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3. This is a game. Have fun. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. "You roleclaim like a dirty jew" is acceptable. "Go fuck yourself" is not. You know the difference, just don't get mad. Does anyone else find this bizarre..... | ||
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Some thoughts on the setup. 15 v 5 with a traitor (so 14 town vs 6 scum) or 16 v 4 with a traitor (so 15 town vs 5 scum) Not sure which is more likely, I assume the second since it seems like 15v5 is pretty standard balance wise. But given that this is a theme game(and with a magical theme), and that most players probably have an ability of some sort, I wouldn't be too surprised if its 5 mafia plus a traitor. Although, that wouldn't give us many mislynchs/mishits to work with. Presumably there is a godfather in this game, since we have mayor/pardoner roles, and they can be alignment checked(or at least I assume so). Without a GF the mafia wouldn't bother running since the mayor/pardoner is very likely to be checked in the early game. If mafia does have a GF, it is undoubtedly Voldemort, and he likely can kill people(possibly a comp vig). Which means, if we have a tracker role, people running for mayor is a good place to track. Of course, the mafia could just as easily stay away from the vote altogether, but that's great for the town anyways. The mafia can likely use the imperious curse. Which means, if your action obviously goes astray, and you know you've been imperioused then you need to let everyone know so that we have a better idea of what assets the mafia have. If you have a very strong role (compulsive vigilante or something) and have been compromised, you probably need to take one for the team and get killed somehow. However, I doubt we have any roles that are quite that powerful. Thoughts? Corrections? Additions? | ||
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1) I mean to say that if we get 20 people as opposed to 25 I will make it 16 vs 4 On June 21 2010 11:21 johnnyspazz wrote: OMG GAME STARTED! If only we had 25 players, then mass name claiming would own. Maybe we still should unless mafia were given a safe name to name claim as. Given the setup, I'm not going to be running for mayor. Never have been confident in my ability to lead. New players should not be running unless they know they are qualified to run. YellowInk, I nominate you since you were theorycrafting ways to break the game, I bet you have a great idea that helps the town. I think BM was pretty adamant about people not name claiming. However, given that we didn't get a full slate of 25, it could be more lenient than it was before: I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. Jspazz, reading your post gives me an idea. Perhaps we should have people only allowed to run if they are nominated by another player. This means that the mafia GF will not be able to run for mayor unless another player nominates him. Most players will not be nominated, which means another mafia will have to nominate them if they really want the position. That could very likely give us a direct link from a mafia to a GF or vise versa. It might also discourage the mafia from running. | ||
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On June 21 2010 19:48 Amber[LighT] wrote: Also mayoral candidates should consider a working list of people they think they should lynch, but don't post who you would lynch immediately. The best system is to get a majority on who the town would like to lynch, since Day 1 lynches are typically pretty random we should just make sure it's a choice the whole town is behind. The question always seems to be, lynch someone who is inactive, or someone who is mildly scummy. Given the likelihood that we have a fair number of townies with some sort of special power, lynching an active player doesn't seem like a great idea. However, we have two days until we(the mayor) need to make a decision, and hopefully we'll have a good amount of discussion on all topics by the end, so it should be easy to pick out the contributors from the non-contributors. | ||
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However, if we can get someone with a powerful ability(a detective/medic) as mayor, then it's a big boon for the town, since that player is unkillable for a decent amount of time. | ||
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On June 22 2010 03:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'll go ahead and nominate amber[light] for mayor since he seems to be talking sense at this point. I'd suggest not to nominate radfield because frankly he played pretty badly and was inactive for long stretches last game. Amber, why don't you post a plan you'd carry out as mayor, including first lynch? Honestly I don't think I played particularly badly, I just got a little overzealous with my accusations and actions. I really don't think people looked very objectively at how I was playing. Also, I think the fact that I was shouting "AFJ is mafia" all game colours your perception a bit . However, the fact of the matter is I don't have the time right now to super hunt for mafia like I did in those first few games, but I do have enough time to be active in the thread. A big difference that I didn't account for last game. Also, Amber[light] seems like a good candidate. However, in the interest of having more hats in the ring, I'll nominate hesmyrr. He's been quite active in each game I've played with him(maybe only 1 though?). The key is to have someone who's very very active as mayor. They need to be willing to put effort into this game, take the lead, and hunt for mafia. That's simply not me this game, and won't be for a few months. But that way if we elect a mafia we have a much better chance of discovering it. So know this mayor elects, if you are not super active after being elected, you will begin to climb the scum list. Same goes for the pardoner. I think this makes sense. | ||
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YellowInk zeks DCLXVI Abenson People who have posted, but no substance: Jugan laxercanon Stormtemplar Ludwig We need some people making cases for why they should be mayor, and we need to discuss them. Hesmyrr, Amber[light], and yellowink have all been nominated. I'd love to hear your pitches guys if you're actually going to run. If anyone else has nominations then the sooner you put them forward the better. | ||
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On June 22 2010 14:34 Bill Murray wrote: i dont mind roleclaims, but i wont let what happened in caller's game occur i also would like to state that the minister of magic will in fact receive multiple votes This certainly changes things. MoM is a much juicier position for mafia now, as they can effect the voting considerably. This makes it much more worth the risk to go after MoM as mafia. YellowInk seems like a smart player, and more importantly an active one, so he has my tentative vote. If you are elected YI, who will you lynch? As far as the pardoner goes, it really doesn't make sense for them to ever use their power unless they were mafia. Going against the town majority like that will almost guarantee yourself to be lynched. I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the pardoner skill used. | ||
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@roffles: We do actually need to start discussing the lynch, because the day ends in 4-5 hours. Unless you feel confident that the mayor will make the proper decision I will still run on my own if Radfield doesn't feel like he wants the position as pardoner. Like I said I think I can function much better as the MoM so we need to make sure the votes are in line to have myself as no. 1, and radfield as no. 2 I'm fine being the Pardoner. I can certainly guarantee that I won't pardon anyone. Also, to clarify my activity levels: I will be active in the thread, and I'll be actively following everything that's going on. I just can't devote a ton of time to searching through posts hunting for mafia. I will still be doing this, but not to the extent I would like(It's not like I'm just going to go AFK this game). Whomever gets elected as mayor, DOES need to be doing this though, and needs to be actively leading the town. I think Amber[light] so far seems like a good candidate, Yellowink would probably also do a good job (Hesmyrr would probably do a good job as well, but he has a shaky schedule). I will vote for myself for the moment(in an effort to be pardoner), but I'll definitely change my vote to Amber[light] if needed to ensure he gets mayor. I think he's the best candidate. Also, checking both mayor and pardoner is a good idea, as it gives a measure of credibility to the pair(they can't both be godfather). However, here is BM's quote on Legilimancy: Legilimency: The ability to read someone's mind. I will give you a PM on their thoughts, and you may use that information to deduce what character the person may be. I don't think we'll be getting quite as accurate results as we are assuming. Seems like we get more of a clue as to the persons identity, then any kind of alignment check. If this is the case, it may be more difficult to determine alignment than previously thought, and depending on how familiar one is with the books, you might need to post the 'thoughts' into the thread. | ||
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On June 23 2010 06:43 johnnyspazz wrote: well darnit, if i change my vote from amber to you yellow, then radfield wins MoM and no one wants that sorry yellowink Look, I don't even want to be mayor. I've already said it several times. I think both amber[light] or Yellowink would do a much better job then me, and will hopefully be more valuable to the town. I voted for myself for pardoner, for the sole reason of NOT using the pardoner role. I will absolutely change my vote off myself if it looks like I might get mayor. Anyone who has voted without stating their reasons needs to do so now(including those who voted for me). People presumably have reasons for why they voted, and they need to explain those reasons. It gives everyone much more information to work with. No one gets a free pass with voting just because it's in another thread. | ||
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On June 23 2010 07:50 Jugan wrote: Amber, in the post I quoted from you - were you saying that you were a mason? Just checking, because there was a little ambiguity there. Lets hope not, since it's one of the only things Bill was adamant about not doing. | ||
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Here is a quick list of players who were far to inactive, or didn't contribute much on Day 1: JeeJee Jugan subversion Stormtemplar Ludwig Abenson Please step it up to the best of your ability. I will also try to do the same. I'm off to bed, Good Night | ||
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On June 25 2010 03:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: First another thing I noticed...Radfield didn't die night one so we should lynch him today. He's clearly mafia. If I make it through the night in TMMM the I'm on a three game streak. Lesson to be learned: If you die enough night 1, you eventually become to conspicuous a medic target for the mafia. I hope. My thoughts on Jayme: Brief Post History: Good posts in bold Talks about previous game Against roleclaiming/nameclaiming Softclaims blue, throws a vote to Amber[light] comment Talks about mayoral election in detail So far Jayme hasn't posted much, but his posts are filled with content. He's been fairly transparent with his decision making and his reasoning. It's still early to really tell if anyone is pro-town at this point, but I don't get any kind of scum vibe. It would be nice to see a bit more activity out of him, if only to see if the posting quality can remain high. | ||
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Post History: Gives pros and cons of mass role claim, but is ardently opposed Nominates amber[Light] for mayor(disses me) Explain his vote Comment Clarification Comment Spam Spam Gives a Day 2 plan add-on to previous post Question Responds to Opz(disses me again) AFJ has been quite active this game, with a mix of larger content rich posts, and smaller comments and sum-ups. In Incogs game he was quite active as well, with a fairly similar mix of posts as well. In that game I pegged him as mafia, particularly due to the summing up of whats happening, and commenting on whats happening(without leveling an opinion). He ended up being town in that game, and as far as I can tell, he's playing quite similarly(this doesn't mean much though, given that if he was mafia, the goal would be to play quite similarly). I get a similar read to Jayme from AFJ, not necessarily pro-town at this point, but no scum tells. except with added meaningless posts that sum up and comment on what's happening | ||
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I get a similar read from AFJ as from Jayme, not necessarily pro-town at this point, but no scum tells. Although with added meaningless posts that sum up and comment on what's happening. I'd like to see more of the content rich posts from AFJ, and less of the contentless posts. Again, we'll see if the quality can remain high. | ||
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Given that there is no posting at night, we need to start coming up with our plan for night actions well in advance. It's possible we'll even need to have two separate plans, one if the lynchee flips red, one if green, because we won't have a chance to talk after the lynch goes through. However, one plan will likely do for now. We likely still have another vig in the game(Moody?), probably 2 pseudo detectives, and we may still have a doctor(seem unlikely. who would it even be, Molly Weasley?). However, given the very prevalent use of Expelliarmus in the books, it seems likely that we have a number of roleblockers in the game. Ideally we can think up some way to avoid overlapping our roleblocking, or hitting townies. Hitting townies is unavoidable at this point though, and it's worth hitting townies to potentially roleblock a mafia. Hesmyrr had a strategy posted a few pages back to avoid overlap, and I think it a good one. For reference:+ Show Spoiler + I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list: Subversion Jugan stormtemplar Jayme acrossfivejulys johnnyspazz lakrismamma Radfield LuDwig- JeeJee Hesmyrr YellowInk ~OpZ~ zeks ~Roffles DCLXVI ElyAs Thegilaboy LaXerCannon Amber[LighT] Abenson The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else. Much harder to counter, I think. We also likely have a few occlumens, but they're completely useless from a town perspective. It's possible that mafia could have access to Occlemency, but that would go quite contrary to the book, and also basically give mafia another Godfather. So the Occlumens are likely pro-town and hence are rather useless. They do however tell us one thing; the mafia almost certainly have access to legilimancy, What would the mafia need legilimancy for though? Blue sniping perhaps, but also perhaps to find Harry Potter so they can avoid killing him. Surely we all agree that the second Horcrux(Nagini being the first) is Harry. This means, that just like the book, harry has to die before Voldemort can be killed. However, my guess is that Harry is kind of a Super-Veteran, in that he has two lives, so even if he is lynched, he will probably still remain in the game. This fits perfectly with the lore, although it is possible that a Harry lynch would actually kill him, and that perhaps he needs to be the recipient of an Avada Kadavra or Mafia KP. Either way though, at some point harry will have to step up and out himself to be "killed" in order that we can kill Voldemort. However, the longer Harry remains hidden, the more likely it is that the mafia will accidentally "kill" him for us. So there is certainly no reason to roleclaim Harry unless Nagini is already dead and we have leads on Voldemort. | ||
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what the hell does that even mean, not pro-town but no scum tells? last i checked, if you're not pro-town, you're scum. It means that at this point in the game it's very difficult to tell if someone is pro-town, as mafia should be playing pro-town. As the game goes on, you have more and more info to work with, and can get a more solid pro-town read on someone. But it IS possible to tell if someone is acting scummy at this point in the game. Basically, someone can be scummy after only a few posts, but it takes many posts to get the pro-town seal of approval. | ||
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On June 25 2010 09:30 zeks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2010 06:48 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: On June 25 2010 06:37 zeks wrote: On June 25 2010 03:27 Bill Murray wrote: "He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?)" I don't mind name claiming if you are not a mason Hi guys, I don't see why we're not starting to do this right now? because it gives death eaters an extremely easy way to hit blues, and is an even worse idea now that one of our doctors is dead. the benefit for the town is it might put death eaters into an awkward position having to choose names. Also note that masons will either be lying about their name or not claim at all and you have a messy situation to sort through for the town while death eaters are picking off blues! sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Why do you think the death eaters will know who the blues are? I would've never thought Charley Weasley would end up a green. Although I admit Madame Pomfrey made sense being a medic. If I'm not mistake a mason can confirm his status simply by PMing someone? And I think for the death eaters to choose names is way more dangerous than we think. Reasons that nameclaiming is a bad thing: It's either outs Harry Potter or causes him to lie It does expose our blues: Moody, Tonks, Scrimgeor, Harry and Hermione are almost certainly blue roles if they're in the game. Kingsley and Pomfrey were obvious blues. Certain players are likely not blue(molly and ginny weasley, luna, anyone random from harry's year). While it doesn't guarantee to out the blues, it certianly gives mafia a lot of information Given that BM has stated he doesn't want this game to go the way of Caller's ROTK(which was broken because of name claiming) and given that the list of names has been removed, it seems very likely that he will provide the mafia with a safe list. Again, he stated he doesn't want name claiming breaking his game, and this is a sure fire way he can avoid it. This isn't a for sure, but it seems likely. I just don't see it as worth the risk. We probably have a lot of firepower on the town side, and as long as people get active, we should be able to direct it reasonably well. | ||
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We're running out of Day 2 time, and we need to focus our efforts not just on the lynch, but also on night actions. In fact, we really only need to focus on the roleblocks and investigations. Vigs should probably be holding their shots, and medics/occlumens can do their thing without input. Presumably Amber and myself were rolechecked last night and both came back green. At least I assume so since no one is hollering in the thread about reds. However, it's possible that we either didn't get checked, or that the rolechecks are inconclusive. Moving down the list of suspicious people, my top candidates for a rolecheck are YellowInk and JeeJee. As far as roleblocking, anyone suspicious should be targeted using the same strat as last night. Lynching: Players who are active: Amber, Hesmyrr, Opz, AFJ, Jspazz, zeks, YellowInk, Radfield, Thegilaboy, Roffles Players who are mostly active: JeeJee, Jayme, Elyas Players who are somewhat inactive(or worse): Jugan, Stormtemplar, Ludwig, Abenson, Lakrismamma, It's going to be very very difficult to do this with this many players not posting. We've had only a few pages of posts in the last 36hours. But I'm a bit sick of lynching inactive players, because they almost always end up town. So we have to work with what we have. I think the best way right now is to look for players who follow this pattern: Active on Day 1, much less activity on Day 2. Mafia are being given a free ride right now, and have very little incentive to post. One person jumps out at me as following this trend, but probably only because I looked through his posting history. Jayme. Jayme if your out there, you need to pick up the Day 2 slack or I'm going to be voting for you. I think everyone should be looking for players who follow this trend. Moderately active on Day 1, sharp decline in posting on Day 2. When I'm on later tonight I'll search for more candidates, but hopefully everyone else can search as well. Does this seem logical to people? Yes, we're letting those players like ludwig, lakrismamma and Stormtemplar slide, but BM is talking about modkills anyways, so they'll likely be tossed for us. | ||
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Again, people seem to think I pushed hard for the pardoner role. I'd like to see those posts of mine, because they don't exist. Obviously anyone pushing for the pardoner role is insta-scummy, because it's a useless role in town hands. I stated that I didn't have enough time to play effectively as MoM, but I was fine with Pardoner because obviously pardoner takes no extra effort. Please don't link me and Yellowink together on that front. He pushed hard for an elected role, and missed it by a couple minutes. | ||
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He also has a few more newbie gems like: Yeah, I'm starting to think that my lack of experience makes me go in a wrong direction, but I don't really know everyone's playstyles, so I'm doing with what I have (Sure, I could go and analyze previous games but it looks like experienced players are good at changing personas and such...) This is to preface his analysis post. If people insist on voting off inactives, Abenson is fine as he seems least likely to get modkilled/replaced. He'll hang around, but still not post much content. For now though, I'm voting Elyas. | ||
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On June 26 2010 10:03 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + 9. If a majority is not reached, whoever gets the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, whatever received the most votes first will be lynched. next vote wins Phew, I could've sworn that was the case, but I saw your "with 18 left its 10 to lynch" post and it threw me. Then on the front page it says this: 7. A lynch suffers the requirement of a simple majority. If there is a majority beforehand, the day will go into twilight. | ||
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So Abenson is likely Draco Malfoy Claimers Elyas Mad Eye Moody Chezinu Snape JeeJee Investigative Role Jugan is pretty sure Amber[light] is a Death Eater JeeJee claims he has found Nagini. Pomfrey and Shacklebolt both die on night one, but mafia only have a KP of 1. So unless mafia used their Avada Kadavra on night 1, one of them died by other means. It makes fairly decent sense that Pomfrey would have protected Hesmyrr(PGO) and hence been killed. Night two Hesmyrr dies, and doesn't take anyone with him. Either Voldy killed Hesmyrr himself, or a medic protected a death eater, or a third more unlikely scenario of Voldy killing him, AND a medic protecting a dt who investigated. Option one and two are far more likely then three, but I'm still not sure the medic should claim, since option 1 is most likely in my eyes(it only involves one person, not two or three). So medic, if you protected someone, hang onto that info but watch that person carefully, and consider that it may be advantageous to reveal that info at some point. Moving forward we obviously lynch whomever Jeejee picked out, then lynch jeejee if that person flips green or blue. Although maybe not, since it's possible that the bus driver swapped the person whom Jeejee investigated. If this is the case Bus Driver, you need to let us know, because whomever you swapped with Jeejee's person is the real Nagini. I'm really not sure why Jeejee is playing coy with us though and not revealing the name of nagini. It's possible the Death Eaters could kill him right now if they have Dayvig powers, although presumably that would out a different death eater(though one less valuable than Nagini). | ||
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On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? | ||
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Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. | ||
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On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote: On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: Show nested quote + On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote: Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm. Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive. Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely. | ||
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On June 27 2010 23:25 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2010 23:20 Radfield wrote: On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote: On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote: On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote: Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm. Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive. Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely. HEY SMARTGUY... IF I WAS DE, I tried to lynch him yesterday!! HIGH FIVE!!!! Are you trying to say that this clears you of all suspicion for the rest of the game? Of course not. I'm not quite sure what you're saying with all your /sarcasm etc, but I think it's that you also have Legilimancy, and also checked lakris. Given your suspicion of him yesterday, this makes more sense then I originally thought. Surely you agree though that if a rolecheck came back on a death eater, and that death eater was exposed, then the other DE's would be quick to jump on the lynch bandwagon. Of course, I doubt they would have done so yesterday right after he made that post, which gives you a lot of cred. But still, it's important to lay out the three ways that you could have known who Jeejee was talking about. Mason, DE or Legilimans. I'm not insinuating that you're a DE at this point, and frankly I get a fairly pro-town vibe from you. But the facts are all still there, you apparently knew jeejee was talking about lakris, you posted after he did, and you never mentioned anything about being a dt until pressed. If you're saying I should have just ignored all these things, then you're not nearly as pro-town as I suspected. No one gets a free pass at this point. Anyways, I do understand and depending on how Lakris flips I assure you I WILL be looking very closely at anyone who defended him or moved the conversation elsewhere. | ||
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You should do it now. No sense waiting. Also, you can wait til Shinbi posts whatever he was gonna post, or you can cast your vote now and help attain the majority so we can get night actions straight away. Voted Lakris back when I posted that Opz. Two survivors? That seems kinda unlikely. My thought is that Snape would be the survivor and Draco would be the traitor. But Draco's role in Book seven wouldn't quite fit that. Book Six sure, not so much Book Seven. But who else would the traitor be? I suppose Luna Lovegood's dad as someone mentioned earlier, but at the very least he wasn't in the first list of townies BM put out, and he's a fairly minor character. | ||
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We have a situation here that needs some serious clarity. But jeejee just killed Amber[light] in the thread. However, Jeejee states he was roleblocked last night, so does the roleblock carry over to today? For Opz: Jspazz zeks Hesmyrr AcrossFiveJulys Yellowink Amber[light](by virtue of the vote switch) As far as I can tell, these 6 people came down on the side of Lakris. Both Hesmyrr and Zeks flipped town, Jspazz, AFJ and Yellowink all basically said the same thing(not worth the time or the people voting for Lakris are scummy), and Amber[light] made the vote switch at the end. Yellowink and Amber's name keep popping up, obviously both are not mafia, and Amber is probably about to die. It's does seem very likely though that one will flip red. This means we're down to only one remaining Death Eater, which is basically a town win given how much dt power we have. Given that BM has been posting, but hasn't mentioned the AK by jeejee, I think we can assume it didn't go through. If we have another dayvig around, please take out Amber. This allows us to take out YI with our lynch if Amber flips town. | ||
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Jeejee Opz Thegilaboy Checked green by thegilaboy(who may be naive however) Yellowink Jspazz Others Myself Roffles Jugan Jayme Amber Presumably Amber and YI will die today, sorting out our current mess. Even if both flipped green(moderately unlikely) it leaves us in a great spot. Mafia with a KP of 1, 3 confirmed townies who possibly all(?) have dt checks available to them, with 5 unknown players. Mafia roleblocker is dead. Either Jeejee or Opz will still have a daykill available to them. There is still a Tree Stump in the game. The survivors and traitors are all likely dead. Give me a minute to come up with a game plan here, because I think we should be able to wrap this up. | ||
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Night one: roleblocked Night two: Yellowink : Came back as this "you bounce on your behind down the street after falling from a window" No clue as to what it means Night Three: roleblocked | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2010 05:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: On June 30 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: I'm Scrimgeour. I can investigate, but I'm not sure if it's any good or not, as my only successful investigation was useless as far as I can tell. Night one: roleblocked Night two: Yellowink : Came back as this "you bounce on your behind down the street after falling from a window" No clue as to what it means Night Three: roleblocked On June 29 2010 10:51 Amber[LighT] wrote: For the record: Night 1: I roleblocked Radfield Night 2: I didn't pick a target Night 3: I roleblocked YellowInk If Radfield had a night action it would have not worked. Regardless, that was the plan I proposed from DAY 1 & I stuck with it. PROOF I AM NOT LYING. The roleblock did not block protego. BM should explain the mysterious spell triangle that NO ONE knew about, even though we had asked about the AK curse on Day 1... ...Post some more Radfield please! thx!! Just got back and I'm catching up. The thread kind of exploded in the last 24hrs. | ||
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All name claims are meaningless at this point anyways. Neither Scrimgeour not Flitwick were on the initial name list if I recall, which opens up a monsterous world of major characters. There are a ton that are not present in this game so far. Opz, I did reveal my investigative powers, only it was in the big plan that I laid out, and then didn't post after realizing my count was off. I should have made another post but I didn't even think about it. | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2010 05:35 Radfield wrote: Yellowink you're being way too obscure. You've been this way all game and it's time to give up the goods or you're getting lynched. It's simple as that. All name claims are meaningless at this point anyways. Neither Scrimgeour not Flitwick were on the initial name list if I recall, which opens up a monsterous world of major characters. There are a ton that are not present in this game so far. Opz, I did reveal my investigative powers, only it was in the big plan that I laid out, and then didn't post after realizing my count was off. I should have made another post but I didn't even think about it. No sir. Name claiming is checkable in this game do you see? Lol. We have PLENTY of DT's. We got Amber, who has to get clues and post them and they actually gotta be right about who he is posting with. We got YInk who has to find out what Shinbi has encrypted True enough, we've got more than enough dt power to check all unconfirmed townies in one/two nights. Confirmed townies: Jeejee, Opz, Jspazz, thegilaboy, Amber(?) Unconfirmed: Roffles, Radfield, Jugan, Jayme, Yellowink Opz, are you actually a confirmed townie? Aside from the nagini lynching, which was a little strange, where else have you been confirmed? I just want to make sure that we don't have Death Eaters in a list of confirmed townies. We still don't have your name claim, which can wait until after Jugan and Roffles of course. Obviously you seem the most pro-town of anyone, and I highly highly doubt you are DE, but i'm sure you agree nothing should be taken for granted at the end of the game. Jeejee: Outed Nagini Thegilaboy: checked by Jeejee? Opz: Second vote on Nagini, checked by someone? Jspazz: checked by thegilaboy Amber: roleclaimed HP Yellowink: roleclaimed Neville Radfield: Roleclaimed Scrimgeour Jayme: Hermione Jugan Roffles | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:55 johnnyspazz wrote: how can neville longbottom cast protego isnt he a retard Not in book seven he's not | ||
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On June 30 2010 05:53 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2010 05:52 Jayme wrote: On June 30 2010 05:50 Amber[LighT] wrote: On June 30 2010 05:49 johnnyspazz wrote: can someone tell me what i should do with my vote cause i gotta bounce Abstain. Whoever of the two we think could be VM I can attempt a daykill on. If the kill is successful, then we lynch the other, If the kill is unsuccessful, then the other might be VM. Or the person you attempted to kill is VM...he still has a hidden horcrux around. Not exactly... Presumably this means you took a hit and the last horcrux is down? | ||
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On June 30 2010 06:01 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2010 05:57 Radfield wrote: On June 30 2010 05:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: On June 30 2010 05:35 Radfield wrote: Yellowink you're being way too obscure. You've been this way all game and it's time to give up the goods or you're getting lynched. It's simple as that. All name claims are meaningless at this point anyways. Neither Scrimgeour not Flitwick were on the initial name list if I recall, which opens up a monsterous world of major characters. There are a ton that are not present in this game so far. Opz, I did reveal my investigative powers, only it was in the big plan that I laid out, and then didn't post after realizing my count was off. I should have made another post but I didn't even think about it. No sir. Name claiming is checkable in this game do you see? Lol. We have PLENTY of DT's. We got Amber, who has to get clues and post them and they actually gotta be right about who he is posting with. We got YInk who has to find out what Shinbi has encrypted True enough, we've got more than enough dt power to check all unconfirmed townies in one/two nights. Confirmed townies: Jeejee, Opz, Jspazz, thegilaboy, Amber(?) Unconfirmed: Roffles, Radfield, Jugan, Jayme, Yellowink Opz, are you actually a confirmed townie? Aside from the nagini lynching, which was a little strange, where else have you been confirmed? I just want to make sure that we don't have Death Eaters in a list of confirmed townies. We still don't have your name claim, which can wait until after Jugan and Roffles of course. Obviously you seem the most pro-town of anyone, and I highly highly doubt you are DE, but i'm sure you agree nothing should be taken for granted at the end of the game. Jeejee: Outed Nagini Thegilaboy: checked by Jeejee? Opz: Second vote on Nagini, checked by someone? Jspazz: checked by thegilaboy Amber: roleclaimed HP Yellowink: roleclaimed Neville Radfield: Roleclaimed Scrimgeour Jayme: Hermione Jugan Roffles technically i'm not confirmed, neither is opz it could've been a super elaborate ploy to sacrifice a horcrux/mafia/cop night2 to gain your trust it wasn't, but just an fyi maybe put me in a 'probable' list? You were first to point out Nagini though, which puts you pretty far down the suspicion list. | ||
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July 02 2010 10:23 GMT
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On July 02 2010 10:32 YellowInk wrote: Show nested quote + You didn't believe me when I confirmed his correct investigation of me? Or did you think he was scum who had investigated me and decided to provide the town with information that helped solidify us when we had an active argument?On July 02 2010 09:56 Thegilaboy wrote: Ok then, the sun is up. DTs what were your results? I went ahead and went along with JeeJee's plan, and did my alignment check on Radfield. The result came up that he is town. How about the other DTs? Oh, and welcome to the game Korynne! I really wish you had investigated Roffles. Depending on what the others turn up, even with no info he may still be the best lynch target. Fear not YI, I investigated Roffles(Korynne) last night. This is what I got back: "You rage about your terrible childhood, but are calmed by fond memories of goats." So where do we focus our attention today, we have eight players, most of whom have been checked, and most of whom have claimed. Someone please correct me if I'm missing info here, without the 'All' option on the thread, it's very time consuming to search for stuff, so I'm just going off my spreadsheet. Amber[light] - Not checked, Harry Potter TheGilaboy - Checked by JeeJee?, Flitwick(probably the most out of place nameclaim) Johnnyspazz - Checked by Thegilaboy, No name claim Radfield - Checked by Thegilaboy, Scrimgeour Yellowink - Checked by Radfield (and Jeejee?), Neville Longbottom JeeJee - Not checked, but found Nagini, No name Claim Korynne(Roffles)- Checked by Radfield, Aberforth(another out of place nameclaim, but it is Book 7) also softclaimed TreeStump? Opz - Not Checked, No name claim, Voted for Nagini on both Day 2 and Day 3 I feel like Johnnyspazz's nameclaim came up at some point in the thread, but I can't remember it. So we have three players who have not been checked, Amber, Jeejee and Opz. Amber claimed HP, and given that no one else has counter claimed, we can likely take this claim at face value. BM may have provided the DE's with a safe list, but if Harry was on that list it would be a bit outrageous. Jeejee claimed to check Nagini on Night 3, and pushed for lynching him Day 3. He's very unlikely to be a DE, but at this stage of the game we can't rely on prior actions alone, we need to rely on our DT checks. So I think one of me or Thegilaboy should check him out tonight. Opz has not been checked, nor has he name claimed. Of everyone left in the game, he stands out in this regard. He's been very pro-town this game, and pushed to lynch Nagini on both Day 2 and Day 3. Again though, at this point actions are less important, and we need to start winnowing out those who have not been checked, so that we can do double checks on people tomorrow night. Currently my vote would be on Opz, but I'm very open to discussion and we need to discuss this vote a lot. Mafia have a KP of 1, which means that if Amber and his votes die, we get two lynches to take out a DE, although Amber still has some KP, and his Voldemort search thing, and possibly an extra life as well. All of which may be able to buy us some time. We also have YI and Amber with protective spells which will hopefully block some mafia KP. Please comment, we need everyone's opinion today and all the information on the table. We can't afford to let the discussion die out(despite it being a big weekend in the US and Canada) | ||
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July 02 2010 19:00 GMT
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.two death eaters would have to come out into the open and BOTH of them OPENLY Day Vig someone...Right? That's what you think BM made the game. He made it where two death eaters need to come out in the open just for one kill during the day? Not to mention one of them, according to you, HAS TO BE THE GF!!!" This doesn't make sense to me Opz. You're claiming that shooting Amber somehow clears you of suspicion, because DEs would never do such a thing. I'd say that DEs with AK powers would be looking for a chance to take out townies when those townies are most suspicious looking, but haven't been given time to defend themselves. Which is kinda what happened. Not to mention that Amber is the juiciest target for the mafia to target. And how would you AKing someone mean BM made you do it? I don't understand what you're saying there. Also, both you and Jeejee are forgetting the possibility that Thegilaboy is a godfather. If he was the godfather, then he would likely have a fake persona, since he'd need to come back as townie on all role/alignment checks. This fits well with my thought that BM provided a safe list to the DE's(he totally flip-flopped on his whole legal/illegal to name claim thing) | ||
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July 02 2010 19:02 GMT
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July 02 2010 19:17 GMT
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So you guys are claiming the twins obviously, and yet somehow the twins have AK powers? Seems moderately unlikely. Another option is that both Jeejee and Opz are DE's. -Neither of them have been checked -They both claim they aren't allowed to nameclaim, but now have claimed Weasleys, and most importantly they've claimed after everyone else. -They obviously checked Thegilaboy, but Lakris could've checked him for them and passed that info along before he died. -They got Lakris lynched, which would be a bold move if they're DE's, but not an unheard of one. -They both shot Amber[light] Most importantly, killing one of you, and having him flip blue means the other is legit. That basically means that either Thegilaboy/Jspazz are mafia, or Me/Korynne(roffles) are mafia. Obviously at that point I would know that Thegilaboy/jspazz are mafia, but what I know is irrelevant. However, everything is easily be cleared up with Jeejee's investigation. He checks Jspazz, who either turns up red(lynch him), or green(lynch me). I think the most likely scenario right now is that both Jeejee and Opz are DE's. I honestly can't see how we not lynch one of them at this point. Obviously if we do lynch it's gonna be Opz, since Jeejee claimed detective, and Opz is possibly claiming TreeStump(?), which means he won't get lynched anyways. If you are the Treestump Opz, you should claim, as I'm pretty sure we win then. I'm in no hurray to lynch at this point though, we've got a lot of time to talk this out, so consider this an IN THREAD vote for Opz. | ||
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July 02 2010 19:30 GMT
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On July 03 2010 04:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 04:02 Radfield wrote: But here's the real problem Opz. You're trying to kill, or just killed(with your spoilered AK), the person who Jeejee supposedly investigated last night. If you and Jeejee are tied at the hip like you say, then presumably he should have let you know his results, which would be the same as I got on Day 2, meaning YI is Neville Longbottom. Of all the people in this game, he would basically be our most confirmed townie, given that he's been role checked three times! And you just killed him? Either that or you're bullshitting up the thread with fake Avada Kadavras, which is super disruptive. Because if he's most confirmed he's an idiot. -_-...Jesus christ, he has been telling me I'm mafia forever...Is this because I suspected him in the beginning. Anyway. We should stop arguing. Let's lynch JohnnySpazz. He claims to have no abilities. Then lets lynch Korynne (Roffles). Roffles claimed to have no abilities, after claiming he had a one time use ability. I'm quite done. Anyone claiming to have NO Ability this game can go kick rocks. If we're going to lynch Jspazz, who is the other Deatheater? Thegilaboy as Godfather? If that's the case we can sort that out overnight anyways. After we sort out you and Jeejee. Amber, we also have the option to use your AK to help figure things out right now, but ideally we would hold that off for a better time. | ||
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July 02 2010 19:32 GMT
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On July 03 2010 04:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 04:02 Radfield wrote: But here's the real problem Opz. You're trying to kill, or just killed(with your spoilered AK), the person who Jeejee supposedly investigated last night. If you and Jeejee are tied at the hip like you say, then presumably he should have let you know his results, which would be the same as I got on Day 2, meaning YI is Neville Longbottom. Of all the people in this game, he would basically be our most confirmed townie, given that he's been role checked three times! And you just killed him? Either that or you're bullshitting up the thread with fake Avada Kadavras, which is super disruptive. Because if he's most confirmed he's an idiot. -_-...Jesus christ, he has been telling me I'm mafia forever...Is this because I suspected him in the beginning. Anyway. We should stop arguing. Let's lynch JohnnySpazz. He claims to have no abilities. Then lets lynch Korynne (Roffles). Roffles claimed to have no abilities, after claiming he had a one time use ability. I'm quite done. Anyone claiming to have NO Ability this game can go kick rocks. Also, I believe Roffles claimed he has a one time use ability, that once he uses it it's gone. At the time I assumed that meant Tree Stump. | ||
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July 02 2010 19:47 GMT
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On July 03 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 04:32 Radfield wrote: On July 03 2010 04:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: On July 03 2010 04:02 Radfield wrote: But here's the real problem Opz. You're trying to kill, or just killed(with your spoilered AK), the person who Jeejee supposedly investigated last night. If you and Jeejee are tied at the hip like you say, then presumably he should have let you know his results, which would be the same as I got on Day 2, meaning YI is Neville Longbottom. Of all the people in this game, he would basically be our most confirmed townie, given that he's been role checked three times! And you just killed him? Either that or you're bullshitting up the thread with fake Avada Kadavras, which is super disruptive. Because if he's most confirmed he's an idiot. -_-...Jesus christ, he has been telling me I'm mafia forever...Is this because I suspected him in the beginning. Anyway. We should stop arguing. Let's lynch JohnnySpazz. He claims to have no abilities. Then lets lynch Korynne (Roffles). Roffles claimed to have no abilities, after claiming he had a one time use ability. I'm quite done. Anyone claiming to have NO Ability this game can go kick rocks. Also, I believe Roffles claimed he has a one time use ability, that once he uses it it's gone. At the time I assumed that meant Tree Stump. I assumed Busdriver. I think Bus Driver can use his ability every night: Busdriver: The Bus Driver is a role who may choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night choice performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night. | ||
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July 03 2010 19:16 GMT
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On July 04 2010 03:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2010 03:27 Thegilaboy wrote: Spazz seems like a fine target. If he flips green/blue that will confirm that I am indeed a naive DT, meaning my other checks are worthless as well I know Korynne is trying to catch up with the game, but would be nice if we heard from her soon since there hasn't been much from Roffles before he left. Last we got from him was the big argument with Jugan being a bad townie. Roffles is highly suspect...But if Roffles is mafia, Radfield is mafia... so many scenarios... I still wish I knew how GF worked... Unless of course the GF gets a townie result even on clue checks. So the key here is whether someone flips Voldemort or not. Us lynching a player and him flipping VM would not impicate anyone else. But GF getting a townie result does with being a godfather, given that the whole point of a godfather is that you are immune to being checked. This would mean that basically every check all game is fallible though. @Yellowink: That plan sounds fine. I will double up with thegilaboy since he doesn't get clue checks, and investigate either Opz or Jeejee, doesn't really matter which one. | ||
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July 04 2010 00:51 GMT
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July 04 2010 01:14 GMT
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On July 04 2010 10:01 Thegilaboy wrote: Oh wow, I thought we had another day. Threw my vote down for Johnnyspazz for now to test my sanity as a DT, although I'm still not happy with Roffles having disappeared either. From what BM said, roffles went whitewater rafting, so Korynne replaced. Apparently Korynne is now withdrawing from all her games. Hopefully she's all right. Now a new replacement for roffles/korynne is coming in... | ||
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July 06 2010 00:02 GMT
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July 06 2010 10:38 GMT
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Anyways, good game all. We had lots of interesting plans as mafia, but never got a chance to use any after AFJ died. | ||
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July 06 2010 17:08 GMT
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Jspazz YInk Amber Opz Jeejee Gilaboy Roffles Radfield we kill Amber and Yink. Use a pardon, Use a nightkill(no medics left). 3v2. Use another Pardon, use another nightkill. 2v2 There was no need to do it though since Jspazz was getting lynched. I think roffles leaving actually removed some suspicion from him. If he had stuck around, I bet he would have got lynched over Jspazz. Not saying anything about his play, he was great, just that by having Korynne replace him, she kind of got a pass. | ||
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July 07 2010 00:02 GMT
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On July 07 2010 08:22 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + fine, let's go with this rule (that came out of nowhere tbh, i haven't seen this in the OP but w.e) then we have a mafia-town tie, still not a mafia win no. no. no. the mafia have 1 kp per night voldemort gets an AK every other night you cant block you all can only protect one of you every night you all have NO lynch power, and NO kill power you all were fucked Don't forget that I also had Jeejee under the imperius curse So he only could have casted what I wanted him to. I Imperiused him after Jugan got lynched, since I wanted to make sure he investigated YI when he said he was going to. Because if he decided to investigate me or roffles, we would have been in serious trouble. Gilaboy checks me, great even if he's not naive, because I'm a godfather, so I'll flip green. Jeejee checks YI, great because it supports my previous claim of checking YI I Imperius Jeejee to ensure his check, and then claim to have investigated Roffles. That night worked out amazing. Particularly Thegilaboy switching from roffles to me at the last minute. The only people I could kill(since I figured YI and Amber would be protecting themselves) were Jspazz and Jayme. Jayme was basically confirmed by Jugan's death, so it had to be him. Thanks a bunch for modding this Bill. I had a ton of fun as Voldemort. I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my spells though. After you told me I could pretty much cast anything I wanted, I was going to start brainstorming random spells to see if you would let me use them. Particularly 'finite incantatum' to wipe away any protective spells on someone, and 'crucio' just cause it would be fun. | ||
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July 07 2010 01:04 GMT
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On July 07 2010 09:08 Roffles wrote: Just outta curiosity, what would Crucio have done? I was brainstorming ideas for Radfield, but I never really fully understood how the Crucio curse would have worked. I doubt BM would have let us use it unless we came up with a reasonable action for it. My thought is it would be like a super roleblock or something, that would last for several nights. But that would be awfully powerful. Or maybe you could cause someone to go insane, and they start getting random role checks... that would be super fun | ||
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July 07 2010 02:27 GMT
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On July 07 2010 10:13 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2010 10:09 DarthThienAn wrote: On July 07 2010 10:05 JeeJee wrote: On July 07 2010 08:22 Bill Murray wrote: fine, let's go with this rule (that came out of nowhere tbh, i haven't seen this in the OP but w.e) then we have a mafia-town tie, still not a mafia win no. no. no. the mafia have 1 kp per night voldemort gets an AK every other night you cant block you all can only protect one of you every night you all have NO lynch power, and NO kill power you all were fucked i dont know how voldy's AK works because obviously none of this was in the rules so you can make up whatever the hell you want, but we have lynch power, consequently we have kill power. unless you want to go with your "day is infinitely paused at tie" rule in which case it's going to be a tie. i'm not sure why you're still arguing though, it's pretty clear it was a very likely but not 100% mafia win if mafia have 1 kp in addition to voldy's AK every other night, then mafia DID win 100%. Radfield can pardon twice, including himself, so that means that either this night or the night after, mafia would be able to use their 1 KP in addition to Voldy's AK. You two can only protect one person, so one of you dies, which makes it 2v1. You guys had no way to kill the mafia in the next two days due to pardons, which gives us time to wait for Voldy's AK. remember we have disarm, and since i'm pretty sure mafia had voldy doing the killing, the disarm would disarm both the ak and the nightkill /shrug Disarming doesn't stop the mafia KP. Only a medic protect can stop the mafia kp. I sent in our Mafia KP every night and it went through every time, even when I was roleblocked. Also, I could just use my AK as a daykill in the thread if I wanted to make sure it went through. | ||
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July 08 2010 18:33 GMT
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On July 08 2010 14:31 flamewheel wrote: Wait what the fuck? looooool Roffles and Radfield held on. Yeah I thought we were done for sure once the name claiming started. Scrimgeour and Aberforth are such side characters, but we were lucky that someone was actually Flitwick. If Jugan hadn't skipped out on the thread due to irl stuff, I think roffles or myself would have gotten lynched. It was basically us vs 2 pairs of masons, 3 people who had been checked, and Harry Potter. Lucky lucky. | ||
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