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This made it impossible to find the mafia. What I'm just trying to say is that the town helped kill the town by removing anyone who actually helped out and talked. Inactives do absolutely nothing but hurt us, so I think we need to pressure inactives more than point fingers at active players. On day 1, we have very little to work with, all we can do is pick someone to lynch and pray. We might as well kill someone who could be a lurking mafia or someone who will help kill us later in the game. An active mafia is too smart to screw up on day 1 and die, as well an active mafia gives town a lot more material to work with once someone catches them with their pants down. An inactive mafia looks like an inactive town. To me, I would rather kill inactives (not don't post and don't vote, as in only vote and barely post) than kill someone who's actually talking. In pokemafia we killed Kenpachi and Zeks since they were talkative and didn't speak like a perfect townie. On later analysis we saw that they didn't actually look like mafia, they just spamed a lot and we wanted that gone. If we would of lynched inactives, we would of been able to find 4 of the 6 mafia, and would of saved 3 - 4 town. We would of won the game, but we focused on killing people that speak. I mean, we can get rid of someone who isn't helping now, and then have our DTs check people while we do forum analysis. This helps us more later in the game, then a random lynch of an active townie helps us now. Just my $0.02 | ||
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On December 28 2010 13:15 bumatlarge wrote: I say we reverse it and get inactives later. Lets kill whoever is the most outspoken when there is really not much to be outspoken about. We did this in pokemafia and killed 4 towns, and then ended the game with a tonne of inactives and no way to every figure out who was red. Also, voting inactives can only help the town IF the inactives become active because we are accusing them. More voices > no one talking. Getting everyone talking gives the town a much better chance to find scum rather then going "well we have 10 guys who don't talk... lets kill some of them and hope they are scum yay!" if they were all talking then it turns into "well, we have 1 - 2 scummy posters, lets put some pressure on them and see how other people react". Scenario 2 > Scenario 1 BY FAR. I really think we need to spend some time getting everyone talking. We still have 25 hours left to go, lots of time to pick a good lynch. Killing either LSB or annul is not a good idea... they are talking, but we don't know if they are a Green trying to pull attention to them selves, a vet trying to waste a mafia hit, or maybe they are mafia just trying to stir things up. The thing is we aren't sure, and if they keep talking this much we will soon be able to tell if they are scum or not simply through the number of posts that they might mess up in. Me, I think we need to look at the inactives and lurkers (1 post + vote, or only vote). Inactives: Note, but don't vote for them. People who are just logging in and voting are either a normal townie board about not being a blue/mafia, or mafia trying to lurk. Lurkers: We put pressure on them to be more active, get them to post and see who comes up scummy. Lurkers are most likely blue or a mafia simply trying to stay under the radar. They vote so as not to die, and post to look active but not enough to get looked at. Heavy Posters: We have to analyse what they say, but we need to look at what they say over time, not just at one instance. People who talk a lot are trying to get looked at. A townie trying to get hit who is trying to pull hits from a possible blue. Or they are mafia trying to lead the town down the wrong path. Now, I'm going to re-read the thread and try to find some lurkers to look at. But really... LSB and annul seem to just be two towns who are duking it out, there isn't enough info to definitly say red, but at least we have a lot of past behaviour to look at and work with. | ||
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1. Brocket (If replaced, let me know, might of missed it) 2. GeorgeClooney (If replaced, let me know, might of missed it) 3. Orgolove | 4. ~OpZ~ | 5. ShoCkeyy || 6. bumatlarge || 7. Tevo || 8. Soulfire || 9. why ||| 10. RebirthOfLeGenD ||| 11. tree.hugger ||| 12. Mr.Zergling |||| 13. deconduo |||| 14. Ryuu314 |||| 15. Insanious |||| This is in decending order for number of posts, the |'s represent 1 post. Anyone with over 4 posts I thought that they had posted enough to not be 100% lurking. As such, I think these 15 people (go go half of the game) need to start posting more (yes I realize I'm in the list too... but ya). I haven't looked at WHAT people have posted, just how many times. So ya... with a little more activity, scum hunting will be a lot easier. So here's goes my random vote, going to be on Shockeyy, you were a lurking mafia in Pokemafia, and your lurking now. Post more, and lets prove your innocence . | ||
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On December 29 2010 03:32 annul wrote: okay, thats your opinion. at least you are viewing it from the proper lens: "i do not believe the analysis" and not "the analysis was good BUT he claimed blue so we should at least give him until day 3 before we really kill him" This is the same stupid stuff that Brocket did in Pokemafia. He was like "GABRIEL IS RED!!!!" and hunted him down with a passion ignoring what everyone else said, even though Gabriel was green. Your analysis on LSB looks exactly like the analysis done in Pokemafia where there is no specific scum tells just "his posts are spammy and not 100% green looking". To me LSB looks like a green again, he's posting basically just like in Pokemafia when he was a green. LSB also claimed blue when he was a green to try and draw a mafia hit, which as of now will probably hit our active players but leave both LSB and annul since they are being voted for. - - - - - As a complete side note, killing someone who claims blue, and says "I can prove I'm blue at end of night 2" is stupid. This just wastes town KP. Either he is blue and we lynch him or mafia kills him. OR he is mafia, he doesn't do what he says and we kill him. Letting him live 2 night rounds will not destroy the town, but lynching a powerful blue role on night 1 will hurt us a lot more then losing 2 townies. - - - - - - - What I see here, is annul wanting to get a red SOOOOOO bad, that he has bitten down on LSB like a pit bull and wont let go. Just like Brocket who thought Gabriel was red, people here are telling him (annul) to chill out, we have time. Lynching a blue hurts, guranteeing someone is a red before lynching them only stings. | ||
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On December 29 2010 04:33 annul wrote: why do you not understand the fact that keeping a red alive two extra days WILL result in an extra townie (or two) dying? killing a mafia today means their KP will drop now or drop on the next mafia death. its not like we lose nothing keeping him around. we need to view it as "is it worth losing one more townie if he turns out to be red" Because he doesn't look red, and claims blue. So to me this looks like: 1) We kill a blue and lose their powers for night 1 or 2) We let a blue live 2 more days till the mafia kill them I don't see LSB as a red, he doesn't look red to me, and you look just like Brocket in pokemafia. Brocket didn't let go of Gabriel, your not letting go of LSB. Your 100% sure he is mafia, when there are like no posts even looking like he is mafia... he looks just like LSB the guy that almost saved the Pokemafia but then some people quit early... LSB is a strong town voice, he has claimed blue, this makes him one of the strongest players in the game and if he is not a red then should be kept alive at all costs. If he turns up as a blue and we lynch him we lose a strong town voice and a blue, this hurts the town 100000000000000x more then losing 2 greens that post mediorce posts IMHO, Because 2 greens that post mediocre posts don't help the town, where a blue does, as does a strong experience town voice that can do analysis. This is why I don't agree with this. Because we lose a lot if he is blue, and if he is red... well the KP probably wont even drop by 1, we will still lose the same amount of people just we are down a blue to help us, and LSB to do analysis. | ||
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On December 29 2010 04:43 annul wrote: then this is your real reson. its not his blue claim, its "i do not believe annul's analysis." My reasoning is this. Blue LSB > 2 greens dying. So to me, lynching him (if he is blue), hurts the town more than having the mafia kill 2 more people. But hell, you don't even see how lynching LSB does nothing for the town... Scenario 1) We lynch him and he is red - Mafia KP probably doesn't go down, so we still lose 3 Scenario 2) We lynch someone else, wait till night 2 and he doesn't do what he says - Mafia KP still at 3, but we kill a confirmed red ^^^ in both of these, we are at the exact same point in the game, same amount of mafia kills, same amount of town does, same amount of mafia dead Scenario 3) We lynch someone else, wait till night 2 and LSB does what he says - Mafia KP still at 3, but we are up a blue In Scenario 3, we have a blue on our team and someone we can trust. So killing LSB does nothing for the town, waiting to see if he is blue helps the town, since there will be a 50/50 chance of him being a blue. If he is blue, we get to keep a blue alive. If he is red we end up in the same position we would of been lynching him right now. Killing LSB now does 0 for the town, waiting for him to prove if he is a blue or red = helps the town. | ||
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On December 29 2010 05:06 LSB wrote: If I offer myself to be lynched, will you lynch Annul afterwards? No because I don't think you or Annul are red... I think you are blue and annul is green. Annul = Brocket You = Gabriel From pokemafia... Annul just doesn't let go and now we get to lynch one of the most helpful townies . | ||
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No info: Anti LSB: - Annul Pro LSB: - Me Annul = town, easy to see Me = town, because I know I'm town :/, hopefully my posts speak for me. LSB turns up green: - We have no suspects to look at LSB turns red: - We look at me... awesome? want to know how I know LSB isn't red... No one is trying to divert the lynch, if LSB was red, the mafia would be trying to throw up another name to be lynched instead of LSB. Is that happening? NOOOOO Mafia are throwing LSB under the bus because... LSB isn't mafia. People, if he was mafia we would be having a lot more discussion rather then Annul: "LSB is mafia" LSB: "No I'm not" Everyone else: "I don't know who is mafia, lets bandwagon LSB" This is just bad town play, and for one, I am disappointed... We are voting for: 1) An active player 2) A player that might be blue 3) A player that no one is really defending 4) A player that if he turns red, there are no other posters to look at if he flips LSB is a terrible lynch... | ||
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On December 29 2010 06:56 TheMango wrote: I think LSB is lying about being vigilante. Makes no sense from a townie perspective. How would we even know at the start of night two? If he kills someone as vigilante that we choose, he could just as easily be mafia killing someone, no? Someone correct me if I'm wrong... Kind of but no... Say he is mafia, well then his vig hits are more or less dictated by town "LSB, hit XXX" if he ever doesn't then we know he is mafia, and we kill him. This gives town control of a mafia KP. Meaning he can either be: 1) Vig controlled by town 2) Town controls a Mafia KP, allowing us to kill players the town decides, not those that the mafia think are best to hit. So even if LSB is mafia, its stronger for town to keep him alive to control the KP. But he might not be a vig, he might be something else and might reveal something else, we don't know. Either way, keeping a blue alive = very important, so even if he is a red, we can hold off for 1 - 2 nights and its not that bad... Since killing him now, or latter does very little to help the town till we find a 2nd mafia player to kill to lower KP. | ||
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As such, killing LSB later if he does not follow through with his plan is >>>>>>> killing him now. Killing a random green >>>>>>> killing a blue. As such, killing anyone but LSB today is >>>>>>> killing LSB. LSB has a 20% chance of being mafia as anyone else, you make it seem like he has slipped up somewhere, but he hasn't... he has a 20% chance just like everyone else, and there is nothing that screams mafia about LSB. LSB is giving us an alternative route... Vote someone else, and save a possible blue. If he is not blue, kill him. Town loses nothing, we only gain the life of a blue, so killing LSB is bad right now. | ||
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Annul - He keeps pushing, and he needs to stop. If he is going to be like this all game, he is going to hurt the town a lot. Might even be mafia trying to kill an active Blue seraph - RoL's analysis Now I can throw one more in here: Brocket - As town he was SUPER SUPER active, most active poster in Pokemafia. In this game, he has 1 post and 1 vote, not talking at all. Exact opposite... very fishy. | ||
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On December 29 2010 07:31 annul wrote: "clearly" a bad idea -- clear to whom? even pandain says you are 99% mafia Even Pandain said killing him now is a bad idea... Killing him now = dead blue/mafia Killing him later = dead mafia - - - - Killing him now = no one new to look at associated with LSB Killing him later = focusing on others and finding more mafia - - - - Killing him now = Mafia dictated KP, or mafia kill Killing him later = Town dictated KP - - - - Killing him now = no bonus to town Killing him later = possible saving blue, more information, and more town control Killing him now is a bad idea, killing him later if he turns up red is a good idea. | ||
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On December 29 2010 07:39 annul wrote: you do not seem to understand math if there is a "99%" chance he is mafia, the only thing you can gain is 1% certainty by waiting. in exchange for this 1% certainty, assume we attack someone on RNG basis. we give up 80% certainty today and, in exchange for ONE PERCENT chance to save a blue, we take a ~33% chance of randoming a "different" blue. an actual blue. He isn't 99% mafia, you are just blinded... to me its like a 20% chance of him being red, and 80% chance of him being blue. I would rather wait. You sound just like Brocket in Pokemafia... blinded and not looking at things around you. There is no 99% chance of being mafia as LSB hasn't slipped up, so there is something like a 20% chance of being a red. You need to calm down, and wait.... its what is best for town, there is no sure red here, there is just a possible scum maybe. and for the chance to save a blue, I'd rather wait... | ||
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On December 29 2010 07:43 annul wrote: i do not play this game RNG. if this game was entirely RNG then what is the point of playing at all, of analysis, etc? i do not have a 6/30 chance of feeling correctly. my "feelings" are not RNG-based. But feelings mean very little without proof, and you haven't posted any. Your whole argument is "he is spammy therefore mafia". He hasn't slipped up in this game, and as such there is no proof except a feeling. Your feeling is the same as RNG. There are probably 6 mafia (as in most 30 player games there are 6 mafia...) so your feeling is the same as just randomly picking one of 30 people giving you a 20% chance of hitting a mafia. If LSB is telling the truth we only have to wait 2 days, and in those two days we might find another mafia, this helps the town, as does saving a blue. Holding off on lynching LSB for 2 days simply defers a lynch and doesn't hurt the town pretty much at all... | ||
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That guy is just playing so differently from Pokemafia, that he one of the few people in this game that actually make me think scum, To me, Annul = Green LSB = Blue So neither is a good vote. I want to hit someone else, and Brocket screams red due to the whole: Pokemafia: Had over 10 posts in the first 24 hours - Was green Mafia XXXV: Has 1(ish) post in the first 48 hours - is ? This is just so stupidly different then before, that he is obviously a different role. Blues will try to help the town by talking here and there, mafia are more likely to lurk and go under the radar IMHO. I'm voting Brocket now, because we need to get votes off LSB and I'd rather kill someone more likely to be RED, then just a random inactive... Either that, or someone needs to give me someone active to vote for that isn't LSB or Annul both are bad lynches right now. | ||
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On December 29 2010 08:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm getting a strong sense like there is an attempt to save LSB underway right now. We've had several different attempts to switch attention to people who I don't feel are remotely suspicious (i.e opz or brocket). These people are lurkers but I don't think they are overtly scummy. This really feels like a last minute attempt by the mafia to take the heat of LSB. LSB is playing similar to how he did in Pokemafia. Where he was the strongest town voice and a townie. Not to mention lynching him later is better for the town as it can save a blue and lynching him now won't reduce KP so we won't lose less town. Brocket was a vocal town voice with the highest posts in Pokemafia. He was town, now in this mafia he is not posting at all. He is lurking which isn't something he does, and was vocal against lurkers in Pokemafia. To me this makes Brocket seem red, where LSB has claimed blue. To me this is a lynch of a possible mafia to save a blue... Brocket is fishy, LSB is possibly one of the strongest town players. | ||
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On December 29 2010 08:47 bumatlarge wrote: Few reasons why.I am curious as to how people are shifting votes around together very smoothly. Im sure RoL gave a relatively similar arguement on seraph and it pittered out. Now insanious points brocket very reasonably and 5 people shift their votes? Im actually itching to see what LSB would pop now... Sorry if you are a vig buddy For starters seraph is an active and experienced town player, so losing him as a town sucks. The more experienced players like LSB, seraph, RoL, tree.hugger etc... live longer the better shot town has. Next Brocket is posting vastly different then he did in Pokemafia, which points out different behaviour between his town play and his play now. As well, Brocket is not a strong town voice, meaning between losing Brocket and LSB, Brocket hurts less. Finally, most people have read the case for not lynching LSB now that wasn't there when RoL brough up seraph. Meaning now people are looking for a way to switch off of LSB. There wasn't a good candidate to switch to before brocket. Annul is town Seraph is experience d3 is being voted for by pandrain when no one is really listening to now Then there is Brocket, random inactive who is playing vastly different then he did when he was town. Best choice offered. If there was someone better to vote for I would, and I will be the first to vote LSB come day 3 if he doesn't prove that he is blue. | ||
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Brocket is NOT playing like he did in Pokemafia and that is fishy as he was town there... So he is something different now. | ||
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On December 29 2010 09:09 Pandain wrote: Brocket is lurking not inactive he votes and posted no mod kill. His posting style is very different I mean if he doesn't have enough time to login in 48 hours he shouldn't be playing this.Bad reason why. There are so many reasons people act differently. There can be RL issues, he's just trying something new, and just add the fact that its the holidays and he's probably on vacation. Never should town lynch a total inactive. Town needs to be going after the lurkers, not the inactives. Not only do we gain nothing from Brockett's list, but add the fact that there are better people who are either showing signs of true scum or are seeming to contribute without actually contributing, unlike Brockett who isn't doing either. Scum usually want to seem to contribute. Not to mention that just because he has a different posting style(which could just be because he's busy) is no reason to actually lynch someone when we have people like LSB who if you really don't think is scum perhaps then you should fully read my analysis . LSB knows better than to lynch someone like this, I believe you know better than to lynch someone like this. LHell in pokemafia 4 of the 6 mafia only voted never posted. Only two mafia were active. So no, mafia aren't usually active. Hell not voting inactives was the reason we lost pokemafia we only voted active players and we just killed all the useful town. I don't want to reapet that here. Brocket is posting different exacrlt like a mafia in pokemafia and in pokemafia the mafia won. He hasdnt played a lot of mafia games so that might have been hius only or his best reference for good mafia pkay. He is lurking, won't be mod killed. He is lurking, not inactive. He is posting like a pokemafia mafia... He just seems more red to me then LSB | ||
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On December 29 2010 09:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: and the reason why we should vote for LSB being "Annul says he is red. HE IS RED!!!! KILL HIM!!!" Is any better? Lemme sum up why brocket should be lynched "ZOMFG, he's posting different than in the last game he played!!111!!! He mus be red lynch himmm!!!111!!!... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this brocket's second game? Isn't it to early to apply metagame? At least Brocket logic is Brocket is playing exactly like the mafia in the mafia game he last played. Is better logic then LSB spammed and is therefore scum... | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:04 TheMango wrote: Dont we have 2 hours left till voting closes? Also, can someone please explain the acronyms people have been using? FOS, EBWOP, etc Yes we have 2 hours left till end of vote FoS = Finger of Suspision its calling people out without voting for them EBWPO = Edit by way of post, its because you are not allowed to edit posts here, so you post right after with EBWPO in it to show its editing the post above. DT = Detective Red = Mafia Blue = Town with a power Green = Vanilla town | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:05 LSB wrote: Oh wait. I fail at math. W/e people are still going to lynch me. I'm going to continue my dump. FOS= Finger of Suspicion. = I think he's mafia EBWOP= Edit by way of Post = I can't edit, so I'm making a new post that has the edits (Hmmm for my 2000th post, I might as well make a list of mafia terminology) Its 9 votes LSB, 8 votes Brocket right now so its not that far away from you not dying... | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:16 Barundar wrote: Sigh what is the point of putting pressure by votes on a player who is clearly afk, this shortly before the day ends? Its not pressure votes, its votes to have LSB not die tonight so he can prove he is a blue later... and we have a possability of hitting a red. | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:24 Barundar wrote: I understand you want to save yourself, but Brocket is the worst scapegoat you could possibly find. He is as scummy as Kenpachi when posting, and now he is even afk. Voting him is the same as abstaining, and really gets us nowhere. Between Brocket and LSB, I would much much much rather Brocket dead then LSB... There really isn't another choice now due to time constraints... Annul brought us to this point, a 1 person bandwaggon is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to the town. 0 analysis can be done concerning votes, mafia can hide where ever they want to when voting for a town... You need at least 2 candidates every day for voting or it might as well just be a random.org vote. LSB has a high chance of being a blue, and killing a blue, especially early is terrible.\ Brocket is most likely green or a lurking mafia... and since there have been 4 people comming out of no where to defend Brocket it makes me think Brocket is even more red. | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:30 annul wrote: seriously the brocket vote has to be the dumbest idea possible at this stage in the game why are we effectively giving up our day 1 vote? this is such a horrible idea it isnt even funny. what will killing brocket gain us? what information? none. none whatsoever. taking down LSB however will give us a multitude of information. What information? If he is red... it tells us absolutely nothing. Not who is Red, not who to look for, gives nothing. The only person defending him is me, and a Red wouldn't actively defend another Red. Links people too much, so it gives you nothing. If he is blue, it means that I am smart and you should never ever ever be listened to because you don't listen to reason and your instincts are wrong. Lynching LSB is a terrible idea until he can prove if he is or isn't a blue... | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:34 annul wrote: btw look at the voting thread. shockey, georgeclooney, d3_crescentia, tevo all gonna be modkilled for illegal voting too Voting for self is not illigal... where does it say that? | ||
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4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. No illigal voting, they survive. | ||
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On December 29 2010 11:02 annul wrote: oh wow, voting for self is NOT illegal in this game? isnt it like always illegal? wasn't in pokemafia, hasn't been in any mafia I have read yet... | ||
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1) Vote Paindain because of how he acted when we started to vote for someone that wasn't LSB. This to me seems like the mafia are trying to get a 5th KP by killing LSB a claimed blue who is active. So Paindain looks like the most like a mafia to me. 2) Ignoring Annul for rest of game. He got tunnel vision towards a blue, who even if he was red we shouldn't of voted for right now, we should of voted for in 2 days. He had a bad gut feeling, and ignored when people put forth good reasoning to not follow that gut feeling. Annul is about 99% likely to be a green. So he shouldn't be voted for... just ignored 99% of the time unless he finds something increadibly useful... not likely to happen after this debacle. - - - - Also... told you so... Annul listen to me more... I looked at this logically, you were attacking LSB. You were obviously wrong like 15 pages ago. Brocket and Paindrain... one of them is Red and I assume its Paindrain. | ||
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Anything by LSB and Annul should be ignored, and those guys have like half the thread in posts. Anything by me should also be ignored... since I was defending the blue. Now what does that leave us with? Like maybe 100 posts. Cut out the welcome spam, and we are down to like 50 posts to look through. To actually find anything in there to find a Red is not going to happen. Paindrain needs to be looked at, and he's the only one looking scummy But guess what... I bet you out of the like 15 lurkers we have, 4 - 5 will be mafia since... oh ya, we don't vote or pressure lurkers. | ||
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There is nothing to analyze... this is what I wanted to say... Analysis of Voting: - None, mafia can be hiding anywhere. People voting LSB are most likely town, people voting Brocket are most likely town Analysis of Thread: Since Me, Annul, and LSB make up 33% of the total posts in this thread... Of the rest of the posts... there are like 60 posts by lurkers (1 - 4 posts each) Then there are like 20 posts by coagulation that was replaced Then there are like 100 posts before the game started... So this leaves us with like maybe 200 posts to go through since page 1... What did I tell you about voting Annul, bad idea, worst idea. Better to vote a random... Why? because of this situation, we are down a blue, we have 0 analysis to go through... I mean hell... the two people that were trying to kill people (me and annul) are town. So ya... the only other people that talked about anything were RoL Paindrain so ya... RoL = replacement, super exerienced, and doesn't look scummy Paindrain = scummyest of the active players... but even then, not that scummy. We are back to knowing nothing, no analysis, and no options. At least with LSB we would have a blue and an active poster here. This isn't helping the town, but it helps me venting... back to the game. | ||
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And why put a bomb on me? I was a town trying to save a town, while the rest of you were trying to kill a blue... what makes me so red? | ||
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And why put a bomb on me? I was a town trying to save a town, while the rest of you were trying to kill a blue... what makes me so red? | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will post my analysis later tonight I have a friend coming over and am not completely caught up. Here is what it is in a nutshell. Exactly what you said. You seemed WAY too sure that LSB was town. The kind of certainty that only a mafia would have who is going to try to appear to be the only person who was being sane when the lynch came back wrong. I was NOT sure LSB was a town, and I posted that at least 4 times. What I was SURE of, was that lynching LSB now was a bad idea. LSB is red, and we have a sure lynch on day 3 LSB is blue, and town is better off. Lynching LSB now was the worst person to lynch... People didn't listen. Litterally LSB was a bad lynch now, and an amazing lynch on day 3 if he couldn't prove himself. On top of that you tried switching votes to Brocket because of some shitty "he was active in pokemafia" reasoning. Isn't basing lynching on previous actions > lynching on poor analysis. Brocket was a very active and aggressive player when he was town. Now he wasn't even posted like anything. He is acting super different, to me this means he is a different role.Now also in Pokemafia, the mafia totally destroyed the town by being inactive. Posting like once and voting every day. This is how the mafia won in the game, and that is how I see Brocket playing this game so far. To follow that up, you also ignored my analysis on Seraph which would of given you a GOOD switch candidate. I didn't want an active, experienced player to die this early... too bad that didn't work out. In Pokemafia we(town) killed ourselves by voting for active experienced players. Town lost that game because we had no one playing at the end. We need active experienced players playing the game. Seraph hasn't posted that scummily yet, maybe he will show up more like scum later. But he sure is posting and that is better then the 15 players that are letting the mafia hide within them. So let me get this strait, you don't want LSB/Annul to die and are so SURE they are innocent so you want to change vote to someone completely random as opposed to another analysis that was posted? It doesn't make sense unless you want to appear like you were looking out for the town but don't want to implicate the other mafia who heavy suspicion was thrown onto. Annul is green, look at the way he posted. How he went after LSB. This is just like a lot of other greens, they get vocal and voracious so that people listen to them and they can draw fire from the mafia. A mafia and a blue would be too scared to speak that much for fear of being hit in the night. He is a green. LSB was 50/50 red or blue. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, because to me he was blue until night 2 where he was going to prove he was blue. If he didn't prove it, he was red, and no harm done. This means LSB was 100% either blue or red, with a 100% chance of dying if he was red on day 3. No reason to look at him anymore, move on. This means we were looking at 2 terrible candidates and needed to look else where, how hard is that to see... | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:11 annul wrote: god fucking damn it tell me, how can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a veteran? 1) Get vet to hit LSB 2) LSB lives done, he is vet. | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:20 Insanious wrote: 1) Get vig to hit LSB 2) LSB lives done, he is vet. EBWOP | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:29 annul wrote: how could he have possibly done that "maybe earlier" than end of night 2? Gets hit by mafia or madhatter bomb tonight. Missing hit, and he claims vet, most likely. | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2010 13:18 Insanious wrote: I was NOT sure LSB was a town, and I posted that at least 4 times. What I was SURE of, was that lynching LSB now was a bad idea. LSB is red, and we have a sure lynch on day 3 LSB is blue, and town is better off. Lynching LSB now was the worst person to lynch... People didn't listen. Litterally LSB was a bad lynch now, and an amazing lynch on day 3 if he couldn't prove himself. Isn't basing lynching on previous actions > lynching on poor analysis. Brocket was a very active and aggressive player when he was town. Now he wasn't even posted like anything. He is acting super different, to me this means he is a different role. Now also in Pokemafia, the mafia totally destroyed the town by being inactive. Posting like once and voting every day. This is how the mafia won in the game, and that is how I see Brocket playing this game so far. I didn't want an active, experienced player to die this early... too bad that didn't work out. In Pokemafia we(town) killed ourselves by voting for active experienced players. Town lost that game because we had no one playing at the end. We need active experienced players playing the game. Seraph hasn't posted that scummily yet, maybe he will show up more like scum later. But he sure is posting and that is better then the 15 players that are letting the mafia hide within them. Annul is green, look at the way he posted. How he went after LSB. This is just like a lot of other greens, they get vocal and voracious so that people listen to them and they can draw fire from the mafia. A mafia and a blue would be too scared to speak that much for fear of being hit in the night. He is a green. LSB was 50/50 red or blue. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, because to me he was blue until night 2 where he was going to prove he was blue. If he didn't prove it, he was red, and no harm done. This means LSB was 100% either blue or red, with a 100% chance of dying if he was red on day 3. No reason to look at him anymore, move on. This means we were looking at 2 terrible candidates and needed to look else where, how hard is that to see... I decided to read your post actually. Its full of shit. You never dismissed points when it came to why we should lynch LSB, you mumbled some shit about statistically a 1/5 shot which is kind of funny since you shouldn't actually know if their are 6 mafia or not. Logically I would say 6 is a LIKELY number but its not a definite number. On top of that you didn't even dismiss my Seraph analysis. You just keep reiterating the same old shit that doesn't make sense. Let me read pokemafia tonight after my friend leaves and I will tell you why the town lost and I guarantee you it isn't because you killed the "active" people. Dismissed what points about LSB? There were none... Please, quote why people were voting for LSB... people never posted ANY reason to vote LSB at all. Besides Annul's analysis that was just some terrible chainsaw analysis that said "LSB was spamming therefore Mafia" there was no reason to vote LSB at all. Also, I picked 6 because in the thread talking about Mafia balance they say 6 is a good number for a 30 person game. Although with a framer I could see it being 5. 4 normal mafia and then 1 godfather KP but who knows. I didn't dismiss it, I didn't even talk about it, because I had nothing to say about it... Shure, seraph might be mafia, he might not be... but he is experienced and talking and that's something that should be kept alive... its why mafia target experienced talkative players. What about my posts don't make sence? LSB is red/blue, therefore don't vote because: - if blue, we save a key town role - if red, we just pushed his kill date down to day 3 and so what... we can still do analysis on rest of town We would of been better off doing this - - - - On Brocket looking like scum: - In Pokemafia 4 of the 6 mafia didn't say a single thing all game... something like 4 posts in a 1,000 post thread each. - In Pokemafia Brocket was one of the most outspoken people all game, with around 60 posts - In Pokemafia Brocket was very active at the start of the game, having 10 posts in the first 24 hours - In this game, Brocket has said 1 token post and has voted And now: - People who defended Brocket were trying to get votes piled on LSB - LSB was blue, so Brocket looks more red - - - - On Annul being Green: - Annul looks just like Kenpachi, Zeks, Brocket from Pokemafia all Green, all talking a whole hell of a lot. - Annul stuck his neck way out there for a lynch on someone who was a blue, red wouldn't do that - Annul was opinionated something that mafia do not like being, they like being non-associative. - - - - On Paindrain: - He started the game saying Vote inactives - Then he switched to vote actives - Then switched back to vote inacitves - He started with don't vote LSB - Then vote Someone (i forget who need to look it up) - Then vote D3 - Then vote LSB - Then KILL LSB Paindrain is all over the place and I want him to explain. He doesn't look exceptionally red, but no one looks red at all... so I'm putting pressure but most likely I will be voting someone else since well no one looks that red to me. What do you need me to explain? | ||
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For your analysis try to: - Not quote every post, this makes it too long and people won't read it. - Don't make it super super long, information will get lost. Multiple posts is better - Try to find posts that contradict each other - Try to find posts that seem like they are saying something but are really saying nothing - Try to find posts that make it easy for someone to move from one position to another so that they wont seem like they are attached to any single player or decision This is what I think makes good analysis... and with 650 posts there has to be something there. I'll look when I get up, but hopefully someone in town will look at what is posted and give a good analysis on someone and we can find a red tomorrow. | ||
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On December 30 2010 11:07 bumatlarge wrote: I think it would have been better for LSB to claim green or DT if he was going to lie like that. Oh well, it tells us lots of things, but I regret voting him. I will be keeping my eyes on the votes for what I can piece together. DONT MIND ME MAFIA. Plus I dont think suggesting bomb targets is a bad idea if we dont assume that all the hatters are robots. LSB didn't lie at all, what lie? He claimed blue, and that he could prove it after night 2... which he could, what lies did he tell? | ||
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On December 30 2010 11:10 bumatlarge wrote: Oh... why was everyone going on about him being a vigilante? Guess I should have read more into that. Now I have to go look back and see where this misinformation is coming from... -_- He said he was blue and could prove it after night 2. People just assumed he was vig or DT... people assumed a lot of things that got him killed . | ||
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On December 30 2010 07:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Insanious during the hours before the lynch of LSB tried bandwagoning the shit out of brockit claiming he "knew" LSB was blue and how stupid we were being. The analysis on him although much shorter is a few pages back on 32 iirc. No one should EVER be so sure that someone is blue. I never said the LSB was blue, I said LSB was 100% blue or 100% red. VERY different... let me give you an analogy of what i was saying: Your new girlfriend comes up to you crying, she says that a past lay just called her telling her that he has an STD and she needs to be checked. Do you: a) Insantly dump her just incase she has an STD or b) Wait 3 days for the test results to get in. Dump her if she isn't clean. You do b so that you don't loose a terrific lay and have to go back into the world as a single man all alone. This is what I was saying for LSB. He was either RED or BLUE, and could prove his innocence if we waited. We should of waited and the lynch on day 1 was stupid. Even you said that we should wait and that lynching potential blues is a terrible idea. On top of just being sure he NEVER gave a good reason to want to switch which leads me to believe his intention was never to actually switch the vote, but to make it APPEAR that he wanted to switch the vote away from someone who was blue. I couldn't find another good lynch candidate with the active players. Trading active LSB for active player X doesn't help the town. We needed more time, so I tried to get a lurker who played VASTLY different then when he was town when I played with him lynched. A loss of a lurker doesn't hurt the town, but a loss of a blue active experienced player does... now we are down LSB (who had 100 posts already in the thread BTW so he was doing work.). He could of helped us now where Brocket is no where to be found. On top of that, even though he seriously didn't want to lynch LSB he ignored my Seraph analysis which if he used that might of switched the lynch away from LSB. I believe the reason he didn't use the Seraph analysis was because Seraph is his mafia buddy AND he had no true intention to divert the lynch. You can see similar play being used by me and Insane Mafia in regards to dealing with pandain. I actively pushed for pandains lynch but never hard enough to actually change anything. He just did it a lot more shitty. Actually I just had nothing to say about your Seraph analysis because well... again, lynching active experienced players early sucks. The mafia will kill them soon enough why do we have to go after them. I didn't even see anything that reda bout what Seraph posted anyways.Trading LSB (active and experienced) for Seraph (active and experienced) doesn't help the town at all... killing: lurker experienced, lurker inexperienced, and active inexperienced are all better options for the town. Blues + experience win games for the town... greens + lurkers lose games for the town. I was trying to mitigate damage because there were no good lynch targets day 1. Now RoL is looking at a terrible lynch target for day 2... hurting the town even more, awesome. | ||
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On December 30 2010 12:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Who would you propose we lynch? I am pretty sure about all 3 of you, right now I would prefer to go after Annul but I feel to get the backing on that would require very hard analysis. Tonight's hits make me think Annul is likely mafia and I can explain why. I still think you are most likely mafia but I can hold off on that judgment in favor of him. Right now, I don't have anyone I'm really looking at past Pandain. Simply due to the flip-flopping. But really, there hasn't been a lot of scum like activity going on in this thread IMHO... mostly because there isn't any activity going on at all... 4 people are dead 15 people have less than 4 posts ~5 people have between 5 - 10 posts and ~6 people make up the rest of the posts. The only people that can even be analyzed since they are the only ones that post are - Me - Annul - Pandain - You (RoL) - TheMango - Seraph Everyone else basically has less than 10 posts including /in posts, generic "im in the game" posts, and one liners. Really, the thread is long but only because Annul, me, and LSB had a 200 post conversation basically. | ||
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On December 30 2010 12:35 seRapH wrote: Insanious, while I appreciate you trying to get people off me you have to consider that experience doesn't necessarily make anyone good at this game. I mean just look at Coag ;D I'm not defending you saying you aren't red... I'm just saying that losing experienced players hurts the town period. In pokemafia we lost almost every one of our active posters in the first 2 night phases... this left the town with no one really to look to for help. I'd rather keep active town voices alive, even if they are really mafia. It gives the lurkers something to read, and possibly they can actually come across something fishy and analyze it for the rest of town. Once you end up with no one talking, and there being like ~20 posts in a whole day phase the game is over, nothing to look at, mafia wins. With 15 lurkers, losing any of the active players hurts... just cuts the amount of discussion going on, and the number of chances for mafia to slip up. | ||
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On December 30 2010 14:10 annul wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2010 07:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: When it comes to Annul, I was really trying to find another candidate who I could put up as a MH bomb because when I divide the player list by 3 instead of 2 it GREATLY reduces the chance of overlapping bombs. On top of that the way Annul got support is a little fishy, I need to do more analysis on it but it is still extremely strange. The bandwagon IMO should never have been so lopsided in favor of LSB even though I think LSB was suspicious, it is really hard to gather a following on a day 1 lynch UNLESS you are mafia. With that justification and an indepth analysis of Annul being very time consuming at the moment I would prefer to put a bomb on him while doing a further analysis later. "lets kill annul but i cant really explain why" preempting the retort: "but i did explain why!" more than 5 or 6 or whatever players joined my wagon. this means IF your contention would be right, then at least some townies also agreed (hell, YOU did). therefore my logic was not bad. LSB lied hardcore to save his ass. so, if the town agreed, why does that mean i am mafia? LSB didn't lie at all in any way shape or form. The people that lynched him just didn't believe him. LSB told nothing but the truth, don't try and tell people that he didn't to turn his lynch away from you... | ||
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On December 30 2010 14:18 annul wrote: he said he could prove =beyond a shadow of a doubt= his blueness by the end of night 2, "maybe earlier". no role exists in this game that can do that. For before night 2 = gets hit by mafia / DT checks him For after night 2 = ask a vig to hit him, he lives, he is vet. He proves beyond shadow of doubt that he is a vet... done and done. | ||
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Either he proves he's blue. He lives. He doesn't, he dies. This could of happened on night 3, wouldn't of hurt the town at all. It could of only helped by saving a blue for more nights, or saved a blue for the rest of the game. Litterally no down side for the town... so we should of waited. I would of killed him instantly on day 3 if I wasn't 100% sure he was blue. Waiting helped the town, killing him gave us nothing. This is what I was saying... there was no point where I KNEW he was blue. And there was no point that I said I was 100% sure he was blue until after he died... Read my posts, and don't put words in my mouth. | ||
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On December 30 2010 15:20 Mr.Zergling wrote: Also, were is pandain? sleeping probably, like I will be in 10 minutes. Not everyone can be on 24/7 . | ||
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On December 31 2010 01:47 Jackal58 wrote: Apparently I've killed everybody. I win. :p SCUM TELL!!!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneoneone KEEL HIM! | ||
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Maybe after we finally get some discussion going we can actually have some candidates for double lynching. | ||
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First, I want to start by saying Meapak_Ziphh has 15 posts from a thread with around 845 posts in it. This puts him in the bottom 10 for amount of posts in the thread. Now, onto the actual analysis. On December 27 2010 17:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey everyone just read through, nice day post that one was a gem. Anyway while I agree with most of what Pandain has to say I believe LSB said almost the same thing as well... little chummy you two Anyway the votes for pandain are stupid, it's waaaay too early to have a bandwagon people (and c'mon you guys are vets for the most part). Now, I found it interesting that the first actual FoS on LSB came from Meapak_Ziphh. We all attributed the FoS to Annul, but really the first post in the thread that called LSB possibly red was one done by Meapak. Although it was done in a way that allowed him to distance himself from the FoS. But the FoS was the first in the thread, and the bandwagons on both Pandain and LSB took off soon after this post. On December 28 2010 05:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB; while Annul doesn't have a very strong case against you, your defense was pretty pathetic. I've had a bad gut feeling about you for a while, it's not something I was planning on voting on but Annul did bring out all of the problems I had been having with your posts. I'm not voting you quite yet but I would like you to give more than one line answers whenever someone puts a fos on you. Consider this post a +1 for Annul's case against LSB. I'd like to see you take some time in defending yourself and not just brush it off because there were some good points in annul's post. Now it is true that Annul was the first to bring a case against LSB, it was not a very strong one. Even Meapak_Ziphh points out that the case against LSB was a rather weak one. On December 28 2010 15:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I know people are just pressure voting opz but I find it odd how many people signed up for that so quickly. Anyway I'm going to vote for LSB. Annul's analyis isn't that bad considering the game only just started and it seems pretty dumb for a mafia to be that vocal right off the bat. For me the first lynch is always more gut feeling then solid evidence because of how little we have to base our decision off of but in this case I'm feeling pretty good about lynching LSB. Especially since I'm not the only one who saw LSB as suspicious and felt something was off. A couple posts later, and now the case against LSB is "not bad" and worthy of a vote. Before the case was not strong enough, and was only worth of a FoS. But suddenly it changed into Vote worthy. The problem I see with this is, nothing was added to the case at all. No more analysis, just more "no you" posts. On December 30 2010 14:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Insanious you are waaay to certain that you KNEW LSB was blue. Only the mafia KNOW anything 100%. You were ready to believe his blue claim right off the bat which is pretty stupid because it just as easily could have been a mafia lying to save his ass. What I find really strange as well is that you continue to try and say "Well LSB could have proved himself" when clearly he really couldn't without help from the town. Yes we could have had a vigi hit him but boy that would be the dumbest vigi hit ever. Think about it, LSB says "hey vigi hit me I'm a vet" the vigi goes "ok" and bam we lost one of our best options to come back if we're losing in the late game. The benifits of having a vigi with a hit way outweigh the benifits of having a confirmed townie (not even a blue at this point because he's lost his extra life). We can go further with this idea, the mafia could have hit him on the night that the vigi was supposed to hit him thus not only losing a vigi hit but killing a blue as well. In short, LSB lied, he had no way to confirm himself and he just blew his own defense. You're trying to portray yourself as protown because you were against the lynch but you've over emphasised this to the point that it appears scummy. You've also continued to harp on LSB's claim as a point in your favor which doesn't look good either because there was no way to know for sure if LSB was telling the truth although you were all too willing to believe him for my liking. Then, right after the death of LSB. One of the strongest proponents of the LSB lynch, suddenly turns on the defendants of the lynch. Meapak went from "LSB is scum, kill him now" to "anyone who thought that LSB wasn't scum is scum". It just doesn't flow correctly to me... the other LSB proponents (like Annul) didn't suddenly accuse me of being scum. As well, the other people who think I am scum weren't so strongly for the LSB lynch. This type of connection between anti-LSB lynch = scum from someone so pro-LSB lynch just doesn't seem right to me. On December 31 2010 14:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey guys. I just finished compiling a very long and very interesting spread sheet analyzing the voting patterns. I'll share it once it has been proofed and I might wait for a few more votes so it will be even more useful. It doesn't tell me anything conclusive right now but for those with the time I'd encourage everyone to read the voting thread in it's entirity. There's some fascinating stuff there that. Here is some random trivia: Do you know who has voted the most? If my numbers are correct (don't take my word yet I'm still checking everything) the answer to this question is Pandain coming in on top with 6 votes. Do you wanna know who has been voted for the most? Ironically enough if you discount our first lynch target who was voted for by 12 different people, Pandain is the most voted for living person with 10 votes. Oh I've got lots of fun facts. Do you know how many people were the only vote on their target when the votes were tallied? The answer is.... five people were the only votes on their target when the voting ended. Who was the first vote for LSB? How about Brocket? Well those awards go toAnnul and Insanious. I've only just started but before I'm done I'm sure I'll have lots more fun trivia and maybe a few reds for everyone :D And then Meapak's final post seems REALLY scummy to me. "I have secret hidden data based on voting, that I will share eventually but not now, so keep me alive so that I can share it later." It seems like a post that tries to give reason to not kill Meapak without actually adding anything to the town. As well, this post is filled with a lot of FoS's that are connected to data that is not relevant to finding scum. "Insanious was the first one to vote Brocket" ya no duh, I was the one that tryed to get him lynched instead of LSB. "Annul was the first to vote LSB" which is interesting... since the first one to suspect LSB being mafia was Meapak, but I digress. "Pandain has had the most votes on him and remained alive" alright, so... This has nothing to do with finding reds, all it does is FoS people, and confuse the town into thinking there is actual reason to lynch these people. - - - - To me, Meapak seems scummy. He is posting in a way that distances himself from lynches he starts, he attacks those that disagreed with him even if right. Then he posts a non-sense post that does nothing but try to confuse the town. This seems red to me. You can agree or disagree... but its going to be my first vote in this game based on analysis instead of simply a desire to save someone else in the game. | ||
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On December 31 2010 14:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey guys. I just finished compiling a very long and very interesting spread sheet analyzing the voting patterns. I'll share it once it has been proofed and I might wait for a few more votes so it will be even more useful. Why share this information? It doesn't help the town to know that someone is looking at voting patterns, anyone can do that. Not to mention, it is way too early to tell anything from the current votes cast yet. This will be useful on say day's 4 and 5 but not day 2. Now another thing I want to know is what does "one it has been proofed" mean? Once he has checked to make sure it is accurate? how long does that take with a 90 post thread filled 95% with one liners. This to me just seems like a way to tell the town that he is contributing without actually you know... contributing. "I am doing research on my own, so don't worry I am helping... but I can't tell you what I found yet because it doesn't say anything yet." It doesn't tell me anything conclusive right now but for those with the time I'd encourage everyone to read the voting thread in it's entirity. Basically telling everyone that what he has done means absolutely nothing, so don't read too much into it. There's some fascinating stuff there that. Here is some random trivia: Do you know who has voted the most? If my numbers are correct (don't take my word yet I'm still checking everything) the answer to this question is Pandain coming in on top with 6 votes. So then after telling everyone that your numbers mean nothing yet, you FoS Pandain here... with numbers that mean nothing. So what if Pandain switches his vote around a lot, it doesn't mean anything at all. It doesn't make Pandain scummy or town like, it means nothing, why include it? Do you wanna know who has been voted for the most? Ironically enough if you discount our first lynch target who was voted for by 12 different people, Pandain is the most voted for living person with 10 votes. Again useless data NOW, this means nothing after one day. This data means a lot LATER because it shows who's been saved the most during a lynch, but after a single day it just FoS's Pandain without actually meaning anything. Once again, more useless data to confuse the town. Oh I've got lots of fun facts. Notice he doesn't say useful facts, nor does he point out once in this post that anything he just said meant anything at all. This is just it... its kinda nice to know, but means nothing when it comes to finding scum. Do you know how many people were the only vote on their target when the votes were tallied? The answer is.... five people were the only votes on their target when the voting ended. Again, so what. You don't name anyone, you don't say this means anything, its just again more numbers there to make this seem useful when it really isn't, Who was the first vote for LSB? How about Brocket? Well those awards go toAnnul and Insanious. I've only just started but before I'm done I'm sure I'll have lots more fun trivia and maybe a few reds for everyone :D So then again you FoS Annul and myself... even though that means nothing. Annul posted an analysis on LSB after reading YOUR FoS on LSB and voted LSB accordingly. I was trying to save LSB so I started a vote on someone I thought seemed scummy because of past posting habits. Again, so what... we oppenly started the voting against these two people, this means nothing when it comes to finding scum. Here, this post does nothing but FoS Pandain, Annul, and my self. It tries to make Meapak_Ziphh seem useful to the town, without actually adding anything to the town. He is using good mafia analysis techniques (voting analysis) poorly (too early) to point out useless facts (everything in this thread) in order to look like he contributes without doing it. This post is incredibly scummy if I've ever seen a scummy post. | ||
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On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote: And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be. We need the double lynch. The problem is we don't even have 1 good lynch candidate, let alone 2. We need more people that are suspicious to lynch. Who would you lynch right now? I can only think of 1 good person and then the other will be... some random that I don't want to lynch but need to vote for. This is a terrible idea... town KP is good when directed, but when you are just lynching for the sake of lynching that's when bad things happen. | ||
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On December 31 2010 14:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Excuse me? I never fos'd any of those people who I mentioned in my above post. Making a post going "I'm making a huge spread sheet that is going to help find reds" and then bolding people's names looks to me like a way to FoS people without actually saying it... its FoS by association and you know that, don't try to pretend you don't. It's just pointing out stuff I found when looking for patterns in the voting thread which I thought were funny. Out of all the people who voted against LSB because you do seem pretty red to me. I didn't attack you BECAUSE you supported LSB but HOW you supported LSB. I was the only one actively supporting LSB... there was no one else to attack during that besides me. I don't know how you think I was the first person to fos LSB, my comment was more tongue and cheek and if you consider that an fos then I might as well have fos'd pandain as well. I did say you FoS'd Pandain if you read my post. Saying that the bandwagons of "Pandain and LSB followed soon after" also, you don't have to type FoS to FoS someone... any time you say "I'm keeping an eye on player X" or "Player X looks suspicious" that is an FoS... You my friend are actually the one trying to confuse the town, I never said I suspected any of the people I mentioned in my above post. You're putting words in my mouth and making it sound like I have some scary secret I'm keeping from the town. If people really want I'll find somewhere to upload this big scary thing so everyone can see it (I'll give you a hint, it's just a spread sheet showing who voted who). Dude, your post makes it seem like people should be suspicious of the people you bolded. Read what you wrote and how your wrote it. You didn't say "this data means nothing but was interesting" you said "I'm making a spreadsheet to find reds, and look what I found..." you FoS'd people based on how you posted, not on what you said. 10% of Mafia is what you actually post 90% of Mafia is how you post | ||
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Vigilantees should of hit lurkers DTs check lurkers We should lynch Meapak and Mr.Zergling and thats how today should go... BTW, anyone who through RoL was red was a dumbass... RoL spearheaded the lynch on Annul, no mafia would kill their own godfather thats just stupid... so either the mafia double hit RoL or we have a Vig who killed the strongest town left alive... /rage, and I wanted to go comotose on this game since we got two mafia by day 2... but apparently I need to keep playing now, thx a lot RoL... wait... wtf were our medics doing? RoL was an obvious hit, why did no medics protect RoL... wtf is this town doing... /RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE... *cries* Alright back to the game, I guess, time to actually go back to looking at what people have been saying since I analyzed meapak and everyone ignored it. | ||
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Opz killed Node 4x mafia hit RoL Medics protected Pandain + someone else Alright, if anyone got hit that didn't die in the thread, let us know please. | ||
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On January 03 2011 12:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hmmm, why do you think the mafia would double-stack on RoL? Wouldn't it make more sense that: Opz hits RoL Mafia hits RoL and Node RoL takes two hits, dies. Unless there's another vigi, or hits that aren't accounted for due to medics. I'm not sure how the mafia would know that RoL was a veteran and hit him twice, nor can I see a reason they'd want to stack hits unless they were sure he was going to get medic protected, they don't have much KP to spare it seems like with two members dead already. Because: 1) RoL told Annul in PM's he was vigi (said so in IRC and in chat) 2) RoL "claimed" Vet in chat also, because Mafia want to kill active players not inactive ones, and Node doesn't post. Opz said he would prove he is vig my killing an inactive. So either: 1) Mafia hit someone protected by medic (say Pandain) or 2) Mafia killed RoL with 2 hits (which if he was protected by medic, and wasn't a Vet he would die to that as well) and Opz killed Node. I chose #2 and chose to believe we only have 1 vig who is opz who now needs to be protected by medic every night... so I'd say: Medic who protected Pandain, keep protecting pandain Other medic Protect OpZ | ||
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On January 03 2011 12:40 Mr.Zergling wrote: There go two of our best players. I don't think there is anything I can do to convince you that i am not red, so you all are going to waste one of the lynches on me, at least its double. Choose your second more wisely. Also, I picked you at random because I saw people wanting to lynch you before, I'm going to try and find someone else actually worthy of a lynch soon... but your a place holder, sry Zergling... | ||
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On January 03 2011 12:45 Insanious wrote: 1) RoL told Annul in PM's he was vet (said so in IRC and in chat) EBWOP | ||
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Btw, just for me, can we pick at least 1 lynch target(or both...) from these people: - Meapak_Ziphh - Brocket - Jackal58 | ||
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On January 03 2011 13:59 Insanious wrote: EBWOPWell... RoL posted a list of lurkers, and Node was on the list I can let that slide... | ||
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On January 03 2011 22:53 Brocket wrote: @Insanious: right... Kinda like that time LSB got the mewtwo (serial killer) to kill me 'just because I didn't agree with him'. Except it's exactly the same. De ja vu except I like LSB more than you because you make no effort analysing me. FoS on you. What is there to analyze? This is your what... 3rd post in this thread? You are a super lurker, who used the "Its vacation time" defense to say why you are lurking... but then after the holiday's you aren't any more active. Hell, you only came out to post one thing, an FoS on me after I raged for like 4 posts and FoS'd you. Dude, you look like scum: 1) You don't post, you don't help the town, you don't even post after the holiday season like you said you would. 2) You are posting the exact opposite of the way you did when you were a green townie 3) You only get active when FoS'd, and that activity include a poorly constructed defense that is not created to take heat off you, but to discredit me. 4) You just soft claimed blue as a defense to my attacks... w/e | ||
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On January 04 2011 02:46 Barundar wrote: I can't help but notice that RoL suspected both Seraph and Insanious alot, and neither of you switched to annul. Care to explain? Whats the difference in having 16 votes or 30 votes on annul, he dies either way. There was no one else even remotely close to being lynched on that night. Not to mention if Annul had flipped green then there is more to analyze with people's votes being on and off of Annul. Finally... I didn't really look at Annul enough to see him as a red. I saw a very active townie that lynched LSB because he just didn't let go. I didn't get a lot of the PMs or talk a lot in IRC with annul to find out if he was red or not unlike others. So I didn't have that experience to go off of. To me "Hey guys vote this guy because I said so" isn't going to sway me to change my vote from someone that I think is red, mainly Meapak_Ziphh... | ||
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