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On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote: All I can say is: rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote. I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here. | ||
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Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen Caller Citizen Haster27 Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands? I'd rather his lynch be already set up. Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI Just need one more to lynch. | ||
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JeeJee D3 LMNOP I would like to hear from all of these players as to why they haven't cast their votes yet. The argument is a pretty split one. Maybe I'm missing some things, but I would like to know every elses take on whether they trust Caller or not. | ||
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JeeJee, Caller, LMNOP and Iaaan seem to agree with me... So from where your standing would you say JeeJee, Caller, LMNOP, Iaaan, Abenson, and I are all mafia? | ||
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On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote: Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty. I think you are playing very poorly for not getting a position on any of them. I suggest you go read the thread and decide where they stand. Makes sense to me. | ||
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On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote: Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty. Gonna change your vote? Time's getting pretty close. | ||
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On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: With ~OpZ~ and Abenson changing his opinion, JeeJee seems to be most detailed post arguing for citizen lynch. Let me rip his arguments to shreds. Argument about vote counts This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM. Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target. Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? I have to go momentarily for now, so I'll post my thought about JeeJee's remaining arguments later. Where were you to further argue with me earlier? I would of preferred that. Honestly I have no idea which of you is mafia. Caller not being mafia pretty much hands the game over to town, right then and there. Almost everyone becomes confirmed. Sounds extremely nice. Now let's see if he's right. Citizen voters and would-be voters: Iaaan LMNOP Caller JeeJee I would like this to be noted. I would also like it to be noted all who didn't cast their votes. D3. Abenson, Haster, Myself, Citizen. Let's see where this goes after Caller dies. D3 cast your vote. | ||
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On April 09 2010 06:46 Elemenope wrote: Before going any further: I'd like to hear your mafia suspect list. Please cast your vote for the suspect that seems most scummy. JeeJee should say his role now. I assume he's protown. I assume Iaaan is protown also through knowledge of the daytime nuke protection. Now there is Caller and LMNOP I can't judge. Abenson and I are masons. 2 confirms, and 2 EXTREMELY likely townies. Haster, Citizen vs. Caller - Let's see where it goes. And the nonposting d3. I'm not going to post my suspects. Please post your vote and further arguments. Convince me I'm wrong. I shouldn't need to explain my change of vote to someone who didn't vote. | ||
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But citizen....As a fellow wanter of mafia death...And seeing as you are town as you claim, and LMNOP so graciously attacked you. How do you feel regarding him? | ||
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You were perfectly fine with Citizens death at 5:03. Had I not nuked, we would not be having this discussion. Don't act like my change to Caller even matters at this point. The fact that you were perfectly fine not voting, DESPITE THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO. Did you notice Citizen didn't change his vote? Oh, and if you would of voted, guess what? MY VOTE CHANGE WOULDN'T OF MATTERED. So, let me get this straight...you were perfectly fine in this lylo situation to be over with a citizen lynch earlier. but once I change my vote to Caller you need to think about it? Hi Mafia. | ||
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On April 09 2010 07:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...LMNOP... You were perfectly fine with Citizens death at 5:03. Had I not nuked, we would not be having this discussion. Don't act like my change to Caller even matters at this point. The fact that you were perfectly fine not voting, DESPITE THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO. Did you notice Citizen didn't change his vote? Oh, and if you would of voted, guess what? MY VOTE CHANGE WOULDN'T OF MATTERED. So, let me get this straight...you were perfectly fine in this lylo situation to be over with a citizen lynch earlier. but once I change my vote to Caller you need to think about it? Hi Mafia. EBWOP: citizen didn't change his vote til 5:46. My bad. Before you use that against my argument. You were fine with citizens death earlier but now you need time to think about it? Well you are GOD DAMNED WELCOME FOR THE TIME THAT MY VOTE CHANGE/NUKE allowed us to have. A thank you would be appreciated. | ||
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On April 09 2010 07:43 Ace wrote: Oops sorry if the old post wasn't clear, but day was ending on Friday not today regardless of nukes. But not Majority Decision for lynch, like LMNOP seems to of forgotten... | ||
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