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On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote + One last thing Radfield, and please keep this in mind; Never use a commanding tone on me ever, again.
Really? C'mon now. I try hard in every game I play to be respectful of other players and acknowledge that this is a game of mafia and that at times people are actively trying to stir shit up. If you are trying to pick a fight with me, I refuse to bite. If you actually felt somewhat offended by my post, I apologize for that, but I fail to see any commanding or arrogant tone in my post. I asked you some questions and stated my opinion on you. If I tried to be cheeky at the end, at least acknowledge it for what it is, and don't take it as an insult. It's like you deliberately cut off this line "In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think." in order to make me look more serious and condescending than I was. Anyways, your basic reasoning for why you chose opz is that a) you thought he was scummy and b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it. Neither of those really satisfy me, but again, I'd like to hear some other opinions. Show nested quote + Talk about a hypocrite. (To those who still don't get it, he is the Tracker) Damn right I have my reasons to investigate him.
It seems like you're trying to softball suspicion onto opz. That makes no sense. You yourself investigated him and found him to be town aligned, so why are you trying to paint him in a bad light? And if your trying to give him being the tracker as a reason why you investigated him, that makes no sense. Are you saying you suspected him of not following the draft picks? I'm not really sure what this means. How can you do "too much" explaining? If you're town you should be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting lynched. Honestly, I feel like LSB has done a decent job defending himself, and I'm getting a more and more townie vibe from him. Do you mean this discussion taking up too much of the thread and that we should be moving on to other issues? That's probably true if that's the case.
I'm just skimming through this at work so I'll make it short. - I don't like your tone, no matter what you think. Call me subjective, but you can definitely word it another way around. This is also obvious you do not know any of my post history. Pick a fight with you? Haha. - I'm not soft balling suspicious onto Opz. Like you said, I already "confirmed" him. I'm just pointing out he is a hypocrite, and is the Tracker. Things could have easily be reversed if our two positions were swapped. If you fail to see this, not my problem. - You don't have to buy anything I say, I'm not you.
However, the following quote tells does me one thing.
On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote: b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it.
You're definitely not getting the point.
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Reposting this, I think it's pretty significant. If we have no Joat, we really have to go scum hunting and not be eternally delayed by this traitor situation.
Also, I'm interested in your thoughts right now Brownbear.
On August 30 2010 22:55 Pandain wrote:Wait...
Show nested quote +#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 00:58 Radfield wrote: whoops, messed up the list command(always preview!). Should look like this:
[list=ordered] [*]rastaban---- Comp Vig [*]Chaoser ---- Bad Santa [*]LSB ---- Prince of Darkness [*]Hesmyrr ---- Vanilla [*]Zeks ---- Role Cop, Defensive role or Copy Cat(??) [*]Southrawrea ---- Traitor ------> Vanilla [*]Subversion --- Picked whatever, Did not follow the plan [*]Fishball [*]Opz ---- Tracker [*]Citizen [*]BrownBear [*]JeeJee [*]DarthThienAn [*]siNiquity [*]Divinek ----- Day Vig [*]Radfield [*]Bill Murray ---- Mason [*]Bumatlarge Watcher [*]Pandain ---- Martyr
Everyone who was supposed to pick Joat didn't. Except one person(possibly, he might've not even followed the plan.) Jeejee, the person I most suspect of being mafia. So there you go, if JeeJee is Joat AND not mafia we might have a chance. A 25% chance. JeeJee right now is very important. Let's take a look at something. I think theres no Joat. If there is, I think we need to seriously start thinking about whether he should claim because with a high chance of our bulletbill being stolen, the rolecop taken by sk(and dead), and the current claims of roles and the plan everyone was supposed to follow, there should be a 25% chance of someone having picked Joat. So you know what, Screw that plan. Yeah, fadoodle it. All of our plans tonight revolve around finding out fishball's alignment. If we can't do that, we need a new plan. I'm seriously considering whether we should have JeeJee claim whether he is Joat. In fact, I think we should just ignore this whole traitor situation. Unless someone can resolve this, we have no way of really finding anything. All we have is a confirmed town aligned tracker. Oh my gosh... he might be our most valuable asset if there is no alignment cop(high chance there is none too). I say we use the CV to go scum hunting, and we just try to weed everyone else out. + Show Spoiler +Also, some interesting notes: Opz claims to have followed the plan, and yet did the exact opposite. As in, he was told specifically NOT to pick tracker, yet he did. Yet at the same time he's confirmed townie(according to fishball.
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Can I ask why SR isn't dead yet? He claimed he picked traitor, said zek or hess was it. Both of them were not. Isn't is easier to kill SR to see if he was lying rather than to kill/take out the 5 people infront of him?
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Oh wow wtf it doesn't even matter if JeeJee is mafia Joat(I mean it does, but not right now.)
Tracker tracks South, watcher watches south. CV kills LSB South is either mafia, town, or traitor. Let's look all possible scenarios South is mafia: Tracker finds him(since he leads to dead person) LSB is dead, but he was Prince of darkness anyway(if he was town he would be useless and if he's mafia he was a dangerous role) South is traitor(already recruited): Tracker finds him(since he leads to dead person) LSB is dead, but he was prince of darkness anyway(if he was town he would be useless and if he's mafia he was a dangerous role.) South is traitor(recruited on the night tracked): Watcher finds out more than one person visited him. Track him again the next night. If he sees anything, we caught mafia. Meanwhile, everyone but tracker just goes regular scum hunting, and after the results we can either lynch South(if found traitor) or Chaoser(if found innocent.) South is town: Watcher sees nothing, tracker sees nothing. We just keep having the watcher watch South, and meanwhile have the tracker track Chaoser. Alternatively, we can just have the watcher keep watching South, but then just wait for Chaoser to confirm his role via Bad Santa killing.
LSB is traitor: We all group hug and sing Kumbaya
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Rofl at all these ego trips
Ive got nothing better planned so ill follow up on that pandian. Indeed JeeJee seems the last person we can hope to be joat, and while its an important role, it isnt our last hope. We already have a bunch of blues running around, we just need to protect them. There is a good chance that those middle people are scum/defensive roles, so I doubt we will see a hit on them. If joat is here, he should probably protect a claimed blue tonight. In fact joat should protect fishball, and a doc should protect opz, unless we plan on hitting one. I feel like I get less priority then the other 2. So if you wanna take a chance, a doc can protect me
Again, darth and divine set off bells for me. Fish opz and rad seem like bickering blues trying to get info, but grabbing the wrong roles is fishy.
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These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason.
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Jeus christ im playing mafia, not watching days of our lives.
If radfield and fishball wanna draw their focus from the love triangle with Opz, then we can figure out what we are going to do tonight. I like pandain's idea with south, that needs to be resolved. If any outside party unbeknowest to us wants to clear fish and opz, that would be delightful (alignment on fish) if doc is 1-13 protect opz, if 14-20 prot me, pandain martyr for fish or not, it wouldlikely confirm him if you die. They wont waste a hit on a non def scum on a chance pandain might be fakeclaiming (again lol)
OpZ and fishball are same alignment, because wouldnt have opz tracked fish to zeks if he was scum? Does he only get one of the visits?
opz and i will go off to souths house, and we will CV LSB?
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You may all have your way with me tonight mmm.
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On August 31 2010 01:05 chaoser wrote: Can I ask why SR isn't dead yet? He claimed he picked traitor, said zek or hess was it. Both of them were not. Isn't is easier to kill SR to see if he was lying rather than to kill/take out the 5 people infront of him? Well, considering we have a one in two chance now... I'd rather take my chances because it'd take two kills worst case scenario anyway.
Who are we CVing tonight? I recommend LSB, I'm not sure if that was concretely decided yet.
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LSB is who I also voted for.
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On August 30 2010 22:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 19:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Fishball was 50% role cop eh? And he's BulletBill? Maybe because he's...I dunno...Acting fishy as fuck. Not to mention when I'm in a game with Fishball I always use whatever night action I have on him Night One (seriously, it's like I have a thing for him or something, he attracts me on night one) And aren't you supposed to be analyzing shit?
Oh, and one more thing Citizen. Fishball checked me, and I came up NOT holding a gun. a.k.a. CONFIRMED TOWN.
Of course it needs to be mentioned that you could still be scum if both you AND fishball are scum. Seems highly highly unlikely though. So unlikely in fact, that it's really not worth discussing. I FoS'd Fishball, making it even more unlikely. And have asked for repeated looks at him. Even if he is scum, I'd be good.
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On August 31 2010 01:15 bumatlarge wrote:Rofl at all these ego trips Ive got nothing better planned so ill follow up on that pandian. Indeed JeeJee seems the last person we can hope to be joat, and while its an important role, it isnt our last hope. We already have a bunch of blues running around, we just need to protect them. There is a good chance that those middle people are scum/defensive roles, so I doubt we will see a hit on them. If joat is here, he should probably protect a claimed blue tonight. In fact joat should protect fishball, and a doc should protect opz, unless we plan on hitting one. I feel like I get less priority then the other 2. So if you wanna take a chance, a doc can protect me Again, darth and divine set off bells for me. Fish opz and rad seem like bickering blues trying to get info, but grabbing the wrong roles is fishy. No...I have detailed specific medic protections. Fishballs role is 1000000000000000000000000 times better than mine. He gets specific's whether the person can kill or not. I just follow them, and if they don't go to a dead person because they drafted a role...well...I get useless info.
And I can't even necessarily share with the town in that situation.
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On August 31 2010 04:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 01:15 bumatlarge wrote:Rofl at all these ego trips Ive got nothing better planned so ill follow up on that pandian. Indeed JeeJee seems the last person we can hope to be joat, and while its an important role, it isnt our last hope. We already have a bunch of blues running around, we just need to protect them. There is a good chance that those middle people are scum/defensive roles, so I doubt we will see a hit on them. If joat is here, he should probably protect a claimed blue tonight. In fact joat should protect fishball, and a doc should protect opz, unless we plan on hitting one. I feel like I get less priority then the other 2. So if you wanna take a chance, a doc can protect me Again, darth and divine set off bells for me. Fish opz and rad seem like bickering blues trying to get info, but grabbing the wrong roles is fishy. No...I have detailed specific medic protections. Fishballs role is 1000000000000000000000000 times better than mine. He gets specific's whether the person can kill or not. I just follow them, and if they don't go to a dead person because they drafted a role...well...I get useless info. And I can't even necessarily share with the town in that situation.
Opz you're following the Pandain Plan right?
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On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote: These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason. Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P Would you do that if you were tracker?
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Maybe Pandain. I'll decide in a bit.
Matter of fact, based on the thread so far, whom would of tracked night one in my situation citizen?
I would like some of your suggestions citizen, because I value your opinion. You are pretty damn good at this scum hunting, you follow? I may of gotten lucky with Fishballs, but he was certainly posting a bit more than usual.
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On August 31 2010 05:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote: These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason. Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P Would you do that if you were tracker? I would certainly not be tracking SR - it seems like a waste, especially in Pandain's plan to watch and track him, while also killing LSB. We'd be wasting an entire night on them to learn little additional information about one single player. I'd track someone like Sinliquidy. Radfield is not a bad target either though.
If we could somehow Fishball as town-aligned we'd be in fantastic shape. I think his check on you pretty much confirms you either way (unless, as Radfield said you're both red, which I just don't see).
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Pandains idea is solid, you <i>should</i> track south. if we do, there is no real reason to kill LSB, since we will get that info. No one is really defending LSB besides radfield kinda, and now me? Oh that makes 3 lets kill him
Or darth.
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On August 31 2010 05:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 05:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote: These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason. Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P Would you do that if you were tracker? I would certainly not be tracking SR - it seems like a waste, especially in Pandain's plan to watch and track him, while also killing LSB. We'd be wasting an entire night on them to learn little additional information about one single player. I'd track someone like Sinliquidy. Radfield is not a bad target either though. If we could somehow Fishball as town-aligned we'd be in fantastic shape. I think his check on you pretty much confirms you either way (unless, as Radfield said you're both red, which I just don't see).
Incorrect, you forget the overall benefits of the plan. The tracker itself has a high chance of being ineffective, as every tracked person has a good chance of a role. Therefore, even if Opz did manage to track scum, as long as he had a role such as roleblocker, Opz would get no good info. This is a much better use of his ability right now, as it will help find a guaranteed scum. Remember, out of South, LSB, and Chaoser one of them is mafia. I would think that finding the traitor would not be a "waste", especially when it takes the place of previous plans to find the traitor(such as the unconfirmed bulletbill and uncertain Joat). By finding out information on south, we really gain info on two people.
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Wait, Opz, I change my answer! Let's track LSB instead. The PoD can't "travel" at night so tracking LSB should be effective, unless he lied and picked traitor.
This also means we should CV Southrawarea.
Medic - protect Opz!
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Yeah blue role takes precedence over mafia visit. And then we can spend the CV on someone else, fi we want to. Though we would have to pick another candidate for rasta. If we do hit LSB, then we would scrap the pandain plan. So all in favor say aye!
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