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On November 01 2010 11:30 Pandain wrote:It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed! Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
While I don't necessarily like being suspected, I don't feel like Dr.H was accusing me. He was bringing up a potential scenario, which is very legitimate. This is something I and many others were doing to him while he was campaigning. I appreciate the soft defense Pandain, but I don't think it's necessary to blow it out of proportion. It is reasonable for him to bring up scenarios that would discredit him.
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On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes. That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did. Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia. However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard. By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed?
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On November 01 2010 11:56 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes. That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did. Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia. However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard. By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you. Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed? Nope. And I can confirm that. Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 31 2010 10:28 infinitestory wrote: Will the bodyguard be PM'd and informed that he is the bodyguard? Is that going to be added to his role, or will bodyguarding replace his original role? He will be informed of being a Bodyguard. This will not replace his original role. The mayor is not informed of who he is.
Thanks, I thought a mod said it, but I didn't want to be mistaken and then misquoted.
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On November 01 2010 12:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim. Would you like to just go ahead and accuse me of making up the role of sticky altogether? Don't you think confirming that my role does what it says I does does quite a bit? It confirms the sticky exists and that I am the sticky, it would prove I wasn't lying about my role and my confirmation power.
Dr.H, I think a more important part of this post is "that what you say your role does = 100% of your role?"
Do I suspect that you are holding any part of your role apart from us? Probably not, you have described your role pretty greatly, and I think any other powers added to it would be OP. However, I do think this is a necessary precaution to think about, and infinitestory is probably wise to do so.
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Question: In a traditional game with role-blockers, can they role-block the same player twice in a row? Or are there restrictions on that?
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On November 01 2010 12:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: Question: In a traditional game with role-blockers, can they role-block the same player twice in a row? Or are there restrictions on that? In traditional games, they can not roleblock the same player twice in a row. This is in no way a promise for this game or acknowledge the existence of any at all.
Which is why I said "in a traditional game" =P
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On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again. Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_-
But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits.
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On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P).
This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H
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On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated.
On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go Aeres: 3 Ace youngminii bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote
One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
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On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum. On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him. I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. [b[If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out. Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name [/b]
The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love?
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On November 01 2010 13:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum. On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him. I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out. Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love?
EBWOP
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On November 01 2010 13:15 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 13:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum. On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him. I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out. Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love? EBWOP lol no I've been at work for the past 10 hours or so (well before I posted first this "day")
Hah, it's just something to think about. My mind has so many things processing about this game at the moment, what harm is adding one more? ;P
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On November 01 2010 13:15 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim You're going to die anyway. Unless the mafia are allowed to move the hit?
So now it's more of a question of "should he risk taking blues down with him?" He himself says he's not sure his role is important enough to do so.
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On November 01 2010 13:19 DCLXVI wrote: Wait so you guys think a doctor cannot save me from this supposed hit? why? I really don't want to die just yet
I believe you probably can be saved. But it could be dangerous if we try, because it could be a suicide bomber set up or something of the sort.
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On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
It's not devolving, it just hasn't gone anywhere at all. You both are saying the same thing over and over, and I think it needs to stop for now.
That being said, I want to make sure the town doesn't just feel too secure with Dr.H (youngminii is too secure imo, a bit suspicious). This shouldn't just drop off the face of the game, but at the same time, I think new issues should be looked at for the time being. This argument between you two is getting the town nowhere.
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Yeah, I'm sleeping. Accounting exam in the morning FTL...
Gimme something productive to read in the morning! =)
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On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote: I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?
We can trust DocH. We should work with him.
I would like you to clarify for us. Why should we trust Dr.H? Give us a reason. Your posts thus far have been vague and largely unhelpful.
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On November 01 2010 22:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote: regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll notice youngminii was actually pro-DH when DH was arguing with Pandain. I haven't brought this up explicitly, but since you're already talking about him, I might as well add in. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me. I know I'm quoting out of context, but to me, this is a big no-no, and I would never say something like that. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Come to think of it, have anyone ever though of the possible link between Radio LOONY and Glasse? I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face, but it was him posting in the haunted thread that reminded me and ring the bell. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 20:43 Glasse wrote: I say useful stuff once in a while
im like 3 faced
1/3 normal cat 1/3 crazy cat 1/3 serious cat Regardless of Glasse's role/alignment, I just can't seem to ignore this possible link.
Yes, we have considered this possibility. We have no idea, but Artanis said this:
On November 01 2010 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:02 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. What about Radio LOONY? Broadcaster by a player within the game. My plan was to make that more clear though LSB posted it a little early.
Whether or not this is a Mafia aligned player, we can't know for sure, but in my mind, it makes sense that this would be a scum role.
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On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:I'm sorry about this I had a busy weekend and I am trying to catchup as best as possible... I was reading up until Day 2 carefully and then I woke up to a bunch of new posts, so if things have been rejected/accepted I apologize... Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:On November 01 2010 14:17 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote: Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. Totally agree. However I'm trying to understand the possibility of the mafia outting someone as a "bodyguard." What are the benefits? -Aeres would be 'lynchproof.' -DrH has to sit knowing that his "BG" is out in the open? Puts pressure on him? Why else would someone want to do that. It looks like he made a mistake. And I'm more inclined to believe InfiniteStory on this one. Up to this post I am 50/50 about lynching him. I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..). Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar. Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... Also this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote: You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.
@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo. I hope not, but we can always test this scenario down the road Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.
a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself. What if a DT can't check you? We don't know what you _should_ come back even if you were checked. We would waste a check figuring out of we can actually check you. I won't be throwing a FoS on you though since it's ridiculous to make that call by Day 2. There's so much behind the last day that could account for the failures of the lynch and the first night that we're not even aware of. It will ruin discussion by dwelling on it.
It has already been confirmed by Artanis that Dr.H can be DT checked.
For example, he should come back as Mayor Stick assuming he hasn't lied about his role.
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On November 01 2010 22:51 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 22:40 Fishball wrote:On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote: regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll notice youngminii was actually pro-DH when DH was arguing with Pandain. I haven't brought this up explicitly, but since you're already talking about him, I might as well add in. On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me. I know I'm quoting out of context, but to me, this is a big no-no, and I would never say something like that. On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Come to think of it, have anyone ever though of the possible link between Radio LOONY and Glasse? I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face, but it was him posting in the haunted thread that reminded me and ring the bell. On November 01 2010 20:43 Glasse wrote: I say useful stuff once in a while
im like 3 faced
1/3 normal cat 1/3 crazy cat 1/3 serious cat Regardless of Glasse's role/alignment, I just can't seem to ignore this possible link. Yes, we have considered this possibility. We have no idea, but Artanis said this: On November 01 2010 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 01 2010 12:02 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. What about Radio LOONY? Broadcaster by a player within the game. My plan was to make that more clear though LSB posted it a little early. Whether or not this is a Mafia aligned player, we can't know for sure, but in my mind, it makes sense that this would be a scum role. I don't think i'd be dumb enough to point to myself as red with a radio message... It might be a scum role though. Some of you really think i'm an idiot.
I never said I thought LOONY was you, but it is someone trying to look like you, or at least reference you.
I don't think you're an idiot, I think you're very entertaining, lol
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