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LMNOP are you missing the fact that you argued COMPLETELY against ONLY citizen and not caller?
You didn't argue WITH ANYONE for not voting, despite you thinking the WHOLE TOWN should be thinking. This is not what you do. I argued all day, and extended the day MULTIPLE times, and set up a decent idea yesterday. I tried to pull votes, I bashed Caller all day yesterday. Even suggested Nikon was third party. And then next, IF you KNEW as you claim I was going to extend the day, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN why casting your vote mattered? There is no lynch til all nukes land, and according to you, you knew they wouldn't be landing anytime soon. Not like it would matter. and AGAIN Do you not realize that why I changed my vote doesn't matter? I've done explained IF I DIDN'T THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED. You pointed this out. I've pointed this out. You seem to be okay with the day not being over, but upset about me changing my vote? Because if I didn't then Citizen would have been lynched by his own hand? Because I wanted more discussion? Because you didn't vote? Because I think Caller is mafia? Because I'm stupid? Because I'm a jack ass? TAKE A REASON.
Stop pointing your dirty red fingers at me.
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JeeJee...The argument isn't the point. Ignore my vote for Caller. Ignore Abensons. I'm not discussing them. I've justified my intentions to him. Your claim rests on saying Infund/Citizen lied about their claims. Mine rests on Caller lying again.
You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too.
For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum"
"Nah sike, I'm JAPAN"
"I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!"
Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied.
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On April 09 2010 09:25 haster27 wrote:First, you are ignoring my first paragraph that Mafia could have tried to frame more evidence against him, but I'll accept that this is a point that cannot be verified. Second, Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now? God thank you for re-posting this.
JeeJee, of COURSE caller would claim AGAINST THE PGO. They can't Kill him AND win in one move.
Why not just lynch him, because his role CANT BE VERIFIED. If you're scum, why not attack the one person who has the least evidence supporting him, while still having virtually NO EVIDENCE against him either. Although I did attack infund a while back....maybe someone should resurrect those posts....lol
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On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 09:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee...The argument isn't the point. Ignore my vote for Caller. Ignore Abensons. I'm not discussing them. I've justified my intentions to him. Your claim rests on saying Infund/Citizen lied about their claims. Mine rests on Caller lying again.
You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too.
For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum"
"Nah sike, I'm JAPAN"
"I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!"
Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied. Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. Having a restriction on when you can launch your nukes isn't being an actual townie. That's having a role that stops you from launching your nukes unless your nuked. Big difference between townies. Caller's logic is flawed on Iaaan's role. Nikon had a role related to nukes. I image our "One Shot Day Doc" had a role that related to nukes. RoL had a role that was related to nukes.
And again, WHY WOULD CITIZEN/infund PUBLICLY argue they kill the person who comes to them at night. I wouldn't say that.
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Searched the entirety of TL and all say No role of PGO on it. I'm down for believing Citizen unless Infund plays on Mafiascum.
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On April 09 2010 09:40 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 09:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: LMNOP are you missing the fact that you argued COMPLETELY against ONLY citizen and not caller? No, I'm really not. What else do I have to argue when Caller's situation makes sense in retrospect; however the role claim of a role whose inherent role properties have been removed when no other role in the game has had any portion of their role taken away is very suspicious to me. This has been the whole point of why I railed against citizen/infund, because the role of Paranoid Gun Owner has been claimed by infund yesterday, yet even by his/citizen's own admission today, that is not in fact what their role is. Are you completely missing this fact? Show nested quote +You didn't argue WITH ANYONE for not voting, despite you thinking the WHOLE TOWN should be thinking. This is not what you do. I argued all day, and extended the day MULTIPLE times, and set up a decent idea yesterday. I tried to pull votes, I bashed Caller all day yesterday. Even suggested Nikon was third party. And then next, IF you KNEW as you claim I was going to extend the day, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN why casting your vote mattered? There is no lynch til all nukes land, and according to you, you knew they wouldn't be landing anytime soon. Not like it would matter. and AGAIN Do you not realize that why I changed my vote doesn't matter? I've done explained IF I DIDN'T THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED. You pointed this out. I've pointed this out. You seem to be okay with the day not being over, but upset about me changing my vote? Because if I didn't then Citizen would have been lynched by his own hand? Because I wanted more discussion? Because you didn't vote? Because I think Caller is mafia? Because I'm stupid? Because I'm a jack ass? TAKE A REASON.
Stop pointing your dirty red fingers at me. The reason I didn't cast a vote? Because we don't know if mafia have an anti-nuke or not stillSeriously, Why the fuck are you guys casting votes when we have no idea if there's a mafia anti-nuke out there? If there's a majority on a townie, that's a fucking game over right there if mafia launch an anti-nuke. Think.This is why I'm upset. The fact that you railed against Caller yesterday, suddenly reversed your opinion in an almost 180 degrees today when Caller does his claim, then do another 180 for no apparent reason at the very last fucking second in order to get a majority on Caller. I'm finding your Mason claim especially suspicious now. First off: you two are Masons, supposedly confirmed on Day 1. I'm not sure if other people realize this but Masons are a very fucking important role for the town. They have free communication with each other, they know each other to be confirmed townies. This is a tremendous advantage in terms of information gathering. The fact that the mafia haven't killed you yet to nullify this advantage just amazes the fuck out of me. Secondly: You guys seem to be hardly coordinated as Masons. First lynch: 15 people vote for RoL, you two were two among them. Second lynch on Xelin: Abenson votes for Xelin while you vote for Caller. Third lynch on Nikon: Abenson doesn't even vote while you vote for Caller. You guys are supposed to be Masons. Confirmed townies that know each other to be confirmed townies. Yet you guys can't even coordinate your votes properly. Bad Mason communication? Or perhaps mafia trying to spread votes? Thirdly: This whole day? Looks like fucking bullshit overall. Seriously. I don't see the logic at all from going to attacking Caller yesterday, even claiming that Caller should be lynched over Nikon yesterday, to defending Caller and throwing a vote on citizen, then at the last second switching to Caller and claiming that you don't need to give the reason for your switch in vote other than "well, he could be lying." Well guess what, so could every fucking person in here. The fact that both you, abenson, citizen, *and* haster all voted for Caller, tipping this into a precarious situation doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, with this missile being shot, this looks like a fucking setup in order to get a townie killed through having a majority vote sit during a nuke launch, then anti-nuking it while it's in the air. This whole nuke passing thing seems like bullshit, especially since they can choose to do it as many times in the day as they please it seems. Even looking back, it makes sense too. As I said earlier, what if the mafia have an anti-nuke still available? You two have been the ones initiating these false nukes today and yesterday in order to extend the time. Then when nemy launches a missile, and gets it reflected back, you save an anti-missile. This creates the illusion that there are no anti-missiles available to the town to use. Then suddenly, you two launch these presumably fake nukes with the same intention of making sure a majority vote doesn't happen too soon and that we have things to discuss, but at the same time, masking your intention to get a majority vote on a townie, then doing a surprise anti-nuke and thus ending the game. I have no nukes and have no problem launching a fake in order to extend the day if this is going to be ignored in favored of a "well, this guy seemed suspicious from day 1, so let's lynch him when we're in a lylo situation" defense. If you want a vote ##vote: Opz. I would highly suggest, haster, that you look at your vote again. The so-called Masons may in fact just be fucking Mafia.
mafia either A) had only one and used it to save Caller, or B) Citizen is mafia.
Mafia would of used it to kill citizen earlier. Thank you LMNOP.
Our votes? Did we need to be on the same person? Caller wasn't getting lynched yesterday, it was obvious. Abenson took his vote to no lynch, AFTER I told him to so we wouldn't kill without discussion. He just never changed it because IT DIDN'T MATTER. Again, his vote for Xelin? It didn't matter again. Go read the numbers. I told him a lynch is better than no lynch. I believe I argued for Xelin's lynch rather repetitively. I've also BEEN ARGUING FOR CALLERS LYNCH ALL GAME.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=89 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=102
If you want information to use against Citizen and haster check those pages out.
I had a very important point with all of this. Asking haster to look at his vote again? Haster voted For Caller BEFORE ME. Haster Argued with me for lynching Caller. He's argued not to lynch Citizen. The fact that you disappeared when Citizen WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED is a point enough to be suspicious of you. You don't seem to be vanishing when Caller's head is on the chopping block, yet you don't give to shits when citizen's getting it?
Oh yea, I been saving my anti-nukes all right. Just waiting for the right moment when a townie's gonna get lynched. Me and JeeJee tried to save RoL for a bit, realized we couldn't...then just sat there like "Fuck." I've ACTUALLY SAVED Zona from being nuked. PROVEN BY ABENSONS CLAIM OF U.K. and U.K. SAVING ZONA. Pow, right in the kisser.
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Again...All I have to say is, are you SERIOUSLY going to suggest I'm mafia. Lol. United Kingdom saved Zona. Check it. Little did Abenson and I know it was a fake nuke, but regardless, U.K. shot it down. What country did Abenson claim? U.K.
Anyone else claim it? I think not.
and again POW- right in the kisser
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On April 09 2010 09:56 JeeJee wrote:
Actually, our "one shot day doc" was simply a colorful name for a townie who had an antinuke at his disposal. I PMd Ace about this because i was freaked that we lost two doc's (L and BM) in the first day and there is no way there would be a third doc with 1kp mafia.
The thing is, they have said it. By claiming PGO, you are claiming you kill people that visit you at night. Likewise, if I were to claim vigi, I claim I can kill a person of my choosing at night. Don't you think if I came out and said "Hey guys, I'm a vigi, my special power is voting during the day" it would look just a wee bit sketchy? A claim like that is lynch-worthy. Every time. Look at Nikon "Hey guys I'm a vet and my power is to.... reflect nukes? oops back to scumville I go"
I'm really confused by your underlying motive to argue this. We have a false claimer in our hands and we're ignoring it? When is this ever a good play? Sorry. My earlier quote didn't pop up. "Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now?"
Address this point. Would you tell the mafia you would kill your night visitor, when you have 3 nukes, and a nuke theif? I wouldn't.
How about if you wanted to get hit? Go read infunds claim. He actually first comes out and says he has 3 nukes. That would draw a smack wouldn't it. We should of had Infund nuke our australian friend yesterday, (sry nemy).
On April 04 2010 04:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I can roleclam for you guys as well, though it's nothing exciting: I am China, pro-town, and have 3 nukes. However I am not allowed to nuke anyone unless they nuke me first. Hi Hi!!! HE CLAIMS!!
Sry for that?
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Also, Haster and Citizen have nothing to do with my position on voting for Caller. I've done said I suspected the fuck outta haster. I've said one out of him and LMNOP was mafia. I just happen to find this making plenty of sense. And everything I've done up until know has made perfect sense.
Hi Haster.
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On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 09:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee...The argument isn't the point. Ignore my vote for Caller. Ignore Abensons. I'm not discussing them. I've justified my intentions to him. Your claim rests on saying Infund/Citizen lied about their claims. Mine rests on Caller lying again.
You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too.
For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum"
"Nah sike, I'm JAPAN"
"I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!"
Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied. Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. I posted my quote explaining WHY citizen would lie about his role. Then pointed out that Infund claimed PGO AFTER explaining he could only fire nukes as retaliation. Well after. Hunted the post down for you.
On the hand hand, there was a nuke stealer you are ignoring, that I posted about earlier. Check the nested quote, Haster's post fuck up, made mine stay hidden. I thanked him for posting MY QUOTE.
Caller didn't actually lie about his role, if you believe him to be DT. Inadvertently he may have lied is what I meant IF he is INFACT dt, by being Insane. No need to look.
(I addressed most of those points in the post I figured, and addressed them in another post)
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Haster...I'm glad you caught on to what I did. Can we agree that LMNOP is mafia now?
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On April 09 2010 11:02 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 10:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote:On April 09 2010 09:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee...The argument isn't the point. Ignore my vote for Caller. Ignore Abensons. I'm not discussing them. I've justified my intentions to him. Your claim rests on saying Infund/Citizen lied about their claims. Mine rests on Caller lying again.
You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too.
For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum"
"Nah sike, I'm JAPAN"
"I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!"
Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied. Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. I posted my quote explaining WHY citizen would lie about his role. Then pointed out that Infund claimed PGO AFTER explaining he could only fire nukes as retaliation. Well after. Hunted the post down for you. On the hand hand, there was a nuke stealer you are ignoring, that I posted about earlier. Check the nested quote, Haster's post fuck up, made mine stay hidden. I thanked him for posting MY QUOTE. Caller didn't actually lie about his role, if you believe him to be DT. Inadvertently he may have lied is what I meant IF he is INFACT dt, by being Insane. No need to look. (I addressed most of those points in the post I figured, and addressed them in another post) you're not making any sense. your answer to why citi.zen would lie about his ability to kill people at night is to draw a nuke steal, correct? Here's the problem. He claims he has 3 nukes (enticing a nuke steal) but during the same day he claims PGO. If he wanted to entice a nuke steal, he should have waited with this claim until at least after the night, yes? Many other points you are missing by the way.. should i repost them? Yes please be my guest.
He claims it in the same day. I believe Caller should be posting and d3 damn sure needs to make his vote selection. I don't think he'll be on to change it, and this is a very important vote.
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Do remember no one has ever used PGO on here. It doesn't sound like a bull shit claim infund would of just made up. Right?
But yes. We seem to be on the same page. Our arguments defer with whether or not we believe Caller to have visited the PGO at night. I say no.
JeeJee...I really believe you to be confirmed. With the path you are going down is detrimental. I would love it if you nuked me right now JeeJee btw. I still have my retaliation on abenson, and I would love to have another retaliation on you. Abenson will probably be more capable of posting tomorrow, while I will not. This day needs to not end any time soon, and I myself would like two nukes in the air.
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Modkill at this stage?!?! Ahhhhhh GET ME ON THE LINES TO ITALY, GET HIM BACK, GET HIM BACK...I'll be responding soon JeeJee...But I've seen we've been in a bad way all game. The only reason I would prefer the nuke sooner as opposed to later, I won't be active 12 to 8 pm EST tomorrow....I'll be active tomorrow morning and night though....Give me a minute, going to see if the shower is occupied.
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On April 09 2010 11:35 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: Do remember no one has ever used PGO on here. It doesn't sound like a bull shit claim infund would of just made up. Right?
But yes. We seem to be on the same page. Our arguments defer with whether or not we believe Caller to have visited the PGO at night. I say no.
JeeJee...I really believe you to be confirmed. With the path you are going down is detrimental. I would love it if you nuked me right now JeeJee btw. I still have my retaliation on abenson, and I would love to have another retaliation on you. Abenson will probably be more capable of posting tomorrow, while I will not. This day needs to not end any time soon, and I myself would like two nukes in the air.
as far as i recall, nobody has used a roleblocker role as well in TL mafia before this game. i believe zona's setup was the first one to use it (although i did miss quite a few games so i may very well be wrong). However, this isn't important. There's just one version of the roleblocker, and likewise there's just one version of PGO. If it were something else, it would be called something else, plain and simple. There have been mafia roleblockers in previous games I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but red army 1 I think had them. Caller's post of what the PGO is had a direct link to a similar role that operated the same way. Two versions. And think about the creative names Ace has given roles? I'm not a Mason. I am a Masonic Shield. I'm not gonna lie, your arguments are pretty swaying.
Also, that is not where our arguments differ. You explicitly stated you believe citi.zen lied about his role to entice a nuke steal. And the fact that his nukes weren't stolen you attribute to the fact that he claimed PGO. You can't have it both ways, pick one. THIS is where our arguments differ.
You say citizen lied, I say Caller lied. Maybe he didn't want to post the rest of his information about night killing people who come after him?
To specify even further, my main argument for picking citizen over caller is that citizen lied about his role whereas caller did not (he did lie about a variety of other things however, which, as i've said, would make him my lynch target in an instant until citizen appeared). Moreover, citizen's lie fits right in with a mafia reaction to a FoS to deter DT checks. It does NOT at all fit in with a townie lie to entice a nuke steal.
True...Citizen would of done better claiming his nukes were stolen. Smart boy, smart boy.... But stating you have 3 nukes IS pretty enticing. How many nukes were stolen from you JeeJee?
This is what I'm trying oh so desperately to convey to you, and you seem to be missing it.
and yeah i'm ready to nuke whenever, although i believe we still have a fair amount of time
I don't believe my judgment is wrong here. We have two people, quite likely but not necessarily on different teams, one of which is a lying roleclaimer, the other one is just confusing as fuck. In a lylo situation (unless it is 6-3 but i doubt it) i can't believe we are not lynching the confirmed lying roleclaimer. It does not get more scummy than this. Nikon demonstrated this much too accurately.
Very true. We need people to argue. That's how we prevail. Through our discussion. I'm still not convinced of Caller's innocence. It pretty much becomes moot if Ace was just making flavor for the name as he did with me and Abenson.
please tell me you understand my position now and understand how yours is not correct wrt nuke stealing and citizen's excuse for lying. then we can move on to the other points. This is the most important though as citizen's lie is my whole basis for lynching him and if it is not fully understood, we're in trouble.
My position is very much so where I want it to be. It's citizens "lie" vs Caller's "lies."
I understand staying off the radar, but do we really want to think that the town and the mafia were both just puppet mastered by caller? And me and you were both Detectives that one game...we were pretty much puppet mastered against Vivi in Caller's game...I know you remember that...
Ace. Please give d3 a little longer than 6 hours, I'm not really sure he's U.S. because he said something about going to Italy earlier. I'm not even sure when his last post was. Can you prod him via PM? Modkill this late, if he's town ends the game, and if he's mafia...well...it gives the game away...
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Well lets see who this teddy bear feller votes for....
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On April 09 2010 12:25 JeeJee wrote:sorry, it seems i have missed communicating one very important point. we have confirmation that citizen lied. we do NOT have confirmation that caller lied (at least not yet). This is what boggles me the most here, that we are voting for a 'maybe' over a 'for sure'. let me elaborate -- citizen claims his ability is to counter nukes. Then he claims his ability is PGO. One of these is a lie. We know this. You bring up the point that he may have left out the piece about killing@night because he wanted to entice a nuke steal. I pointed out how this cannot be the case because he did not wait for night post before he changed his claim. also Show nested quote +True...Citizen would of done better claiming his nukes were stolen. Smart boy, smart boy.... actually i believe this would paint him in an even worse light if it were possible -- after his claim of PGO, someone presumably visits him at night and does not die. This would just mean another lie. Townies have no reason to do the lies that citizen has made. The ONLY reason that I can see, you have outlined: enticing a nuke steal. However, the events that transpired after rule out this possibility completely. In fact, they actually fit in very well with a mafia choosing to claim PGO in order to stop your FoS from becoming a reality. maybe you actually nabbed a mafia there and caused him to panic? oh and finally, one nuke was stolen from me also, re: this latest replacement, i guess this means waiting for a d3 modkill isn't an option, so we are back to discussing citizen vs caller. i'm trying my hardest to explain my position, and i'm pretty sure my judgment is correct here.
Look man....we need more people than just me and you talking here. I have to concede to your logic for now. But again, that is implying Ace took the role from mafia scum and used it word for word how it was to be used. Like I said, it could of just been flavor like my role was.
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Funny how everyone who has had Caller as a number one suspect just became his best friend.
Caller, don't fall back into obscurity now.
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It doesn't make sense. I would never waste an anti-nuke saving town if I was mafia.
I also Championed saving L. Your argument is idiotic. There was no need to respond to it. Lol. "Oh hai, you're mafia, but you argued for saving L + saved Zona + breadcrumbed Abenson so two mafia would seem super townie!"
Although I suppose if you believe Caller's BS story, mine seems pretty fucking epic too. Lol...Which story seems more made up. Lol. JeeJee isn't even arguing how town I am. Only you are. Who are you trying to convince I'm mafia LMNOP? Me? Or town?
Lol!!!
If you forgot that fact too....It was either me and JeeJee (or haster I forget which) who tried to save RoL after him came back posting like a fuck. I also called Nikon as third party, instead of mafia.
Also, I'm not explaining myself. Haster seems to have caught on. So if he is mafia, he sees wtf I just did. Citizen was about to lynch himself. I extended the day what, 2 minutes before his death? Maybe he was sitting there f5ing to save himself....You damn sure weren't trying to prevent that lynch from occurring right then. Perfectly content in letting it go through right after Abensons nuke fell.
Also, that only applies if I'm scum. I'm a MASON. I've had Zona saved. I tried to get L saved (which BM did), I tried to save RoL. All seem to be confirmed townie to me by now, right? Oh, I also tried to save Nikon and have Caller lynched yesterday....
Haster, if you would like to post what I've done, be my guest. I want someone else to show LMNOP how amazing blatantly obvious I just raped him. If you're wrong don't feel bad, cuz I'm pretty sure your right. It was pretty brilliant, IF Caller is mafia.
Um...You have 1 vote, yes. YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS, like you seem to be pretty interested in right now? Where was this when Citizen was killing himself YESTERDAY. Maybe you don't have all day to sit around a computer, but you damn sure had time to respond to me nuking and changing my vote.
Citizen was only at 5 votes, BECAUSE he voted for himself. Mafia obviously only have one anti-nuke that they used to save Caller.
Also, Ace, this game seems a shit town more balanced than the one on mafia scum. The nuke stealer is arguably a town role if Ace modeled that role off the two games on mafia scum. But I do think you would tell the mafia countries not in the game to prevent the mass roleclaim vs. anti-nukes like it....
Basically. Points: 1)I'm not mafia, Abenson saved Zona. Your argument is we did that to further our town image...which was already amazingly pro-town.
2)I'm not mafia, I championed saving plenty of pro-town. I tried to save RoL (I only voted for him to save abenson), and I tried to have L saved.
3)I think wasting an anti-nuke saving a townie I had begun to suspect for a bit is crazy...I would damn sure be selfish with it, and NEVER have claimed I had an anti-nuke.
Your arguments for me being mafia are fail. You sat by waiting for citizen to die. You sir, are mafia.
I'm asking Haster to explain what I did, for my own personal Lulz. I'd explain it, but I really want more posting.
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Look at that, Haster is even on!? Omg...LMNOP you get to find out just how crazy the whole world is in a very short time!!
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