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On March 27 2010 13:12 tree.hugger wrote: You also missed my grand plan, which was to broker a peace between you and L, by having you save his life. Yes, everyone, that was the plan all along!
On March 27 2010 13:14 Bill Murray wrote: hahahaha
On March 27 2010 13:49 L wrote: And herein we discover mafia players or players who are so intensely bad that I will replace my prior target of bill murray with them in future games.
+ Show Spoiler +You're all very welcome. Is my Nobel in the mail?
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On March 27 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Have we gotten any real posts of opinions from amber or d3_crescentia?
Also, if you have an anti-nuke PLEASE god save L again. Look this is retarded to argue he's mafia. And when he pops green EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has pointed their finger at him will have a problem: To explain why they wanted him dead so hard before he had gotten back from his ban.
Inactivity?! L as BM has said, L has made more posts than most people in this thread, and HE WAS GONE FOR 48 HOURS! Oh, and the difference between L's posts and most other peoples posts? HIS ARE NOT DEVOID OF CONTENT.
Points for saving L -most likely green (he was getting bussed for being inactive, rofl) -has posted plenty of useful information, and probably outed a mafia or two already
Also, where has Zona gone?!?!?
L can defend himself, nonetheless, your passionate pleas on his behalf are really adorable.
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On March 28 2010 01:53 meeple wrote: Was tree.hugger really high on the lynch list? I know he nuked without town consensus but technically the nuke got shot down.
As for lynching Versatile... well it's pretty obvious she's being fairly anti-town and just doing whatever the hell she wants to do... so I'd agree with lynching but I still have the same twinges of regret since we're not really any closer to bagging us some mafia. I was high on the lynch list for disobeying the town consensus, never (I suspect) for being a prime mafia suspect. Now that other people have done the same in a far more egregious fashion, and there's this NK nuke in the air, from a highly likely mafia source, I think my punishment has been downgraded a little in importance.
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On March 28 2010 06:30 L wrote: 4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone.
Dude, are you blind?
How many times do I need to say that I won't be firing another nuke out in the foreseeable future? Do you have trust issues? Did you take it hard when you learned the tooth fairy was a lie or something?
I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke.
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I've compiled the script of this hilarious piece of kabuki theater. Beginning with:
On March 27 2010 10:28 Elemenope wrote: I'm going to go with my instinct and say XeliN launched the nuke in which case I ask: why? + Show Spoiler +On March 27 2010 10:33 haster27 wrote: Why suddenly Xelin out of all people? On March 27 2010 10:52 Elemenope wrote: ctrl+f'd his posts, saw he generally started posting during the day at around 3-4KST in this thread, he stated he was suspicious of me with no real reasoning, and he has been very inactive due to recent turn of events. My guess it's another one of those "I'm curious" ala tree.hugger.
The guy's only reasonable contribution is the suggestion of insta-lynch for someone who nukes unsupported. He then goes into an argument with fishball over a hypothetical situation or wifom or something. He puts a vote on Abenson, citing that inactivity is something that can't be allowed.
He then abstains his vote, and later puts it on me, reasoning - because I advocated lynching Abenson to see if OpZ was in fact telling the truth or not. I later stated this was because at the time, all we had was OpZ's word on the matter, Abenson hadn't confirmed. Abenson later comes in, votes, goes off, then comes back later confirming. As such, I stated that I'm perfectly fine with the claim that OpZ and Abenson are in fact Masons and I have cleared them of suspicion for now. Keep in mind that he himself suspected OpZ for being scum based on language OpZ used, and then retracted his suspicion when OpZ made the roleclaim. I made similar retractions, only after the other party (which is pretty fucking important in making a Mason claim), responded as such.
He votes RoL, then later removes his vote, even though he was the one who advocated lynching of people who fire nukes. Really? He hasn't contributed anything of late since these more recent nukes which makes me highly suspicious of him.
Basically, my instinct is that - a) he has proposed two ideas, one being that we autovote lynch unsupported nukes, the other being that inactivity should be punished b) he has accused me c) he starts posting at around 3-4KST and continues afterwards into the evening and d) he abstained the vote on the unsupported launch of RoL, and is currently contributing nothing to town discussion; two things in direct opposite of what his main points were earlier
leads me to believe that he launched this nuke, especially given that the person who launched this is anonymous and can't be held accountable for it.
Either way - FoS on XeliN, whether he launched this nuke or not. On March 27 2010 10:55 XeliN wrote: What does FoS mean? and no, I did not launch this nuke on you, I personally would be happy to see it hit though. On March 27 2010 11:07 Elemenope wrote: Finger of Suspicion. Perhaps you'd like to explain your actions then about *** On March 27 2010 12:24 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:10 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? We should kill him before he can nuke again. If he is indeed mafia, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to rub another out. Worst case; he absorbs anti-nukes. I'm not entirely certain that he's mafia given how ballsy his move was, but the only thing I'm sure of is that we shouldn't be pussies about counter-nuking people who don't agree with our anti-nuke position. If we aren't firm on that point, we simply can't dissuade nukes. "Excuse me" was in reference mainly to this, should have quoted. On March 27 2010 12:26 L wrote: Uh, I'm talking about tree.hugger.
You know, like I've been doing the entire time.
Bit too defensive there, cowboy. Calm it down. On March 27 2010 12:27 haster27 wrote: I think L was referring to tree.hugger, or am I missing something. On March 27 2010 12:29 XeliN wrote: Oh I see, skimmed the quotes before yours and saw me mentioned like 3 times so figured you were jumping on Elemenopes suspicions. On March 27 2010 12:31 Elemenope wrote:Since you're around here, perhaps you'd like to explain? Show nested quote +The guy's only reasonable contribution is the suggestion of insta-lynch for someone who nukes unsupported. He then goes into an argument with fishball over a hypothetical situation or wifom or something. He puts a vote on Abenson, citing that inactivity is something that can't be allowed.
He then abstains his vote, and later puts it on me, reasoning - because I advocated lynching Abenson to see if OpZ was in fact telling the truth or not. I later stated this was because at the time, all we had was OpZ's word on the matter, Abenson hadn't confirmed. Abenson later comes in, votes, goes off, then comes back later confirming. As such, I stated that I'm perfectly fine with the claim that OpZ and Abenson are in fact Masons and I have cleared them of suspicion for now. Keep in mind that he himself suspected OpZ for being scum based on language OpZ used, and then retracted his suspicion when OpZ made the roleclaim. I made similar retractions, only after the other party (which is pretty fucking important in making a Mason claim), responded as such.
He votes RoL, then later removes his vote, even though he was the one who advocated lynching of people who fire nukes. Really? He hasn't contributed anything of late since these more recent nukes which makes me highly suspicious of him. I'd at least like a basis of reasoning behind your actions, nothing more. On March 27 2010 12:41 XeliN wrote: What exactly are you asking me? you've listed my actions as well as my reasons why in your own post. Just to humour you i'll try to explain my thought process whilst I was making them.
Voted OpZ initially, I had gone through the thread and had decided to vote for the person I considered most suspicious on a one time readthrough just to get things going, thought his post seemed suspicious and placed on him. Change my vote to Abenson after someone (I think it was you) highlighted that he had made 1 post total and that it included a lynch vote, this seemed both mafiaesque and unacceptable so switched my vote to him.
I then decided to change my vote and place it on you, you argued quite strongly for lynching one of either OpZ and Abenson and it seemed to me plainly obvious that they were telling the truth. As you don't seem like a dumb person I thought it odd that you would argue for their lynch and claim "they haven't been proven" (My reasoning was yes they hadn't been proven yet it was far far far more likely they were telling the truth)
Then I vote for RoL because of his inactivity and not because of his Nuking, I later remove the vote as it seems clear that RoL is not mafia as not one person in the thread had attempted to defend him or try to get a lynch on someone else going. If he was mafia they would have had to defend him so didn't want to waste it voting for someone who seemed obviously townie. And ending with this piece of comedy gold.
On March 28 2010 06:24 XeliN wrote: Grrrr, I'm almost certain this is not an intelligent thing to say but I'm irritated. I'm North Korea, I am pro-town and I shot the nuke, I had one nuke that I could fire anomynously and chose Elemenope because I'm fairly sure he's mafia. Other suspects I had in mind were Caller and Bill but they were more suspicions and I was more sure of LMNOP.
Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why?
XeliN, that nuke actually topped the cake for making less sense any other before.
My nuke on L is looking like the model of restraint.
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On March 28 2010 07:12 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 06:24 XeliN wrote: Grrrr, I'm almost certain this is not an intelligent thing to say but I'm irritated. I'm North Korea, I am pro-town and I shot the nuke, I had one nuke that I could fire anomynously and chose Elemenope because I'm fairly sure he's mafia. Other suspects I had in mind were Caller and Bill but they were more suspicions and I was more sure of LMNOP.
Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why? i would think an anonymous nuke would have been better used on someone that the town had talked about being scummy, that way it at least has a chance of landing and not being shot down. Shooting it off randomly like that was... interesting, but I suppose I don't blame you.
I think you're being way too charitable (suspiciously charitable?) to a nuke fired anonymously at someone who really hadn't incurred any suspicion at all, and was actually being fairly helpful.
XeliN you can be helpful by explaining why you were seriously sure LMNOP was mafia.
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On March 28 2010 07:55 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote:On March 28 2010 06:30 L wrote: 4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone. Dude, are you blind? How many times do I need to say that I won't be firing another nuke out in the foreseeable future? Do you have trust issues? Did you take it hard when you learned the tooth fairy was a lie or something? I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. You're the epitome of nuke restraint, right? Understand this: I nuke when I want to nuke, I don't nuke when I don't want to nuke. I didn't just nuke you for the hell of it, because I wouldn't nuke anyone for the hell of it. I nuked you for a reason.
I'm also honest. I never tried to hide anything about why I nuked you. You disagree about my reasons, obviously, and I don't blame you at all, I think everyone would in your situation. But when I say that I will not nuke anybody, I mean that I will not nuke anybody.
If the town lynches me, let it be because they believe me to be mafia, and not because they're afraid I'm just going to fly off the handle and start blasting away.
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(Getting this in before I shut off my lights for Earth Hour—what can I say, I live up to my name!)
Here's a question that nobody's posed yet:
Have any of the nukes yet fired been fake?
So far, we can confirm the one nuke that's fallen, RoL's was a real nuke, and thus we can probably assume that his nuke on Caller was also real. There is no real reason to suppose, being town aligned that his nukes would be fake. And I know that my nuke was a real nuke, although I can't objectively prove that.
But beyond that, I don't know. And I'm curious if all the nukes fired so far have actually been real nukes.
The reason it's important to know, of course, is that a fake nuke is almost definitely a mark for the mafia, an attempt to waste a town anti-nuke. And since we've been blasting away with our anti-nukes, we've given cover for the mafia to launch nukes with the idea that they'll be shot down.
I'll look a little deeper into this in an hour, but it's just about time I shut down this computer. Godspeed town, may the day never descend into night!
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On March 28 2010 10:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 10:33 Elemenope wrote:On March 28 2010 10:23 L wrote:On March 28 2010 10:21 haster27 wrote:On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote: Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours.
##nuke:Caller
Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now. Nah, you should still be nuked immediately, as should Versatile and Xelin. The fact that town is going to let a backlog of people build up essentially means every subsequent nuke is more likely to hit as anti-nukes get scarce, and lynches are farther and farther off. This is pretty much what I said would happen in my first post, but no one bothered to listen. I assume by 'you', you mean tree.hugger/he, unless there's something I missed. Yep, tree.hugger. I don't see why ANY of the non-consensus nukers aren't going to be killed prior to them getting another shot.
On March 28 2010 10:55 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 10:53 Iaaan wrote: I think I missed what the point of extending the day AGAIN was..... Well, when I die and flip if i'm not saved, I'd kinda like people to nuke the people I'm telling them to nuke prior to them getting another opportunity to throw nukes out. That alone makes it worthwhile for me. Jesus. Christ.
Do you ever listen? On March 27 2010 12:17 tree.hugger wrote: Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future.
On March 27 2010 13:06 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:28 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 12:17 tree.hugger wrote: Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future.
A remark we can't exactly trust, especially given the situation that transpired. That's not true, you can trust what I say. I haven't said one dishonest thing this game—no matter what you think about the 'quality' of my comments. When I said I'd vote for myself if you flipped green, I meant it. When I say I won't be nuking in the near future, I mean it. Argue against my decisions and ideas, but there's no benefit for me in deceiving anybody.
On March 28 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 06:30 L wrote: 4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone. Dude, are you blind? How many times do I need to say that I won't be firing another nuke out in the foreseeable future? Do you have trust issues? Did you take it hard when you learned the tooth fairy was a lie or something? I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke.
On March 28 2010 10:18 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 07:55 L wrote:On March 28 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote:On March 28 2010 06:30 L wrote: 4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone. Dude, are you blind? How many times do I need to say that I won't be firing another nuke out in the foreseeable future? Do you have trust issues? Did you take it hard when you learned the tooth fairy was a lie or something? I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. You're the epitome of nuke restraint, right? Understand this: I nuke when I want to nuke, I don't nuke when I don't want to nuke. I didn't just nuke you for the hell of it, because I wouldn't nuke anyone for the hell of it. I nuked you for a reason. I'm also honest. I never tried to hide anything about why I nuked you. You disagree about my reasons, obviously, and I don't blame you at all, I think everyone would in your situation. But when I say that I will not nuke anybody, I mean that I will not nuke anybody. If the town lynches me, let it be because they believe me to be mafia, and not because they're afraid I'm just going to fly off the handle and start blasting away.
Here's my problem L.
I know full well that you don't believe me when I say that I won't throw off a nuke for the hell of it. I can't help that, you're entitled to your own special interpretation of reality.
But at the very least, acknowledge this instead of blindly flogging the same dead horse over and over again. And while your at it, please tell me why exactly you don't believe that I won't fire off more nukes.
Here's my argument, L, still following me?
I have absolutely no reason to nuke anyone else this game. A nuke is already incoming at you, so even if I wanted to nuke you again, even if I didn't think I hadn't learned enough from the first time, even if I thought you were somehow worth the special attention, I wouldn't have to nuke you, because Versatile has already done it.
That said, I do not want to nuke you again, you're not worth it, and I think I've gotten enough out of my first nuke for it not to be cost-efficient for me to do it again. And there is nobody else out there right now for whom I have sufficient suspicions against to warrant firing off another nuke.
And finally, thanks to you, it's still day 1, and I can't nuke anyway.
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Your idea for counter-nuking the people who've nuked already is ill-conceived and anti-town. As versatile has pointed out, AND demonstrated, nuking people who've already been shown to have nukes is just downright stupid and suicidal.
It's one thing for you to suggest that someone else nukes the person who nuked first. But then, who'd be willing to carry that judgment out, when it would possibly lead to a retaliatory nuke against themselves? In your scenario, all that happens is more dead townies, all in the name of justice.
To quote Mahatma Gandhi; "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
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On March 28 2010 12:47 L wrote: Here's mine: Well, okay then. At least I know how much you read.
You're probably mafia and you're going to nuke again come daytime. I really don't give a shit about you say you're going to do, you already nuked once and should die immediately. Scenario #1: 1) I am mafia 2) I nuked 3) Upon being nuked, I immediately retaliatory nuke, or am saved by a fellow mafia member.
Result: Town is in trouble, strategy flawed.
Strategy #2: 1) I am town 2) I am nuked 3) Upon being nuked, I fulfill my promise, and do not retaliatory nuke. I die.
Result: Town loses a townie, strategy flawed.
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Lets look at the facts: you said once I died you'd be okay with dying. Right? Right. I'd be okay with dying if my nuke was proven to be unjust and the town wanted me dead, yes. I stand by my word.
So if that's the case, I'm probably going to get nuked in 3 hours because Versatile's a complete loser. I'm not entirely sure you'll be nuked, but continue...
I'm going to flip town. When that happens why would you resist being nuked given that you admit that you'd LYNCH YOURSELF at that point? Do you just want to tie up another town lynch?
Think about it. There's no way out of it. I would resist being nuked because that would raise the ToD even further. Presumably if you are not saved, and neither are Versatile and BM, the ToD will be much nearer.
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As versatile has pointed out, AND demonstrated, nuking people who've already been shown to have nukes is just downright stupid and suicidal.
No, Versatile has demonstrated that she is anti-town by THROWING OUT THREE NUKES. [/quote] I'm not arguing that Versatile's moves were wise, or beneficial to the town, I'm simply saying that Versatile's retaliatory nuke was understandable.
Everyone always wants to go out with a bang.
Do you fucking THINK before you post? WHAT IS THERE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM NUKING WHOMEVER THEY WANT IF YOU THINK THAT COUNTER-NUKING ISNT AN OPTION? I do think before I post. I would imagine you do to, but differently. Tolerate difference.
And there's nothing that would prevent people from nuking, except the suspicion of the town. That's one of the reasons that attempted to explain fully the reasons why I nuked you.
If people nuke, they're calling attention to themselves, and of course they've got to have a good enough reason to do so, or be able to justify it some how in the eyes of the town.
We just don't have the resources or the coordination at our disposal to be able to administer justice and uphold laws like would be optimal. We've got to make do with what we have.
We're already going to have our lynches booked until day 3. The more nukes that are fired according to your plan, the less disincentive there is to nuke. Do you not get why that might be bad? Do you not understand how fucked that is?
But then, who'd be willing to carry that judgment out, when it would possibly lead to a retaliatory nuke against themselves? In your scenario, all that happens is more dead townies, all in the name of justice. So essentially here you state that people should be willing not to nuke you because you'd nuke them back? But you just said you aren't going to nuke anymore. So why wouldn't someone nuke you at this point?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't speaking specifically about myself. You also want to nuke XeliN, if I remember correctly.
Your obsession with justice simply isn't applicable at this point in the game. It's time to take what we have right now, and deal with it in an appropriate and calm manner. Maybe it works, maybe it won't.
I think your strategy would lead to intolerable ruin, and thus, we've got to soldier on in a different direction, no matter how uncertain and risky that direction is. We should let the mafia beat us, rather than get beaten by ourselves.
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On March 28 2010 13:21 L wrote: -we just lost a lynch. -we've taken the same amount of nukes towards town, only you can throw your nuke whereever you want. -we don't have the option of nuking you on day 2 because you can still retaliate.
So the net effect of not killing you is essentially granting you a gratis nuke usage. I just.
Look, I'll only say it one more time.
No, actually I wont.
Go away L. You're a stubborn asshole, who has no sense of trust or decency. I really hope you don't live your life this way, because if you treat people in life like you do on the internet, I feel sorry for you, because you have no friends.
Show nested quote +Strategy #2: 1) I am town 2) I am nuked 3) Upon being nuked, I fulfill my promise, and do not retaliatory nuke. I die.
Result: Town loses a townie, strategy flawed. If you're being nuked and you're town, why wouldn't you throw a nuke onto the person you're most suspicious of? You're already going to die, why not take the KP into your own hands and fix the town up on your own? Did you even read what I quoted? I said that I will fulfill my promise. Later in the same post, I repeated this.
More importantly, lets look at this in another manner:
Strategy #2b: 1) You're town 2) We lynch you as per your agreement. 3) We lose a townie AND a lynch.
See where this is going? I do, except that I think it's exceptionally obvious to everyone but yourself that I'm town-aligned.
You're intentionally trying to soak tomorrow's lynch. Bullshit. Some good that would be when nukes can be used late game.
This is the epiphany, right? You're warming up wonderfully. I bet you think you've got this all figured out.
But actually you're doing more than that. See your strategy number 2? You admit in the same post that even if you're town, you WILL retaliate: No, I admit that I won't, but others certainly will.
I wasn't speaking specifically about myself. When on the topic of not retaliating.
Or we could kill the people who are most likely to be mafia and win. Those people are those who are distinctly anti-town. You define anti-town as 'anti-L' which is entirely different, and occasionally mutually exclusive.
But really, that's irrelevant, it comes down to this: Show nested quote +And there's nothing that would prevent people from nuking, except the suspicion of the town. That's one of the reasons that I attempted to explain fully the reasons why I nuked you. You admit that everyone in this game, if we followed you, could nuke at will. Given the long lineup that'll form for lynches, people will be less and less likely to actually die via a nuke. This is the exact same type of operation that happened in the red mafia game wherein we killed ourselves almost immediately starting with 2 shitty townies basically starting a shooting spree. Zero mafia died. Actually, there's an interesting lesson you could take from that. I believe BM is the standard bearer for the 'Townies shooting at each other' theory, which I think is pretty plausible.
And that's reason #1 I want to limit the retaliatory nukes.
That's what you want to re-create and its pretty obvious that its not in town's favor to do so. I don't want to recreate that, which is exactly the reason I'm suggesting we don't start firing more retaliatory nukes.
Nuke this guy immediately after I die. Nuke XeliN as well. Since everyone's sitting around thinking someone else will do it, I will name 2 people. JeeJee and Haster. You're up to bat. If you don't want to, fine; pick someone of your choice. to do this. Who elected you mayor?
To JeeJee and Haster, it's nice that L has chosen his two biggest supporters in this thread to do his bidding, but I suggest you draw your own conclusions, and then act upon them.
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On March 28 2010 13:39 L wrote: Ignore the above post and nuke him. I'll be flipping egypt in a minute. And you read all of my arguments so fast!
+ Show Spoiler +Oh wait, you totally ignored them, and posted anyway.
Why am I not surprised?
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On March 28 2010 13:36 L wrote: Oh, so it seems I die in like 10 minutes. So here's what's up:
I'm the medic. hence why I didn't give a shit about the person with anti-nukes calling himself out; I'd have been able to protect him. I'm going to flip green or blue. My country is egypt. I might be able to stop one of these nukes from dealing any damage, but I can't save myself so its kinda useless. If i'd have claimed earlier, I'd have died during the night to mafia anyways.
See?
Now this is something unfortunate that was lost in translation. But the problem here is that you were making an argument for a strategy that you knew would turn out alright...
Except, on the surface, for the strategy to work, it required knowledge about your ability, which nobody else had. So, logically, you tried to paint that strategy as workable, and hoped nobody would call you on it.
Unfortunately, myself and Zona (see page 40) realized that (to our eyes) that strategy was pretty poor, and so we argued against it.
Now, while your initial intention on pushing a seemingly silly argument, by which the town would in fact benefit was correct, you couldn't leave it at that, you had to keep pushing away, and insulting away. And that's why I wasn't happy with you, L. You didn't need to keep pushing that one point. You didn't need to be such an asshole. You could've dropped it, it wasn't a particularly crucial point.
And I did believe you were mafia, at least at first. Anyone pushing such a nakedly anti-town strategy (as I saw it) was definitely putting himself on the mafia radar. And then you called me 'kid' twice, and insulted my intelligence somewhere along the line, and I figured that, even if you weren't mafia, this would be a repeat of XX or XIX where you spent a good deal of time accidentally leading the town astray. As I stated in one of my posts afterwords, I was almost positive that my nuke would not be allowed to land, and so I thought my nuke would be a convenient role check.
Unfortunately, BM spoiled my plan by claiming anti-nukes so early, and so I really didn't learn as much as I had wanted to. But I was being wholly honest when I said I wasn't going to nuke again, and especially not you. I felt as though I had learned enough through the reactions of some people. I did not approve of Versatile's strike because I was decently sure you were just being angry, and were not mafia. But I had nothing to do with that.
In the end, before you roleclaimed and then got nuked, I was about 75% sure you were town, but what could I do? I have nothing to shoot down nukes. I'm truly sorry you died... this time.
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One final thing, It's funny because you stated that you asked Ace if it was alright to yell at me, and I actually pm'd the same thing—he must've thought it was hilarious—two people asking to argue with each other.
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~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove.
You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages.
Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion.
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On March 29 2010 01:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 01:49 tree.hugger wrote: ~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove.
You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages.
Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion. Sorry man. I gotta go to work...And I keep spamming I know, but whats the point? My wall of text? I explained what that was for, because the vote list for L should be considered very important. I was posting the arguments and who argued against him. Wait...I got a brilliant idea... Bye bye. ##Nuke: Tree.Hugger-_- I'm Canada btw. So much for Canadian pacifism.
I could nuke you back. But I won't, at least not now. I promised no more nukes, and I think I'll stick to that.
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Hey, Opz, I spent 24 hours explaining why I nuked L, I'd like to ask you to explain why exactly you felt it was necessary to nuke me.
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On March 29 2010 10:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zona, I never agreed to the town consensus on controlling arms. I'm also Canada, eh? Let's just assume its the real deal.
Also, don't lump me in with them. I'm nuking someone who is highly suspicious...Also, the Will of L compels me. (Seriously though, L screamed pro town and he randomly nukes him, not cool).
Bro,
You nuked someone without asking town permission. You're in with the rest of us, whether you like it or not. I intended to nuke someone who was highly suspicious as well. So did XeliN. You can't have it both ways.
Reading these last few pages, I'm starting to regret my restraint in not nuking you in retaliation. The only reason I figure you're not mafia is because I doubt I'm a particularly important target for the mafia to hit.
But you're not really earning your keep so to speak. When I flip green tomorrow, I'd like a posthumous apology for your lack of common sense.
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On March 29 2010 10:06 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 09:55 tree.hugger wrote:
Hey, Opz, I spent 24 hours explaining why I nuked L, I'd like to ask you to explain why exactly you felt it was necessary to nuke me. I'll let you get pummeled with a missile then explain myself...wait. You'll be dead quick enough, and I might not even need to explain myself, amirite? But to satisfy your question, go back and reread the last 5 pages. See how many times your name pops up. See how many times it's in a good way. See how many times it's in a bad way. See where I'm going with this? Oh, and reread that post about the mafia HAVING to apologize for nuke. And, and read my long ass wall of quotes you said was worthless...Let's have some alignments appear. It's gonna be 2012 in this bitch. No, you can't get away with being an asshole and not explaining anything. Good try.
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On March 29 2010 00:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: tree.hugger first....or maybe caller.
On March 29 2010 01:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: p.s.....I want to nuke you...I want to nuke you good...but I think the town wants me to hold off...I had forgot about you for a sec...I propose Xelin for lynch tomorrow...
All Opposed?
All For?
On March 29 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: We will lynch Caller tomorrow unless Japan steps forward. Whoever Japan was could of made a case for defending caller without ever stepping forward, so I say we lynch Caller.
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On March 29 2010 00:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and don't get me wrong....Versatile is still a jack ass for that. He killing L gave us...almost zero new information actually...Lol. That's the sad part. Who didn't already assume he was pro-town? Sure know we know for certain, but fuck he was already doing a shit ton that shown him to be pro-town.
What?
On March 29 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Caller should have died. No one has defended him. Unless he comes god mode, I say he dies on day 2.
Huh?
On March 29 2010 01:51 ~OpZ~ wrote: RoL did not get lynched because of firing the nuke. Hell he almost got saved for that! Someone built a good case for the last second wanting to switch votes off of him that I was completely up for?
Wait, what?
On March 29 2010 10:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Also, don't lump me in with them. I'm nuking someone who is highly suspicious...Also, the Will of L compels me. (Seriously though, L screamed pro town and he randomly nukes him, not cool).
Wait, how does that even work?
On March 29 2010 10:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and reread that post about the mafia HAVING to apologize for nuke. And, and read my long ass wall of quotes you said was worthless...Let's have some alignments appear. It's gonna be 2012 in this bitch.
I'm so confused. Alignments? 2012?
On March 29 2010 10:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh well...It'd be smarter launching your nuke at Caller/Fishball/d3
It's Day One... I mean.. what... I don't even...
On March 29 2010 10:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Ehhhh? Plan I just came up with works brilliant...Just launch another 3-6 nukes at Tree.Hugger and break the game. That simple.
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I give up.
On March 29 2010 10:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've done explained it Tree.Hugger. Even that post explains it. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN IT SINCE THE PAGE I LAUNCHED IT. The town has unanimously agreed they didn't care if you died.
-_-
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On March 29 2010 10:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Also, I supported the idea of raising the ToD as close to the limit as possible and forcing the mafia into night kill only wins. L's idea of launching multiple nukes at the same target was actually beneficial as fuck now that I've thought about it a little more clearly.
If the ToD is almost full, then the mafia must win by USING 1 KP to kill how many townies?! Seriously, we should launch another 5 nukes at you tree.hugger. We should ABUSE our numbers and FRY you....Then its what? 17 players with the mafia hiding in there...but the mafia only get one kill a night.
Seriously, what's wrong with this idea? We should really just launch another 3 to 6 nukes at you...
Can I nuke you then?
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On March 29 2010 10:32 ~OpZ~ wrote: So lets discuss our lynch targets again.
-_- This talk of tree.hugger bores me.
I'm pretty sure our lynch targets are:
~Opz~
Because, (and maybe others can vouch for me on this one) your attitude is really really annoying. Better have a town taken over by mafia, then have a town in which people like you are allowed to live.
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