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1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek On a more serious note, teams 2, 3, 5 and 8 (until BB returns) have a high chance of inactivity or feigning inactivity. Out of these teams if we're going to pick the standard shoot someone on day 1 if they're quiet or are normally quiet route, we should probably shoot 2 or 8. 2. because retard super armor is really hard to break. 8. because spazz obviously mafia for trying to shoot me. That said, inactivity should be less of an issue with teams having 2 players per unit, so we might want to use another barometer to determine who we're going to shoot. We could go after lowest aggregate post quality or something similar. In terms of team balancing, most of the teams are roughly equivalent in terms of skill, with at least 1 decent to good player per team. Because of that I don't think we can make very many mafia team composition judgments just yet. The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise. 3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge 5. Durak 7. Zyrre 8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, Divinek The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits. | ||
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On June 23 2010 06:18 Chezinu wrote: I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air. Told you i have work until 7 pm est every day, then i have transit time home. If i didn't do it this thread, i'm pretty sure i did it last. On page 7 reading through this stupidity. | ||
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On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote: Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect" To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all. That's fucking cute given he's on your team. | ||
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On June 23 2010 09:22 Chezinu wrote: I knew you had work, I seriously was just waiting. So chezzers, why did you shit up our thread. Normally you don't shit up threads on day 1. | ||
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1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns. In terms of how accurate those initial three suggestions are, I can't really say. Not enough information. I will, however, say this: If someone is trying to protect their teammate, they are unlikely to directly argue against the incriminatory post because that would link them far too heavily. They would likely accuse a third party to try and draw heat off their brosef. Its quite possibly that our pattern of accusations has already yielded such a snap, but frankly I haven't looked at where accusations are coming from because chez's posts gay shit up pretty fast. | ||
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On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote: Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote: Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. | ||
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Who the fuck are YOU by contrast? Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team. Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start. So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS. So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you. As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote: Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote: darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. Personally I'm hating on you because you do very little besides cry that people are hating on you. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote: Brownbear:+ Show Spoiler + BROWNBEAR,WHEN YOU SAY CONVINCED THEM YOU WERE TOWN ,AND CLAIMED SO THAT THE MAFIA WOULD HIT YOU, BUT THE MEDIC COULD PROTECT YOU, THUS WASTING A MAFIA KP, ARE YOU TRYING TO JOIN OUR TOWN CIRCLE BY CHECKING OUR ALIGNMENT, OR CLAIMING TOWNIE, OR ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US? Yo, I translated because translating is cool. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote: well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. | ||
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That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote: So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote: How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name. | ||
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Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make.Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote: We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:17 DarthThienAn wrote: rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team. =D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo. ie. [Your argument] [My response] [Your explanation of how I sidestepped] And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even. Don't really need anymore information out of your team. Pretty sure I have a good read on you guys. More worried about the quiet kids for now. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote: I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either. Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team. In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:33 Ace wrote: no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do. Like in the day vig games wherein town always loses? Glad you've been winning those on townside yourself. Oh wait, you don't. GGPO | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:35 flamewheel wrote: Wait, I'm lost. Would you mind explaining this to me? Pregame I send you a key. Ingame I post messages that'll only be decoded by that key. The information I put into the thread can only be understood by a single person. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:36 Ace wrote: Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^ Nah, I'd prefer you stop being such a whiny little girl and go scum hunt like a good townie. Or you could catfight with me. That would be swell too. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:40 Ace wrote: I'm scumhunting. I already said I don't believe BM/Chez to be townies. If that's not a blatant accusation along with my matching vote in the thread I don't know what game you're reading. That isn't scum hunting. That's accusing a team. :3 | ||
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The portion directed at you was the paragraph wherein I ask you questions. Sorry if there's a misunderstanding. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:46 Ace wrote: why do I even bother Mostly you don't. | ||
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How the fuck does voting work, I have no idea what's going on in that other thread and I searched the OP. | ||
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"decided to speak up and prove me right" is a non-nonsensical conclusion. No it isn't. The first post was terrible. This second post was terrible. 100% OMGUS and poorly written OMGUS at that. summarize everyone’s opinions (incorrectly, at that) when you haven’t been around to ask them. Unless you are a part of a discussion and get everyone’s input, you can’t conclude what the majority’s opinions are. I mean, we hit gems like this. I can't tell you what happened because I wasn't there at the time? Buddy, its a written game. I read through the entirety of pages 4-9 in one shot, so I had a fresh picture of who was being pushed against and who wasn't. Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job! You make a bunch of claims as to the “town suspects” and then say whoever responds you know who their allies are? Uh, no, I said that I know YOUR team's allies if you die and flip red, which was the entire kernel of that post that we've been talking about for the past two fucking pages. I'm absolutely dumbfounded. Never before have I seen a post so contrived as a way of 'winning' an argument that doesn't exist. Instead of continuing wasting time with you, I propose the following game for you to play: Why don't you tell me what roles you think teams 3, 8 and 9 have. | ||
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On June 23 2010 13:48 Caller wrote: please lynch L he's such a fagtron Can you do something this game besides being my useless Siamese twin? Thx Caller :3 <3. | ||
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On June 23 2010 14:18 YellowInk wrote: I'mma let you finish, but I just have to say that you used this same argument against me and that was the worst argument of all time. Yup. I was writing a big post and it fell behind as other people posted quickly rather than the nefarious reasons you insinuated. Now, what do we call it when people hold double standards? If you were looking at this sort of thing from outside where you're sitting, what would you have to say about yourself? No, when I mentioned you it had nothing to do with the time lag of your post. It had to do with you replying after durak started a shitstorm. You had expressly read what I had written because you would not have otherwise made a post. When writing a large post, if you take an hour to type things up, the previous hour worth of posts might not be included in what you're writing, hence the time lag. Does my post say anything about yours being time lagged or having taken too much time to write? No. It refered to the fact that your post on the situation was a reaction to the position your ally put you in. How you could confuse the two evades me. | ||
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On June 24 2010 20:35 Korynne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2010 12:07 DCLXVI wrote: Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy. I completely disagree. But I'll let other members like Ace or L chime in on the scumdar factor of that switch. How does vote switching help town in the long run? If you guys are green, town freaks out and goes OMG THE VOTE SWITCHER IS MAFIA and we bicker about that for a day and real mafia can just hide out while we lynch at least one of the switcher and BM/Chez. Right, town thinks we're the same alignment, because Radfield was the one who pushed for your lynch even though Ace is like omg BM/Chez so mafia! We're sooo associated, because if I hadn't switched, oh, BM/Chez would've died anyway. And to top it off, let's just point out to the world just how connected we are by yelling at each other. All I can see here from you is that you found one little thing to poke at and you're going to push it and make it a big deal. No one else has expressed that they think we are associated, nor do I think if you turned up red/green it should reflect on us. If it was any other group I would've done the same. See before now I was voting for you guys mainly because Radfield figures you're scum, and without a strong read on anyone else I was okay with going with his idea (we agreed to vote together). Now I'm thinking you're very scummy. You're trying to get us lynched and clear yourselves. If you are town, how do you know we're not going to turn up red? If you think we look so scummy and you think we're going to turn up red then it reflects poorly on you since you decided to tie us into a bundle. So the only way this idea makes any sense is for you to be mafia. Oh also, what really kicks you in the bum is that you seem to say 1. we're connected 2. it makes us look scummy together. Never once have you said you, team 1, korynne and radfield, looks scummy period. Because you don't think we're scummy, you think that lynching us will clear your scummy name. I've been accusing you of being scum, you've just been trying to lynch us while tying us together. Sorry DCLXVI, but I don't really see how you can talk yourself out of this one. Sorry, but this entire post is bullshit given that you know that Chez had the opportunity to save himself. This wasn't supposed to stop a 'random vote switcher' from creating chaos. This was to stop Chez from doing the obvious thing and keeping himself alive. I'm pretty fucking sure Chez voting group 9 wouldn't have raised crazy alarm bells. It wouldn't have created chaos. Chez has a perfect fucking town answer to voting group 9 on day 1 even if they'd have flipped green: He didn't want to fucking die. Your vote switch, however, did raise alarm bells. Despite having been on the other vote train the entire time, neither you or your partner really bothered to make a decent push against T9 in the thread. Saying that T9 flipping mafia wouldn't implicate you is off the wall insane. P.S. Caller you're hilarious :3 | ||
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On June 25 2010 02:04 bumatlarge wrote: L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out. What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence. No. The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9. A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend. The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target. What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo. What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green? | ||
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Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No. Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant. Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs. | ||
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On June 25 2010 04:26 Ace wrote: Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play. Sorry Ace, I actually look at a player's prior play when evaluating them. Chez and BM do that shit all the time as town. I can understand an argument for using the lynch for metagaming purposes, but you're essentially saying "because I've never liked their standard play, they're mafia" which is false. The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading. Oh, It was never going to tip? Then Korynne didn't have to do anything :3. QED If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched. oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.[ I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because? Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum. Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works. Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out? Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were. Do better? Conspiracy theories? We had someone throw a random vote at the end of a huge swing period of voting. How is that not something worth looking at? Being targetted for lynch gives those two teams an emotional reaction for why they would vote the way they did. Team 8, Korynne and you do not have emotional outs. Do I think teams 7,9 are magically innocent? No. Did I say they were? No. But thanks for implying I did! Oh, and good job on thinking they were scum despite having admitted you had a pre-game grudge against them. Fantastic scumdar there. You're also off when you point the finger at me. If your partner didn't heavily play like he's blue, I'd probably have thought you were mafia. I guess you're just rusty because you haven't played a game in a billion years. Sucks to be bad bro. Step it up. | ||
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Mafia, feel free to kill me so that it becomes 100% obvious that Ace is terrible. | ||
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I'll post a bit more when I get back from work tomorrow or maybe in the morning, but a few statements on the last two pages should be setting off people's scumdars like crazy. Until then, mes amis. | ||
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On June 26 2010 04:03 YellowInk wrote: Now for what I'm actually thinking about. I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a read team due to their passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3. Going by voting records, Team 9 looks the worst to me. While some people have carried on the torch of 'Team 9 still looks kinda scummy', consider that Team 1 and Team 2 were both voting against Team 9. Now they're dead. Granted, this is soft evidence, mafia could have done this just to make us look harder at lynching 9. With L being a single player team, he's almost just as effective if he's mafia and less effective if he's town. It's also going to be harder to pull scum tells out of this 'team' since there is only one player talking. For my part, I want to hear L talking more than the average player to make up for this. I know he's at work right now, but I wasn't impressed with his (lack of) posting at the end of day 1. Per the schedule he had posted and his posting patterns halfway through day 1, I had expected activity from him at the end of day 1 in the couple hours before the close of the day. Especially so since there was such a balance between 3 teams that anyone could easily sway the results of the vote! I'd like to note here that in my conversation with Radfield about talking at night, this would be an example of one of the more subtle thigns I chose not to talk about at night. If I had brought up L's partial inactivity at the critical time, the mafia might have chosen to leave L alive specifically because they knew I wanted him hounded for an answer and there are other people who already suspect him for various reasons. I'm not saying any of this makes L red, it's just another piece of evidence to look at. I want to hear L's explanations. All of this is soft evidence so I'm not pointing fingers about any of it yet. Lets hear what these teams have to say. I have work. Caller decided he didn't really want to play and made 2 throw away posts then got himself modkilled after trying to vote against our own team. I had 0 control over that. Between us, Caller and I didn't PM during the game either, so what you see in the thread is 100% the content of our short, bittersweet romance. I just plain wasn't around at the end of day 1 either. I know you kinda wanted me to swoop in and 'save the day' but this is the second consecutive game in which I'm tied down by extensive work obligations. I work 11am - 7 pm est tuesdays through wednesdays and sometimes I end up going drinking with friends or partying. Check the game wherein Flamewheel died due to indian food, for instance; this is not new. So I don't really know what there's to explain; I have a life outside of mafia. I'd assume that's also the case for quite a few other people. I'm also rather upfront and have explained why, and when I'm gone for a day I tell the thread beforehand. What else, exactly, do you want me to do? Call in sick for work so that I can be influential prior to vote time ends? I'm really not prepared to do that. If you want to lay blame for yesterday's mislynch, you might want to start with the people who were pushing for it the hardest. ______________- On a more important note, you picked up that both teams 1 and 2 pushed against T9, voted against T9, and are now both dead. Radfield + the BM/Chez team both tried to bus 9. That's partially why I found it so incredibly strange that Korynne would flip and try to 'hold' the result at BM/Chez if her partner was instrumental in starting the 9 train. The interesting part is that the 9 train was actually made in majority by people jumping off the 7 train. That means that it isn't even just a question of T1+2 bussed against 9. You also need to examine their rhetoric against 7. The fact that 7 does not post unless they're being put on the stove is very, very scummy. | ||
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On June 26 2010 09:02 Ace wrote: oh and yes my vote is still going to L. If you aren't mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time after the game making fun of you for being horrendous. If you're mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time talking about how obvious you are. | ||
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On June 26 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: Voting ends in 8 minutes. I have just been asked if claiming is ok in a near lynch scenario. i would also, in that scenario, allow for a nameclaim a lot of claiming is relative to being near L-3 L-2 or L-1 L-1 being a situation where 1 vote is needed to "hammer" or lynch 10/10. | ||
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On June 26 2010 10:04 Ace wrote: So then how about you stop talking about "if" and do something. Put your vote where your mouth is. I hope you enjoy the irony of writing this to taunt me while I'm preparing a large post especially for you, Acey kins. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [This is informations given by Zato] + On January 11 2010 06:05 Zato-1 wrote: Okay, so. Tonight, I'm hitting Ace. Why? Here's a list of Ace's posts from the last mafia game I played, in which he was mafia: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [1] + On August 20 2009 10:54 Ace wrote: o shit wtf 5 hours passed fast + Show Spoiler [2] + On August 20 2009 10:58 Ace wrote: can someone update me on everything that happened? I skimmed and saw people suggesting to lynch me? + Show Spoiler [3] + On August 20 2009 11:03 Ace wrote: ok so Sato snitched on himself lulz Medics aren't informed of prots? :/ That sucks. Vigi shouldn't hit anyone until they are solid the person is red. + Show Spoiler [4] + On August 20 2009 11:10 Ace wrote: :/ Well enough about me, what are we doing right now? + Show Spoiler [5] + On August 20 2009 11:23 Ace wrote: That pretty much ups Zeto's innocence. If he was really anti-town I doubt he'd want to cast a spotlight on his own Mafia ally. Especially in a game this small. Other than this there aren't even any patterns yet are there? Day 1 votes don't seem too telling. + Show Spoiler [6] + On August 20 2009 11:28 Ace wrote: Why not? Just because you accused someone doesn't hold weight. It would be one thing if you accused Chezinu and the town rallied behind you but you didn't have time to lynch. Then it would have been dumb to kill him. However that didn't happen. You accused him, but no one really went with it. By killing Chezinu you lose nothing since you didn't have any support in the first place. + Show Spoiler [7] + On August 20 2009 11:33 Ace wrote: I understand what you're saying but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Chezinu seemed normal :/ Either way I guess the good news is no one super valuable has been killed yet (lol sorry Chez) + Show Spoiler [8] + On August 20 2009 11:36 Ace wrote: hold on a sec. Three of you voted for Inf out of no where with barely any reasoning except that he's throwing names out. That happens every mafia game. And Foolishness voted for Inf out of no where first with no reasoning. + Show Spoiler [9] + On August 20 2009 11:39 Ace wrote: well between you, Qatol and Pyrr something isn't right 1.) You voted for Inf 2.) Qatol votes for Inf and THEN posts a reason for it 3.) Pyrr votes for inf and also posts a reason Seems odd doesn't it? Especially since you're vote came in first before any reasonings. + Show Spoiler [10] + On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote: no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. + Show Spoiler [11] + On August 20 2009 11:53 Ace wrote: actually no, I've been watching. I always try to play in a way that avoids innocent deaths. You guys bandwagoned Inf to death. Switching around votes randomly just makes it easier for Mafia to bandwagon. Right now you, Qatol, Pyrr, and Zato are all suspects. Wouldn't you agree? + Show Spoiler [12] + On August 20 2009 11:56 Ace wrote: also Midori too, I didn't even realize he voted. + Show Spoiler [13] + On August 20 2009 12:02 Ace wrote: The Sato thing is over and done with but it does look good for you. I'm just saying you can't go around starting bandwagons, and when they turn out wrong act like it's just an oops moment. One of you guys has to pay. @Midori: Ok be suspicious of me but I didnt get a medic killed did I. + Show Spoiler [14] + On August 20 2009 12:06 Ace wrote: Which would actually be a good Mafia defense don't you think? "I can't be Mafia, my vote didn't even change anything!" + Show Spoiler [15] + On August 20 2009 12:12 Ace wrote: Qatol if Infundibulum was a Medic how could he safely make that claim to you? He'd never know your role + Show Spoiler [16] + On August 20 2009 12:18 Ace wrote: @Vivi: How has he sacrificed his own? You guys all said Sato pretty much told on himself so how is that relevant? + Show Spoiler [17] + On August 20 2009 12:21 Ace wrote: Your kidding right? You mean I haven't just started accusing everyone of being mafia all willy nilly is more like it. I've only focused on the mistakes that I've seen this game and the fact that some of you except Foolishness won't even embrace is it is suspicious. Pyrr had a so-so defense. But you and Qatol have pretty much ignored me. + Show Spoiler [18] + On August 20 2009 12:22 Ace wrote: we've only found 1, what do you want me to do magically pull one out my hat? + Show Spoiler [19] + On August 20 2009 12:26 Ace wrote: just because you did that doesn't mean he's town aligned. + Show Spoiler [20] + On August 20 2009 12:28 Ace wrote: Ok Foolishness, you see the wagon right? Seriously man. Just look at the voting thread. + Show Spoiler [21] + On August 20 2009 12:31 Ace wrote: Yea because it's the SAME people that got it wrong the first time. You mean to tell me you guys shouldn't be looking at your little group for the answers as to where the suspicions should go? + Show Spoiler [22] + On August 20 2009 12:32 Ace wrote: and look at the shit you did now + Show Spoiler [23] + You can easily categorize all of his posts in two categories: Chaff: He talks but essentially says nothing. Posts # 1 through 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20 are of this kind. Guilt Trips: Since he's basically committed to nothing all game, he weighs down on those who have done something whenever they were wrong. Posts #7, 11, 13, 17, 18, 21, 22 and 23 are of this kind. Ace's strategy was to sit back, feign activity, and pounce on Town members whenever they made a mistake. Now, take a look at Ace's posts in the current game: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [1] + On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote: I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. + Show Spoiler [2] + On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote: I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics? This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. + Show Spoiler [3] + On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself. Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. + Show Spoiler [4] + On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). + Show Spoiler [5] + On January 07 2010 04:15 Ace wrote: I actually forgot about the VI thing. You really just sucked last game ^_^ + Show Spoiler [6] + On January 07 2010 04:25 Ace wrote: I understand what you're trying to do it but it's not concrete enough. Judge is far more suspicious than Malongo posting about how he randomly thinks RoL is scummy. + Show Spoiler [7] + On January 07 2010 04:35 Ace wrote: BTW - Judge is mafia, calling it now. + Show Spoiler [8] + On January 07 2010 05:55 Ace wrote: Well I'm going to keep my vote on him because my standard policy for standard games still applies here: lynch Day 1 roleclaimers unless they have some serious proof or compelling argument. Look at what Judge has just done. Hey I'm a Medic! this can't be proven or disproved by anyone I have a plan, trust me! why are we putting blind faith in him? So because he MIGHT be a blue we shouldn't lynch him? That argument happens every game and I'm pretty sure we can all agree it's a useless platform to go on. I said at the end of last mini mafia that anyone role claiming medic is destined to die. The Medic role generally wants to avoid getting hit even if he can protect himself. However he/she does it is whatever, but trying to attract fire would be unwise. Hence, Judge definitely is NOT a medic. No one has ever gotten a free pass for role claiming on Day 1 and those were almost always Detective claims. So why are we letting a Medic claim go? + Show Spoiler [9] + On January 07 2010 06:25 Ace wrote: what exceptional information? I really want to know this. + Show Spoiler [10] + On January 07 2010 06:31 Ace wrote: I actually don't even care what his plan is. The fact that he has a plan and hasn't said a word about it speaks volumes. This is an 11 player game - what plan does he really have that's so fragile but powerful that it needs to be stated on Day 2 instead of Day 1? How does that help the town? Secondly Townies shouldn't lie. Which means that if Judge is town he HAS TO BE A MEDIC. But in my last post I outlined that there is no possible way Judge can be a medic. Which means HE IS LYING. I'm not going through this "he might be blue" shit again. I've said in countless games I really don't give a shit about not lynching someone solely because they might have a power role. If you make a big gamble and you make a mistake you deserve to be at the center of the lynch discussion. + Show Spoiler [11] + On January 07 2010 07:07 Ace wrote: Zato that would be a really odd mistake wouldn't it? Judge has experience playing Mafia on this site and another. If he never made that post I would have been fine with a no lynch for today. + Show Spoiler [12] + On January 07 2010 07:35 Ace wrote: If he does have a plan there isn't any reason to wait an entire Day to tell us. This is really one of the big signs painting him as Mafia to me. There is no reason to hold back. Secondly we do not know if he's telling the truth because we can't confirm it. This is the same thing we go through every game where for some reason people assume someone must be telling the truth IF they have a plan. When? In most of our games townies that lied have led to great disasters. Townies shouldn't be trying to lie to deceive anyone because hey - thats exactly what the Mafia are doing! And using your last sentences if Judge is a Medic then WHY WOULD HE BE WANTING TO GET HIT. Because he isn't a Medic. Did the last game have this rule set? I don't think so. When I claimed DT last game I was essentially invulnerable except for the Mafia having the option of switching BGs. This game has no Mayor/Pardoners so that's out of the window. There is nothing to be gained from anyone claiming to be a Medic on Day 1. Ever. Chances are he's Vet or Mafia. That's it. Doesn't even matter if he's plain red or GF. If he's red and he gets checked by the DT that means by Day 2 the DT is immediately outed in a game where the Mafia KP doesn't change based on Judge dying. As for any other candidates no one else is even near as suspicious as Judge. Somehow Malongo is being talked about based on 1 post he threw out there when Judge has several and SHOULD be talked about even more. Where the hell is everyone else playing this game? + Show Spoiler [13] + On January 07 2010 07:37 Ace wrote: no I'm lynching him because I think he is Mafia. I was using the way he was playing as an argument for why I think he indeed is Mafia ^_^ And yes I'm strongly opposed to Day 1 role claims in most formats. + Show Spoiler [14] + On January 07 2010 08:59 Ace wrote: Last game I could be invincible. What are you talking about? lol have you forgotten already? It doesn't matter if you think he's a GF. The point is no one claims medic on Day 1. It's seriously a dumb move. It's like 4 pooling on an island map. There is nothing to gain. And this hey let's wait and see his plan along with this I can't tell you guys what my plan is mentality is screaming Mafia. And to top it all off now we want to lynch Malongo based on nothing? lol right. You guys are making PERFECT sense here. Answer me on how we are going to confirm judge is a medic. + Show Spoiler [15] + On January 07 2010 09:17 Ace wrote: Interesting. So Malongo who was fucking randomly plucked out of no where for doing nothing wrong is all of a sudden about to die? Really smart guys. Just look at that wagon go. + Show Spoiler [16] + On January 07 2010 09:23 Ace wrote: you must be a salesman in real life + Show Spoiler [17] + On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote: Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game. Oh and argue with RoL too. + Show Spoiler [18] + On January 07 2010 09:45 Ace wrote: Does him being blue even matter? He hasn't done anything suspicious at all. And I don't have an argument for anyone else. Seriously Judge is the only person that seems suspect to me. + Show Spoiler [19] + On January 07 2010 09:46 Ace wrote: why would I want RoL killed again? How is him echoing me even relevant? :/ + Show Spoiler [20] + On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote: how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell. The second part was sarcasm. L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. + Show Spoiler [21] + On January 07 2010 09:52 Ace wrote: I can see just fine. Someone claims to be a Medic Day 1 and I'm supposed to just sit back and be like omg fine! Right Judge. Right ^_^ + Show Spoiler [22] + On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: @L: The only person I'd want to see die is Judge. @Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. + Show Spoiler [23] + On January 07 2010 10:01 Ace wrote: indeed L. Except I didn't pick because neither of them seem more fishy to me than Judge. + Show Spoiler [24] + On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote: I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. + Show Spoiler [25] + On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote: But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. + Show Spoiler [26] + On January 07 2010 10:14 Ace wrote: thats nice Judge. But like I've said before you shouldn't be surprised I'm not going for fake Medic claims. + Show Spoiler [27] + On January 07 2010 10:22 Ace wrote: L if you're concerned about RoL why isn't anyone else voting for him? (besides me of course) + Show Spoiler [28] + On January 07 2010 10:32 Ace wrote: That voting thread sure is something else. + Show Spoiler [29] + On January 07 2010 10:48 Ace wrote: I know L is laughing very hard right now + Show Spoiler [30] + On January 07 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: stop grasping at straws. I haven't even spoken to Chezinu all game. + Show Spoiler [31] + On January 07 2010 12:48 Ace wrote: ? are you serious? so you just flip flop voted multiple times, and now if Malongo dies and flips innocent you can say he had a chance to "save himself". lol interesting really. + Show Spoiler [32] + + Show Spoiler [33] + On January 07 2010 13:09 Ace wrote: I said this a few pages back. DT/Medic is also somewhat busted by GF roles, but only somewhat. And the reason you need DT/Medic is because without both Mafia is just going to run wild killing everyone and people will be scared to post knowing they have no protection. + Show Spoiler [34] + + Show Spoiler [35] + On January 07 2010 13:18 Ace wrote: Not at all. More like the random out of the blue bandwagon that you guys put on Malongo was the wrong call. + Show Spoiler [36] + On January 07 2010 13:25 Ace wrote: I don't. 5 out of 12 possible votes and not one of them Mafia? I highly doubt it. Either way I'm going to start going back through this whole debacle. But right now my top suspects: Judge, obviously ^_^ Scamp and Chezinu because of the last minute voting and flip flopping Zato-1 because he was the one who proposed lynching Malongo in the midst of the Judge debacle + Show Spoiler [37] + On January 07 2010 13:37 Ace wrote: I'd actually rather we have had a no lynch. I was already against the Malongo band wagon from jump and since he didn't really do much his death wasn't going to reveal anything major. Well now that he's dead everyone that voted for him is rightfully going to be questioned. + Show Spoiler [38] + On January 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote: I like how a long time before that I said killing malongo was a bandwagon move and we should have just killed Judge instead. It's ok though, if I survive tonight there's going to be hell on Day 2. + Show Spoiler [39] + On January 08 2010 10:14 Ace wrote: The bandwagon at Judge was very justified: A guy claiming medic on day with a "wait and let me live" approach vs a guy who got one of his posts randomly plucked out of no where and accused. Yes, the votes against Judge were so unjustified. Either way Day 2 someone is going to have to answer some tough questions. + Show Spoiler [40] + On January 08 2010 10:28 Ace wrote: I didn't want to lynch you. L said because you're a bad player you should be lynched. I said because Judge was lying and because he made a bad play he should be lynched. They both kept their votes on Malongo. L said I should switch my votes to you and I flat out told him that wasn't going to happen. The game I claimed DT L said it was a terrible play. Judge claims Medic Day 1 and L says no, no way a Mafia would do that. Seriously L, why the double standard? + Show Spoiler [41] + On January 08 2010 11:31 Ace wrote: What town plan? You mean the one after I died that everyone conveniently decided not to follow? There wasn't a town plan unless you mean the stupidity you tried to sell the town on. And I didn't want everyone to claim to me. I asked for BG information which when I died made sense. Judge's request of don't kill him shouldn't be held in higher regards than anyone else begging not to die (see Malongo). So you're wrong on what I did last game and you still haven't even given good reasoning as to why Judge should have been blindly trusted in the first place. But it's ok, all this pales in comparison to what Zato-1 is going to go through. + Show Spoiler [42] + On January 08 2010 12:04 Ace wrote: more leadership? lol nice I didn't even know I was a leader yet. The 5 of you that voted malongo off are all top suspects. Especially when ya know, you were the one who started the bs bandwagon and the others hopped on to it with lame excuses. + Show Spoiler [43] + On January 08 2010 20:51 Ace wrote: this is all interesting. I guess tomorrow I'll have to make a long post about Zato-1, Judge, MM and Chezinu. However at this point Chez I'm pretty sure you know you're like, almost guaranteed a lynch (seriously after seeing judge RC the first day and take shit, you'd have to AT LEAST be able to find a way to convince people). Also the other reason I don't really believe you is because on the Day 1 vote you flip flopped so many times that you came off as Mafia. Seriously, why would you flip flop if you wanted to save Malongo or Judge? Just abstain if that's the case. And yea I read your PM Chezinu, but I'm not helping you get MikeyMoo killed unless you really flip DT. Either way it's really funny how every single time someone is "on the radar" ANOTHER person comes from left field with some new info and knocks shit out of whack. After the Chezinu/MM debacle is cleared up we'll move on to past transgressions. + Show Spoiler [44] + On January 08 2010 21:21 Ace wrote: WHY DID YOU ROLECLAIM!? + Show Spoiler [45] + On January 08 2010 22:04 Ace wrote: Yea I was (still am) outraged at you. But there was no need to role claim. I mean seriously, is everyone going to roleclaim now when we have a GF in the game? Come on man, you just saw Chez and his nonsense. I don't even think you would have gotten put on the chopping block today since chez just pulled that stunt and that path gives us a faster way to finding Mafia. + Show Spoiler [46] + On January 08 2010 22:06 Ace wrote: how many times do I have to tell you if you didn't pull that stupid voting stunt on Day 1 I would have been more inclined to believe you? You said you didn't want to kill Judge or Malongo, told them to save themselves yet kept your vote flip flopping instead of simply abstaining. If you saw someone do that do you honestly think you'd believe they were legit? + Show Spoiler [47] + On January 09 2010 05:07 Ace wrote: Vigi isn't exactly easy to confirm, check the rules ^_^ But either way it only looks bad because Chezinu DT claimed first. No point in mass roleclaims on the Second Day of the game when there isn't even anything to panic about. + Show Spoiler [48] + On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote: Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational. I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him. As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. + Show Spoiler [49] + On January 09 2010 14:35 Ace wrote: I'm active enough? Seriously though I've been in meetings and shit. And tomorrow from 12-9 ET (cringe) I'll be tutoring kids. Hopefully they let me use the internet. + Show Spoiler [50] + On January 09 2010 14:40 Ace wrote: You've told me I'm Mafia about 7 times already. But you can keep screaming it for your own pleasure ^_^ + Show Spoiler [51] + On January 09 2010 15:53 Ace wrote: Ok I understand why you're for killing MM...but how does that confirm Judge or even L? + Show Spoiler [52] + On January 09 2010 20:30 Ace wrote: Oh...oh my god! Brilliant! Surely the DT wouldn't think that the fact you purposely claimed Medic to draw an investigation to yourself and a GF isn't in the game you'd never even attempt to pull a stunt! So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time. Yeah, that's a lot of posts alright. But, I've done some work and categorized them for you again: Chaff posts where he makes comments and maybe triest to set a mood or give an idea of his thoughts: Posts #1 through 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 40, 41, 44, 45, 46, 47, 49, 50, 51 and 52. Posts with content: Posts #34, 36, 37, 38, 42 and 43 are essentially guilt trips; someone did a mistake, and he's calling them out on it. Posts #8, 13, 15, 18, 23 and 39 are posts in which he justifies attempts to lynch Judge for his day 1 roleclaiming. Now for the analysis: - There's nothing suspicious about making Chaff posts. Everyone makes them, some more than others. - Guilt Trip posts are of a different kind; when the Town makes a mistake, instead of trying to pick up the broken pieces and move on to the next course of action, Ace focuses on kicking the parties responsible for the mistake while they're down. This is done to lower Town morale and attempt to make Town players bitter, and recriminate themselves about who's responsible for what- while he sits back and watches. - His posts against Judge are probably just the fact that his dislike for day 1 roleclaiming happened to coincide with a daring Town initiative for getting organized. Two birds with one stone there (personal satisfaction & lynching a potential Town organizer), and he can just blame his zeal against day 1 roleclaiming for persecuting Judge. - What seems to be the connecting trend between Ace's posts? The only thing he's actually committed to, was persecuting Judge, and for a pretty bad reason at that ("I think he's lying about being a Medic, so he has to be mafia"). Other than that, he's content to sit back, make a lot of posts with little substance, and punish Town members when they make a wrong call. Does this seem like a game-winning plan for Town to you? 'cause it looks a lot more like a mafia trying to sow dissent among the Town while appearing to be active, to me. For this reason, tonight I am going to kill Ace. You'll generally notice 2 similar trends; An attempt to shit on players without providing much in the way of productive work. Ace of all players loves talking about blue strategy, yet he didn't bother talking about potential medic targets; Odd seeing as he's fucking Ace and Ace normally gets shot early. He didn't talk about DTs either, He didn't ask for anyone to be checked. It seems like his prime focus has been trying to breadcrumb to set up lynches. Ace pushed very strongly against Chez/BM using their posting style as an excuse, much the same way he used judge's claim during the game this is referenced from as an excuse. Generally Ace's mafia play in low number setups to cruise along while attempting to appear active without providing something akin to a forward looking plan. He heaps suspicion on people, then has the rest of his team casually flit in and out of fights he causes. That's 100% what he's doing this game. Don't believe me? Check his post history in this thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Ace&gb=date Ace's posts are either 1 liners or they're tossing shit at people. Instead of bothering to unpack any of his ideas, he's content to try and trap townies. Look at the first 25 or so posts in the thread; They exclusively attempt to smear both me and the BM/Chez team. BM/Chez reacted to it; See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23 BM flat out nails Ace: Ace isn't doing shit for the town. Read the entire page. Its pretty telling. Ace complains that BM is lying when Ace's narrative has been that BM/Chez style play will get you killed. Ace says that statement is a lie despite: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=6#109 The fact that it isn't. Ace does the same with me at a later point. But those are kinda just little peanuts ontop of the sundae. The main scoop is here: On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. The problem here should be obvious. We have 7 people alive. After a lynch on me we'd have 5 people alive. 3 town. 2 mafia. Lylo. If Ace is town and he's cool with being lynched, we lose the game. No townie would gladly accept being killed in Lylo because it's a loss. Ace is cool with it. Probably because Ace is trying to garner support for a push. Even if Ace is red, being able to kill me today is optimal for him; he's controlled 2 of our lynches and from this point all his other team needs to do is stay moderately active. Both teams are free to breadcrumb around to their heart's content because killing Ace in a 3-2 scenario if he's red just leads us to another 2-1 Lylo which means town has a less than 25% chance at victory with random choice. Put simply; Ace is doing what he normally does as mafia. He throws shit around at targets that he thinks he'll be able to target safely and sits back making pithy one liner chaff posts. 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No I don't. It's very well known that I always says Player ability is much more important than Blue roles. That is of all things one of the reasons I'm the best player on these forums - regardless of whatever I flip I'm leading you to scum. Secondly why would I talk about DTs or Medics when we aren't even sure if we have any? No, that's not very well known at all. In fact the moment we started switching to F11, you stopped playing consistently. Judge's comments in that game alone were pretty on the money about your play. Why would you talk about DTs or Medics if we aren't even sure if we have any? Is that a joke? DTs checking certain players over others and keeping good players alive seems to be a pretty pro-town thing. I guess you disagree, but that seems typical because you aren't here to win, you're here to survive until day 3. Wrong. Look at my last post I proved you wrong in which you still haven't answered. I explained why I voted for Bm and Chez. I'll quote it again for you here: Completely right. Even the post you quoted that 'exonerates you' supports my statement that you railed on BM and Chez's posting style. The RVS analysis is pretty hilarious, because BM's usage was textbook correct. He basically talked about one of the jeep tells, which is standard. The rest is LITERALLY YOU HARPING ON THEIR POSTING STYLE. You don't like their style of posting. You don't like the amount of pushing they do. You didn't like the volume of their posts. You literally defend yourself by quoting evidence against yourself. Sorry bro. Not gonna cut it. Once again you are making things up. I called T2 out on their play in THIS GAME. Spamming, multiple vote switching, massive accusations, blatant misuse of terms and game theory - all behavior that did not help the town. Whoa. You called them out on shit that you said you disliked in them from previous games. Shocker. Somehow that means you didn't try to import a pre-game bias despite arguing directly from it?!AMAZING CONCLUSION ACE. NEXT WILL YOU TELL US UP IS DOWN AND LEFT IS RIGHT? So let's assume this is true (which it isn't) - If my playstyle is to lay low and cruise then why am I so active in this game? I was one of the most active players all Day 1. Hell I was more active than you yourself but yet I was laying low? Another blatant lie. Let's move on because I like the taste of your scum blood You aren't active. You're tossing out 1 liner shit posts and throwing crap in my and t2's direction. You haven't done a single constructive thing besides that. Like I said, you feign activity but dont' produce proper work for the town, exactly like Zato describes in his analysis of your play. It has nothing to do with post volume, but post content. But okay, pretend that's a 'BLATANT LIE'. Seems everything anyone says about you must be one. So L where are all my 1 liner's and tossing shit at people You uh, seem to have forgotten that the two posts prior to the post I'm quoting you in have been 1 liners wherein you've tossed shit at me. LITERALLY WITHIN THE LAST 10 POSTS, TWO OF YOUR POSTS ARE OF THE TYPE THAT YOU ARE PRETENDING YOU ARE NOT MAKING. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DESPERATION. Where on that page do I say anything about BM/Chez's playstyle. Quote it!. You can't because it didn't happen - once again you're lying. Well, your narrative against their playstyle is pretty much all across the thread (including the post i am replying to), but are you referring to me saying that you said they lied? If so: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#455 Oh shit, I quoted it. There you are straight up calling them liars (again, because EVERYONE LIES ALL THE TIME RIGHT?!). BM wasn't lying. I proved that in my post. You are just trying to discredit him with your bullshit, as you're trying to do with me. Its pretty obvious that your goal here isn't to do much else than discredit people then push for their lynch. You did it with BM, you're trying to do it with me. Once again a blatant lie No, actually it isn't. I'm definitely not cool with being lynched. Where did I state that? Right here champ. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. You basically try to wriite this off that no one's talking about being lynched, when you have a gigantic radfield confirmed green post saying that if I die and flip green, you're 100% red. You reply with "ok do whatever you want at that point". If you're town you don't want people 'doing what they want' if you get the lynch on me wrong (and it is indeed wrong), because it automatically loses the game. You're trying to twist your way out of this, but its pretty obvious that you're running outta rope. See. Once again I've bagged you for falsely representing my position. Blatant lying. You're definitely getting my vote but in my next post a couple of hours from now I'm going to implicate you in shooting T1 last night. You're definitely scum. See? Zato's analysis is 100% right. You make empty posts that feign activity, throw shit around, then try to get people lynched without adding anything to the town. Pretending everyone 'lies' when they push you doesn't make what they say lies. You 100% fit the profile of Mafia Ace. You are Scum. | ||
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On June 26 2010 13:13 Ace wrote: You just posted the same bullshit you posted before without any evidence. Where are the 1 liners L? Where is my talking about their posting style? The JEEP tells are outdated tells from newbie games. BM was wrong about RVS. My play hasn't been consistent since we started using F11? Er what? Another baseless accusation. QUOTE SPECIFIC POSTS L. Where is the evidence? Literally this is what you do: 1.) Say I did or didn't do something. 2.) Claim because of 1, I must be scum. 3.) Tie it into an argument that doesn't exist. Example: Me railing on BMs playstyle, me making 1 liner chaff posts, me not scum hunting. My previous post proved you wrong. Secondly Zato's analysis of that game doesn't fit this game. Where are the chaff posts L? Where are the posts that say nothing? You can't find them. Your making shit up and I got you running now. You STILL haven't responded to my post earlier in the game in which you mis-represented my position and you're doing it again. "Of course if L flips blue/green you can definitely do what you want" -> me being cool with being lynched. I'm going to put a stop to your shitty logic. Your getting lynched and I'm going to go all out to make sure every townie sees what we do. Unlike past games where I had to damn near vote for everyone to get you lynched I've got an ally in DTA here so it's going to be much easier. Ace, if you weren't grasping at straws, you'd go look at your last 4 posts. 2 of them are literally shit throwing one liners. They are at the bottom of page 34. There are plenty of fucking chaff posts, LIKE THE TWO MENTIONED ABOVE. Rest of your post is literally the same "you're a liar, neener neener" bullshit. You can ignore the evidence that was vomited straight out in front of you and pretend it isn't there, but that's okay; the rest of the town won't. The BM/Chez business is pretty obvious to anyone who read your argumentation, too. You're scum. You got found out. Just make sure to give me a happy smiley face when you die so that I know you aren't ACTUALLY butthurt. I'd hate to lose my best mafia buddy. | ||
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On June 26 2010 13:25 Ace wrote: L those are NOT chaff posts. Line by line post PROOF of me railing on BM/Chez because of their playstyle. Don't give us a link to a search result: POST IT. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L. Where is the posts of me sitting back not doing anything? How come you didn't address where I called you out for contradicting yourself? You said when I'm scum I sit back and and watch the town devour itself but earlier in the game I pulled a quote of you saying your glad I'm talking alot. Come on, I'm pulling your lies and contradictions up left and right and you have no answer except to post the same junk. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L SHOW US. I did post proof. Go read my posts in the last 2 pages. If you're too myopic to read the words on the fucking page, me re-posting shit isn't going to change anything. I was even charitable and used your OWN FUCKING EXCUSE POST as an example. As for the bolded portion, no, I quoted Zato's analysis. You don't 'sit back and make no posts'. You 'sit back and provide no positive contributions'. You DO post a lot, you just don't say very much. In this game you avoided talking about blue targets, didn't bother thinking about how to trap mafia with a medic list. Didnt' get into a discussion about how to use DT checks to pressure people. You. Did. Nothing. Well, besides try your best to bus BM/Chez and paint me red. Radfield caught on to your stupidity and I figured I'd give you a full profile using Zato's post, which you yourself described as a spot on analysis post game. Good thing you're now pretending that isn't how you play mafia, amongst other things. Enjoy that Ace. Its the sound of your bullshit thorned defense getting shredded. | ||
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On June 26 2010 13:29 bumatlarge wrote: Off topic but a few terms im not faniliar with -lylo -ebwop? -jeep im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them Lylo is lynch or lose, a situation in which town has to lynch a mafia or it loses numerically. EBWOP is editing by using another post. Jeep tells were a bunch of tells that some mafia wizard used, then he revealed them and veteran players quickly stay away from them. New people do them quite often if they don't know about them, though. | ||
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LOL. IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL. THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT. As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread. | ||
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On June 26 2010 13:48 Ace wrote: Got ya! Here is the tell right here: http://67.222.17.61/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia So if you are using this as a basis for me being scum show me where I'm the third vote on a wagon. Go ahead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#451 Got ya! Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us. Its not a random theory. Its a jeep tell. You tried to hound bill on his 'faulty logic', but he was pulling one of the most standard pieces of analysis. Weak Ace. Now you're thinking I'm applying the Jeep tell to you? Herp Derp. I'm talking about the You/Bill spat, champ. Get with the times. Get those cataracts removed so you can read the text in front of you before getting smug. | ||
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On June 26 2010 14:17 Ace wrote: It's me saying that Bill Murray was WRONG and he was. He didn't even know that the RVS doesn't just end whenever he feels it does. Hell people still didn't even vote at that point. I told you that tell is outdated. In fact here let's go back look at past games (not taking out the strike marks): MM 3: The "theory" holds true in 1 out of 3 cases. Chezinu was scum. In the other cases the third voter was town. That's not entirely true. Look at the voters on the Nemy and Scamp lists. The scamp list has redtooth twice; The vote list didn't even hit 3 individual members. , this... isn't the list for MM3. The list is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110491¤tpage=2 Of the final vote placements, there is only 1 player who is the third member on a train. It is Chez as mafia. Of the vote placements as they came, Chez is also third in the same vote train, and redtooth was third on a train against Chez himself but switched. So in MM3, either the efficiency of the tell on day 1 is 100 or 50%. Forging your data is bad news too. MM2: 1 out of 3 again! Again, if you go and look at the actual remainder votes, you got them wrong. Again you didn't even pick the right votes; http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109318¤tpage=2 At the bottom of the page. There are actually only 2 people who finish day 1 in third, Nemy and I. Nemy is mafia. I am not. Chez on the mikeymoo 'bus' sits there for a grand total of 4 hours with nearly no activity in the voting thread and switches away. So again, 50 or 33% here depending on if you're using resultant or running totals. You getting the votelists here wrong is particularly odd given that you were the one pushing to get judge killed and the Zato post we are referencing in the thread is from this game. MM2 continued: 1 out of 2! Awesome MM1: 1 for 4. Slight problem. Only 1 of these is a day 1. Ignoring that, however, the SatouKisei votes are against a mafia member, and those aren't vote lists from the start of the game when RVS and random wagoning is important. The Vivi wagon, for instance, was your game ending win lynch for mafia; who cares about blending in if you can just end the game there. Cutting those two out, we're back to 50% ... In a mafia game wherein the random probability of hitting mafia is 2/9, or 22.2%, the 3rd player Jeep tell has outperformed random picking in EVERY SINGLE GAME, even when you ignore context like you have. I'll go over this with 2 objections to what you're trying to say here: 1) The first is that you weren't trying to argue that BM was 'wrong'. You had no idea what bill murray was talking about in the first place. The post of your I linked has you overtly going "what the fuck is RVS". Read bill's earlier posts; he uses RVS perfectly well. It stands for random voting stage. You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; There was not a single shred of evidence posted by you prior to this post, on day 2 after BM already flipped green that you put up against the RVS. Instead you just painted Bill red. Its perfectly fine to disagree with his position and attempt to take it down, but to make the leap from suggesting a jeep tell as a method of analysis to going straight red isn't a critique. Its making an excuse for painting someone red. Zato's analysis of you puts that as your main goal as mafia, and its served you well.. 2) The second objection is that you're actually wrong. The games you've shown actually prove BM's point. I've put my notes in bold above. The second point is actually rather irrelevant. Look at how discussion on this page has gone; Ace tries to imply that I've been attempting to use the Jeep tell on him and intentionally confuses issues to push people away from the initial characterization Zato made of Ace. Go look at MM2 and read the analysis and the posts linked, its very informative. And now, to sleep for sures because I gotta get up in 5.5 hours, dawg. | ||
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As for this: On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote: L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: Ace's post against it was this one: I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings. If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia. I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself. | ||
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On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote: L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7. Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say. I kinda relooked at the votes and it seems that T9 WAS trying to shitball T7 asap after the day started, which would make sense if T7 is town and T9 is mafia as per the above analysis. The only problem I have is that there was very, very little in the way of thread pushing, just very light taps. I am, however, very surprised at the overall level of activity that we're getting from everyone, not just T7. If I could, I'd prefer hitting T9 today because of how it fits into the above pattern, but frankly we don't have enough time to move the train and an attempt to move it would kill me, which means we'd be in Lylo tomorrow and that would be bad. | ||
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On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote: Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to. Its probably not a trash or random vote. Its probably a way of taking an easier kill instead of drawing attention to mafia by pushing me and having me flip red. If T7 flips town, we're going to have a roller-coaster final 2 days. | ||
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? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot. I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell. Clearly he was wrong. Was it "MASSIVE"? Really? Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead. Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. Explain this. In depth. Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow. For the record, I didn't try to play it up? Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it. said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going? Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are? | ||
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On June 27 2010 10:41 YellowInk wrote: Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7? L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace? I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment. Well, no, it doesn't clear both of us. It'll be interesting if he refuses, then T9 flips red to a future lynch or DT check. | ||
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Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc." The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9. Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option. | ||
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On June 27 2010 10:58 DCLXVI wrote: there goes the game for you guys. GLHF If you're fo-real, next game post less trash. | ||
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On June 27 2010 11:49 Divinek wrote: i think this will be the list now -1 more town team, probably the one with two people 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5.YellowInk 6.L 7.Nikon 8.BrownBear Rofl, if that's the case, we might have lost enough votes for the game to be over unless we get a medic prot. PRETTY SHIT TIMES UP IN HERE. | ||
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On June 27 2010 11:53 Ace wrote: Meh. He must have really believed someone's argument then. I still peg you as their scum ally then. till don't like that agreement between you, YI, and DTA to swing vote. Obv your team doing something sketch means that I'm the mafia member. Ur gud at this Ace-kins. Sure hope T3 isn't mafia or we lose T_T. | ||
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Keep that in mind, because the total vote counts are very likely to be important. There are certain night hits that automatically reveal who the other team is, so they might not move to destroy the maximum amount of votes. I personally think they'll hit a 3 or 4 player team unless they can auto-win by hitting the six vote team. Anyways, best of luck town. Guarantee we shoulda bonked Ace yesterday. | ||
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On June 28 2010 09:53 LaXerCannon wrote: I don't think they they'll hit us or team 4 because that would make it a lot more obvious on who's mafia or not (assuming town is still alive after losing one of team 3,4). I forgot a don't, but yeah. If they kill certain teams they automatically lose the game. | ||
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On June 28 2010 10:03 Ace wrote: didnt you just post some crap yesterday about T7 or Team 8 saving Team 9 in the previous day's wagon? Or was that just to get votes off of yourself which would of course be totally understandable. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure who your partner team is, but don't worry, I've got a pretty good idea. | ||
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On June 28 2010 10:57 BrownBear wrote: If you really think Ace is mafia, you should know that him offing you is really dumb. Why? Because he knows I'm going to push for his death tomorrow regardless? He can simply point to your post here and go "LOL OBV WASNT ME, IM NOT THAT OBVIOUS". With another team and his teammate supporting him, it literally takes a single town member to fuck up and bam; his team wins. If 2 town members fuck up, lol awesome, now his passive mafia team gets to hide and not go on the vote record in a bad spot for the second Lylo we'll have after T4's demise. Either way, he's in a decent position because a buncha chowderheads decided not to read the thread during day 2 and let him off the hook. | ||
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Besides that they've done nothing besides push against me and BM/Chez. Ace doesn't even bother trying to push another team because identifying a mafia 'team' is irrelevant to him; he just needs people convinced enough to vote per-lynch. As of right now, I think 4-7 is the most likely mafia team. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:09 LaXerCannon wrote: Would it have changed anything? ; ; YES. The 6 vote teams were the only possible target for medic protection tonight because of how the votes work. Mafia woulda won with both 6 voters. Coming out and saying "LOL ACE IS MAFIA IM A DT LETS GO CHOO CHOO" woulda ended the game in our favor. You had another check after a successful lynch on Ace and we had a med prot on you tonight. You KNOWING there was a medic after being roleblocked and not coming out earlier is unreal. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:10 BrownBear wrote: Yeah, here's what went down for Team medic: Day 1, we lynched Team 2 (fail) Night 1, we protected Team 4 (extra fail) Day 2, we lynched Team 9 (f-f-f-fail), and 2/3 of the team decided to go AWOL Night 2, we protected Team L, but that didn't seem to make that much of a difference. So yeah. All the modkills Day 2 murdered Town stone cold dead. Why would you prot me. I have 3 votes. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:12 LaXerCannon wrote: I didn't know ace was mafia until under 10 minutes ago when I checked my PM boxed Come out and say you checked them, ask for medic protection. The moment you saw the vote totals you had no other move because a hit on you was gg. :/ Oh well. Wasn't like you played worse than all of the townies who didn't bother reading the thread at all on Day 2. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:15 Ace wrote: I was taunting you lololololololololol. I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ. No one bothers reading posts anyways. Half the town got modkilled during the day we had to push you. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:18 Ace wrote: Your posts on Day 2 were so terrible why would they. You made a ton of mistakes that I'll be sure to point out after I finish watching the BET awards. Seriously you should have learned something about arguing against someone you are 100% sure is scum by now. Rofl, I had like 5 out of game observers being like "I can't believe town isn't reading anything, so stupid" to me in PMs. Was pretty hilarious. | ||
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On June 28 2010 11:24 Korynne wrote: I don't think the modkills were detrimental to town. I believe that if BrownBear and bumCannon acted correctly, then you guys would be in a great position. At the end of the day: Mafia vote power: 3 Mafia KP: 1 Town: DT and Medic Town vote power: 14 In fact, the modkills put you guys into a unique position to be able to make an optimal play. Doing very simple analysis here would've helped a lot guys. =\ And even if you weren't DT/medic, town should have noted this and mentioned it in the thread. Err, it was noted and mentioned. | ||
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