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To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira.. If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future. 1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing. 2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game. 3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. For 30% fun: On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly. Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process. TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet? + Show Spoiler + Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo? | ||
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On July 01 2010 12:40 Korynne wrote: Well at least we all agree that middle would be most obvious mafia GF choice. =] Chez you just made a really long post that can be summarized as follows: 1. Chez asks a question about roles 2. Chez says we should have a plan... and then asks if roleclaiming is a good idea... So Chez, I still think your behaviour is disruptive. xP The only problem with our mafia speculation is that gf could be any skill level of player. So we should probably focus on that rather than looking for the 1 mafia that now exists. You missed the key point. We should focus more on killing the Godfather than the pawns. With this thought, the idea of having lovers and mason roleclaim confirming each other could benefit the town and lead to a quick victory. Roleblocker can protect a lover from dying. Town has the advantage early game in this setup unlike other games. We must stop the mafia before their numbers out grow us! I think this is insightful information, perhaps in your eyes I am just stating the obvious. But new setups, one must state the obvious for the betterment of the town so that we can all work together with one mind. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:12 YellowInk wrote: A few quick points I want to stick into this flurry. Mass roleclaim is bad. Bad Chez Bad. Hang the Chez for even suggesting. Cahoots! Stalemates are not good for town. They're not terrible, either, IF the godfather is dead, but since as a non-roleblocking townie it's hard for one to be sure if we're actually in a stalemate or perhaps had a lucky medic/vet in between two role blocks. Double lynches should be used in the mid to late game, not in the early game. It's a town empowering ability. Right now we'd be shooting blanks. Later we'll need them to clean up the scum. If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Remember that we're going to have a very difficult time lynching any of the skilled players to begin with. While the numbers are thin, they're going to play no differently from any other townie. It doesn't matter that we know who the skilled players are, I am not about to bet the game on lynching L or Korynne or BM tonight. If we were to start lynching these players, the godfather would then switch to going after middling players, so there's not much advantaged to be gained by making a plan to lynch top players. Ok, so that last point wasn't so quick. Recruiting games are tough. You can't trust anyone - unfortunately especially those who get named as 'strong'. I never said to mass roleclaim.. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:48 BrownBear wrote: ahh, i didn't realize we didn't have medics. Plus, we can roleblock someone twice in a row, so there's no reason not to keep them alive at least once and then roleblock them again. oh! Jailer acts as medic, I was wrong | ||
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Godfather: Recruited one person and doesn't know their role. Thus can't really coordinate. Traitor: Knows nothing. Recruit: Knows nothing. What we know as town: We have lovers... I did not intentionally fish Darth into revealing this information.. but know town knows! So if we have free masons then we know that it is possible that if lovers/masons confirm each other via role claim 4 proven innocents right off the bat. This reduces finding traitor,recruit, and GF to 3/16 chance. Only GF can fake claim lover/mason by confirming recruit and hoping that he plays along. To prevent this, true masons/lovers can pm each other to and post exact same time. If we want to make this move, we have to do it today while mafia numbers are low and lack communication/information. With Jailer/Roleblocker available we can extend the lives of lovers/masons. Having 4 confirm townies to start the game would only benefit the town. I would suggest masons to claim first. I can't see any fault with this plan. This plan will work if free masons exist. So if you are the masons please consider this plan. | ||
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On July 01 2010 14:39 youngminii wrote: Doesn't the godfather know that he failed? nope! His recruits will probably know since all recruits know each other. So they have to find a way to inform the GF if his plan failed. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Just to mess with the mafia, because going to bed taunting mafia and messing with them is fun. What if they are lovers roleclaim masons? What if masons roleclaim lovers? hehe What if we have both masons and lovers and they both roleclaim "couples"? What if tomorrow two recruits roleclaim "couples" only to later be checked by a DT that causes them both to die? | ||
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On July 02 2010 01:28 Hesmyrr wrote: Dear God, thread explosion. So much for quickly dropping in idea. First, I am Hesmyrr. I think [player] is [good/middle/bad] (pick 1)-skilled, and believe mafia is likely to recruit [good/middle/bad] (pick 1)-skilled player! ...-_- I would be pleasantly annoyed to see player vote someone due to this reasoning. It's mindless WIFOM and essentially null-read that should never be used to lynch someone; especially when there is more concrete materials to work around with now, with most player having made their stances and endorsements. Now Double Lynch (proposed by BM). This is bad idea, and many people already spoke up why, but let me summarize the main points: 1) There are only two double lynch available in this game and should be saved until seriously needed, 2) Using double lynch at d1, when there are lack of information, only increases chance of bandwagoning scum slightly but greatly increase the chance of bandwagoning PR (since there are more of them) which is exactly what we do not want. I am curious to know the Bill Murray's reasoning behind his support- it is in responsibility of the plan proposer to explain why that plan is good idea, you know. Mason Roleclaim (proposed by L and Chezinu). I am not even discussing this shit. Roleblock instead of Lynch (proposed by Korynne). For some reason I really don't like this idea, and I wish I could point out in detail why had I enough time. I'll try to give detailed argument against this plan when I have enough time tomorrow, and either way it wouldn't even matter because I think the town is pretty much forced to lynch every day til Godfather is confirmed dead. Please remember we are fighting CULT (with NK powers), not Mafia? Lynching normal Mafia goon does not result in net gain for us, it just results in stalemate as mafia recruit another member immediately following night. Especially with INCREASING KP, the town effort should be focused on getting Godfather than scum especially now when we have the same probability of finding them anyway. Voting BrowneY as placeholder, probably subject to change but I would appreciate it if more people (zeks, Divinek etc.) spoke up. fixed | ||
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##mafia Korynee ##GF Yellowink -- was thinking but admitted accusing me was a cheap shot. So, I'm going to leave you alone for now. Top innocents: 1. Bill Murray I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking Kory was mafia before Bill started attacking her. I don't think Kory is the GF, but is more likely a recruit. Reasons: She is not male and therefore can't be godfather and she was active before the silence game. GF wouldn't want to risk having an inactive. Other biases, Kory has been attacking everything I say.. Bill on the other had has been flattering me, so obviously I'm going to side with Bill. Note: the only serious thing in this post - I agree with Bill Murray that Kory has been acting strange. But I doubt Kory is GF but more likely recruit. I think I'm going to go through the list of players now and try to find a good lynch candidate. | ||
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Conclusion: either everyone became crazy like me which isn't true. Or I'm finally playing sane this game. | ||
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Confirmed by mod: Browney can't be GF because he didn't have access to thread and we have lovers because he used to queen of hearts to pick Juliet and the queen of clubs for Romeo. I can't help but play with logistics.. At least kory isn't host, lol. | ||
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Almost Facts: 1. We have lovers 2. Browney is unlikely GF since he has no access to forum 3. If we have masons that claim and then lovers claim afterwards we would temporarily have 5 confirm innocents. If one would count oneself as innocent then finding traitor/recruit/GF from the remaining list would be 3/14 chance. If we take into consideration inactives that will be modkilled the chance of killing mafia would increase more. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 12:34 Chezinu wrote: I cannot believe that this town believes that my behavior is disruptive. You people hardly even know who I am. I have not even spoken a word. If silence causes chaos, then let my voice create order. To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira.. If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future. 1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing. 2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game. 3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. For 30% fun: Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet? + Show Spoiler + Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo? On July 01 2010 12:48 Chezinu wrote: You missed the key point. We should focus more on killing the Godfather than the pawns. With this thought, the idea of having lovers and mason roleclaim confirming each other could benefit the town and lead to a quick victory. Roleblocker can protect a lover from dying. Town has the advantage early game in this setup unlike other games. We must stop the mafia before their numbers out grow us! I think this is insightful information, perhaps in your eyes I am just stating the obvious. But new setups, one must state the obvious for the betterment of the town so that we can all work together with one mind. On July 01 2010 13:47 Chezinu wrote: we have no medics.. On July 01 2010 14:05 Chezinu wrote: As of right now Town has the advantage: Godfather: Recruited one person and doesn't know their role. Thus can't really coordinate. Traitor: Knows nothing. Recruit: Knows nothing. What we know as town: We have lovers... I did not intentionally fish Darth into revealing this information.. but know town knows! So if we have free masons then we know that it is possible that if lovers/masons confirm each other via role claim 4 proven innocents right off the bat. This reduces finding traitor,recruit, and GF to 3/16 chance. Only GF can fake claim lover/mason by confirming recruit and hoping that he plays along. To prevent this, true masons/lovers can pm each other to and post exact same time. If we want to make this move, we have to do it today while mafia numbers are low and lack communication/information. With Jailer/Roleblocker available we can extend the lives of lovers/masons. Having 4 confirm townies to start the game would only benefit the town. I would suggest masons to claim first. I can't see any fault with this plan. This plan will work if free masons exist. So if you are the masons please consider this plan. On July 01 2010 14:19 Chezinu wrote: I just realized that lovers/masons could possibly have blue roles.. That could make things more interesting.. On July 01 2010 14:22 Chezinu wrote: I would leave roleclaiming up to the masons to decide. They know what roles they have and have far greater knowledge than we do. I just want to make sure the masons know their options. On July 01 2010 14:41 Chezinu wrote: nope! His recruits will probably know since all recruits know each other. So they have to find a way to inform the GF if his plan failed. On July 01 2010 14:54 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I probably need to go to bed as well.. I might pop up again tonight because this game is addicting. + Show Spoiler + Just to mess with the mafia, because going to bed taunting mafia and messing with them is fun. What if they are lovers roleclaim masons? What if masons roleclaim lovers? hehe What if we have both masons and lovers and they both roleclaim "couples"? What if tomorrow two recruits roleclaim "couples" only to later be checked by a DT that causes them both to die? On July 02 2010 07:58 Chezinu wrote: Top suspects atm: ##mafia Korynee ##GF Yellowink -- was thinking but admitted accusing me was a cheap shot. So, I'm going to leave you alone for now. Top innocents: 1. Bill Murray I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking Kory was mafia before Bill started attacking her. I don't think Kory is the GF, but is more likely a recruit. Reasons: She is not male and therefore can't be godfather and she was active before the silence game. GF wouldn't want to risk having an inactive. Other biases, Kory has been attacking everything I say.. Bill on the other had has been flattering me, so obviously I'm going to side with Bill. Note: the only serious thing in this post - I agree with Bill Murray that Kory has been acting strange. But I doubt Kory is GF but more likely recruit. I think I'm going to go through the list of players now and try to find a good lynch candidate. On July 02 2010 08:03 Chezinu wrote: Wow, everyone seems to be on the same page as me this game. I post that we need to focus on GF at the same time other people do. I post mason plan though different same time as L. Now, someone posts that the likely-hood Bill and Kory are low and are going to look through the player list to find a GF candidate. Conclusion: either everyone became crazy like me which isn't true. Or I'm finally playing sane this game. On July 02 2010 08:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok just to note, Confirmed by mod: Browney can't be GF because he didn't have access to thread and we have lovers because he used to queen of hearts to pick Juliet and the queen of clubs for Romeo. I can't help but play with logistics.. At least kory isn't host, lol. On July 02 2010 08:41 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I still haven't narrow down the list yet for GF, I have to go soon and don't think I'll finish the list. So, I'm just going to state the obvious since it is a new setup. Almost Facts: 1. We have lovers 2. Browney is unlikely GF since he has no access to forum 3. If we have masons that claim and then lovers claim afterwards we would temporarily have 5 confirm innocents. If one would count oneself as innocent then finding traitor/recruit/GF from the remaining list would be 3/14 chance. If we take into consideration inactives that will be modkilled the chance of killing mafia would increase more. I've been busy, but here is my current list of potential lynch candidates for today: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban As for my plan about both masons claiming, followed by lovers claim (of course lovers could have claimed masons as well - and they could have claimed first to mess with the mafia etc..). It would reduce the above list narrowing down who the possible GF could be. By "rushing" the mafia, I meant that we snipe the GF as fast as possible before he could build up an army. We kill him now while there is no mafia coordination. Of course, rushing means that we may expose ourselves if we aren't successful. But we wouldn't expose ourselves too much since Jailer/roleblocker can cover our masons/lovers to reduce chances of losing them. One factor that I didn't initially think about is that a masons/lovers may have a special role, which in that case the non-special mason may be the only one willing to roleclaim. That's why I left the choice for the masons to decide for themselves. | ||
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On July 03 2010 02:16 Hesmyrr wrote: Knowing the criteria behind Chezinu (or in fact anyone's) lynch list would indeed be nice. Considering it's nature, I am more interested in the people he chose to leave behind: zeks, Thegilaboy, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, ElyAs, and BrowneY. BrowneY is no-brainer for moment, but I am wondering why you do not ElyAs lynch? Are you willing to propose 'an' alternative lynch candidate that town can choose to go behind? zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me BrowneY- obv reasons Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch". I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs. | ||
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Storm clouds threatening rain surrounded the town of Liquifield, discouraging its citizens from celebrating the lynch that had occurred earlier that day. You know what this means. I don't even have to say it. | ||
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On July 04 2010 12:45 bumatlarge wrote: Although he did indeed suspect you, it doesnt look like anything to deep, and I dont think youd go and do that to one lesser poster out of all of us who spread stuff on you. He called out Chez's list, and this seems like something chez would do, but other than that, I think mafia just wanted to hit a lesser known person with no recruitment credentials, who seemed to be anxious to contribute. I'm guessing mafia is definitely a higher tier player, whos trying to keep that tier's pool of people at a high number til he gets his new member. At least we now know GF's first recruitment got through. Even though I wouldn't consider it benficial, it is information we can use now or later. If you listen to the eic star wars duel song, it sounds like they say "korynnnnnneee, maffffiaaaaaa! KORRYYYYYNNNNNEE, GODFATHAAAAAAAAA!" + Show Spoiler + XD Yeah, the mafia is definitely top tier...So top tier it has to be you! or it could be kory too just because.. | ||
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On July 04 2010 12:51 DarthThienAn wrote: lol you guys are too funny. lies! | ||
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just kidding.. or am I? | ||
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Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. He just had to be lazy and leave us to avoid his job...tis tis.. I told him to stick around.. Now someone else is going to have to dig up some bodies.. | ||
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On July 03 2010 01:55 Chezinu wrote: Chezinu's post: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 12:34 Chezinu wrote: I cannot believe that this town believes that my behavior is disruptive. You people hardly even know who I am. I have not even spoken a word. If silence causes chaos, then let my voice create order. To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira.. If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future. 1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing. 2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game. 3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. For 30% fun: Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet? + Show Spoiler + Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo? On July 01 2010 12:48 Chezinu wrote: You missed the key point. We should focus more on killing the Godfather than the pawns. With this thought, the idea of having lovers and mason roleclaim confirming each other could benefit the town and lead to a quick victory. Roleblocker can protect a lover from dying. Town has the advantage early game in this setup unlike other games. We must stop the mafia before their numbers out grow us! I think this is insightful information, perhaps in your eyes I am just stating the obvious. But new setups, one must state the obvious for the betterment of the town so that we can all work together with one mind. On July 01 2010 13:47 Chezinu wrote: we have no medics.. On July 01 2010 14:05 Chezinu wrote: As of right now Town has the advantage: Godfather: Recruited one person and doesn't know their role. Thus can't really coordinate. Traitor: Knows nothing. Recruit: Knows nothing. What we know as town: We have lovers... I did not intentionally fish Darth into revealing this information.. but know town knows! So if we have free masons then we know that it is possible that if lovers/masons confirm each other via role claim 4 proven innocents right off the bat. This reduces finding traitor,recruit, and GF to 3/16 chance. Only GF can fake claim lover/mason by confirming recruit and hoping that he plays along. To prevent this, true masons/lovers can pm each other to and post exact same time. If we want to make this move, we have to do it today while mafia numbers are low and lack communication/information. With Jailer/Roleblocker available we can extend the lives of lovers/masons. Having 4 confirm townies to start the game would only benefit the town. I would suggest masons to claim first. I can't see any fault with this plan. This plan will work if free masons exist. So if you are the masons please consider this plan. On July 01 2010 14:19 Chezinu wrote: I just realized that lovers/masons could possibly have blue roles.. That could make things more interesting.. On July 01 2010 14:22 Chezinu wrote: I would leave roleclaiming up to the masons to decide. They know what roles they have and have far greater knowledge than we do. I just want to make sure the masons know their options. On July 01 2010 14:41 Chezinu wrote: nope! His recruits will probably know since all recruits know each other. So they have to find a way to inform the GF if his plan failed. On July 01 2010 14:54 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I probably need to go to bed as well.. I might pop up again tonight because this game is addicting. + Show Spoiler + Just to mess with the mafia, because going to bed taunting mafia and messing with them is fun. What if they are lovers roleclaim masons? What if masons roleclaim lovers? hehe What if we have both masons and lovers and they both roleclaim "couples"? What if tomorrow two recruits roleclaim "couples" only to later be checked by a DT that causes them both to die? On July 02 2010 07:58 Chezinu wrote: Top suspects atm: ##mafia Korynee ##GF Yellowink -- was thinking but admitted accusing me was a cheap shot. So, I'm going to leave you alone for now. Top innocents: 1. Bill Murray I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking Kory was mafia before Bill started attacking her. I don't think Kory is the GF, but is more likely a recruit. Reasons: She is not male and therefore can't be godfather and she was active before the silence game. GF wouldn't want to risk having an inactive. Other biases, Kory has been attacking everything I say.. Bill on the other had has been flattering me, so obviously I'm going to side with Bill. Note: the only serious thing in this post - I agree with Bill Murray that Kory has been acting strange. But I doubt Kory is GF but more likely recruit. I think I'm going to go through the list of players now and try to find a good lynch candidate. On July 02 2010 08:03 Chezinu wrote: Wow, everyone seems to be on the same page as me this game. I post that we need to focus on GF at the same time other people do. I post mason plan though different same time as L. Now, someone posts that the likely-hood Bill and Kory are low and are going to look through the player list to find a GF candidate. Conclusion: either everyone became crazy like me which isn't true. Or I'm finally playing sane this game. On July 02 2010 08:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok just to note, Confirmed by mod: Browney can't be GF because he didn't have access to thread and we have lovers because he used to queen of hearts to pick Juliet and the queen of clubs for Romeo. I can't help but play with logistics.. At least kory isn't host, lol. On July 02 2010 08:41 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I still haven't narrow down the list yet for GF, I have to go soon and don't think I'll finish the list. So, I'm just going to state the obvious since it is a new setup. Almost Facts: 1. We have lovers 2. Browney is unlikely GF since he has no access to forum 3. If we have masons that claim and then lovers claim afterwards we would temporarily have 5 confirm innocents. If one would count oneself as innocent then finding traitor/recruit/GF from the remaining list would be 3/14 chance. If we take into consideration inactives that will be modkilled the chance of killing mafia would increase more. I've been busy, but here is my current list of potential lynch candidates for today: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban As for my plan about both masons claiming, followed by lovers claim (of course lovers could have claimed masons as well - and they could have claimed first to mess with the mafia etc..). It would reduce the above list narrowing down who the possible GF could be. By "rushing" the mafia, I meant that we snipe the GF as fast as possible before he could build up an army. We kill him now while there is no mafia coordination. Of course, rushing means that we may expose ourselves if we aren't successful. But we wouldn't expose ourselves too much since Jailer/roleblocker can cover our masons/lovers to reduce chances of losing them. One factor that I didn't initially think about is that a masons/lovers may have a special role, which in that case the non-special mason may be the only one willing to roleclaim. That's why I left the choice for the masons to decide for themselves. Updated Hit list: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. 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On July 05 2010 07:06 youngminii wrote: Okay seriously, what is wrong with you YI? Stop discussing anything to do with mason being fake. It's a terrible, terrible idea. So anyway, I'm serious about my Divinek vote. I'll requote it again for you guuuuuuuuuys. Also notice that Divinek is posting a lot less since my accusation. Could be real life stuff but who knows. I wouldn't go against Yellowink publicly.. Do you know what happened to the last guy who did? + Show Spoiler + He died.. | ||
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Plus, I wanted the masons to claim on Day 1. I had a faultless method - pm eachother/ get on IRC and roleclaim at the exact same time claiming eachother. If that isn't enough - you didn't even play with me in the melee game. You chose to play solo. | ||
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On July 04 2010 17:16 Chezinu wrote: Updated Hit list: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. 16. Abenson 19. rastaban | ||
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I really don't know anything. I just have guesses. All my theories could be wrong. Even the message that I could have possibly decoded. I still think the theory of Darth confirming that we have lovers since he admitted that he used the queen of hearts for Juliet is true though. But still! I'm just a fluffy brown creature.. I just want to be something greater than I really am. It is Day 2, mafia have communication at least in part. It is a time of chaos. We don't have many confirm innocents. People are losing focus on are main objective. We need to kill the Godfather. I would advise everyone to look back on the Day 1 posts. Look for the godfather and focus not on the goons. We must kill the Queen. We must find the source. I know some may argue that we need to treat the symptoms before we can get to the cure. But I tell you we must look for the cure and then the symptoms will cease! Let us set order to this chaos! It will not be easy. We will have to dig through old posts - something I myself I have not fully done. That is my weakness, I'm not as talented and hard-working as others here. But let my failures not stop you from finding the Godfather. Together we can win! But each of us must use their ability. If you are inactive, how can you contribute? Tell me, please tell me? Oh wait, you can't inform me because you are inactive.. I know that most of us are in a state of confusion. We must get through these dark times, by focusing on what is to come. We have an opportunity today to kill the Godfather! We still have a chance! Let us speak sanely and organize. Let new plans emerge! Blues don't follow the path that the our coroner took. He did not take my advice to stick around.. Listen to my advice blues! Live! Live until the time comes to kill the Godfather! For those of you who have a partner, much more will be expected of you. Make sure you communicate well and come up with plans that no one can ruin. To the scum, traitors, and the Godfather: Please, become divided and disorganized. Don't talk to each other. We will see how well that will be for you. Let the scum kill the Godfather. Let the Godfather lynch the traitor. Let the traitor kill both the scum and godfather out of ignorance. | ||
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Try finding the Godfather. The Godfather has two night lives so it is ok to hit him. Also try not to kill the people you think the godfather is trying to recruit... It makes the Godfather sad.. | ||
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oh and as for roleclaiming: + Show Spoiler + I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the this town's dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all roles are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Mafia the sons of former blues and the sons of former greens will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the red state, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my followers will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of blue, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little red roles and blue roles will be able to join hands with green roles and walk together as one. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote: Can't be bothered changing my vote. I believe you though. Why in the name of the Godfather wouldn't you change your vote? | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:59 Divinek wrote: looks like L is pretty fucked, hope he was the GF Well, the whole Day 1 post had a L theme to it. | ||
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On July 06 2010 11:12 rastaban wrote: Looks like we are losing L and bumatlarge, and tomorrow we find who they all were. Tomorrow is going to crazy important. Hi, my name is Chezinu. Who are you? | ||
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Dear recuits, Now you know who the GF is, good job. "We could talk freely... you wouldn't have to constantly worry about whether you think one person's mafia or another's a detective..." | ||
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On July 05 2010 09:54 Chezinu wrote: Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. 16. Abenson 19. rastaban Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. 16. Abenson 19. rastaban looks like we are on task.. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:33 Chezinu wrote: Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 8. citi.zen 9. 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. 19. rastaban looks like we are on task.. there happy? Oh, and I'm not playing meta or whatever that means. If you want proof, I can quote all my useful posts this game. Starting from reading Day 1 clues and finding the L theme and having Darth deny it thus confirming it. And having Darth admit use of queen of hearts for loves thus confirming. Then quoting the word citizens from the day 2 post and bolding it. I developed a mason plan the same time L did, but mine was cooler. I also posted obvious information the same time that citizen did. I tried making recruits think I'm the Godfather and I had dreams that lead to me having bombs which I already told you my plans/actions. Plus I just quoted an awesome quote from the last day post and made Darth go crazy since it is so relevant to what young is doing right now. I think I contributed a lot this game though to some it may not be obvious. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:10 DarthThienAn wrote: Nahh, it means you're finding "clues" in places where I was just making stories. A roleblocked GF does not recruit for that night. You see if you directly confront the host, he is willing to give you more information. See how he says, "Nahh, it means you're finding "clues" in places where I was just making stories." If he wasn't hiding anything why would he post this? logistics. It is a cheap way to play to some, but others it is the only way to play. Not that I'm an other or anything. + Show Spoiler + geez, am I trolling or am I half serious in what I'm saying? or a little bit of both. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:38 Bill Murray wrote: im not fucking red im going to get killed in the night 100% I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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Kill yourselves tonight. Trust me. Then the next day post a death post to throw people off. That is all. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:52 BrownBear wrote: BM and Chez = mafia dream team for eternity. I think we would fit better dieing together as lovers. lol. But seriously, that isn't a good team since he likes to go solo. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:57 BrownBear wrote: Nope, Day is always gonna be 48 hours. Some games play like that, but this isn't one of them. Also, I think BM would be a better roleblock target tonight than youngminii, simply because he's under a lot more suspicion currently. We can even keep him alive an extra day and roleblock him again if nobody dies tonight, thus saving us 2 nights of deaths. Either scum willingly gives up 2 nightkills just to kill BM (which I would be okay with) or we actually have caught scum. I see a win-win situation here... i think BrownBear would be a better target. | ||
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1. Chezinu 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 4. zeks 5. 6. Divinek 7. Bill Murray 8. citi.zen 10. DCLXVI 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm definitely town since I'm smiling. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:30 rastaban wrote: also, sorry if my previous post was confusing, I was trying to say that Young was most likely town since he didn't call for double lynch and not suggesting we should double lynch. Also for your list Chezinu, I believe zeks said Abenson was Townie so he should be green, not blue.... well unless lovers means blue in which case I should just shut up / I was thinking that someone would say that. I made secondary roles blue as well. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:48 Bill Murray wrote: thanks for confirming we have another jailer and that i am one gg you totally did it wrong. You set up the question that it was a simple yes or no answer. This tells us nothing. | ||
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On July 07 2010 14:03 DCLXVI wrote: hmm? I thought that BM meant that he started as a jailer, so the "other jailer" would have to be the dream catcher" same | ||
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On July 09 2010 16:06 Bill Murray wrote: swear-on-the-bible level I really hope your telling the truth now. + Show Spoiler + Now going for 1000 consecutive posts in TL Mafia - search function will only detect posts in TL mafia forum that are within the last 1000 posts. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 30 2010 08:56 rastaban wrote: My first time ever playing Mafia, thanks Darth for giving me the chance. I have read the rules and some previous games, so hopefully I don't screw my side up too much On June 30 2010 12:46 rastaban wrote: I couldn't tell from the rules, are we allowed to discuss now, or do we need to wait until day since it is night 0 ? On June 30 2010 12:54 rastaban wrote: Ok, here is what I have so far: Since the recruit hasn't happened yet the confirmed role tally should be Godfather 1 Mafia 0 Free Masons 2 Lovers 2 Pro-Town ~19 (possible traitors) On June 30 2010 23:27 rastaban wrote: You are mostly right Hesmyrr, but it is currently night 0, and the godfather is picking his scum. Our first vote will be day1 (the phase coming up) which at that point the godfather's choice is already in effect and there is 1 mafia member out there bringing anti-town up to 3. I don't think this invalidates your proposal of voting off in-actives but I think it does mean we can use interaction based analysis a day sooner. On June 30 2010 23:51 rastaban wrote: So unfortunately none of the other PR will go, but it should mean there is no kill either. On June 30 2010 23:52 rastaban wrote: oops ninja'd by bumatlarge. On June 30 2010 23:54 rastaban wrote: We can get information once in the game for everyone who has died up to that point, provided the coroner is in the game, not dead, and not recruited. but other than that you are right only role-claim and death proclaims otherwise (though neither are necessarily accurate. On July 01 2010 12:38 rastaban wrote: One thing to keep in mind, the roles were random so it is possible the godfather is a newer player and doesn't quite realize which posters are most valuable. Even then he can probably read previous games and realize who to target. Anyway I have a semblance of a plan. In this game the worst thing that can happen is to out a blue as not only can they be killed but they could also be recruited. Not all the blues are equal so here seems the be the priority Roleblocker Detective Jailkeeper Coroner Dream Catcher Veteran Mad Hatter I have the Roleblocker listed first because if he blocks even one mafia then they get no night kill. This gives a couple different options. First if we have a confirmed mafia then we can have him blocked which will shut down the mafia. Now the same person can't be blocked twice in a row but if we could find 2 mafia they could be locked down permanently while the rest are sought out. The best plan for the roleblocker is to start randomly blocking people and if we get a night where there is no kill then you can try again the in 2 nights and cut down mafia kills in half or reveal the culprit. Now this isn't 100% because a veteran and the godfather could be hit and cause this due to 2 lives. The jailkeeper can keep someone from being recruited, the powerful part of this is that it can be used on the same person multiple times. Assuming that person wasn't recruited this turn (18/20 chance) then if they are continually jailed you actually have someone that you know isn't recruited. One of the good players above would probably be best, though risky since they have a higher chance of a night 0 recruit. Last thought Bill Murray put up an excellent list, while I don't think he is scum, since they can't directly communicate with the godfather it would be an excellent way to try and suggest some targets for him. Just something to keep in mind On July 01 2010 12:40 rastaban wrote: Wow, I started my post and when done there was already a whole page of posts, going back through. On July 01 2010 13:23 rastaban wrote: Korynne, your right about GF and I think role blocker as an additional lynch would be worth it. The role counts were not random and I think role blocker and and DT nearly have to exist to make it balanced. There is some people calling out for L as a leader so I have an idea and wanted to see if any one saw some glaring holes. We could request the DT and the Role Blocker both target him. If he is mafia or recruited then there would be no night kill so we could lynch him the next day. If he is gf then the hit goes through but now the DT knows who he is and it would be worth role-claiming to eliminate the GF If he is townie then the enemies hit goes through but we have a confirmed townie to lead us, then the jailer keeps him on lock down so he isn't recruited The flaw I see with this is that the Mafia could just kill him as their hit, though that might be too obvious The second option would be to jail rather than DT him (in conjunction with roleblock since it still goes through) The difference is that in this case the vulnerability is that if he is GF instead we won't know but since he role blocked he wouldn't get a recruit that night. though at that point we would need to decide if we wont to keep him jailed or try a DT sometime to confirm he is not mafia On July 01 2010 13:34 rastaban wrote: I would say the the certainty of there being a role-blocker is very nearly 100%, The only thing I worry about is that we have no way of knowing if he is recruited or not so we don't know when this plan becomes ineffective. I am all for starting with it since the chances are good, and even if there is a mistake we have to reevaluate people anyway. We just have to have a plan on when the risk stops being worth it since they could be recruited. On July 01 2010 13:40 rastaban wrote: But we are not "only" killing townies, the person is someone that normally would have been lynched instead so it is someone that is at least suspected mafia. It should have a success rate of finding mafia = to lynching with less townie deaths On July 01 2010 13:47 rastaban wrote: Great post, I think this is a good idea. Since we are forced to lynch every day we can combine the 2 methods, Lynch the inactives while RBing the top players. One thing to note, there is no medic in this game. We could have a jailer, who does much the same but also blocks recruiting and other abilities. On July 01 2010 13:54 rastaban wrote: Since we have to lynch, it won't slow down the game but it will allow us to check 2 people a night On July 01 2010 14:02 rastaban wrote: Thanks, thats what I meant but didn't say. oops. On July 01 2010 14:07 rastaban wrote: Not sure I agree with the roleblock part being a bad idea. The only negative combo is blocking the DT for 1 night. The jailkeeper being RBed 1 night would be annoying but isn't critical since he would be guessing at first on who to protect. The veteran, lovers, masons, coroner etc.. wouldn't really matter losing 1 night of powers or am I missing something? On July 01 2010 14:12 rastaban wrote: It is pretty much confirmed that there is 1 lover and 1 mason pair, at least in my mind. On July 01 2010 14:27 rastaban wrote: Headed to bed will be back early tomorrow to catch up on what has happened. Right now I think the best chance for the town is to follow the following 3 plans that were proposed 1. The 1 Mason reveal and jailkeeper protects, 2. Role block the better players in synch (Maybe DT them as well to grab the godfather since if he is a good player we could be in bad shape.) My vote is for starting with L 3. Lynch the inactive/quites ElyAs has yet to post, get talking! Night all! On July 01 2010 14:35 rastaban wrote: As an example, if we agree to roleblock L, the worse that could happen is that he is DT or Jailer, all the other roles are nearly unaffected. But this means that tomorrow we have a confirmed townie who is innocent and a good player. The second thing it does is force the GF to start recruiting less obvious players since the prominent ones will be detected so quickly. It is worth risking losing 1 DT check (on a 1/20 chance) to gain that knowledge. We don't have to continually do them, but for the first few turns it would be very stong. Ok, now really off to bed On July 02 2010 00:00 rastaban wrote: You make some valid points lakrimossa but 2 of them are not. Since townies can't PM this game (unless you are the mason / lover pair) there is no way to roleclaim to the a Mason without making it public which means the jailkeeper would die that night. He us adding in the fact that the jailer would have to cover the mason. Who ever the jailer protects can't be recruited (though the percent should probably be lower since if he protects the GF or either mason it doesn't add the third safe option) making 3 people a night unrecruitable. On July 02 2010 00:02 rastaban wrote: The second paragraph should start with *He is adding On July 02 2010 02:09 rastaban wrote: I agree with this but I don't think that this is separate from blocking the top players. My reasoning is this if I was the GF I would target a top player first since even if I lose that player I can then recruit another, no big loss. Unless we are getting some major scum tells from someone then the top player most likely is the scum, especially since they could conceivably hide it better. I guess what I am saying is that while we shouldn't just target top players, that at least here on day 1 they are probably our must likely scum and it is better than choosing someone at random. one other thing, I don't know that we should go with voting plan on the DTs, they should use their own intuition or go with the list method proposed. Voting could be swayed more by the mafia (though since they don't know the GF this may be irrelevant). Actually I take that back, having people vote on the DT regardless of if he follows it or not would give us more chances to catch cuplrits if we notice patterns in how they choose who he votes for. On July 02 2010 02:18 rastaban wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2010 02:04 lakrismamma wrote: You are right about the first thing. My bad. This makes everything harder and more useless to have a mason claim. The second thing you are wrong about. Its still 2/19 for the masons the overlap is counted when you add the two possibilities together. Well if you are town then you would not play your own meta game but concentrate on getting the mafia.. You have not responded to any of my accusations either. hmmm.... maybe he is referring to the fact that since 1 person is already recruited there now only 18 possibilities? The jailer though only can't choose himself and can pick the mafia or GF which is why he is at 1/19. Being a new player my analytical skills are abysmal (I tried guessing on the harry potter game before reading the results to that point and all but 1 of my conclusions had so far been wrong.) so I am trying the straight logical approach for now and that part of YI seems fairly sound. Well I will stop defending him now because if he turns out scum I don't want my head on the line. o.O On July 02 2010 03:33 rastaban wrote: It should work even if the DT doesn't follow it, since we will still benefit from the discussion of who could be GF and he will still have a list compiled. If the RB doesn't follow it then yes, there will be problems. On July 02 2010 04:28 rastaban wrote: ##GF : Bill Murray ##mafia : Korynne This way we cover both players, and if indeed Korynne is godfather she wouldn't get a chance to recruit tonight. On July 02 2010 10:35 rastaban wrote: For the 1st one it does not block the KP if they are blocked on the night they are recruited, (mod stated this a few pages back) so jailing them as well may be required. On July 02 2010 10:36 rastaban wrote: I don't know about the second one, don't kills usually resolve last? so I would think yes. On July 02 2010 10:37 rastaban wrote: And that was meant for DTA to answer, so i will just shut up now o.O On July 02 2010 12:21 rastaban wrote: 1&2 combined, 3 is too hard to get a read on right now. Divinek is currently the least active person (baring browneY) He said he was working all day and that he is going to post soon. That was about 3 hours ago. On July 02 2010 12:25 rastaban wrote: abenson has been inactive as well his excuse is canada day. If someone could contact the queen and verify he was there, then maybe we can classify it as a legit excuse On July 02 2010 12:29 rastaban wrote: Headed to bed, put my vote on Divinek until we get some actual content from him. I will re-assess in the morning. On July 02 2010 23:06 rastaban wrote: Though my vote on abenson because I want to hear more from him, but also because it looks like Elyas is up to 5 votes now, and I don't want to get too many votes on him until we are sure thats the direction we want to go. On July 02 2010 23:06 rastaban wrote: *through I need to proofread more. On July 02 2010 23:20 rastaban wrote: I think there is good reason to suspect YI, maybe we roleblock him... On July 02 2010 23:33 rastaban wrote: He hasn't posted anything yet, and we haven't heard from the Mod (like we did with browney) so we should probably lynch him, though if we don't he will probably get modkilled since he isn't just being quiet, he hasn't said anything at all. If we lynch someone who would be mod killed for not voting, does the modkill go through first and 2nd most voted person dies or does he die and get mod killed at the same time? On July 03 2010 01:33 rastaban wrote: Darth, if we lynch a no voter, do they get modkilled, if so is it before or after the lynch? Just wondering if instead the person with the second most votes would be killed. Thanks (I mentioned this before but didn't include your name). On July 03 2010 02:20 rastaban wrote: The reason that Detective and Coroner are both listed where they are is that there actions happen even if they get recruited or killed that night. The results just comeback when the night ends. So if the DT gets killed but he investigated the GF that night, he would still know who the GF was and could finger him with his death claim. At least this is how I understand it to work. On July 03 2010 02:51 rastaban wrote: also the mafia can kill, not just recruit. So now they kill the coroner and recruit the jailer, who does dream catcher get? say he gets jailer so we lynch jailer. the second night the new jailer gets killed and the roleblocker recruited. We just traded 5 blues for 1 mafia this is not a valid plan. On July 03 2010 02:54 rastaban wrote: that was in response to A5Js idea but I got majorly ninja'd On July 03 2010 02:57 rastaban wrote: We really have to catch the GF though, even if we could lynch the new mafia 100% every day we would still lose since wouldn't ever catch the GF. Until he is dead killing mafia only delays the inevitable.the weird thing is that if we knew we had a mafia we would be better off roleblocking them and randomly lynching someone else since it would give us better odds on the GF. On July 03 2010 04:12 rastaban wrote: The problem with roleblocking the GF is that while it would be very productive, we have no way of knowing if it worked. Thats why the DT should consider getting a read on them even if the night kill isn't blocked. On July 03 2010 08:49 rastaban wrote: I don't care who we lynch but I think we should try and get the roleblocker to block YI. There are so many questionable posts from him that I think we need to know his alignment and that he is not mafia. Here is my case + Show Spoiler + Well, I wasn't recruited, and Chezinu is still the godfather. Lets get this party started. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here. Yo, obviously (lol) not scum here. Here I present 3 denials from him that he is scum, one did come after BM made an accusation, but it strikes me as odd, no one else has tried to drop so many townie declarations. + Show Spoiler + If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Hey Godfather. How about you just give yourself up? That'll give this game 19 winners. Take one for the team. Here we have to 'Boast' posts if he is indeed scum. Of course saying you posts are scummy if you were scum is a logical fallacy, but I think they do weigh more scummy than most posts so far + Show Spoiler + If you read through the games I've played here (this is the fourth), you will find I have opened each game differently. This is for a few reasons which I might discuss in a general mafia thread, but it is primarily to make me unreadable. Here we have an explanation for the actions, that every game is played differently the problem is that as we are town it makes it hard for us to get a read on him which makes it slightly anti-town play. This doesn't mean he is scum but it gives him an answer for anything we accuse him of since there is no baseline + Show Spoiler + zeks = silent -> claiming mason supposedly forcing us to L's plan? I don't buy it. This here was so scummy that it almost clears him as scum probably wouldn't do that. I think he really just hadn't thought it out and was afraid we took it to easily at face value. As such I think a lynch would be a terrible choice on him, but I think that with this many items we should really go with roleblock. On July 03 2010 08:49 rastaban wrote: As such I would like to vote YellowInk for roleblock night 1 ##Vote YellowInk On July 03 2010 09:01 rastaban wrote: We are already at 17 townies 2 mafia and a traitor so even if we lynch someone who would be modkilled it will start as 15 townies 3 mafia and a traitor (without a roleblock or other contingency hapening) On July 03 2010 09:25 rastaban wrote: Well if we are going for inactives, maybe we should be hanging L instead. The other option is lynch you and then have you play as Elyas :D ok maybe not and I don't know if that would be allowed but it is an idea. On July 03 2010 09:55 rastaban wrote: L is the GF so it is ok Hey, I can wish can't I. Darth, are we allowed to post during the night cycles? On July 03 2010 10:03 rastaban wrote: Thanks for the <3 L, I take back that part about you being GF. On July 03 2010 10:09 rastaban wrote: On July 03 2010 09:18 youngminii wrote: citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. On July 03 2010 10:13 rastaban wrote: What about for lynch, Abenson is getting close to lynch, and I don't think we have any eveidence to support that since he has started speaking up. On July 03 2010 10:20 rastaban wrote: He seems to be acting town townie though, not a hint of a role claim and no real defense. Mafia or GF would probably fight harder, to me he seems like a disinterested townie without a role. On July 03 2010 10:29 rastaban wrote: you are probably right, and most of the votes for Elyas aren't from people on right now so too late to do anything. On July 03 2010 10:31 rastaban wrote: we lose the benefit knowing who was and wasn't scum that night. How do you see the mafia abusing the method of us RBing someone specific? On July 03 2010 10:44 rastaban wrote: our 3rd day lynch for 2 mafia KP is worth it because we will also get to lynches in between to target the GF, that is something the mafia can't wait for. On July 03 2010 10:53 rastaban wrote: Worse case scenario goes like this now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose, I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important. Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there. On July 03 2010 10:57 rastaban wrote: With so many people unable to vote on Ls new plan I say we go with the old and then modify it for night 2 if needed. Final tally was by my count: citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. On July 03 2010 11:02 rastaban wrote: yeah, but we would be at 9/6 at worst and I think 9/5 is more likely. On July 03 2010 11:04 rastaban wrote: You are right, so I guess I would say if the RB has to leave before it is resolved go with this plan. Otherwise, wait it out until we are sure on what is the best plan. On July 03 2010 11:14 rastaban wrote: Going to watch the Day[9] daily I missed earlier this week, check back in an hour. On July 03 2010 11:28 rastaban wrote: ok, I was thinking (dangerous I know), and I think I found a big problem with the 3 pick plan. We are forecasting our move. If I was mafia I would love that, because the only way it would work is if one of the three was the day 1 pick. Worse yet, we wouldn't know which it was till day 3. so we are trading 3 nights of RB for at most 1 mafia. As the GF, I know that I can recruit anyone besides those 3 players for the next 3 nights and they definitely won't be role blocked. We are kind of saying, hey GF these three players you can't recruit, but feel free to grab anyone else. I might be missing something, but it just seems to useful for the mafia to know that far in advance who we are after. With the first plan we are telegraphing our move, but only 1 day in advance and we know the result the next day. They won't know who our day 2 pick is going to be so they can't be certain it isn't one of the 2 mafia members they chose. sorry, thought of this as I went for my day[9] snack and decided to post it to see if I was off track on this. On July 03 2010 12:39 rastaban wrote: lets hope that both lovers are mafia when they go down Headed to be night all, catch up 2morrow. On July 04 2010 02:54 rastaban wrote: going to be installing windows 7 over my XP machine so off-line for a while today. since it is night and there isn't really too much to do it shouldn't matter(too much). On July 05 2010 02:40 rastaban wrote: Yay installation completed. Wow, sucks to have loss the coroner. This and luck seems to be the only real choices we have. Keep in mid though we can double lynch if needed. I had forgot the GF has to lives so hoping the mafia kill him isn't going to be helpful. The one defense I see against the mafia claiming to be DT is that they don't know who the GF is. they could be giving us the GF without realizing it. And I doubt the GF would attempt that since he would be targeted by the real DT the next night for sure. On July 05 2010 15:28 rastaban wrote: Sorry I was so inactive today, (was at 4th of july celebration) I am headed to bed, I have read through the posts but will do so again and write up my thoughts as I am off tomorrow from work. On July 06 2010 05:28 rastaban wrote: Trying to be objective here, this is what I see as pro/cons with the role claim. This is working on the assumption of 1 of each role, there could be more or less but I will take it as an average. of the 20 people we have 9 roles (2 anti-town) we also have 4 mason/lovers that may or may not overlap. if we do role claims we can expect ~11 townies and 7 blue roles when claiming. PROs - Mafia will be forced to blend and decide what roles to use, will probably need to claim later so as not draw attention to themselves. Will allow us to better direct blue roles Cons - Blues killed, blues recruited, some characters made useless (veteran and mad hatter to a degree), no way to confirm roles It is a risky play. If we net the GF first round then it would be worth it, but we don't have that assurance making this a big risk/reward play. I am a new player, but in this style of game no one has much experience. This makes it difficult because we can't look back and say well roleclaiming day 2 has been successful or failed. This applies to all of our plans. I think the big thing is to decide if a plan is useful or not. Currently due to the confusion the only real plan that is in use is the 1 mason roleclaim. The reason that worked is only 1 person (the mason) had to be on board for it to work. The issue with plans comes back again to not having a definitive way of deciding if a plan is good or bad. This is equally true of the mafia, which is why it is hard to find scum tells since they don't know if the plan is good for them or not. The GF doesn't know which is better either or which will make him less likely to be caught. Right now if we lynch 1 tonight and 2 the next 2 nights we have just over 1/3 chances of getting the GF. Now besides that we also have the blues, which means that a lot of the game is up to chance. If a plan doesn't give us better odds or more information than no plan then it is obviously a bad plan. Looking at the role claim Idea, it hurts the odds, but gives us more information. Since we can't verify that information, I have to think that it isn't worth the cost. On July 06 2010 07:02 rastaban wrote: I agree with waiting, though I will leave it up to more experienced minds on if we should role claim tomorrow. On July 06 2010 11:12 rastaban wrote: Looks like we are losing L and bumatlarge, and tomorrow we find who they all were. Tomorrow is going to crazy important. On July 06 2010 12:20 rastaban wrote: Divinek, did you start as coroner, or were you as dream catcher? Just trying to see if we can confirm that there is at least 1 role that we have doubles of. I had thought it was likely we only had 1 of each, if not then this is really good news for town. Thanks! On July 06 2010 12:39 rastaban wrote: Thanks,that is interesting I wonder what if any other double roles we have.... On July 06 2010 23:41 rastaban wrote: With mass roleclaim and coroner info tomorrow it will be the big day, I assume it is ok to go ahead and vote for double lynch. On July 07 2010 07:32 rastaban wrote: I kind of like the role claim plan, it seems that we are enter a do or die situation and this may be our last chance. If we don't get the GF or are very lucky with lynchs/blocks I don't see how we can fix things after tomorrow night. Of course I am a new player and may be missing something, don't you think it needs done before it is too late? On July 07 2010 11:22 rastaban wrote: Dead traitor is such great town news, 2 for 1 is spectacular On July 07 2010 13:07 rastaban wrote: I just wanted to point out I think this post lends credibility to youngminii's claim. 1. He hasn't been called on being the DT yet (except by the person he pointed out and that was obviously a false claim) The only way I see this working correctly is if he was the DT and was recruited last night since he would know it was unlikely to be a counter claim. 2. In this post he doesn't push for a double lynch. I think the mafia would need to utilize this play to force a double lynch to make it viable. Without it they are sacrificing 2 mafia for little gain. Would it make sense for us to ask if there are any other coroners, even if unlikely, that they pop tonight? On July 07 2010 13:30 rastaban wrote: also, sorry if my previous post was confusing, I was trying to say that Young was most likely town since he didn't call for double lynch and not suggesting we should double lynch. Also for your list Chezinu, I believe zeks said Abenson was Townie so he should be green, not blue.... well unless lovers means blue in which case I should just shut up / On July 07 2010 13:36 rastaban wrote: Grrr, Now I am posting ridiculous things as well. I think that means I need to head to bed. sorry Zeks my apologies! You are the mason, I had you confused with Divinek the lover who claimed and said Abenson was the other part of the pair. On July 08 2010 14:15 rastaban wrote: Sorry to hear that BB, can't you just reserve a copy and get in? If not I might have an extra key if I can find my receipt. On July 08 2010 14:16 rastaban wrote: anyway I have been following the discussions but don't know what would be helpful to contribute until tomorrow when we get some results. On July 09 2010 12:11 rastaban wrote: I have been following this, but didn't have really anything to add. | ||
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On July 10 2010 05:03 Bill Murray wrote: smiley, more proof that BM is town. Possible early recruit: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 5. BloodyC0bbler 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban subject 2: Tick Tock. subject 3: town leader. If mafia, would probably play pro-town while coming up with plans to win in secret. subject 5: inactive early game. Why would you recruit an inactive if there is a possible modkill? subject 18: code much? subject 19: new player. Hopes he doesn't mess up his team. | ||
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On July 11 2010 5:00 Chezinu wrote: Quoting: if the person your quoting is dead and the thread is big, you could basically write whatever you want inside the quote and hope no one ever looks it up. | ||
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On July 10 2010 18:47 Chezinu wrote: I think the other mason should claim to confirm my decoding ability and to narrow down our suspect list. by sayinf "our suspect list" you confirmed there is more than one mafia member left. | ||
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On July 10 2010 18:51 Bill Murray wrote: you said it was a5j, but i'm assuming you are it and are asking for a claim as to derail suspicion from yourself in that regard. i don't really think that it is important, but it couldn't really hurt/help much right now. i doubt a mason would be killed over a jailkeeper or a detective that are out in the open, so it would probably be safe for zeks to tell us or for them to say so. i don't care either way. them being the other mason is NOT confirmable, is it? they could have been recruited+roleblocked. It is confirmable, have both masons post at the exact same time displaying the exact same message. | ||
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Sometimes it seems people don't get my hints, but I guess you can read them! I never directly said it but I claim it by making his name blue in one of my lists. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:59 Chezinu wrote: there happy? Oh, and I'm not playing meta or whatever that means. If you want proof, I can quote all my useful posts this game. Starting from reading Day 1 clues and finding the L theme and having Darth deny it thus confirming it. And having Darth admit use of queen of hearts for loves thus confirming. Then quoting the word citizens from the day 2 post and bolding it. I developed a mason plan the same time L did, but mine was cooler. I also posted obvious information the same time that citizen did. I tried making recruits think I'm the Godfather and I had dreams that lead to me having bombs which I already told you my plans/actions. Plus I just quoted an awesome quote from the last day post and made Darth go crazy since it is so relevant to what young is doing right now. I think I contributed a lot this game though to some it may not be obvious. Read what I had to say if you want. | ||
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On July 10 2010 19:39 YellowInk wrote: Are you asking to get lynched? Early game you supported stating the obvious. I supported stating the obvious this game since it was a new setup - I made this known earlier in the thread.You two (mostly BM) need to stop spamming obvious and commonly known info. You are encouraging the remainder of the town to be inactive. This makes it difficult to find scum. | ||
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2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban To get to this list, I took out zeks since he roleclaimed and took A5J after "decoding" - if it is right - the code. Plus, it would be crazy if zeks was the GF. Now, I'm going to try and get him to confirm being mason along with his partner to see if he isn't a goon. To not make it too obvious that I was thinking A5J was the other mason I decided to take out names that I didn't think would be GF as well. Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 19. rastaban Divinek claimed lover and coroner- GF wouldn't do this: Updated Hit list: 3. YellowInk 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 15. lakrismamma 19. rastaban | ||
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On July 10 2010 05:29 Chezinu wrote: smiley, more proof that BM is town. Possible early recruit: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 5. BloodyC0bbler 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban subject 2: Tick Tock. subject 3: town leader. If mafia, would probably play pro-town while coming up with plans to win in secret. subject 5: inactive early game. Why would you recruit an inactive if there is a possible modkill? subject 18: code much? subject 19: new player. Hopes he doesn't mess up his team. But no need to look at that list anymore, that was for the GF. Now we need to find the recruits. This list is only for the early recruit. | ||
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On July 03 2010 04:00 Chezinu wrote: zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me BrowneY- obv reasons Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch". I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs. reasons for first list I made for GF potentials | ||
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On July 05 2010 19:56 Chezinu wrote: OK, the truth.. I really don't know anything. I just have guesses. All my theories could be wrong. Even the message that I could have possibly decoded. I still think the theory of Darth confirming that we have lovers since he admitted that he used the queen of hearts for Juliet is true though. But still! I'm just a fluffy brown creature.. I just want to be something greater than I really am. It is Day 2, mafia have communication at least in part. It is a time of chaos. We don't have many confirm innocents. People are losing focus on are main objective. We need to kill the Godfather. I would advise everyone to look back on the Day 1 posts. Look for the godfather and focus not on the goons. We must kill the Queen. We must find the source. I know some may argue that we need to treat the symptoms before we can get to the cure. But I tell you we must look for the cure and then the symptoms will cease! Let us set order to this chaos! It will not be easy. We will have to dig through old posts - something I myself I have not fully done. That is my weakness, I'm not as talented and hard-working as others here. But let my failures not stop you from finding the Godfather. Together we can win! But each of us must use their ability. If you are inactive, how can you contribute? Tell me, please tell me? Oh wait, you can't inform me because you are inactive.. I know that most of us are in a state of confusion. We must get through these dark times, by focusing on what is to come. We have an opportunity today to kill the Godfather! We still have a chance! Let us speak sanely and organize. Let new plans emerge! Blues don't follow the path that the our coroner took. He did not take my advice to stick around.. Listen to my advice blues! Live! Live until the time comes to kill the Godfather! For those of you who have a partner, much more will be expected of you. Make sure you communicate well and come up with plans that no one can ruin. To the scum, traitors, and the Godfather: Please, become divided and disorganized. Don't talk to each other. We will see how well that will be for you. Let the scum kill the Godfather. Let the Godfather lynch the traitor. Let the traitor kill both the scum and godfather out of ignorance. Celebrating victory before it happens is so scummy, hehe. But let us reflect. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 27 2010 04:59 zeks wrote: sign me up i just died in the HP game On July 01 2010 03:04 zeks wrote: Who's to say the GF doesn't know who's a good player already? Most of the players this game has played before so theres a good chance the GF is someone who is familiar with most of the players this game. So are we shooting for the inactives again? And does day start once GF picks his target? On July 02 2010 11:33 zeks wrote: I'm for L's plan. It essentially parallels a set up with a townie mayor. "Play smart, be active" easier said than done - on both accounts. Going out for Canada Day celebrations. Will cast my vote for Korynne. It was between YI or her but I'll give YI a chance cause if he's green then he "can" be a great asset for the town. Up to this point I feel like they've been trying to divide the town more than bring people together. Apologies for last of activity, Canada Day weekend - going out really soon! Just wanted to cast my vote before I left. Let's get L's plan rolling after first lynch. PS. I am an integral part in that plan so you don't want to lynch me first night. I hope I don't die like I did in HP mafia when I was gone a couple hours and suddenly everyone stacked on me for no reason. Serious. I'm more important this game than the other ones. On July 02 2010 11:58 zeks wrote: wow the reception was awesome! Sorry for mindfucking you all for 10 mins rofl Yes I'm one of the Masons. For better or for worse god picked me to be the Mason and the other mason and I agreed that I'd come out and roleclaim. Now I'm going out for real now, no more posting for the night, play on, speculate if you will. I'll read through all this in the morning. On July 02 2010 23:13 zeks wrote: Sounds like a good idea, I would've just thought to use my death post to confirm my mason partner. I claimed because my mason and I thought it was a good plan to go with and I was actually going to claim after the lynch but then my little debacle made people go wonkers so I ended up claiming this day. YI you make things so much more complicated than they really are. With only 2 mafia is one really gonna go high profile like this. Stop being so paranoid. Now the plan gets rolling and you're effectively trying to create doubts in the jailkeeper from jailing me. I'm voting YI. Even if he's town I'd rather have him gone now then have him derail our plans everytime. Sure its justified to be suspicious but this is just fucking ridiculous. On July 05 2010 07:28 zeks wrote: the key: g6<9<<x?N.n<?C= Whoever suggested it thanks, saves me a death post. On July 05 2010 07:29 zeks wrote: ^ i mean thats the encrypted message the mason has the key he'll then post the key and you guys can go to the site, type the message and the key in and decrypt his name. On July 05 2010 08:54 zeks wrote: what the fuck are you serious On July 05 2010 09:05 zeks wrote: Free Mason There are two of you. You have the ability to PM each other. You may not be recruited as mafia, but will be notified if someone tries to recruit you. If a Free Mason is roleblocked and recruited by the Godfather on the same night, he/she will become a member of the mafia, but will still be able to PM his fellow Free Mason. Theres only two in the game. Unless this is some super hidden setup where we don't know what exists like your game BM. I honestly dont know any other safer way to do the message thingy, I was gonna do a death post for my mason partner anyways. If you have a safer way to encrypt a message by all means please tell me. Why the fuck is the question of me being mason the focal point still? This is a ridiculous gambit for mafia to employ with heavy repercussions if it fails. Seriously you'd need both masons to be retards to not call me out now... look at this game: 1. Chezinu 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 4. zeks 5. Thegilaboy 6. Divinek 7. Bill Murray 8. citi.zen 9. L 10. DCLXVI 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 17. ElyAs 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban 20. BrowneY I'm sure 99% of this list (if they were actually mason) they'd call me out on it. What reasons would the real masons have to not reveal themselves as the real masons? None. On July 05 2010 09:13 zeks wrote: i think chezinu is bluffing theres no way you can decrypt it without the key theres a mathematical algorithm that goes along with encrypting it plus the key is case sensitive ... how the fuck would u have done it in such a short period of time (unless ur some genius underground russian CS wizard, or you hired R1CH) what was the point of that post chez ? On July 07 2010 07:47 zeks wrote: All or nothing. Lets roleclaim. Force the issue on the mafia. I am still wondering why we didn't name claim earlier in HP mafia. fuck On July 07 2010 08:32 zeks wrote: I want to mention that in a mass roleclaim it pretty much opens up our roles to the mafia and they can sort of narrow down what group of people not to hit - incase they hit their own GF. Remember the normal goons are expendable but the GF is not. Of course the goons don't want to wrongly hit their boss or they'll have no chance of winning... On July 07 2010 08:35 zeks wrote: Essentially its a double edged sword and we're also banking on nailing scum early cause if we miss we're in pretty horrible shape with mafia numbers ++ and our roles being revealed something to think about On July 07 2010 08:39 zeks wrote: thats y im still for this rc thing lets start getting rid of some of these "all-stars" On July 07 2010 13:31 zeks wrote: ^ wtf when did I even talk about Abenson quote me on it Why are we unvoting double lynch everyone vote double lynch please kthx On July 07 2010 13:37 zeks wrote: well if BM is the jailer he can't jail himself anyway On July 07 2010 13:42 zeks wrote: i trust youngminii and lynch on citi.zen its a 100% flip wtf if he lies we use a double lynch on him but i dont see why he'd lie if youngminii is a recruit why would he stick his boss out thats retarded there is no rationale of leaving a GF alive then we'll double lynch both YI and BM and we'll have peace On July 07 2010 14:01 zeks wrote: lol i was just reading into that indeed he had only 1 action if he was the dream catcher On July 07 2010 14:04 zeks wrote: citi.zen must be gf desperate but pathetic attempt to save him from BM - knew if GF died it'd be over On July 08 2010 21:02 zeks wrote: lol...i think BM already lost track of what he is On July 09 2010 20:20 zeks wrote: ^ if he's truely town mafia would leave him alive to screw with us if he's mafia of course he'd be alive so regardless i dont see BM dying anytime soon unless it was from a bomber or lynch i say leave BM open we have more important people to keep alive On July 09 2010 20:22 zeks wrote: oops my post above was replying to abenson | ||
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On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote: Roles This is an semi-open setup. Roles will be disclosed, but role counts will not. Read this section carefully, as the roles may be different from what you are familiar with. | ||
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On July 05 2010 09:17 youngminii wrote: Depends on the key. Is it TEA? I was actually thinking of writing a small program to try brute force to decrypt it, using numbers and words from the dictionary. Either way, Chez's post seems very suspicious. | ||
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On July 10 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote: Hey guys. =X My bad. Forgot, time zones and all. Uhh. Abenson is now dead Divinek is now dead Day 4 gogo July 12 - July 10 = two days... I guess so, can you tally votes for us, I'm too tired. | ||
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On July 12 2010 10:32 zeks wrote: Did citi.zen claim DT after check or before check? I don't remember...if before check then its reasonable youngminii would check him I'm not doing this (revealing my partner) cause you threatened to try to get me lynched BM but tbh I think this is for the greater good. I've PMed my mason partner a couple of times but he hasn't replied (nor has he posted for a while i think) and I've respected his decision to not claim but with most of our roles wide open now this isn't that bad of an idea. To no surprise the other mason is AcrossFiveJulys g6<9<<x?N.n<?C= http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/encrypter/ Decrypted with the key: "coffeeortea" Too bad A5J is going to get modkilled. Looks like we can't confirm you. | ||
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On July 10 2010 19:51 Chezinu wrote: But no need to look at that list anymore, that was for the GF. Now we need to find the recruits. This list is only for the early recruit. Hit List Updated: 2. 3. 5. BloodyC0bbler 18. 19. rastaban You guys are really good at this game. You are doing great! | ||
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On July 12 2010 11:16 YellowInk wrote: Townie Umm, I have evidence to suggest that you are wrong. | ||
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Young checks Bill I bomb a mystery person! also we have blue every single type of blue claim except for Veteran | ||
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Try and kill the other lovers. there are four queens in a deck. | ||
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On July 03 2010 13:21 bumatlarge wrote: And to those reading this who are traitor, go modkill yourself please we hate oy already bitch. gtfo. its like he knew.. On July 04 2010 15:39 bumatlarge wrote: Ah dern it Chez could say I AM THE GF and some people still wouldnt lynch him. Oh look he was right again! | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: To be fair, I was caught mroe from a narrowed down list, over insane reading ability This one? On July 12 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote: Hit List Updated: 2. 3. 5. BloodyC0bbler 18. 19. rastaban You guys are really good at this game. You are doing great! | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yeah, when you guys offed citizen, I knew I was completely screwed. Basically I knew as of the moment I was recruited that I would be alone after the following lynch. Knowing it was impossible to win, I was hoping to kill as many people while ducking the radar as much as possible. I figure offing two lovers, managing to appear legit, and get another townie offed was pretty solid. Combine the modkill with the extra kill from a bomb, and i feel like that a pretty impressive death list. I aimed at chez last night because of his hatter claim (i knew I was dead come morning anyway) and in pm told darth I was sure chez was vet, but was taking the chance to potentially drop the town down to like, 4-5 players and have bragging rights for being awesome I actually missed the chance to switch my bomb to ras. I had it on zeks. I said earlier I thought that this was a mistake, fortunately I didn't get hit that night. So did Bill protect me? | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: all i know is one recruit was blocked so he was either roleblocked by korynne or he tried to snag hesmyrr or a recruit killed a possible recruitee or there was an attempt to recruit a mason? | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: who was your other bomb on? zeks and who? citi.zen but he got lynch = bomb goes bye bye | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: harsh, shame you got blocked, I would have gotten the count of dead townies i wanted =( Was thinking of putting the bomb on you, but decided not to since they were checking you. | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:07 DarthThienAn wrote: I'll do roles and all that in like 20ish hours. oh missed this at first. Well, I'm going to go to bed then. | ||
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On July 14 2010 01:15 bumatlarge wrote: lol GG... You totally called so many things and didn't know it! | ||
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On July 14 2010 08:52 DarthThienAn wrote: yea, typo, just fixed it. Also, I'll vouch for Chez's "decoding" zeks thing. Here was the pm: + Show Spoiler + From: DarthThienAn [ 1702 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: For post-game Date: 7/5/10 09:35 lol, okay. ^^. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: When I said I "think" I cracked the code. It is really just a big guess. I noticed that the code had 15 characters so I decided to play hangman. First thing I decided to do was assume that he was naming his partner for his death post. so, I was like who have a name 15 characters long --> AcrossFiveJulys So that was my guess, whether it is right.. I have no idea, lol! g6<9<<x?N.n<?C= -> AcrossFiveJulys Also, proof roleclaiming helps: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2010 13:11 Chezinu wrote: Player List Based on people's roleclaims and people's reaction (this does not necessarily represent my opinion unless it is 100% correct): 1. Chezinu 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 4. zeks 5. 6. Divinek 7. Bill Murray 8. citi.zen 10. DCLXVI 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban Ace confirmed DCLXVI as innocent | ||
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On July 14 2010 09:07 Divinek wrote: it wasnt hard the message was 15 letters logn and there was only 1 player with 15 letters lol i figured it out right away too but didnt say anything Yeah, I know. I think youngminii got it too: On July 05 2010 09:17 youngminii wrote: Depends on the key. Is it TEA? I was actually thinking of writing a small program to try brute force to decrypt it, using numbers and words from the dictionary. Either way, Chez's post seems very suspicious. Nothing dramatic happened this game... people were too good at roleclaiming.. | ||
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