A leader I was born and raised, and a leader I will strive to be. I would like to announce my campaign for the Mayor of Insania! I have a good analytical mind, and, while I am very confident in my own opinions, I am also very aware and encouraged by the opinions of my peers. If you vote for me, I promise that there will be a swimming pool in every yard, a soda fountain on every corner, and a skate park on top of a sky scraper!
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On October 29 2010 09:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: don't vote for jcarlsoniv he's inexperienced and mostly inactive, not good
orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either
mayor should be an experienced player so we have an experienced player that is protected. medics should also protect our most experienced/best players (ace, bumatlarge, brownbear, infundibulum, etc.)
i'm voting for bumatlarge since he's the best one running currently
I was very active in the beginning of Haunted Mafia, but as the game drew on, midterm week came, and I still read and posted a bit, but not nearly as much. That, and I was getting frustrated with the discord of the town, so I stuck to PMs.
Just because I have not played many games does not mean I'm a bad player. I believe that, with the support of others, I can grow to be a very strong Mafia killer.
PMs: PMs are not allowed this game unless you are PMing me or LSB, have explicit approval to PM or you are mafia, and then you may only PM your fellow mafia. I think PMs are too OP for town, so most things will happen in the thread this game. Always send in your PM actions to both LSB and myself or they might not be used.
On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote: DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment. If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia
Lol, yes, those are the 4 possible outcomes
I feel that it is quite apparent that no one is actually seriously considering me as a mayor, which I see as fair, I just figured I should try.
At this point, I'm torn between Bumatlarge and annul. Bum is a very experienced player, and I feel like he would know what to do with the town. On the other hand, annul freaking owned the town (with some help from aztrorisk >.<) in Haunted, so I know that he is a good leader. I wish he would post some more and back up his campaign.
On October 29 2010 13:27 LunarDestiny wrote: One way that dts can create circle is to post their finding in a encrypted message and post on this very thread and use their mod pm as the encryption code.
That way, only dts (or any blue role) can communication with each others (assuming that all dt (or any blue role) role pms are the same).
That would be very elaborate and awesome in every way, haha.
On October 29 2010 13:19 LunarDestiny wrote: I think there should be at least 1 dt in the game. In a normal mafia game where there are significant less players and vanila townies exist, there is still a dt or two. This game has 39 players, so it is safe to assume that dt exists.
Well, even though everyone has a power, there could still be less significant blues and more significant blues. I shall dub them Super-Blues. The Sub-Blues could be less powerful, and just have a small power so that they feel important. That's better than just being a green IMO.
For example, I was looking through the wiki, and there are a couple roles like the DoubleVoter, which allows the player to have two votes, one in the voting thread, one in PM. Although it does say that this is usually paired with something like DoubleVoter Cop, and we have no clue what roles are being used.
The Super-Blues could be like a regular game's blues, that are much more significant and powerful than the greens. These will probably be things like DTs, medics, vigi, etc. I do expect these regular powers to be in the game, but I also expect Artanis to have gotten creative and have some really awesome powers.
The mafia, on the other hand, is really outnumbered in this game, as someone stated earlier. Not only that, but since everyone has powers, it makes it that much more difficult for them. For this reason, I'm sure that the mafia have some really powerful abilities. The poison is very scary, especially because it will contaminate everyone who is in contact. This puts the mayor at a very high poisoning priority, since poisoning him will also poison his bodyguards (again, assuming there will even be bodyguards).
On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote: You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up.
I will be running for Mayor.
- I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other. - This circle consists of 6 players. - Every member knows who is in this circle. - All member does not know each others role - All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia. - There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle.
If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential.
Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement.
Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation. Once again, I am running for Mayor. If I win, I will be role claiming right away.
This is very interesting.
You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now.
This makes me think that you are a detective of sorts. This role would be very critical to a circle because it will allow you to find out the rest of the circle's affiliation.
On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote: Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it. The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized
i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
I do agree with you Dr.H, I don't see much harm in electing him. The only thing we will lose is one bad lynch if he chooses anti-town. And, if he seems anti-town, then we can just get rid of him. I wonder how many Super-Blues are in this town circle, and if any others will step forward.
Does the mayor have to be elected by a certain time? If so, when? Just curious, because obviously there has to be time for discussion on who he will choose.
On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote: Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it. The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized
i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position.
I'm sure we will have no problems with keeping the mayor "highly scrutinized". He is the head honcho, and he can't just fall off the face of the earth. If he does, that would be very suspicious.
On October 29 2010 14:16 LunarDestiny wrote: mayor needs to be elected after 48 hours after game starts. Then he type #kill "insert name" for the first day lynch.
At least this is how the past games worked.
Hmm...ok. So before a mayor is actually chosen, discussion of a Day1 kill should be discussed (eventually), and who the candidates will choose should be determined. Obviously, though, this kill choice shouldn't be given the same weight as future prospects in the game, which Fishball offers.
I will reserve my vote a bit longer until more devlops, I'm in no rush
On October 29 2010 14:20 bumatlarge wrote: I was hoping someone had a role that could make a circle. Have to be careful with that, but it beats my idea. Kinda skeptical though, this circle might not even exist but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses.
VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL.
simple
someone other than fishball must post pm's from the circle to prove it exists. it could just be pm's about something insignificant.
mafia would be dumb to risk that because if one of them flipped red everyone else involved int he claim would be killed as well
This would work. And, if the two parties in the PMs don't match up to those who should be allowed to PM, then they broke the rules! (But what if they're both mafia??? O_O)
Someone else from the circle must step forward so we can actually confirm its existence.
The way I'm sort of seeing this who situation is that this town circle is sort of like Congress. It's kinda of in the background, and they represent our votes. If we have good, experienced, town aligned players in this Congress, then we can have a lot of power in this game. If there is some mafia influence, how bad could it be for the town?
An experienced player won't necessarily be influenced easily, and members of Congress will have to submit to a background check (everyone knows that politicians' lives aren't secret from anyone). Additionally, if Fishball is the mayor, his behavior will be heavily watched, and any scummy activity can be checked. Since no one else has really brought anything to the table, I believe that voting Fishball could be a *relatively* safe option. I reserve my judgement to see if/when another good candidate steps forward.
Amber, thank you for addressing my point. I ask these questions so I can learn from the more experienced players.
I know lying is a big part of the game, it's a game of deception! Ifthere are detectives though, which I assume there are, and at least one is in the town circle, it could give some security.
One thing I am afraid of is that fishball knows the mayor can't be rolechecked, and he's asking to be mayor so that he can gain that protection and then blatantly cover up his true affiliation to screw over the town.
While I do hesitate to want a master manipulator as mayor, annul interests me. Annul, what can you bring to the table? Fishball has presented a very good platform, and, whether it is sneaky or not, it gives us something to consider.
Also, Coagulation brings up a good point. Pandain does have very good analyses, and even though some of them were wrong (no one will be right 100% of the time), they were very thorough. His posts aren't the sneakiest, and his whole "yum yum" thing is damn annoying, but the more I think about it, the more I am considering him as a decent mayor.
On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote: How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.
why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.
I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know.
I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6? Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same.
Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
That is a really good point. Keeping close watch on the mayor is vital.
@annul: I don't doubt that you are experienced at all. You more than proved your worth in Haunted Mafia. But what can you bring to the town? What is your pitch? Fishball is offering this premade circle, where is your present?
Well, Aeres, I'm also of the opinion that the Mayoral position is most important for its protection. Yeah, the extra votes are nice, but the fact that you can't die til your bodyguards die is most desirable.
Well Fishball said that he has additional powers on top of being able to communicate with those in his circle, so he's not just a random mason.
That being said, it does scare me to give someone who has that much power even more power. The secrecy could hurt the town more than it could help. Also, he has additional powers, so why can't he execute his plan without the mayoral position? He is pushing for the protection of Mayor as much as annul is, so why should we just give it to him?
On the other hand, annul is a master manipulator. Do I believe he can use his powers for good? Absolutely, he is a very good player. But do I think that he could be Mafia playing the town again? Yeah, and he's damn good at it.
It's so hard to make a decision of any sort without any idea of the possible powers out there.
On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best:
my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
Actually, the possibility with mafia being in the circle (extremely likely), is exactly why I'm trying to run for Mayor. If not for this possibility, this would be way overpowered.
It's not like I have some secret information that I'll be sharing with the circle. Let me do a very rough and simple break down of how it might look like.
If I become Mayor, I will request the other 5 to role claim to me. Depending on the roles, assignment for their Day/Night actions will be made. We roll from there. If anything doesn't add up, I'll be sure to know.
Again, this is a just a very rough presentation, and there is a lot more we can do to utilize this circle. Like presenting all it's members when the time is right, etc.
The Mayor is basically the most monitored role in the game. If I do anything extremely suspicious, the Town can easily lynch me off.
But the thing is, if you have the ability to converse in secret, and you end up being a Mafia Mayor, we will have NO idea if anything is fishy. You could have them roleclaim, give them assignments, and what have you, but we will never know if you want to cover something up that goes on in PM land.
The Mayor is the most heavily watched, but the possibility of the Mayor hiding things scares me. Everything the Mayor does should be out in the open, nothing should be private.
On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best:
my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
Actually, the possibility with mafia being in the circle (extremely likely), is exactly why I'm trying to run for Mayor. If not for this possibility, this would be way overpowered.
It's not like I have some secret information that I'll be sharing with the circle. Let me do a very rough and simple break down of how it might look like.
If I become Mayor, I will request the other 5 to role claim to me. Depending on the roles, assignment for their Day/Night actions will be made. We roll from there. If anything doesn't add up, I'll be sure to know.
Again, this is a just a very rough presentation, and there is a lot more we can do to utilize this circle. Like presenting all it's members when the time is right, etc.
The Mayor is basically the most monitored role in the game. If I do anything extremely suspicious, the Town can easily lynch me off.
But the thing is, if you have the ability to converse in secret, and you end up being a Mafia Mayor, we will have NO idea if anything is fishy. You could have them roleclaim, give them assignments, and what have you, but we will never know if you want to cover something up that goes on in PM land.
The Mayor is the most heavily watched, but the possibility of the Mayor hiding things scares me. Everything the Mayor does should be out in the open, nothing should be private.
Fair enough. Like I said last night, I cannot prove myself, I can only convince. At this stage of the game, the only way to prove your innocence is death.
If town wants to play it safe, a quick alternate scenario I can think of is to let me roll and try to gather as much information as I can for a few cycles. I then may or may not announce the remaining members, and release whatever information I can (depending on situation), and have myself lynched to prove my role and alignment.
Another way is to have DT's check me first night. I'm sure there are multiple DT's in the game, whether they are role checking DT's or alignment DT's. If nobody says anything, then all is good. But if there is any discrepancies, we'll know that either I am lying, or the DT is. (unless the DT is insane, then this game is really INSANE)
I know you have said that you can't prove yourself, and I don't necessarily think you shouldn't be mayor. I think you are a good candidate. However, I feel it is necessary to play Devil's Advocate and propose worst case scenarios.
In your alternate scenarios, would you have been voted Mayor at that point? I'm not sure mayor can be role checked... Having yourself lynched would be nice as a consolation that we trusted the right person, but if you are a good Mayor, it doesn't really help us much.
On October 30 2010 03:56 Pandain wrote: I would be alright with Fishball for mayor I guess, but again, I just don't know why he has to. His reason is protection, but we have medics, no? This circle can be incrediably useful and a valuable asset to town, and if what he says is true, that "his role is crucial to the circle", then why must he go to the extreme and go mayor?
To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch.
Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis?
Are there other viruses (standard poisons) present? There has been instances of people being "poisoned" and dying on the second night. Will this be a separate mechanic from murrayitis?
No information regarding possible poisonings is available, but the known effects of Murrayitis do not include death by poisoning on the second night.
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote: If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now:
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.)
As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial".
thoughts?
Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying.
On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis.
So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night.
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.
we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.
now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players
from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists
the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.
that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT
if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball
if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.
I agree with you that we need to confirm the existence of the circle before we elect Fishball as Mayor. Having people reveal like that I feel would be very good for us.
The only thing that scares me is having a Mayor that can communicate secretly while the rest of us cant (which I have stressed a few times already). However, the benefits could very well outweigh the risks. Fishball has given us the most information so far, and he is definitely a very viable candidate.
On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity.
Who do you think that this other scum running would be?
Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though...
On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote: If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now:
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.)
As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial".
thoughts?
Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying.
On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis.
So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night.
If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too.
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
Wait, what? If nobody claims, then we kill Fishball, and then rolecheck the people who claimed (0 people)? That's...what?
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
Well that's kinda fishy. That makes me think that you know of someone who has a suicide bomber role or something of that sort.
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity.
Who do you think that this other scum running would be?
Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though...
i have a weird feeling about pandain
most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity.
Who do you think that this other scum running would be?
Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though...
i have a weird feeling about pandain
most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
These two statements don't really match up...
sure they do
in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process.
i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon
Well they don't quite match up because in the first you're saying you will vote for him even though you find him supicious. In the second you say you find it weird that he has so many votes when most of the discussion has been on Fishball, and you criticize the bandwagon...but you're joining the bandwagon? I don't get your logic.
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.
we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.
now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players
from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists
the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.
that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT
if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball
if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.
How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing.
If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway.
ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though.
i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town.
if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily
do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
Dr.H, I don't understand you.
You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why?
Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.
we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.
now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players
from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists
the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.
that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT
if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball
if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.
How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing.
If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway.
ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though.
i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town.
if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily
do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
Dr.H, I don't understand you.
You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why?
Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball
but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
Ok, I somewhat understand now, although I don't understand why you felt compelled to switch to the Pandain Train, there is still soooooo much time for vote switching, but whatever.
It's insane mafia, I'm pretty sure everyone's roles are complex
On October 30 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
Well I WAS running, but you quickly smited my candidacy cuz I *mocking tone* wasn't good enough for you */mocking tone*.
But I do agree, I wish there were more candidates. To be honest though, every candidate will look suspicious. We will always find a way to criticize the people running.
I'm torn. I want to vote for Fishball because I think I would rather him be mayor than Pandain. However, I don't want to run for Fishball because he will still be able to operate in the circle, and I would really like him to be DT checked.
On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
Honestly, Dr.H, I'm glad you have decided to run.
You and I both seem to have very similar opinions, and you are more experienced than I.
As of now, you have some support from me. Probationary support, but some support nonetheless. I will not give Pandain my vote, so as of this moment, I will give my vote to either you or Fishball.
Side note: You won't need protection AND you can sort of prove others roles? HOW MANY POWERS DO YOU HAVE?! O_o
On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote: Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked.
(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...)
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit
somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more
That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons.
artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle
as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak
So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference.
On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote: Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked.
(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...)
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit
somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more
That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons.
artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle
as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak
So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference.
no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition
so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins
if town is in the group they win when town wins
that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak
of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit
it could also not even exist
Ah, ok, that makes sense.
And yeah, the uncertainty of everything makes me scared face.
On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote: Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked.
(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...)
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit
somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more
That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons.
artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle
as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak
So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference.
no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition
so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins
if town is in the group they win when town wins
that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak
of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit
it could also not even exist
Ah, ok, that makes sense.
And yeah, the uncertainty of everything makes me scared face.
i think it would be nice to have masons
it's really quite simple, you just give people the power to pm over time.
No, I meant the uncertainty of having no idea what's going on in the game, whether or not there is actually a Mason group.
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit
somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more
Well gee, that's curious. I wonder if we go back to bumatlarge's posts and why he said Fishball's method, if true, was faster, what we can put together. Well, I suppose his reasons are still unknown then?
Do not vote pandain. Vote anyone but pandain. I say it should be me or fishball. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS STATED ABOVE.
I never really retracted my run :/ misinformation!
And when I get back from work I'm gonna really go through what people are spreading around.
Are you claiming to also be in Fishball's circle? What are the "obvious reasons stated above"?
On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates
Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off.
everyone is a blue in this game lol
i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying
you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason
read my previous post. valuable blue.
I can offer proof as well, albeit it will be somewhat indirect. Are you sure you can offer 100% proof? Why can you not just do it now?
I myself have a valuable role, however I do not roleclaim because I know there's a chance I may lose, and do not want mafia knowing what I have.
What makes you think there are invaluable blues? Every role has a purpose, some may be more bizarre than others, but I would think that every role is potentially game changing.
I trust that Dr.H can stand true to his word of 100% proof of town. If not, then we have our first town lynch target.
As for Fishball, without multiple members of your circle stepping forward, I can't trust you.
Pandain, all you are offering is being a loyal townie, and being able to "indirectly" prove your role. Well congrats at being a townie, you can continue to be one. We need a Mayor who can lead the town to victory, not just aid the town in getting there.
We need a Mayor with potential, with a plan. Bum, Dr.H, and Fishball all have given those to us, you really have not.
On October 30 2010 06:56 Amber[LighT] wrote: DrH I'm willing to throw my vote on you if you're going to seriously get the town organized. I am not confident about the FB vote and I still feel comfortable about Pandain, but if you really want the mayoral power I'll support you. You're the only person that's putting forth the effort to organize a strategic plan past the first night.
here is my basic plan for organization:
1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am.
2. that player confirms to the town my role
3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle
4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now.
There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up.
Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying.
I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night.
How will you confirm to one player your role if there are no PMs?
On October 30 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote: How do we know the person who is "verifying" your confirmation of your role isnt just a Scumbuddy of yours?
We don't, obviously. But that's the whole nature of the game, friend.
Well, I see it this way. Dr.H has no reason to give us the names of another Mafia member just to get the Mayor position. I mean, sure, it's a nice position, but worth losing teammates over? Not sure...
There aren't 22 scum like there were in Haunted, there are many fewer (I forget exactly how many). This means that every time a mafia member dies, it is a bigger hit this game.
I hope there wouldn't be more than one shape-shifting role in the mafia.
One question though: Does the Godfather get chosen Day1 or Night1?
If Godfather gets chosen Night1, then Dr.H couldn't possibly be shapeshifting now. Also, since he is roleclaiming immediately after being elected, it wouldn't give the Mafia enough time to have a Godfather, so even if he's Mafia, the person he would be claiming to wouldn't be shapeshifting yet. Or something to that effect...
On October 30 2010 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To clarify about the Mayor since this was unclear: He can be targetted by any night action that isn't aimed at killing him as long as possible bodyguard(s) is/are still alive. Exception to this being if murrayitis is triggered but possible bodyguard(s) is/are still alive.
Ok, so operating under the assumption that the only shape shifter role is the Godfather:
If Dr.H is Godfather and claims to a Mafia who will then confirm his role as a blue, we can DT check them both and figure it out, even if we have to check one by one.
If Dr.H is Mafia and claims to Godfather, who would confirm him and shape shift, hoping to be checked and turn blue, then a check on Dr.H would find out his alignment.
If Dr.H accidentally claims to a Mafia, that fucking sucks, but he claims that this is low percentage, and he would be able to try to out them as Mafia.
I think Dr.H is a safe and smart choice.
P.S. If nobody from Fishball's "circle" steps forward in the next few hours, I want to place a FoS on Fishball.
On October 30 2010 07:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's important that I'm aware of anyone with the same role as me so I can confirm to them since they are guaranteed pro-town.
If you have my role, just leave a few codewords in your posts as you go along and I'll notice it. You'll know what to say. You'll be the first person I confirm to.
Holy shit, guys, I go out for a night of Halloween weekend fun, and come back to all this??
@orgolove: You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
@Dr.H: Yes, a lot of arguments have been made at you, and a lot of WIFOM has been brought up. However, I view a lot of it as people playing Devil's Advocate, as I was earlier. Asking all these questions and presenting different scenarios will get the town further into discussion. The fact that so much argument has been put upon you is because people fear you, which is both good and bad. The Mafia are probably terrified that you are gaining influence, and the town is afraid to trust you. That being said, I feel that your role claim gives you a lot of trust, and your posts and strategy has been extremely pro-town.
@town: I encourage you all to keep thinking and presenting different scenarios and challenging theories. Leave the personal attacks at home, and post constructively. We still have ~15 hours to decide our Mayor.
With that, I'm gonna go to bed, don't have TOO many pages for me to read in the morning ^_^
I apologize, mods and orgolove, I did not mean to get into personal attacks myself. I'm sorry for attacking and being a hypocrite.
That being said, orgolove, that is a good, constructive analysis that can generate discussion, and discussion we shall have!
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory.
Agreed, it is a decision that needs to be taken heavily into consideration. Electing a Scum-Mayor would suck, but I don't think it's quite as disastrous as you make it out to be. It will give the Mafia a bit more pull and influence, yes, but as long as we don't trust the Mayor completely blindly, we can limit that influence. And yes, a blue as Mayor is always good.
THESIS: So it raises the question, are the benefits greater than the risks?
So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis.
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
This is not all completely true. M-itis does not rely solely on the controlled spread of the Mafia. It is "highly contagious" and will spread to anyone in contact with infected persons. So, if an infected blue watches or investigates, etc. (depending on roles in the game) a Mafia, that Mafia member is also infected. I think some people are forgetting that the Mafia is also at risk to die once the M-itis pops.
Proposed Scenarios: 1. Dr.H is elected and is Town: Having someone who can combat the spread of M-itis while being immune to it (without Plague Doctor protection) and immune to night kills (while bodyguards are alive) is, I believe, very important in this particular game. He can then find out who has M-itis (and simultaneously, his role will be PMd to the poke-ey) and direct the Plague Doctors to give them immunity.
2. Dr.H is elected and is Mafia: He could do all this fake claiming and elaborate planning to get Mafia members to fake his claims. However, this has a couple issues which Dr.H has elaborated on many many times. Would a Mafia really put his neck out there THIS far just to gain night immunity and an extra vote? If there are any blue roles that can kill, it would be much better for the Mafia to remain unsuspected at all, because aside from a lynch, the Mafia won't get killed at night (unless there are blue kills or M-itis). Additionally, if Dr.H had multiple scumbuddies faking his claim for the ruse, well then every time, he has outed a friend, because you can be damn sure that whoever he pokes and comes forward will be scrutinized and probably DT checked. And if we believe that Dr.H is being very scummy, we lynch. The loss of the Mayor would really suck though.
I believe it is, in fact, VERY important to be checking, one-by-one who has M-itis. That is probably the biggest threat in the game (only "probably" because of lack of known roles).
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue.
Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few:
I believe this could be said about any of the candidates. There are so many potential traps with electing any good player to be Mayor. We can't possibly trust anyone in the game, as is the nature of Mafia.
I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion.
If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader
However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted.
DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
I do somewhat agree with you here, but only on the part where Dr.H has gotten increasingly emotional as the thread went on. We do need a Mayor who is a good leader and can take the responsibility of the position. However, I'm not sure I see the other candidates being able to do it as effectively. In my opinion, Dr.H has kept his cool fairly well. He has been stable throughout this game. Dr.H is a very responsible and experienced player, and he has proven himself as a leader, even amongst all of the questioning. I would say that he has been so emotional (I see it as frustrated rather than emotional) because he had said the same things over and over for multiple pages. His campaign has been concrete this whole time, and he offers a lot to the town, with relatively low gain for scum if he is Mafia.
In conclusion, I believe that the election of Dr.H grants more benefits to the town than possible risks if he were Mafia. I think he is a smart choice because of his ability to combat the disease that will most likely destroy many players. The longer we can keep the M-itis explosion at bay, the better off the town will be, and Dr.H's role seems to lend itself very well to that ability.
Mmmk, Dr.H, I did feel it was necessary for you to address the constructive post that orgolove made, because it can cause for good discussion. I would, however, like the whole argument over personal attacking to stop. I got sucked into it, but I'm hoping to also aid in the end of it. I would hate to see modkills over arguments. The past is the past, and we don't want another Pandain/Bill Murray incident on our hands. God forbid we make the next town suffer from orgolove-atoma or Dr.H Disease O_o
On October 31 2010 01:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Mmmk, Dr.H, I did feel it was necessary for you to address the constructive post that orgolove made, because it can cause for good discussion. I would, however, like the whole argument over personal attacking to stop. I got sucked into it, but I'm hoping to also aid in the end of it. I would hate to see modkills over arguments. The past is the past, and we don't want another Pandain/Bill Murray incident on our hands. God forbid we make the next town suffer from orgolove-atoma or Dr.H Disease O_o
I agree, but it's something that happened and I want to make it clear what made me incensed. I think it's sort of silly for orgolove to criticize me for being emotional when he himself provoked it
...twice.
Yes, but what's done is done, and we can't go back and change it. So let's move forward with discussions instead of dwelling on it! =)
Argument over! *looks around hoping everyone gets happy faces*
On October 31 2010 01:52 ghrur wrote: Why do I feel ignored? T_T
At this time, I would like to declare my intentions to vote for the noble candidate ghrur.
As much as I appreciate this, I really think I shouldn't be. I mean, I threw my name in because I feel like I'm able to keep my calm, but now that I look over it, I'm not active enough. I also really gain nothing from bodyguards as I can do this as a townie. Also, I feel that my role isn't strong enough. Instead, I really want to hear Glasse's platform once again.
Lol i don't really want to be mayor i just like having fun :D Its my second mafia game, i can't be as active as others. However i can prove that i'm town easily.
All depends if you want the possibility of a mafia mayor or not :O
I think we would all like to eliminate the possibility of a mafia mayor. We just want to know who has the best "way" to prove it with as little reasonable loop holes as possible.
And thanks Kita, lol. xD
Well, it's not just about being able to give people security in your claim. Being Mayor is also a position of power and leadership, as orgo said. So we can't just vote on who can role claim and convince the town that they are town, I'm sure many of people could do this. We need an experienced player who will aid the town with a plan and with their abilities. Don't get me wrong though, I definitely want to avoid a Scum-Mayor as much as possible (obviously).
On October 31 2010 01:01 DCLXVI wrote: Fishball - I still think that you are safe enough within your circle [What? Elaborate, not a blanket statement. If you seriously bring up that Medic/Mayor question again, I'll lose it]
and I would rather have you as a back up leader since we cannot be sure of the security of your circle. [I think I know what you mean, but if you compare the first sentence and this, it doesn't really make sense at all. "You're safe in the circle! But we can't trust the security of the circle!"]
once a few people die in it we can scrutinize the few remaining for a mafia. [This was already briefly discussed on page 29 and 30.]
I still don't understand why all of you don't want to reveal yourselves. If there is a mafia in the circle - highly likely I think - then the mafia knows all of you anyways. [Possible Mafia in the circle would means he know who are the members, but not their respective roles and abilities. Are you implying we should come out with our roles and abilities, or just simply requesting everyone in the circle to come out? If it is the former, then that would be retarded. If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here]
You are just withholding information from the town for what purpose? [Withholding what information? If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above. Besides that, the only thing I'm "withholding" now is my role. What else do you want?]
My response in red. To be honest, you're either Mafia trying to discredit me, or your reading comprehension is just bad, which baffles me. Even though your post is longer compared to some other players, the points made (at the very least, to me) are either weak, or have been discussed before. Your post falls into this category.
I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it.
You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.
What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.
I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it.
I did say "I think I know what you mean". I'm just picking on the wording he used.
You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.
What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.
??? So you're asking the exact same question he did, which I replied. - "If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above." - "If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here"
I have read your posts, but I still don't understand why you're hiding it from us. It would be nice if the circle members stepped forward, but at this point I want YOU to tell us who is in the circle. Give us names. Why are you keeping this information from the town when the Mafia most likely already has it?
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq
hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys
bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)
You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity.
fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder"
I was reading a bunch of roles on mafiascum wiki and i saw something interesting. The "elder" could be only able to vote on 1 target, but give 2 votes. which means one of the voters has 2 votes.
Now look at the first vote count where elder wasnt and the vote count where vote is. Now this could have been a PM he held off until now but it could also be someone that was just added and counted as 2
People added to his list that could have 2 votes :
This is interesting. It's sort of like a mini-Mayor without the protection, and with some privacy? Would the two votes have to be for the same person? Or could it possibly be someone who voted elsewhere, but then secretly voted for Dr.H so people don't know that's where he really wants his vote? I wonder what other applications it has, it sounds like it's just useful for helping rig elections. Additionally, do you think it's coupled with another power, or a standalone role?
I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it.
I did say "I think I know what you mean". I'm just picking on the wording he used.
On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.
What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.
??? So you're asking the exact same question he did, which I replied. - "If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above." - "If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here"
I have read your posts, but I still don't understand why you're hiding it from us. It would be nice if the circle members stepped forward, but at this point I want YOU to tell us who is in the circle. Give us names. Why are you keeping this information from the town when the Mafia most likely already has it?
I'm still waiting. Do I have to announce in detail on every little update I make in my head, up to the minute?
- I've already PM'd the three "relatively" active members and ask whether they would agree to come out or not. - The others flat out haven't posted in the thread and I rather see them mod-killed, as it hurts the game more than anything regardless of alignment. - This is also one of the reasons why I'm not really pushing so hard for Mayor now, as if the circle falls, my role is useless and vice versa (The circle needs me). I already said I might announce my role even if I don't get Mayor, so if I do announce it, it will easily make sense. - If I don't hear much feed back in a couple hours, it is very likely I'll just announce the list of members and my role.
This is all I'm going to say for now. I don't expect you to vote for me based on all the previous information I've provided, but if people simply can't stand waiting in the so called "darkness", then so be it.
I am not asking you to give us every detail you are thinking of. I am only asking for names. The longer you hold this information from the town, the longer the Mafia can talk about what to do without, and the less time we will be able to. At this point you are crippling the town.
On October 31 2010 07:09 Ace wrote: Just because some of them heavily disagreed with you doesn't mean you should lynch them. It's Day 1, you don't have any information beyond your suspicions. Don't lynch an active player unless they've done something extremely scummy to the point that most of the town can agree on it.
Of your 5 listed players:
Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later.
So lynch an inactive like Kenpachi you think?
I agree with Ace in this sense. Since we have so little information, lynching actives all willy-nilly could be dangerous. Youngminii should be looked at, as well as SiNiquity because of their vague support posts. Kenpachi should definitely be looked at because his vote was very late and he hasn't posted once in the thread.
On October 31 2010 07:16 kitaman27 wrote: I'm open to hearing why I am the 4th scummiest person on your list if you would like to provide a reason DrH.
It's a bit meta, admittedly. Your insistence on pushing a scenario that is pretty far out and meta in an extremely subjective sense struck me as strange considering your mostly logical play in Haunted Mafia.
I am more interested in seeing how you play the rest of the game rather than lynching you.
But you're on my radar so to speak. There are so many numerous tells and Day 1 scumhunting is very weak compared to how well it can be done later in the game so I wouldn't worry too much tbh.
I have a strong feeling about orgolove but I fear I might be blinded by personal bias. I would urge the town to read my latest post in response to him and my previous post here and offer what they think of him as a candidate. If it is unsatisfactory, I'll lynch an inactive voter.
The question is who.
Divineks inactivity strikes me as a bit strange, I'd think he'd be jumping in arguments like this considering the way he plays. He's a smart player who loves to analyse. This is reminding me a bit of how he played haunted mafia which was very low-key and pro-town.
CubEdIn or Kenpachi would be another fair choice.
Here was my post in response to Orgoloves huge dissertation about how awful I am which no one ignored (thanks to Glasse's spam :p)
On October 30 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote: DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: Orgoloves "reality"
Just step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts.
We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will:
Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
Night kill invincibility is not a huge concern for a mafia, the first two powers are the ones we are really concerned with. Invincibility to night kills, however, is something the mafia really worry about since having a townie it in it, much less a mostly confirmed one is a disaster. For them.
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory.
It is hardly a disaster to elect mafia in this game. In fact there are multiple scenarios in which it could benefit the town. This isn't a point I'm trying to make against you. The true power of a mafia mayor comes not from the day 1 lynch (a mafia mayor is most likely to choose the candidate the town wants to avoid pressure/disagreement that could paint him red), but from the increased voting power at the end of the game. Mafia can control bandwagons easier and achieve LYLO faster. 2 increased voting power is an effective mafia increase of 1. A mafia mayor invites role checks and will probably be inducted into the town circle, an immense amount of pressure is placed on him.
When Artanis announced that rolechecks reveal alignment even of the mayor I figured someone would drop out of the race and that person would be a nervous mafia afraid of the pressure. Since that hasn't happened I can only assume that the mafia is a very experienced/ballsy candidate (I admit I fit this bill) or someone who is losing in the polls anyway and is just going to stay in for fear of suspicion.
DrH's candidacy hinges on two points.
His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor. I would say that yes, my role is very useful and that protection can help me perform critical coordination of blues. I can constantly confirm my role to people throughout the game (Not just Day 1) and there are various ways I have shown it can be proven if, say, my poke actually infects somebody or not, both of which are concerns of the town.
It has also been demonstrated by me that if my confirmations are made up, I would have to consistently out scumbuddies. This is a scenario where me as a mafia mayor benefits town immensely in the late game.
His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day. Well not being a red is definitely important and I will use my confirmation power every night unless it is proven to be an insane role that infects people with M-Rus
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis.
Not Mr Sticky, but yes this is true. To make the mechanics as clear as possible.
I poke someone at night. If the person DOES NOT have murrayitis they receive a poke and are told "You have been poked by DoctorHelvetica"
If the person DOES have murrayitis they receive no message and I know they have murrayitis.
On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity.
His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is.
I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky.
sticky is a stick
I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis:
On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis.
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue.
Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few:
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
Just to remind everyone, this is an impossibility. Since my poke goes through under my name, it is my ability.
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
The easy way to confirm is this is for plague doctors to check the people I poke and see if they turn out infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote: I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray.
On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:
Night 3
It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.
Bill Murray the Miller is now dead.
Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims.
I seriously doubt there are clues in a previous games clueless day post to the true nature of my role. While it is obvious my role is inspired by this post, I think the most likely scenario is the one where Artanis was truthful in his role description. All possibilities must be considered, but we could have fun doing this to anybody and it doesn't really make me look bad, it just adds an extra degree of uncertainty.
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on...VERY LIKELY? That's a bit of a stretch. I don't think we should be making conclusions about someones role, that supercede their role PM and description, based on metagaming and individual interpretations of the storyline of a previous game. Does this really seem like the sound and solid reasoning that helps the town? Is this the sort of logic that will "destroy my platform"? I'm sorry but this is absolutely absurd and I'm calling it out. Then DrH pretends to be notified.
On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.
You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game
pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.
I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:
- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people
And the storyline of my role is that with Bill Murray's death I was given new life and immunity to his disease. This is a very basic interpretation and it appears to be the one of Artanis, who is, by the way, the mod of this game. Not you. Your entirely subjective speculation about what my name could or couldn't mean in the vague context of a previous game is utterly USELESS especially given the fact that the possibility of myself being a plaguebearer can be checked. Not to mention the fact that it is impossible for me to currently be infected with M-Rus since the day post says NO ONE IS INFECTED WITH M-RUS.
Did we forget that? Currently, no one is a plaguebearer. This makes me think the role that spreads the disease is something like a mad scientist type role. He isn't infected per se, but has the ability to infect others. This is speculation on my part, but for now the safest assumption is that no one has M-Rus.
To jump from not really knowing anything about it to accusing me of being the M-Rus spreader when my role seems to be designed to everything but it, I have told a few ways in which this can be counteracted, I have offered my life to the town and the lives of those I confirm to in the case that I die and flip mafia, AND the fact that all of this speculation is based on "what if" dream scenarios and previous storylines I think it's safe to say that it is a pretty far out accusation. At best.
On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.
If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet.
However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
You put the word PERSON in there yourself. You inserted that. That's not what Artanis said. That SCREAAAAAAAAAMS wordplay trickery to me.
If Artanis says no one is infect by M-Rus, why can't that mean no one is infected by M-Rus. So because no one is infected by M-Rus, I'm infected by M-Rus? Ridiculous. What should he have said? "No one and a stick has M-Rus yet?" This is baseless bullshit designed to make me look bad. That's all that is. This is garbage.
On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:
On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:
On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.
You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game
pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.
I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:
- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people
On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.
If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
the plot thickens.
however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that.
I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.
again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia
Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~
This is true. I suppose if I were infected my reds only to have them immunized this would be an advantageous play if it weren't for the fact that I'd have to publicly out them and the pattern would be clear pretty quickly, leading to a swift kill of the entire mafia.
The issue with me being mafia is that no matter what happens I've put myself in a position where I must reveal my team to you over the course of the game while being put in a negligible position of power. This is not a rational mafia play which, all things considered, is pretty easy to see.
@Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all.
Nothing is 100% in this game aside from whatever it is somebody flips at death. Unless there is a good neighbor type role, I still feel I have done the most to confirm myself to you guys as being pro-town. It's too bad the mafia have come out to smear me.
On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote: That doesn't confirm your alignment though
On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote: -_-
On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
here is my solution:
if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely)
I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis.
If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke.
this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out.
does that make sense?
And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
I suppose there are an infinite number of scenarios in a game where we don't know somebodies role. I don't think endless hypothetical situations are really a point against me, but this is a good point.
The thing is, we know exactly how many plague-bearers there are at the beginning of each day. Again in this situation, I still have to out members of my team with my confirmation power and I've again made a terrible play for the mafia. If the mafia have plague doctors, then it is unlikely that mafia are the source of infection. I would say impossible. They would merely infect themselves and then immunize themselves and watch M-Rus take over the town and win the game. This is a bullshit scenario.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.
I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion.
If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader
However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted.
Because you hurt my feelings by calling me a liar when you couldn't back it up and insulting me for modding a game which I put a lot of work and my life into and that despite the mistakes I feel proud of. I think anyone could understand why that would upset me.
On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit.
On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol
DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
You merely questioned me? I like how you point out some of the things I said to you (which you never properly defended or refuted, because you can't) and then put it all in a big nice post of bullshit to make me look bad. This is called a chainsaw defense. Defending yourself by attacking your offender.
Why don't I point out the specific parts where you called me a liar based on misunderstandings and then ducked out of the spotlight? Because I'd like to get specific with my criticism, it'd be nice if you could too.
On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote: lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
Disproved this immediately. You never responded. However note that as soon as you thought I had messed up (because you didn't read the thread properly) you were extremely quick not only to call me "out" on it, but to rub a little dirt in my face and try to make me look as shitty as possible. This is not the post of someone who is interested in finding out the truth, this is the post of someone who wants to make me look like a liar whenever he can. It's all in the word choice.
Here is his response. Note how he responds carefully.
On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote:
On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote: lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
In the words of Antoine Dodson
"You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real."
kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis
i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least.
Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_-
I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor.
Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role.
Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc
Part 1: insult me
2: discredit my role
3: try to discredit me based on a hypothetical and no real reason or logic
Well, as though that weren't enough this isn't the first time he tried to make me look like a liar and it was AGAIN based on a misunderstanding.
On October 30 2010 10:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:54 orgolove wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:36 orgolove wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this.
The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement.
It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_-
I really do not know where I supposedly lied regarding this. If you could quote that message I can apologize for it, but I am currently unaware of it.
Sorry, that was directed to DrH, not you.
If you could do the same and point out where I lied that would be great thanks
On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this.
On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement.
I can't trust someone who's so "free" with his supposed" facts."
You're bad
He said that after I posted and asked him to confirm it. Why would I "lie" and then ask the mod to confirm my lie as being false immediately afterward. I even went as far as to qualify what I was saying.
I remembered wrong. Good thing I had the good sense to ask artanis to confirm it and qualify my statement before I tried to pass it off as a fact huh?
That's about all I have to say. You want to criticize me based on past games and say I can't be trusted? How about the time where you took it upon yourself to organize a huge spreadsheet of "facts" that were half wrong? Or the part where you called me out on mistakes that I didn't even make.
Or the two times in this thread you called me out on lies I never told.
Or the times all of your "great accusations" were nonsense. Overreaction? No, I'm not overreacting. I smell bullshit and I'm calling it out.
I already posted what I thought about that post from orgo, even before you responded to it actually. Not sure you saw it, but I basically agreed with you.
On October 31 2010 00:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: I apologize, mods and orgolove, I did not mean to get into personal attacks myself. I'm sorry for attacking and being a hypocrite.
That being said, orgolove, that is a good, constructive analysis that can generate discussion, and discussion we shall have!
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory.
Agreed, it is a decision that needs to be taken heavily into consideration. Electing a Scum-Mayor would suck, but I don't think it's quite as disastrous as you make it out to be. It will give the Mafia a bit more pull and influence, yes, but as long as we don't trust the Mayor completely blindly, we can limit that influence. And yes, a blue as Mayor is always good.
THESIS: So it raises the question, are the benefits greater than the risks?
So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis.
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
This is not all completely true. M-itis does not rely solely on the controlled spread of the Mafia. It is "highly contagious" and will spread to anyone in contact with infected persons. So, if an infected blue watches or investigates, etc. (depending on roles in the game) a Mafia, that Mafia member is also infected. I think some people are forgetting that the Mafia is also at risk to die once the M-itis pops.
Proposed Scenarios: 1. Dr.H is elected and is Town: Having someone who can combat the spread of M-itis while being immune to it (without Plague Doctor protection) and immune to night kills (while bodyguards are alive) is, I believe, very important in this particular game. He can then find out who has M-itis (and simultaneously, his role will be PMd to the poke-ey) and direct the Plague Doctors to give them immunity.
2. Dr.H is elected and is Mafia: He could do all this fake claiming and elaborate planning to get Mafia members to fake his claims. However, this has a couple issues which Dr.H has elaborated on many many times. Would a Mafia really put his neck out there THIS far just to gain night immunity and an extra vote? If there are any blue roles that can kill, it would be much better for the Mafia to remain unsuspected at all, because aside from a lynch, the Mafia won't get killed at night (unless there are blue kills or M-itis). Additionally, if Dr.H had multiple scumbuddies faking his claim for the ruse, well then every time, he has outed a friend, because you can be damn sure that whoever he pokes and comes forward will be scrutinized and probably DT checked. And if we believe that Dr.H is being very scummy, we lynch. The loss of the Mayor would really suck though.
I believe it is, in fact, VERY important to be checking, one-by-one who has M-itis. That is probably the biggest threat in the game (only "probably" because of lack of known roles).
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue.
Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few:
I believe this could be said about any of the candidates. There are so many potential traps with electing any good player to be Mayor. We can't possibly trust anyone in the game, as is the nature of Mafia.
I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion.
If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader
However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted.
DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
I do somewhat agree with you here, but only on the part where Dr.H has gotten increasingly emotional as the thread went on. We do need a Mayor who is a good leader and can take the responsibility of the position. However, I'm not sure I see the other candidates being able to do it as effectively. In my opinion, Dr.H has kept his cool fairly well. He has been stable throughout this game. Dr.H is a very responsible and experienced player, and he has proven himself as a leader, even amongst all of the questioning. I would say that he has been so emotional (I see it as frustrated rather than emotional) because he had said the same things over and over for multiple pages. His campaign has been concrete this whole time, and he offers a lot to the town, with relatively low gain for scum if he is Mafia.
In conclusion, I believe that the election of Dr.H grants more benefits to the town than possible risks if he were Mafia. I think he is a smart choice because of his ability to combat the disease that will most likely destroy many players. The longer we can keep the M-itis explosion at bay, the better off the town will be, and Dr.H's role seems to lend itself very well to that ability.
While I do find him scummy, I'm not sure he should be a Day1 lynch. If we watch him over the next Day or two, we may be able to figure more out about him.
On October 31 2010 07:16 kitaman27 wrote: I'm open to hearing why I am the 4th scummiest person on your list if you would like to provide a reason DrH.
It's a bit meta, admittedly. Your insistence on pushing a scenario that is pretty far out and meta in an extremely subjective sense struck me as strange considering your mostly logical play in Haunted Mafia.
I am more interested in seeing how you play the rest of the game rather than lynching you.
mmk, not to pursue a dead issue or anything, but what far out scenario was I pushing? I'm not sure I recall.
I'm sorry and I feel dumb about this but I'll fess up. I meant to write kingjames01 on my little notepad list, but I did it later and since your names both begin with k and were both on the same scumteam I got you two confused.
I was pretty intoxicated last night so hopefully town won't tear me apart for this.
On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching?
I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation
that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum.
Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words.
Not at all. There are players that have grilled me just as much and to much better effect than you. The difference is I don't think they are scum. You don't threaten me, you just reek of scum.
If you want to talk about the nastiness of personal grudges how about the one that leads you to insult me twice in a row even though Artanis told you to stop once? Hypocrite.
See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran."
Worst argument ever. So I shouldn't ever change my mind in light of new information? In light of the game continuing on and better candidates presenting themselves? Don't be absurd. This "point" is trash.
Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left?
Because I can only decide the day 1 lynch and I have no killing power :D
And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," just sticky, not mr sticky whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy Not really, just myself and it would be very easy to catch me in a lie. 2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS What do you mean by this? Plague doctors?
And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game.
So lets just let the plague happen no big deal right?
There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor.
That is very well possible, but it looks like I'm being elected. Blame the voters not me.
I also like that you didn't respond to my post a few pages back where I completely obliterated your terrible "criticism".
Here I'll go ahead and do it again.
"Terrible criticism"? Lol, I can count at least several of the players here that appreciated the points I raised. And yet you try to rile me up with your own insults! "this point is trash" AHAHA how childish can you be?
On October 31 2010 07:27 Nemesis wrote: Orgolove sounds like veldril last game
Either orgolove is a bad townie or scum, at this point I really can't tell.
In the last game that orgolove was pro-town he was very nice and played an extremely objective game. He dealt only in facts, he messed some up (Not hard to do in such a large game) but pretty much played the role of "numbers guy"
These erratic attacks, intense focus on me, and antagonistic behavior just strikes me as a total 360 spin from how he played before.
Interesting. So questioning a mayoral candidate counts as being a "bad townie"? "Antagonistic behavior"? I'm more suspicious of Nemesis and your connection to DrH, given how you immediately come to defense via trying to paint me as a scum.
If criticizing the reasons behind your list counts as an insult to you, then this is just hopeless. As I said, please do lynch me if I am your top suspect. If you are so petty as to lynch someone based on your personal grudges, then I rest my case - the town will see the light eventually.
Chill with the namecalling man.
There is a big difference between "questioning a mayoral candidate" and attacking him. When Dr.H announced his campaign, I started questioning him quite a lot, and I still have been, trying to find what's up. You have stepped way over the line that separates questioning from assaulting. And ever since, you keep trying to make it seem harmless.
On October 31 2010 07:48 Infundibulum wrote: I still think Dr H should choose to lynch Pandain, Fishball, or bumatlarge. I feel that we're more likely to hit a mafia from the group of candidates than the group of inactives.
I think that's very high-risk, high-reward. The front runner candidates, if not scum, might be blues with very valuable roles (except DrH, who seems to be winning because his claim gave up a lot of information). It makes sense that those of us who consider their roles very powerful would run for mayor as well.
"High-risk, high-reward" is exactly how I would put it. I do think you're right, there is a good chance one of them is mafia. However, I'm not sure we should take such a big risk on Day1.
On October 31 2010 07:56 orgolove wrote: Anyways, perhaps you guys have noticed, I was supportive of Fishball from the start. I was hoping to reveal this once EVERYONE was here.
But as Fishball mentioned, the deadline is coming up, and yet half the circle has not responded, we have to go forward with what we have and adapt.
So here, I reveal this: I am a part of Fishball's circle. The following are some of our PM exchanges. Please read starting from the bottom. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: That's actually not my first roles power. All I've said is that my role is crucial to the circle.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: You might want to mention your statement about "first job" being weeding out the mafia in the circle as a response to DrH's latest statement.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: not yet.
if possible, please wait for my green light.
things might be different now when the mayor can be role/alignment checked.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: Should I reveal myself as a part of the circle? I want to wait for everyone but what's your thoughts?
So there you have it. The circle exists exactly as Fishball described. We 6 do not know each other's roles or alignments, but we definitely know who each other are, and can PM each other. If Fishball is elected, his original plan is very viable.
Ok, a step in the right direction.
I believe that his original plan is probably still very viable, even without being Mayor.
Question though: Why is Fishball calling the shots in the circle?
On October 31 2010 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A lightning bolt comes from the sky. After several warnings from the gods, Orgolove in an ADD attack insulted them yet again.
You are the ADD Doctor! Once per night, you may PM me the person you want to save that night. However, if the person doesn't get hit at night, you get an ADD attack and have a 10% chance of killing him yourself, so be careful! You are not allowed to protect yourself, as you are paranoid that you might kill yourself. Furthermore, given the recent spreading of Murrayitis, you have trained yourself in being able to cure a person from this plague.
Extra notes - Would actually never kill his victim. Any complaints with this can be taken up in PM or in the TL Mafia ban thread.
On October 31 2010 07:59 infinitestory wrote: WHAT THE-
things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck.
any thoughts? Read artanis' orgolove-modkill post carefully: he notes that even thought the role PM states a 10% chance of killing the target, he reveals that it's actually a 0% chance.
I wouldn't call it lying, I would call it misleading. But I do believe that more than just orgo's role could have hidden components to it.
On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.
SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.
I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.
There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D
Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.
I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts: 1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation. 2.I'm one of the running canidates.
Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me.
The fact that people voted for you without sufficient explanation is exactly why you are under suspicion. What reason would they have to vote for you at all? There were plenty of candidates that started running (myself and ghrur to name a couple off the top of my head) that got no votes. Why would they choose you without any good reason to?
On October 31 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote: LOL THE BOOGER. well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia?
also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~
Zomg he speaks!
It looks like the Elder guy's vote came in before the Anon-Mafia vote, so I don't think they are the same person. That's not to say that the Elder isn't Mafia, it just appears to be a different player. That being said, why would Artanis name one of them Elder and one Anon-Mafia? So I think the Elder is probably town. But I know, I know, it's Insane Mafia...
On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.
SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.
I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.
I don't really care at this point, so go ahead. I got some rehashed weak role that has no interesting mechanics what-so-ever anyway. I'm ultimately green (as opposed to blue) -_-
You should start questioning your confidence more though if you're more confident I'm scum (esp after this stupid orgo shit which, btw, I think was mod-killed for 'childish' reasons, but w/e). I don't care to get involved in day 1 shenanigans, I never do, primarily because the thread moves far too fast for me to keep up with the little amount of time I devote to these games. As for my vote, I moved it from Fish to you because I thought you had a powerful role (certainly more powerful than the allsuive "my role is 'critical'" shit Fish was selling) only to find out I just bought a shamwow
I hate that you must martyred yourself. I don't know if this is a mafia player to get me to switch my kill or if you really just don't give a shit about this game. If the latter is the case then I should probably lynch YM instead.
Not only that, but it frustrates me when people want to play, and then get mad they didn't get a fun role, and screw the rest of the players over.
Guys, I don't think that ShmotZ was the anon-Mafia vote. If he was, I don't think he would be modkilled, because Artanis would have reminded him to vote publicly as well. It doesn't really make sense that he would be modkilled.
On October 31 2010 22:21 Ace wrote: I don't see anything that says youngminii is immune to a lynch. I think that was people jumping to wild conclusions.
Suggest an alternative that explains how youngminii dodged a lynch.
Someone could have a role that protects someone of their choosing from getting lynched. If that's the case, then youngminii could definitely be Mafia and have a scumbuddy protecting his ass.
On October 31 2010 10:33 Misder wrote: Is the bodygaurd's only extra function to prevent any mafia hits on the mayor?
It prevents the Mayor from being hit at night.
not quite true, the bodyguard can do more than that from what you have told me
Could you please point out to where I said this? Assume what I just said about them to be correct though.
Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.
On October 31 2010 11:49 DCLXVI wrote: And got artanis to confirm my role if someone can guess it
What do you think this is revealing? Is DC alluding that he is the bodyguard? Or does he have some sort of action that could target the Mayor during the day? We should figure this out soon in case we need to give him medic protection.
I believe Coag suspects DC to be the bodyguard, and so elegantly put it as such:
On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote: 2. you have a moron for a bodyguard
While I wouldn't use those choice of words, I have to agree somewhat. DC, if you are bodyguard, outing yourself was probably not the smartest thing to do. You don't want people to know you're the bodyguard.
I hate waiting for Night 1 to end, almost everything we say is pure speculation.
So why don't we start with the things that we DO know (feel free to add to the list): 1. Dr.H as been elected our Mayor. 2. Dr.H can't be killed while his bodyguards are still alive. 3. Youngminii somehow avoided the Mayor's lynch, and SiNiquity was killed instead. 4. There are 3 players remaining in Fishball's circle, including Fishball. 5. One of the modkills was a Mafia who was in the circle. 6. There appears to be a role that has a second vote, which shows up as an Elder vote. 7. An anonymous Mafia's vote did not count because of a booger-flinger, what this implies, I have no idea.
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
Bodyguards are not told who the other Bodyguards are.
I do not know for sure if DC is a Bodyguard... it is possible that he is not. My suspicion is that he is, though.
On November 01 2010 04:28 youngminii wrote: Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
I'm only going on what I received in the PM. As of now, I am operating under the assumption that there are 2 Bodyguards. Unless someone brings up evidence to the contrary, (i.e. DC's role being revealed) I will keep that claim.
Perhaps I am being deceived here, but I honestly cannot say.
I know you aren't told who the other bodyguard is, but were you told that another one exists?
What reason do you have to operate under the assumption of two bodyguards?
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
Bodyguards are not told who the other Bodyguards are.
I do not know for sure if DC is a Bodyguard... it is possible that he is not. My suspicion is that he is, though.
On November 01 2010 04:28 youngminii wrote: Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
I'm only going on what I received in the PM. As of now, I am operating under the assumption that there are 2 Bodyguards. Unless someone brings up evidence to the contrary, (i.e. DC's role being revealed) I will keep that claim.
Perhaps I am being deceived here, but I honestly cannot say.
I know you aren't told who the other bodyguard is, but were you told that another one exists?
What reason do you have to operate under the assumption of two bodyguards?
I was not told that another exists.
Again, all I have to go on is the idea that DCXLVI (God, what a hard name to remember) basically roleclaimed. However, my belief was that if he was killed by the Mafia, the Mafia would target the influential, outspoken people so far, of which I happen to be one (maybe bias here, but whatevs). By keeping my role a secret, I wouldn't know when the Mafia might try and nightkill me, so my ability to predict an attack and set sail would be hampered. By letting the Mafia know, I can set a schedule on which I can alternate between sailing and Medic protection to stall for time.... at least until I run out of uses for my role.
I...*sigh*
Bodyguards want to be secret, once they are out in the open, they are so much more vulnerable. I do understand your logic, but just think about it. Now, since the Mafia knows of your identity, they could very easily role block you (assuming there is a role blocker) and kill you the same night. They have a 50/50 shot at getting it, more than enough odds to be comfortable doing so. Once you're gone, Dr.H is up for grabs. I honestly think claiming was not a smart move.
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
Bodyguards are not told who the other Bodyguards are.
I do not know for sure if DC is a Bodyguard... it is possible that he is not. My suspicion is that he is, though.
On November 01 2010 04:28 youngminii wrote: Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
I'm only going on what I received in the PM. As of now, I am operating under the assumption that there are 2 Bodyguards. Unless someone brings up evidence to the contrary, (i.e. DC's role being revealed) I will keep that claim.
Perhaps I am being deceived here, but I honestly cannot say.
I know you aren't told who the other bodyguard is, but were you told that another one exists?
What reason do you have to operate under the assumption of two bodyguards?
I was not told that another exists.
Again, all I have to go on is the idea that DCXLVI (God, what a hard name to remember) basically roleclaimed. However, my belief was that if he was killed by the Mafia, the Mafia would target the influential, outspoken people so far, of which I happen to be one (maybe bias here, but whatevs). By keeping my role a secret, I wouldn't know when the Mafia might try and nightkill me, so my ability to predict an attack and set sail would be hampered. By letting the Mafia know, I can set a schedule on which I can alternate between sailing and Medic protection to stall for time.... at least until I run out of uses for my role.
I...*sigh*
Bodyguards want to be secret, once they are out in the open, they are so much more vulnerable. I do understand your logic, but just think about it. Now, since the Mafia knows of your identity, they could very easily role block you (assuming there is a role blocker) and kill you the same night. They have a 50/50 shot at getting it, more than enough odds to be comfortable doing so. Once you're gone, Dr.H is up for grabs. I honestly think claiming was not a smart move.
My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights.
Yeah, it may not have been the smartest move to make, but this is only my second Mafia game. Last game, I was far more reticent than I am now... I'm trying to compare playstyles. = /
Ah, ok, I missed the fine print.
But the fact that you are operating under the assumption there is another hidden guard is really dangerous.
On November 01 2010 06:57 Coagulation wrote: well regardless we need to get to the bottom of the youngminii thing somehow i think thats the point hes trying to make. i still feel like there is a good possibility that his ability is either a red ability or he was saved by a red allie. i dont want this to just blow under the radar
Yes, we have to figure out this whole youngminii thing. We have to figure out a LOT of things at this point, but we have no information yet. I'd like to bring up a post I made a page or two back that was lost in the conversation:
On November 01 2010 04:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: I hate waiting for Night 1 to end, almost everything we say is pure speculation.
So why don't we start with the things that we DO know (feel free to add to the list): 1. Dr.H as been elected our Mayor. 2. Dr.H can't be killed while his bodyguards are still alive. 3. Youngminii somehow avoided the Mayor's lynch, and SiNiquity was killed instead. 4. There are 3 players remaining in Fishball's circle, including Fishball. 5. One of the modkills was a Mafia who was in the circle. 6. There appears to be a role that has a second vote, which shows up as an Elder vote. 7. An anonymous Mafia's vote did not count because of a booger-flinger, what this implies, I have no idea.
On November 01 2010 05:18 Fishball wrote: Just a wee bit if info, in case something does happen to me.
- One of the remaining members have already role claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well. - The other member have not replied to me yet, and does not know of my role. He also does not know of the member's role who have role claimed to me. - It is possible that there is still one more Mafia in this circle (if both of them are Mafia, then it doesn't really matter...), especially if one of them die (not me, as I'm already out in the open), unless Mafia just got "lucky" and hit one of them. Regardless, if this case happens, I will have to come forward and announce who is the remaining member and go forth with the investigation.
Did everyone miss this post? What the hell does "claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well." mean?
By PM?
...
Fishball is in a pre-made circle in which there were 6 members. They can PM each other, but they are not told each other's roles from the start. Orgolove was in the circle, as were QuickStriker and ShmotZ. There are 3 people left in the circle (I guess a triangle now). Where have you been???
On November 01 2010 07:33 CubEdIn wrote: O...kay. stop it. Got it.
And yeah I have been trying to follow but there's SO MUCH SPAM and wrecking havok. I go out for 3 hours, I come back to 10 pages. That's too much.
Haunted was worse with the Time: Posts ratio...
It does seem like there are a bunch of people missing very key events though.
I don't feel so. It's been one night, one day here, and there are almost 50% of the posts that were in Haunted mafia (in total, it's ~1370 to ~2820). So yeah.
And I might have skimmed over the discussion, but since I wasn't aware of the NO PM rule (see my mistake early in night1) it must've just felt "normal" to me, just a bunch of people arguing.
And you'll see what I mean as spam when 6 ppl reply the same thing to my question.
Not saying that I don't like activity, but I read every single post in haunted, and with this I feel overwhelmed. I'll try to keep up.
That is one thing I forgot. Since all the town discussion must take place in the thread, it stacks up quite a bit more.
On November 01 2010 07:42 infinitestory wrote: Lexpar, I have no idea why you would roleclaim. Even if you die now, we can no longer make any deductions about DrH's townieness. Since it's almost certainly your role that induced you to say that, if you had died we would have seen your role and been able to make the conclusion anyway. god why did you roleclaim ugh
He didn't claim, did he? Just said a seemingly scummy comment that leads us no where...
On November 01 2010 07:42 infinitestory wrote: Lexpar, I have no idea why you would roleclaim. Even if you die now, we can no longer make any deductions about DrH's townieness. Since it's almost certainly your role that induced you to say that, if you had died we would have seen your role and been able to make the conclusion anyway. god why did you roleclaim ugh
He didn't claim, did he? Just said a seemingly scummy comment that leads us no where...
*not roleclaim ugh, but he made a comment very revealing about his role IMO
...and what does it reveal about his role? Excuse me if I didn't get it as quickly as you, but did I miss something?
On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote: @DH Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town?
Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me.
Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet...
I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game.
On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis.
I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked.
On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote: @DH Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town?
Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me.
Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet...
I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game.
On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis.
I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked.
Did you receive any other night actions?
Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv.
On November 01 2010 09:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's actually pretty likely that the mafia roleblocked DocH because it sets up this position of distrust we find ourselves in. As a result we're going to be deadlocked until DocH is proved one way or another. Gonna spoiler the next part because it's pretty far fetched + Show Spoiler +
Could DocH be the elder and not know it? So far he's the only person to have confirmed interaction with jcarl
That doesn't really make much sense, because the Elder vote was for Dr.H on Day 1. Unless it's some convoluted role that votes for yourself for mayor and then you poke and they get vote and... ahhhhh. Sounds way too complicated to be true.
On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote: Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance.
Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard.
So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim.
I think what really needs to happen is 666 needs to come forward and tell us what is going on. We are only speculating that he softclaimed bodyguard, but I'm not completely sure that's the case. It could just be something related.
On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote: DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.
I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case.
that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0%
re read the sentence
I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.
Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses.
On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote: DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.
I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case.
that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0%
re read the sentence
I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.
Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses.
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
EBWODP
There is obviously nothing stopping me from lying, but is there any evidence to show that I would lie?
I supported your campaign, and I have been pro-town the whole time. Why would I then want to through you under the bus?
I knew when I saw that it would come down to my confirmation that people would find it a possibility that I would be lying, but I'm not. I don't know if there is any evidence that would suggest I lied.
On November 01 2010 11:30 Pandain wrote: It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane. Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility. Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him.
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain? For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.
See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point. Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
While I don't necessarily like being suspected, I don't feel like Dr.H was accusing me. He was bringing up a potential scenario, which is very legitimate. This is something I and many others were doing to him while he was campaigning. I appreciate the soft defense Pandain, but I don't think it's necessary to blow it out of proportion. It is reasonable for him to bring up scenarios that would discredit him.
On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct?
In essence, yes.
That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did.
Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia.
However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.
By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed?
On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct?
In essence, yes.
That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did.
Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia.
However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.
By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed?
On October 31 2010 10:28 infinitestory wrote: Will the bodyguard be PM'd and informed that he is the bodyguard? Is that going to be added to his role, or will bodyguarding replace his original role?
He will be informed of being a Bodyguard. This will not replace his original role. The mayor is not informed of who he is.
Thanks, I thought a mod said it, but I didn't want to be mistaken and then misquoted.
On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke
Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim.
Would you like to just go ahead and accuse me of making up the role of sticky altogether?
Don't you think confirming that my role does what it says I does does quite a bit? It confirms the sticky exists and that I am the sticky, it would prove I wasn't lying about my role and my confirmation power.
Dr.H, I think a more important part of this post is "that what you say your role does = 100% of your role?"
Do I suspect that you are holding any part of your role apart from us? Probably not, you have described your role pretty greatly, and I think any other powers added to it would be OP. However, I do think this is a necessary precaution to think about, and infinitestory is probably wise to do so.
On November 01 2010 12:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: Question: In a traditional game with role-blockers, can they role-block the same player twice in a row? Or are there restrictions on that?
In traditional games, they can not roleblock the same player twice in a row. This is in no way a promise for this game or acknowledge the existence of any at all.
it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity. Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.
On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And again
Again I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.
On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again. Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.
Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.
i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you
cute addition ;o you're so snarky
anyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place
I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth? I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not. how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have.
Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too.
Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing.
And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_-
But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits.
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P).
This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H
On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated.
On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go Aeres: 3 Ace youngminii bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote
One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum.
On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him.
I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. [b[If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out.
Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name
[/b]
The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love?
On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum.
On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him.
I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out.
Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name
The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love?
On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: The last game I played in I believe it was Ace and L who argued just like pandain and Doc throughout the entire game. I (being lazy) ignored them, and found out at the end of the game one of them was mafia attacking the other relentlessly in order to make the town stop listening and not suspect him of being mafia. I don't think that we should make the mistake of ignoring these two because as I see it one of them is highly likely to be scum.
On the subject of aeres, I am very confused as to why he thought it was a good idea to lie about him being bodyguard. Sure he thought I roleclaimed and wanted to draw attention away from me, but the mafia have 2 kp at least every night. That doesn't mean that I won't die. Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him.
I think that node just confirmed me being townie - mafia placing a hit on me if he is telling the truth, if he is lying then he gets lynched. I am not sure whether my role is strong enough to warrant risking a Doctor to a potential suicide bomber. If I survive longer my role will be more effective, but very dependent on the choices the town makes and my judgement. Obviously I would like to survive this night, but even if node is not lying I could be suicide bombed in the hopes of catching a doctor. So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim, but like I said I have given enough hints to figure it out.
Also I loled at the page of discussion over my name. I don't even need to post to create useless talk. Pro mafia name
The first thing that comes to mind as something that gets more powerful late game is a role with additional votes. Plus that would rely on the choices of town and the judgement of the player? Could this be the mysterious Elder voter we all know and love?
EBWOP
lol no I've been at work for the past 10 hours or so (well before I posted first this "day")
Hah, it's just something to think about. My mind has so many things processing about this game at the moment, what harm is adding one more? ;P
On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim
You're going to die anyway. Unless the mafia are allowed to move the hit?
So now it's more of a question of "should he risk taking blues down with him?" He himself says he's not sure his role is important enough to do so.
On November 01 2010 13:19 DCLXVI wrote: Wait so you guys think a doctor cannot save me from this supposed hit? why? I really don't want to die just yet
I believe you probably can be saved. But it could be dangerous if we try, because it could be a suicide bomber set up or something of the sort.
On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote: Alright, basically Doc here's the thing
You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important.
No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing.
On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours.
But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock.
You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor.
The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much. Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed. What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/ But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous. Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable. Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while.
Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you.
That is why I am voting you
Too bad your vote didn't even go through lol
so many colors.............
also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
It's not devolving, it just hasn't gone anywhere at all. You both are saying the same thing over and over, and I think it needs to stop for now.
That being said, I want to make sure the town doesn't just feel too secure with Dr.H (youngminii is too secure imo, a bit suspicious). This shouldn't just drop off the face of the game, but at the same time, I think new issues should be looked at for the time being. This argument between you two is getting the town nowhere.
On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote: regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll notice youngminii was actually pro-DH when DH was arguing with Pandain. I haven't brought this up explicitly, but since you're already talking about him, I might as well add in.
On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Come to think of it, have anyone ever though of the possible link between Radio LOONY and Glasse? I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face, but it was him posting in the haunted thread that reminded me and ring the bell.
On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.
What about Radio LOONY?
Broadcaster by a player within the game. My plan was to make that more clear though LSB posted it a little early.
Whether or not this is a Mafia aligned player, we can't know for sure, but in my mind, it makes sense that this would be a scum role.
On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm sorry about this I had a busy weekend and I am trying to catchup as best as possible... I was reading up until Day 2 carefully and then I woke up to a bunch of new posts, so if things have been rejected/accepted I apologize...
On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote: Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^
You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty.
I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town."
1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied.
If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he.
Totally agree. However I'm trying to understand the possibility of the mafia outting someone as a "bodyguard." What are the benefits? -Aeres would be 'lynchproof.' -DrH has to sit knowing that his "BG" is out in the open? Puts pressure on him?
Why else would someone want to do that.
It looks like he made a mistake. And I'm more inclined to believe InfiniteStory on this one. Up to this post I am 50/50 about lynching him.
I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..).
Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar.
Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment...
On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote: You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.
@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo.
I hope not, but we can always test this scenario down the road
On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.
a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself.
What if a DT can't check you? We don't know what you _should_ come back even if you were checked. We would waste a check figuring out of we can actually check you. I won't be throwing a FoS on you though since it's ridiculous to make that call by Day 2. There's so much behind the last day that could account for the failures of the lynch and the first night that we're not even aware of. It will ruin discussion by dwelling on it.
It has already been confirmed by Artanis that Dr.H can be DT checked.
For example, he should come back as Mayor Stick assuming he hasn't lied about his role.
On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote: regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll notice youngminii was actually pro-DH when DH was arguing with Pandain. I haven't brought this up explicitly, but since you're already talking about him, I might as well add in.
On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me.
I know I'm quoting out of context, but to me, this is a big no-no, and I would never say something like that.
On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Come to think of it, have anyone ever though of the possible link between Radio LOONY and Glasse? I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face, but it was him posting in the haunted thread that reminded me and ring the bell.
On November 01 2010 20:43 Glasse wrote: I say useful stuff once in a while
im like 3 faced
1/3 normal cat 1/3 crazy cat 1/3 serious cat
Regardless of Glasse's role/alignment, I just can't seem to ignore this possible link.
Yes, we have considered this possibility. We have no idea, but Artanis said this:
On November 01 2010 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 01 2010 12:02 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.
What about Radio LOONY?
Broadcaster by a player within the game. My plan was to make that more clear though LSB posted it a little early.
Whether or not this is a Mafia aligned player, we can't know for sure, but in my mind, it makes sense that this would be a scum role.
I don't think i'd be dumb enough to point to myself as red with a radio message... It might be a scum role though. Some of you really think i'm an idiot.
I never said I thought LOONY was you, but it is someone trying to look like you, or at least reference you.
I don't think you're an idiot, I think you're very entertaining, lol
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote: ##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.
I don't even... What?
I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.
Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote: ##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.
I don't even... What?
I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.
Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.
As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.
See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions.
But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?
On November 02 2010 01:00 Glasse wrote: I don't see how lynching you now that the damage has been done is a smart idea, unless you are red trying to make us think you are town by offering yourself and hoping people like me and jcarl react the way we are reacting right now.
This is confusing
purr :3
I've considered this, obviously, and I do think it is quite possible. Which is why I won't be forgetting it, but I'm not gonna get hung up on it either.
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote: ##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.
I don't even... What?
I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.
Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.
As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.
See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions.
But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?
You know what, you're right. I'm not gonna give (you) up, because I'd just be letting (you) down and deserting (you) the town. My lack of defense is spineless at best.
When I get home from school and can stop using my iPhone to make posts, I'll do some analyses on fishy players. Until then, I'm unvoting myself.
10 POINTS FROM AERES
I cannot let you get away with rick rolling so easily
On November 02 2010 03:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is anyone willing to consider the possibility that mafia aren't the ones spreading the plague? A lot of people are operating the assumption that mafia are the ones spreading M-rus (as did I, originally interpreting 2+1 as 2 killers + 1 m-rus spreader) but we already know that's not the case since 3 die in a night and because of nodes role
I feel like the +1 kill may be something from the mods. Since Node "forsees" the death of one player each day, this could be controlled by Artanis. How it works, I have no idea. In Brownbear's death, it says he just dropped dead. Yes there could be some hints in the post, but this is the death that Node predicted.
I am not forgetting the possibility that Node is Mafia and knows who will die each day, but it seems that Brownbear just died, not that he was killed by anyone.
On November 02 2010 08:27 infinitestory wrote: 1) There may not be a godfather. That's true. But it's better IMO to operate under the assumption that there is, rather than the assumption that there isn't. If there is a godfather, and we assume there isn't, that can be devastating. If there isn't a godfather, and we assume there is, then the harm is less.
2) We're not assuming M-Rus is a mafia ability. M-RUS IS A MAFIA ABILITY.
On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mayor Artanis of Insania was quickly overwhelmed by the effects of Murrayitis. It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town.
3) I find it ever so slightly contradictory that you campaigned based on "I can confirm 100% my role, but none of the other candidates can confirm 100% that they're blue." But now, once you're elected mayor, you're pushing the idea that all of the main candidates are blue, without even a single confirmation. If you trust that there are no reds amongst the main mayor candidates, you should trust Pandain too, right?
Thank you!! I was looking for this earlier because I could have sworn I remembered reading something like that, but I must have missed it when I was skimming the Day1 post. I was starting to think that maybe it wasn't a Mafia power, but it seems that it is =(
Regarding the Aeres/youngminii bandwagons: I hate bandwagons...it really shows that some people aren't thinking for themselves, and it really lets Mafia hide behind the votes.
I would like to take a closer look at people like Lexpar and Kenpachi - their posts have no real content, and they lurk somewhat.
Kenpachi claims to only read posts with his name, which is possible, but as soon as his name pops up, he just tries to brush it away saying he's lazy and such.
Lexpar is very fishy to me. His posts have only generated confusion, even though they are few and far between. One post before night ended said "If I die, Dr.H is most likely red." I want to know more about this. Why? What reason should we ever have to believe this? To me, this just seems like scum trying to throw Dr.H under the bus with no content. This is probably worse than the awful argument between Dr.H and Pandain. Lexpar needs to tell us more.
On November 02 2010 12:40 Lexpar wrote: Basically you're asking me to role claim, which I'd rather not do.
I wanted to help the town. My role, on that night, would have left me dead if Dr.H was red. I'm now fairly confident that he isn't. I'd say 90%. I did post my comment a little early, so it's possible that I was role-blocked, or maybe some other ability was deployed that negated mine. I find those less than likely.
It was said that by making my post (If I die tonight the Doc is scum) I was negating that post. You guys automatically assumed that by posting I would die and you'd have to deal with the fact that either I was lying as a red and framing DocH or was telling the truth. You didn't consider the fact that I might live through the night. As it happens I am alive. I'm interested as to what you guys think of that.
I'll say that if I die from now on out DocH had nothing to do with it (Unless of course he votes to lynch me :p).
I hope that helps explain things a bit.
I wasn't asking you to role claim, this is pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear from you. Elaboration is the town's friend.
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote: hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight! we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!
who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....
Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?
Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.
Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.
At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..
hmm.
Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?
Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.
I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote: oh wtf, im almost at 2000? screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.
Don't expect me to post for a while :p
I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.
On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote: hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight! we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!
who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....
Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?
Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.
Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.
At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..
hmm.
Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?
Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.
I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.
Eye of Suspicion
That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time
(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice
there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.
Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...
I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...
On November 02 2010 12:48 Beneather wrote: That was a very confusing post right there. From what evidence did you have that DocH and what was the point of saying that if you die DocH was a scum. The part that I do not understand in your post is that your changing your mind. That you do not want to be killed so you may be a scum for "trying to frame DocH" But as you notice that DocH may not be killed since the topic has changed on to different suspects you have changed your mind because you wanted DocH to be killed. This may be the evidence that you are a scum.
Sorry if this did not make sense its my first time!
huh? can you word this better?
Alright I shall try.
From lexpar post he had changed his mind from saying that if he dies DocH was scum without any information towards his statement. Trying to put the people's attention towards DocH (In my head trying to lynch him) But once the topic had changed from DocH to the other suspects he had changed his mind posting again to clarify this. In my head I am thinking that he was trying to get rid of DocH so we have lost a mayor and that he was an important role. If you look at his other posts he has just been accusing people with little background to support his statements. If you do accuse somebody should you not have background against them?
This is much harder than I expected but gets the brain thinking and is fun nonetheless
I didn't see it as trying to get Doc lynched that night, but if Lex died, then Doc should be looked at to be lynched Day 2.
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote: oh wtf, im almost at 2000? screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.
Don't expect me to post for a while :p
I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.
On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote: hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight! we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!
who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....
Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?
Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.
Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.
At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..
hmm.
Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?
Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.
I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.
Eye of Suspicion
That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time
(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice
there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.
Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...
I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...
so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people? really? thats as anti town as it gets.
Was I accusing him? No.
I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.
Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote: oh wtf, im almost at 2000? screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.
Don't expect me to post for a while :p
I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.
On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote: [quote] Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?
Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.
Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.
At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..
hmm.
Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?
Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.
I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.
Eye of Suspicion
That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time
(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice
there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.
Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...
I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...
so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people? really? thats as anti town as it gets.
Was I accusing him? No.
I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.
Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.
im not trying to paint you anti town. but dont pretend that trying to put eye of suspicion on people because you feel left out is a good way to help town.
Feeling left out isn't the lead persuasion for wanting to search for other targets. Wanting to expand the discussion is.
While I know it is likely there are some blues lurking/being inactive, I would say that it is almost certain there are lurking mafia. This scares me because they can just sit back while people like Doc/Pandain/YM/infinite bicker and split the town into to halves.
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote: oh wtf, im almost at 2000? screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.
Don't expect me to post for a while :p
I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.
On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote: [quote] Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?
Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.
Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.
At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..
hmm.
Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?
Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.
I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.
Eye of Suspicion
That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time
(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice
there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.
Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...
I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...
so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people? really? thats as anti town as it gets.
Was I accusing him? No.
I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.
Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.
im not trying to paint you anti town. but dont pretend that trying to put eye of suspicion on people because you feel left out is a good way to help town.
But also, I can see how you felt the way you did. I apologize.
On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote: Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though.
Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not. Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well.
I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that.
What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along.
Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect.
I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick.
I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not?
On November 02 2010 21:30 Glasse wrote: Why would a red be able to post a small message on the day post?
Also, the red being able to post in the day post would be very suited to the mafia cause. It can cause suspicion and confusion in the town. This is exactly what mafia wants to do. Ever since I saw it, I have been under the implication that LOONY is scum.
On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote: More of a role claim than slip i thought
i work at a radio
What, so you the cat was you lol, that was a pretty random roleclaim.
I'm thinking there's a pretty clear connection between Aeres and jcarl, namely that jcarl does not want to touch the Aeres thing at all while he goes and basically goes and points fingers at every other person.
I mean, Aeres just said he 'can't post much because of schoolwork'. He's meant to be defending himself. My vote's going to stick with Aeres.
The main reason I don't want to touch the aeres issue is because I feel like it has been beaten into the ground far enough. It is clear that he should be seriously considered, but I'm also wondering if, through all the arguing, we have overlooked something big.
However, I did notice him saying he had a lot of school stuff and that seems very suspicious to me. It seems like he's just trying to duck out, and that might be what will convince me to vote for him.
On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote: BLAARH BLAHBLAH BLARBBLAB LBLABLARBLAR BLAHBLAH BLERP BLA BLARPLRAPRLBALERRR
Dude...
On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote: I feel like you are red now because i'm obviously town. And i can prove it.
Oh really now? I'm interested.
On November 02 2010 18:22 CubEdIn wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote: Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though.
Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not.
Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well.
I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that.
What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along.
Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect.
I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick.
I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not?
I claimed about 7 hours into night 1, after DrH was elected. I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo.
Oh yes, I do remember that. Sorry.
As for LAL, I don't think it's a good general policy to have all the time. However, this was a massive lie that hurt way more than it helped. I believe aeres will be getting my vote.
On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote: I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia I'd love to hear him on this though
I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T
Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me.
On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.
I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too.
If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run.
And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it...
In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them.
Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information.
So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?
On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote: That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.
^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously.
Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.
Why would blatant lying (and twice I should add) ever benefit the town when it clearly did nothing but cause chaos? It's like getting a pass for fucking with the town. If we allow it then mafia has one more escape route. It's not so much about the fact that we need to punish somebody for lying, but that now if we don't lynch him we will never know his true intentions. We'll be wondering and wondering why he is not getting hit night after night. The mafia knows he's not a bodyguard, but they know enough that he's going to be an asset for them to keep around later. He will be their scapegoat when the time comes. If he's mafia then we're just one lucky freaking town.
I agree that LAL should not be the end all be all of Mafia strategies, but in this case, I think we should lynch him for lying. Amber is right, if the Mafia sees that a liar is getting away with it, they can use that to their advantage. It has to be shown that lying will not be taken lightly.
On November 03 2010 01:38 Glasse wrote: Also just the fact that you think i'm red even more than before makes me think you are not the sharpest tool in the box. If i was red i would not have wasted the opportunity to cause chaos.
I agree with this.
Good to see you actually making constructive posts now Glasse =P
On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote: i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely.
I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres.
I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role.
Judas = ?
judas is a town role that becomes mafia when lynched, it is in opposition to saulus that is mafia and becomes town when lynched
the other role I know that avoids its first lynch is "unlynchable"
I agree with you there Coag, youngminii and Ace definitely look fairly suspicious to me now. They pushed really hard to support LAL and get rid of him. On the upside, he did not lie about his Cruiseship Captain role, which was pretty much a self-preservation role, so we didn't lose anything TOO detrimental to the town.
@Dr.H: At least Judas isn't as dangerous to the town as Saulus is to the Mafia. Since there aren't PMs, I'm not sure he can tell them anything they don't already know.
On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote: i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely.
I don't agree...
Youngminii claimed soon after Fishball's death that he is the newest added member to the circle. Fishball's post also hinted that youngminii is possibly the newest member given youngminii's unwillingness to release he role.
On November 02 2010 14:17 Fishball wrote: One last update before I go to sleep.
- We have 4 members in the circle now, including myself. We all know who each other are. - 2 members have role claimed to me, which includes the new member. - The last member finally replied, and have refused to role claim to me for now, explaining that he wants to play it safe for a while.
Good night.
My conclusion is that Youngminii is the new member in the circle (the other two members of the circle can decide if they want to step up and prove Youngminii is indeed the newest member.
I don't think the mod would be that evil and give the circle a mafia member after half of their circle got modkilled.
Well we don't know that the mods selected someone to be in the circle. It very well could have been RNG.
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote: Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
I wouldn't necessarily say he's a clear cut townie, I would still feel a lot more comfortable if it is proven. However, I don't feel as worried about him being red as I do others.
One huge thing I've been contemplating now that the Mafia PD is gone is that if/when M-itis explodes, it will likely take out a good chunk of Mafia as well, especially if they hit people or do their roles on people who are infected. This is definitely a huge plus for the town. Imagine that all of the remaining Mafia are infected once it blows, boom, Town Victory.
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote: Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.
As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.
Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point.
Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often..
Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too.
Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice.
One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure.
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote: Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.
As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.
Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point.
Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often..
Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too.
Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice.
One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure.
I agree that saying your a blue role in this thread is a really bad move, maybe because they may be lying and trying to get the heat off them. Correct? It may not be necessary and asking someone to role claim and then making them use their ability to actually say that they're the real deal.
Sorry just wondering can you use your ability once per day or once.
That depends on the role, some can be used every day, some can be use only a finite number of times.
On November 03 2010 11:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Explanation to everyone regarding plague doctors, since one has died:
(Plague) Doctors are not immune to Murrayitis, but will be notified of their infection. Every night, they may protect one person. If he does not have murrayitis, he will be immunized. If he does, he will just be cured. Plague Doctors may cure themselves, but can not become immune to Murrayitis. If (plague) doctors visit a patient with murrayitis AND that person has a hit on him, both the target and the doctor will die.
Oh this is very interesting, be careful Plague Doctors! Also, I take from this that there are more PDs in the game still.
I assume when you say "(Plague" Doctors), it is to imply that Doctors are also not immune to M-itis?
On November 03 2010 11:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Once this game is over I'm gonna find someone to teach me how to do analysis posts because I don't know how to quote everything I want to but I said I'd take a closer look at bumatlarge and I feel like I found some good stuff.
Ive seen divine around that fucking lurker, feel free to bandwagon him.
Divine voted for me as mayor
This is before and after the night post.
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
Maybe he hasn't been paying attention but Doc is definetly not a clearer townie
And would it be selfish or scummy to ask for that vaccine if it hasnt already been dished out?
Role Fishing maybe?
He makes a list of players and their actions but it's not really anything new, it feels like he's scum trying to act like town.
He posts a lot of small, rather irelevent posts that make him look active but are actually pretty substanceless.
Investigate me all the way, but i suggest if we have a PD to make sure i dont start spreading AIDS everywhere.
My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me.
Is this his power? Why haven't we heard more about it? It's been long enough for him to use it.
He makes a couple apologies for being inactive
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
Here's his reason for voting for our dear mayor.
I did not withdraw my candidacy, I merely stated that fishball's plan was similar to mine, and if alot of the town thought him the better candidate I would not have a problem, but after reading into it and stating my opinions, I still want to be mayor, because
1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening. 2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas. 3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red)
Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working.
Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it? This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions.
Someone help me out, what does he mean by this post? He can make body guards?
I am not in Fishball's circle. I have an ability to form a town circle of my choosing. I already choose my first person.
I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on.
It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him.
Here's where he first talks about his role, a role easily faked by scum (like fishballs but fishball was proved innocent and I think that makes it even more likely the bum is lying). SHIT I have to go but I'm gonna post this anyway... I'll be back.
On November 03 2010 12:54 LunarDestiny wrote: DrH, please clarify. Your role is stick and not doctor right?
DrH's roleclaim is: Blue Sticky You can poke someone every night. If you're not roleblocked and: 1) the target doesn't have Murrayitis, the poke goes through. DrH receives no PM, but the target receives a PM saying he was poked by DrH 2) the target does have Murrayitis, the poke fails. DrH receives a PM saying it failed, but the target receives no PM.
On November 04 2010 04:09 CubEdIn wrote: ...well as I said, 40%. Meaning that I would hesitate to even vote for him, unless some other "clues" pop up.
But it's still more than I feel about everyone else in this game.
Also, shouldn't we keep an eye on the lurkers here. I didn't really count but I'm preeetty sure that there are at least 5-10 people who are voting but not really bothering to post much. You said I was inactive in Haunted Mafia, but these guys are way less active than I was and nobody's forcing them to take a stand.
The problem is determining which inactives are mafia and which are just inactives :/
More often than not you miss with it.
Which is why it's such a prime spot for Mafia to hide =(
It suuuuuuuucks.
Although, if someone can find someone who was active (either very active or somewhat active) in the first day, and not so much in the second day, that could be a start to finding our Anon-Mafia voter since he didn't use his extra vote in Day2.
On November 04 2010 04:09 CubEdIn wrote: ...well as I said, 40%. Meaning that I would hesitate to even vote for him, unless some other "clues" pop up.
But it's still more than I feel about everyone else in this game.
Also, shouldn't we keep an eye on the lurkers here. I didn't really count but I'm preeetty sure that there are at least 5-10 people who are voting but not really bothering to post much. You said I was inactive in Haunted Mafia, but these guys are way less active than I was and nobody's forcing them to take a stand.
The problem is determining which inactives are mafia and which are just inactives :/
More often than not you miss with it.
Which is why it's such a prime spot for Mafia to hide =(
It suuuuuuuucks.
Although, if someone can find someone who was active (either very active or somewhat active) in the first day, and not so much in the second day, that could be a start to finding our Anon-Mafia voter since he didn't use his extra vote in Day2.
I would do it myself, but I'm about to go to practice =X
On November 04 2010 03:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I have entrusted Bumatlarge with a message in case I die in the night. If he doesn't post it, he should be held accountable and possibly lynched.
without pm, how you entrusted him a message exactly?
also i dont understand why both Dr.H and DC are so willing to die tonight? you guys know somebody who much more worthy to save?
*sigh* I really wish people read the thread carefully...
bum added Dr.H to his PM circle.
Seriously, it was like, within the last few pages.
On November 12 2010 11:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm just curious about Pandain's reasoning for killing me night 2.
i actually don't think I wanted YOU killed... I think that was someone else.
-_-
That makes sense Coag. I'm glad he did end up being blue, I was able to read that right. Wish I lived long enough to actually make a difference though =/
On November 12 2010 13:54 youngminii wrote: Okay you have to calm the fuck down.
Lynch All Liars is a pro-town policy that is designed to stop unneeded confusion. You do not make up roleclaims in situations like that. Maybe in the end game where it can help you avoid a lylo or where you can protect someone very important but in his situation, LAL is the best policy.
Did you ever think about this at all?
Unless you can get the LAL policy in every single game, as a general consensus, this will never be the best policy, and will only be abused by the Mafia as a scapegoat.
Agreed. While I did vote to lynch Aeres (-_-) I didn't think it was the best choice. LAL will be very abused by scum if we keep it as a general policy.
On November 12 2010 13:54 youngminii wrote: Okay you have to calm the fuck down.
Lynch All Liars is a pro-town policy that is designed to stop unneeded confusion. You do not make up roleclaims in situations like that. Maybe in the end game where it can help you avoid a lylo or where you can protect someone very important but in his situation, LAL is the best policy.
No, I don't need to 'calm the fuck down'.
Yeah, okay, it's designed to help the town.
However, if somewhere along the way, you should apply a little bit of the critical thinking that you, no doubt, have been developing throughout your life.
Whenever any move that you don't understand is made, you should stop and think, "hmm... why did that guy do that?" PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR GAME. Instead, most of the town started demanding answers. "Hey, I know that I could figure this out for myself, but I really like Hollywood movies where they tell you everything. If I wanted to think, I'd go do schoolwork. So, um... yeah, tell me everything." Do you know who this benefits? MAFIA.
THEN, when he goes and explains himself, some idiots realize that they've been lied to. OMG. It's the end of the world. Let's panic, run around in circles, fall on the ground, beat your chest, tear your clothes, light your torches and grab your pitchforks.
How about, YOU 'calm the fuck down' and show some restraint. Use some common sense. Yeah, he lied. Okay, DEAL WITH IT. Lynch All Liars is a good general rule if you think that the lie was designed to hurt the town. This was a lie designed to protect the bodyguard and DrH.
On November 12 2010 13:54 youngminii wrote: Okay you have to calm the fuck down.
Lynch All Liars is a pro-town policy that is designed to stop unneeded confusion. You do not make up roleclaims in situations like that. Maybe in the end game where it can help you avoid a lylo or where you can protect someone very important but in his situation, LAL is the best policy.
No, I don't need to 'calm the fuck down'.
Yeah, okay, it's designed to help the town.
However, if somewhere along the way, you should apply a little bit of the critical thinking that you, no doubt, have been developing throughout your life.
Whenever any move that you don't understand is made, you should stop and think, "hmm... why did that guy do that?" PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR GAME. Instead, most of the town started demanding answers. "Hey, I know that I could figure this out for myself, but I really like Hollywood movies where they tell you everything. If I wanted to think, I'd go do schoolwork. So, um... yeah, tell me everything." Do you know who this benefits? MAFIA.
THEN, when he goes and explains himself, some idiots realize that they've been lied to. OMG. It's the end of the world. Let's panic, run around in circles, fall on the ground, beat your chest, tear your clothes, light your torches and grab your pitchforks.
How about, YOU 'calm the fuck down' and show some restraint. Use some common sense. Yeah, he lied. Okay, DEAL WITH IT. Lynch All Liars is a good general rule if you think that the lie was designed to hurt the town. This was a lie designed to protect the bodyguard and DrH.
Edited: to take out harsh words.
Aww someone needs a hug <3
*hugs kingjames*
Oh no you didn't! He's my man.
Oh nuh-UH bitch. I'll take you any day, kingjames is mine.