a list of 5 names where only 1/5 were correct (Malongo), but many reputable players have made a similar mistake (showtime, for instance). I'm not saying I'm perfect, but given my read of L being pro-town, and the fact that I could die before getting to use that in the night-period as I mistakenly and stupidly let my possession of my weaponry be known to everyone.
Should I sit back and let a fellow town-member die? No. Would I if it was someone who was not contributing to the thread? Sure. That being said, it is obvious that I feel like L is contributing his heart and soul to catching whoever is conspiring behind the scenes. He has put more FoS this game than some of you have put throughout your entire mafia careers. If you really feel like he is red because of my anti-nuking for him, lynch me, and offer your own head when I don't flip red, because I won't.
"He who saves one life saves the world entire" I have saved and preserved the world as it is, and this was my goal. I have done my part to guarantee that the ToD will not have risen from the improper actions that have taken place. You all should consider trying to stop nuking so we can save the world.
I don't think anyone is really disagreeing with your decision, BM, I certainly see where you're coming from. Honestly, the minute you claimed anti-nukes, your options were pretty limited. I wish you would've been a little more subtle about it, but hey, what's done is done.
You also missed my grand plan, which was to broker a peace between you and L, by having you save his life. Yes, everyone, that was the plan all along!
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