On topic:
I assume the 4 'confirmed' town are confirmed by your analysis of us BC? I agree on eiii, kenpachi, and myself (of course), but misder confirmed town? him and beneather are both some of the shadiest characters this game I thought. But I would have put them as scum, not SK, so I guess they are in the clear now that we have the whole scum team? And anyway, I do think jimbo is a good suspect for SK. Here's why:
Other than the night 4 SK hit (which is not accounted for, could have been saved, could have been not fired, could have double up with a scum hit), all of the SK hits have been on mafia. Haplo, zeks, and bumatlarge. That is two things: unbelievable scum hunting (I don't believe misder or beneather or even myself are capable of this) AND unbelievably pro-town hits.
Now, jimbo and BC both fit that profile, except I think that BC with his greater experience would have known to keep the conflict between town/mafia a lot closer than it currently is. As it stands, mafia is eliminated tomorrow along with their KP, mostly thanks to BC. Mafia KP benefits SK at this point, so why would BC try to eliminate that? This seems like an error in execution that BC is unlikely to have made. Also there's this:
On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2.
Hmm... our remaining SK must be very like minded to Jimbo here? Perhaps Jimbo himself?
Jimbo's scumdar has been absolutely UNBELIEVABLE this game, i mean seriously, I'm jealous dude. He's got Bumatlarge and BloodyC0bbler both drooling over him... and what was the night one SK hit (that idiot-me, I stopped)? Haplo, another scum...
Deconduo, can you *actually* do town a favor this time (I'm pretty sure you owe us one) and hit Jimbo tonight? if he survives, bingo we have our SK (he already claimed to have survived one hit).
For teh lulz... + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2011 15:55 Fishball wrote: Since it's Night now, for those who feel like reading, here are my impressions/opinions/comments regarding the remaining players in the game. You can take this lightly, you can take this seriously, however these are my sincere thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not superman and I don't have every player, every aspect covered. Be warned, feelings might be hurt. Feel free to curse at me and kick my balls if need be.
# aidnai Scum or incoherent Townie. He has been brought up as a prime candidate for lynch but was able to fight his way out. His last minute suggestion of another lynch candidate made me raise an eyebrow. ... On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote:Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote: Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope. On January 18 2011 04:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:36 aidnai wrote: you're right kenpachi, I just realized that--you were definitely not an inactive. I usually open a bunch of tabs and searches and check when the last post was made, I may have mixed you up with someone else or something, sorry!
In other news, wake up everybody. No reason for 3 hours of silence in the middle of the day--we have a lynch today, and we have nightkills to discuss as well. Current voting:
Fishball: 6 votes Kenpachi Kitaman27 Amber[light] Bumatlarge BloodyC0bbler aidnai
Eiii: 0 votes
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler: 1 vote Pigsquirrel
Not voting yet: deconduo, CubedIn, Haplopaithan, Eiii, Misder, Jimbosilvers, Beneather
Misder is a player I'm having a hard time reading. Most of the content-posts from Misder have been responses to fishball's 'accusations', and misder never seems current on the situation or contributing to what is actively going on... To be quite blunt, I think you have a hard time reading anyone, lol. On January 11 2011 08:56 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 08:32 aidnai wrote: informative? I haven't said anything yet. Exactly. New player comes into game, gets a shiny red pm. It is smart of him to listen to more experienced peers. He asks tidbits in thread to clarify things he is discussing with his scum buddies. Yet he never really makes solid posts in fear of letting anything bad show. I wouldnt normally pick on a single person for that, but that pattern fish ball presented is interesting, and I would like to see what happens. Jimbo is the opposite. A new player, but he gets a lovely shade of green in his pm. Excited for the game he forges opinions in his head. He vocalizes them because he can't share it with mafia friends and there is no pandain to constantly message him to tell his deepest darkest secrets. In fact, I feel guilty for not suggesting that jimbo take mason. I'm very sure he's town, and if not he's a great addition to tl mafia, whether he is sk or mafia. I'd be completely blindsided. Or perhaps you have some information to give aidnai. Because I faintly recall. And I agree! On January 11 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote: ##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often. This doesn't sound like analysis Bum. It sounds like the good old "we can get information from this lynch! yay!" I want to warn people that it is incredibly easy to misread Aidnai as scum. I used him in Harry Potter to divert the lynch. On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote:I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time). Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote: Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all. Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote: Nevermind, I missed your first post above. Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishballP.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is: First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use). Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected. It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role. vs. + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote:Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote: Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote +There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason referring to Jimbo ^^ I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge(Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. On January 16 2011 05:54 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 02:35 bumatlarge wrote:On January 16 2011 01:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 00:21 bumatlarge wrote:Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you. And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day And should I reveal what info I have now? You haven't helped at all, so your 95% red, 5% town, yay for made up stats? Well if that's how you legitimately feel, I'm not going to argue with that. Doesn't help you though in the eyes of everyone else. Mafia want to kill SK a lot more desperately then town atm. Guess the next the thing on the agenda is lynching deconduo and then scouting around for anymore SKs? And name one thing in this game I haven't given a correct output on. I'm not going to argue with you further until later, because I don't have the means to get rid you. You should probably try to kill me tonight while we townies still have this deficient intelligence. Maybe your mafia squad can still save face and help lynch you. Your inactive dude. I know I'm not red, and have no idea of your role. HOWEVER You are a veteran player. You know behavioural analysis is what wins games, instead your just sitting back and not actively participating. You have seen the current games, or at least should have heard of them. Towns are getting slaughtered for having no idea how to analyze. You as an experienced player should be showing them how to go about this, instead your sitting back. I honestly don't care you think I'm red, my issue is that only one player has seriously laid any analysis on me, which he stopped doing once I responded to said analysis, he even said he would hold back judgement until more experienced players commented on one of my comments and no one responded. Stop lurking, start playing. You should know better. That's good advice, even though I'd think PYP can be tons more information based, but that for every piece of information given, you can form now analysis around it. I will try to analyze a player I find suspicious, but as of this moment, analysis involves opportunity to lynch. Assuming we do lynch deconduo or not (our relationship with him is completely information based as of now since he is playing for his survival), we do not get a lynch til say day 4. I take some blame for not being here for the end of the day to help persuade those to actually push a lynch through. But really to anyone who abstained on that day or didn't think that was important, that is either obvious scum play or everyone is daft. Also BC... Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. I've said this twice now about Jimbo during day 1. Have you really been paying attention this game? -_- Stop stealing my compliments! compliment war lol On January 16 2011 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 05:51 kitaman27 wrote:Some points I would like to be addressed if you don't mind, BC. (I still would also like to hear from Amber about his roleblocking target and his reasons for moving off fishball in the previous lynch and from dec about his kp target so we don't overlap) On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. First, lets contrast this questionable reasoning: Rol: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so probably scum. Fish: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so great to keep around. Ulterior motive? On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Point 4 Two simple reasons for choice of GF. 1) deny a scummy looking player his role 2) take a role that would give me a KP to use as I don't see very many people focusing on behavioural analysis anymore. IN ANY GAME. As its a role that was less likely to be noticed for its KP purposes I went for it. It fits my style completely.
This fits your style completely? You do realize that you have to be lynched in order to use this kp, right? If you are town, why would you foresee yourself getting lynched in the first place? Aren't you the type of player that gets sniped at night, not lynched during the day. What did you intend to do if you got checked by bulletbill? "Opps, its okay guys. I'm godfather. No worries!" On January 14 2011 01:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him. You actually say it best yourself. The godfather role has far more scum applications than town. I'm not sure I buy that you selected it to deny the role and use a lynch kp, over the possible remaining pro-town roles. On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however. Yet you did. Many times. It's great you helped find a SK, but as a scum desperate to quickly find a day vig target, LSB would have been the best choice. On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: the way I hit people as mafia is unique compared to most players. Guess what, none of the people who died fit my criteria for night 1 hits. Huh? What is this even supposed to mean? Since the death list doesn't match your "system" you are supposed to be given a free pass? On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. You contradict yourself here. You don't vote for fish because you don't have a strong enough belief he is scum and don't want to accidentally vote off an innocent town. Yet now you agree if majority is about to be reached, you will join the bandwagon, regardless of your personal beliefs. Sounds as if you are just providing an excuse for yourself why you won't commit. On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. Heh flatery. I'm sure we've all seen this used before. Yay an attempt at analysis, there is hope for you yet. Reason to keep fish around is simple. As of now, myself, fishball, and jimbo are the three people posting the most coherent posts. If nothing else the three of us see logic and when we post typically have something useful. As such, regardless of Fish's role, having someone who has to play at a certain level (and if hes traitor he has to find reds as well), he will have to help analyze briefly. As for gf role, go look at my record. I as a player have been lynched late game fairly often, and of these times I have only been red once. Factor in towns having a trend of offing the people who analyze/talk in recent games your damn right I expected to be lynched. Not only do I like to talk I am expected to purely based on my name. As for intended on doing if I was checked by bulletbill, simply claim. No reason not to. Now, move into the whole me finding an SK. You all seem to think that if I was mafia I would auto find an SK purely to off a KP role. Sadly you're wrong. As mafia I would bus 1-2 of my own team, build credibility to town and then wreak havoc. Instead I opt to find anyone who is antitown. LSB flipping SK is the most beneficial flip I could have as it shows I am not doing my normal mafia tactics of playing ridiculous plans upon plans. Then look at the night hits. Again, the people who I would target two days running are not dead. Anyone who has played on a red team with me would realize I purposely aim for town leadership or people who analyze intelligently. IE if I was red I'd have shot jimbo and fishball by now if I knew they were town. I would have kept LSB alive as based on his play (if i was red) i would have him pinned as SK and let him lead the town around stupidly till the town offed itself. Next talk about an excuse not to commit? we had two targets, both I thought shouldn't die and no way a vote swing would happen to someone I preferred. Instead I said I would go with the town flow if we were going to lynch one of them and be the hammer. That means had they flipped town my ass is in the hot seat. Then you mention flattery? Guess what dude, alot of the newer players don't learn, at all. Seeing someone new who can analyze, read a thread, make informed posts, and hell argue with players like myself who have been around for awhile is a huge kudos to him. He's shown alot of talent and potential to grow as a player, course I am going to flatter him.Now, if you want to do real analysis, go compare my previous games where I am town, just notice the style of game I play there, compared to the style of game I play as mafia. You will notice very quickly that I am playing very pro town.
Rofl, I need to stop being an easy day 1 lynch target. Stop distracting the town... And Jimbo, I'm sorry for screwing with you day one too... I was feeling so loopy at the time, just wanted to have fun. But please tell me, what's your secret?
Oh and Jimbo, you have a hat trick already, why not set a new record and kill 4/5 scum players (not counting fishball. that benedict arnold can rot in hell) singlehandedly? I will worship you forever
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