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Alright, it's time to get some activity going in here. What do you guys think about lynching inactives in the first day? Although, there is only a slim chance of us catching mafia, it would encourage people to post more and the more that mafia post, the greater the chance that they will slip up. | ||
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On January 23 2011 11:34 LSB wrote: It points to people outside of 31 players that play in the game For example, who is ??? what's the point of discussing the clue to that then? | ||
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On January 23 2011 11:39 Kavdragon wrote: Lynching inactives is a tactic to start a discussion. I don't think that we will need to do this, because we will have clues to look at, and a mayor to elect. That should be starter enough to get the information we need to lynch scum. No, I am not doing this only to start discussion. I want to encourage activity and make sure that no one lurks in this game. | ||
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Hmm so far I don't really like any of the candidates. RoL didn't bring much of a platform. DrH, uggh how many times has he lead us astray us town leader? Kavdragon, I don't really like the things he is advocating for. Anyone else want to run for mayor? | ||
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On January 24 2011 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Once. I was only scum mayor once and it was my first game of my mafia about a year ago. I am not talking about you as a mayor, I mean as a town leader in general. I mean take a look at Salem mafia. I think that you are still a better candidate than kavdragon though, and if no one else steps up I will vote for you. And Almost 1500 post, not sure if I can do any long post for my 1500th post as we have only gotten started, but don't expect me to post for a while. | ||
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It would be well worth it if you can trade the mayor for 1 scum, it would be even better if you can trade for 2 but that's highly unlikely. Also, making greens volunteer to be bodyguard is such an ANTI-TOWN PLAN. It would let mafia be able to narrow down who is blue from those who did not volunteer. Well I'm off for tonight. | ||
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Woot, looks like RoL is now seriously running RoL for mayor everyone! And I seriously don't want to have kavdragon for mayor. He is pushing for a scummy plan right from the beginning with the bodyguard volunteering. It has already been covered by multiple people why that is a bad idea. Even if only 4 people volunteered, that still narrows down the list of blues. And there is still the same chance of picking mafia as before(mafia can just volunteer). There is no advantage to town whatsover to volunteering bodyguard. | ||
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That is who are you going to lynch/plans whatever. and RoL since you are back, how are you planning on choosing your bodyguard, and who are you going to lynch first day? | ||
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On January 25 2011 13:01 Kavdragon wrote: A word on policy: Should the Mason contact the mayor night one? This would ensure that masons survive the night, though it's unlikely that the mason, and his convertee are both killed. Other than that, the mayor would then be able to entrust any other information with the original mason. (For instance, my role, any information on blues I have, and vise versa.) Note that while the Mason would be a confirmed townie, the mayor would not be confirmed. Thus the flow of information should only go to the mason, who should not pass it to anyone else unless extreme conditions warrant it. Perhaps with time, the mayor will build enough trust that he can be entrusted with information that the mason has, but I'm not going to assume that. This seems the best plan to me, but I'm looking at it from the mayor's position. Anyone have any problems with this? I'm sorry but this just sounds bad(once again). You are basically putting everything into the hands of the mayor. It is not likely that mafia will find masons during the first day. The disadvantages far outweights the advantages of this plan. | ||
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On January 25 2011 13:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Kav, my entire platform is not to put all your eggs in one potentially scum basket. By revolving everything around the mayor you are dooming the town. Stop with the stupidity. I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch. Why Amber[Light]? kitaman, I would rather not depend on clues over post analysis. And fine, if you think the clue leads to him, and want him lynched for the first day. Don't you already have kavdragon's support? Why discuss it further if kav has already decided to lynch him? | ||
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On January 26 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote: Ok then, Stupid idea. Crossing my fingers on Kav. Mostly my fault for not being here for a bit. Or you can always vote RoL | ||
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and obviously kav is going to check the number of mafias tonight right? Next day, I think it might be more beneficial to check the number of SK's. | ||
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On January 26 2011 14:33 LunarDestiny wrote: But if Kav tells town about how many SK are there, it will help mafia as well. If Kav only checks mafia every night, then it will only benefit town and SK. But I doubt SK threatens town more than mafia threatens town. And how will that help mafia as well? Mafia can already guess the number of SK's from the # of KP per night. | ||
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Still I would like to see his response. | ||
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On January 27 2011 14:16 BrownBear wrote: If anyone took a hit, now would be your time to claim. Also, right now I think the most obvious clue was pointed out already by LD: That's a pretty damning point directly to Nemesis. I do agree that we shouldn't lynch based purely off of clues though. Right now, who I'm thinking of voting for is either Nem or bum. I have voted for Nemesis for the time being, but that is definitely open to change depending on the situation. sigh, do I even have to point out why this analysis is crap? Fine, I guess I will. First of all, the clues are divided into two parts: the two seperate deaths. That means that the clues in the first night points to two different people. Now if you look at the statements that he took from the clues, those are spread out all over the place in the day post. They can be found in both deaths. So unless you are saying that both clues point to me, then that part of your clue analysis is crap. Second of all, this one is just a bit of speculation on how clues work, but the italicized parts and the bold parts feel a bit like red herring. If you look at Night 0's clue, none of the actual clues are found within the italicized parts. Third of all, that kind of feels forced. Well I don't necessarily blame you since you probably don't really understand what my quote is from, and what a reality marble is. A reality marble is magic that forces the reality in your mind to come to life in the real world. So using real as a clue to point to me is rather farfetched. And I just had to facepalm when you bolded really. That just kind of seems too forced. To people doing clue analysis, I would suggest to take a look at Night 0's clues. Since there are a lot of crap analysis going on right now. The clues from night 0 are the "duct tape" which was straight from Qatol's quote. The clues are pretty straightforward. Don't try and look for things which might be related to something in people's profile. For example, someone has a picture of a character from a movie. Then there was something in the clue that could be related to that movie but to a different character in the movie. Mods won't go that far to make the clues as vague as possible. Remember that the clue is directly related to the Profile, not second-hand relation. I don't really have time to delve hardcore into this day's clue right now, but let me just give you what I could find in a short amount of time. And there in the clearing, in the moonlight, Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed, jumping over roots, snapping aside branches. And close behind him a black shape, only a blur in the darkness, gaining, about to grab, only a hand-length away... From Gmarshal's profile As for the second kill, all I could find so far was this: I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. From Kitaman's Profile: "Keeper Yes, my lord; But yet I cannot help you." "Surveyor 'If,' quoth he, 'I for this had been committed, As, to the Tower, I thought, I would have play'd The part my father meant to act upon The usurper Richard; who, being at Salisbury, Made suit to come in's presence; which if granted, As he made semblance of his duty, would Have put his knife to him.'" Now obviously I haven't read all of kitaman's profile so I'm not really sure if I'm taking those out of context. I'll read it when I have the time, but if someone who knows the story there can help me if anything could be related to the clues, I would appreciate it. And of course lynching based on clues alone would be stupid unless the clues are pretty damning, so I will hold out on my vote for now. | ||
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On January 27 2011 15:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh and how many mafia did you census Kavdragon? Its important! 5 mafia according to him. | ||
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If you are going to lynch me, at least have a better reason than LD's clue analysis. I have already pointed out why his analysis is crap. Bolding "really" to point out to Reality Marble. "Flash of steel gun" as pointing out to Flash in my profile. -.- Really, you think that Flash refers to GOD YOUNG HO's ID? And using "blood" to relate it to my profile again which seems to be a theme in all the post so far. If you think, I'm scum, say why. I feel like clues just let people FoS someone without giving a good reason for their votes. | ||
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I would agree with bum's analysis that I haven't really gone into too much detail into explaining some of my opinions, but I would disagree that that points to me being SK or mafia. And I have already pointed out why those clue analysis are crap. Just a couple of things to note though: Aw, he will always be town in my heart. Doesn't mean he is though, red like to cut the strings to other people fairly quickly if they see an outcome ahead of time. If I got lynched, and then the next day we find mafia umbers are the same, nemesis can say itoldyaso. That is a rather big WIFOM. Although people were FoSing you, no one was voting for you so that means that you weren't even up for lynch, which makes it not only WIFOM, but wrong too. | ||
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Mr.zergling - Looking at his post history, he usually posts a lot but a lot of it are one-liners or spam. In this game, he hasn't posted much, but if this keeps up I think he might be modkilled so I wouldn't really lynch him right now. Coag - as mafia and as town, he rather posts a lot, although a lot of it is spam. I think he might be a good lynch candidate. Nemesis - obviously I think he is a bad lynch candidate RebirthofLegend - It seems like people are lynching him because he hasn't done much. Since we don't really have anything solid on him, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch him. But if he continues his rather passive play, I would push for his lynch too. | ||
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Brownbear, you seem to have analyzed all the other candidates except for me yet you are voting me? At least give your reason, and please don't say LD's clues are so good -.- GMarshal, is that a bandwagon vote? | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:36 BrownBear wrote: Because I'm giving Coag a chance, I have already posted my reasoning behind not voting RoL, and I haven't really taken a look at Mr. Zergling yet. Honestly, I'm wondering why I haven't seen anything about him, yet there's votes on him. Secret bandwagon? I'll try to throw up some analysis on Mr. Z, but I am heading to a rehearsal now, so I can't guarantee I'll get a full analysis done before the end of the day. I'll do my best, though. Yet that still doesn't give your reason for voting me. | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: Not really, there's actually a decent case against you, as I said its mostly a place holder though, Im just puting it off of coag because I feel like there was a random bandwagon forming against him. Can you explain what that decent cast against me is then? | ||
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I just have to add that although I haven't gone into too much detail, I have given my reasons for my opinions. And Bum, if you really feel that strongly about me being SK/mafia, then why aren't you voting for me? You are being a bit non-commital here. | ||
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On January 29 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: ##Vote Nemesis and the bandwagon against me continues I'm not even going to bother to defend myself anymore as there isn't even a strong case against me. | ||
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It's 6-6 right now, and I think since I reached 6 votes first, I will still be lynched. I'm going to tell you right now that I am just green. Just some last notes before I die: CubedIn - I think barundar might have a case against him. It's worth looking into. Brownbear - he seems to have analyzed all the lynch targets except for me. :/ Just something to note. | ||
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On January 29 2011 11:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Unvote Mr. Wiggles ##Vote Nemesis Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched. Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything. I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote: oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question. Hahaha, nice find there. And that is quite a wonderful story :X So RoL flipped green. Looks like I have to reevaluate my suspects for now. | ||
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On January 30 2011 12:13 darmousseh wrote: Is it possible that RoL was an SK? Or are we sure he was green? I think that he was most likely green, but we can probably find out by waiting and seeing if anyone claims they have been hit. Yesterday, 2 people claimed to have been hit: Mr. WIggles and Siniquity, and there were 2 deaths, so from what it seems 1 person(probably SK) didn't submit his night action tonight, so there should be 3 hits tonight. | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: EBWOP: Hit (and lived), so vets, SK(s) Also, just thought of this, what happens if there were two SKs, and they somehow both made it to the end? Would it be a tie cause they can't NK eachother? Or would it be who votes for lynch first? :p ... NVM just reread your post before that, sorry it was misunderstanding. | ||
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Let's take a look at how he's playing this game: On January 20 2011 00:08 Jackal58 wrote: Lurkers killed town in XXXV. I intend to leave no lurker alone. This was before the game started. He says that he intends to leave no lurker alone. Night 0, he makes a bunch of spam post, but it's night 0 so it doesn't really matter and he was still playing Mini Mafia IV at that time too. Looking at his day 1 post, he continues the same trend of spammy one liner posts. On January 27 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote: I'm already hung. Working on clues. I thought more than 2 would die. Working on clues, mind sharing that with us? Note: he never did any. On January 27 2011 10:09 Jackal58 wrote: I'm quite fluent in drunk speak. Bum is not drunk. Whether he is a female alien is irrelevant to the problem at hand. You were one of the ones to attempt to mount a mayoral campaign. You're worthy of close observation. On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from. Also note that he voted without giving his reason On January 29 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: ##Vote Nemesis In Summary Not once, did he call out any lurker as he said he would. In fact, he is the one that is LURKING. Not once did he do any analysis as he promised. He is rather not playing his town game. He is rather sitting back and has gone under the radar by posting spammy one-liners, most of which are not even game related. Conclusion: He is scum, most likely mafia I think. | ||
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On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote: The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? | ||
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On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote: Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030 I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.- | ||
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On January 31 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote: That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post. Good try though. Now, not only are you acting scummy, but you are also lying. That post is on page 59, day post is page 58, and that post also quotes coag who calls you out. I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore as I think it is pretty obvious you are red at this point. It's time to discuss next day's target then, while waiting for jackal to be lynched. | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. Beneather and Jackal: Together! Really depends on how hard you base on clues and analysis. Without those, Jackal is really fudged since Beneather is already a BG, and finding out he isn't mafia will make us take a step back and have our census vulnerability take 3 steps forward. Jackal is the obvious choice. If we take that aspect away, they look really similar. Im just going with jackal, because we need to kill scum now, and we need to have this mayor dude keep dishing out the censi. Nemesis better deliver though and not just think he can attack people already under the scope to save himself. I really don't see why you think I'm SK. I think you are tunneling a bit here. Lurker posting? There are a lot of people worst than me like ilovejonn, Eti307, and deconduo. | ||
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On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote: Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else. | ||
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On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote: your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday. That was because I had no clear suspect last day phase, but now I do. | ||
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On January 31 2011 13:19 kitaman27 wrote: Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new. 1. I wasn't really paying attention to jackal last day phase. And I haven't analyzed him until now. 2. I don't really rely on clues if you've been keeping up with my post. I rather prefer on good old behavioral analysis. I think that clues should only be used as a support argument, but not the main argument to use to lynch someone. | ||
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On January 31 2011 13:33 kitaman27 wrote: Well I guess what I'm asking is what triggered you to pay attention to him today, when he was not a suspect the day before. What was the behavioral difference between day two and day three? I can't keep track of everyone's post obviously, and just happened to look at his posting history now. What made me look at his post history is his bandwagon vote on me day 2 and day 3 without any explanation whatsover if that is what you are asking. Kavdragon, although you have explained why you think that jackal is scum, you haven't exactly explained why you think I'm scum. Well, it's late and I have classes early tomorrow so I'm going to sleep now. | ||
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On January 31 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: Personally, despite the fact that Jackal has acted a bit scummy, and despite that I think that the clues are a little stronger, Nemesis looks like a better lynch to me. I defended him yesterday because of his posting history, but what transpired when the votes started coming down was MUCH more suspicious than what happened with Jackal. I don't think that either are ideal lynch candidates, but it's not an ideal world. Well then, why don't you provide an ideal lynch candidates? | ||
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On January 31 2011 13:10 Coagulation wrote: I think we should go back to putting pressure on nemesis. When nemesis was on the block. I remember alot of people scrambling to incriminate other people. I don't know where you see this. Looking back at the part where I was barely saved, it was just a few people saying they think I'm innocent including you. No one was scrambling trying to incriminate other people. Why the hell is town tunneling so badly on me that they can't even get their arguments straight? -.- | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:17 Divinek wrote: It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran Yes, jackal just claimed vet. On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote: If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. Let me just sum up the case against me so far: Day 2: - clues - bum's analysis on me which somehow proves I'm SK. Although I would agree that bum's analysis was pretty good, I don't see how that leads to the conclusion that I am SK. - "I think all the other lynch candidates are town, so I'm going to leave my vote on Nemesis even though I'm not sure he's scum" Day 3: - all of the above - he somehow survived the last day's lynch so he must be scum Do you really think those are strong arguments to lynch someone? :/ You know what I'll make it easy for you guys even though you don't even have a coherent case against me. If you believe jackal's vet claim, then vote for whoever you like, but if you don't believe his claim, then lynch jackal. | ||
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On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. You have some nice WIFOM there as your argument. Not a whole lot of reason to take out d3 other than he pointed scum? No one was even following d3's list at the time, and I doubt they anyone would follow it with how inactive he has been. Can't think of any other reason why mafia would kill d3? How about doing what you are doing now and framing the people he suspected? | ||
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On February 01 2011 03:13 deconduo wrote: -In what way is that WIFOM? Its a pretty good idea to kill off someone who suspects your entire team. Obviously theres no proof of that being the reason he was killed, but its a good theory imo. On the other hand, your argument is WIFOM. -Nice chainsaw defense of beneather, I like how you completely ignored all the clues against him. I wasn't defending beneather, I was attacking your bad logic, and as I said before I don't care too much about clues. Yes, I know what I said is WIFOM, but what you said is also WIFOM, and I am pointing that out to you. I have just showed you how it is WIFOM by creating a probable scenario which contradicts your WIFOM situation. | ||
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On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. Ok a few things bother me about this post. 1. Completely no mention of jackal...trying to save your scumbuddy here? 2. Killing town's census over a WIFOM argument over speculations on d3's death. Ace has mentioned it before in TMM3 when aidnai mislynched in LYLO because of speculating on why mafia would fakeclaim being roleblocked, "You don't know what mafia knows" so you shouldn't speculate too much on what they might do. 3. And in his post after, I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that I was defending beneather when I was clearly at the top of your list. The obvious conclusion would be I'm defending myself. Trying too hard to connect factions here? | ||
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On January 31 2011 21:59 Nemesis wrote: Did everyone else miss this? Yes, jackal just claimed vet. Let me just sum up the case against me so far: Day 2: - clues - bum's analysis on me which somehow proves I'm SK. Although I would agree that bum's analysis was pretty good, I don't see how that leads to the conclusion that I am SK. - "I think all the other lynch candidates are town, so I'm going to leave my vote on Nemesis even though I'm not sure he's scum" Day 3: - all of the above - he somehow survived the last day's lynch so he must be scum Do you really think those are strong arguments to lynch someone? :/ You know what I'll make it easy for you guys even though you don't even have a coherent case against me. If you believe jackal's vet claim, then vote for whoever you like, but if you don't believe his claim, then lynch jackal. Did everyone miss this or does everyone really believe jackal's claim? | ||
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Forget all my other suspects before, here are my new list: jackal - I think I've already outlined my case against him several times. deconduo - he has like 10 post TOTAL in this game. what? He has been pretty useless if he is town this game, but I think he is mafia with the way he's been trying to get me lynched and defending jackal. Note: he did not even give an opinion on jackal kav - I think that kav is town, but he needs to step up his game. If you think that town is heading in the wrong direction, then POINT them to the right direction. Don't be so passive. "I don't have a case against impervious so I'm just bandwagoning with town" That attitude really bothers me. Find another target then, do some analysis. You have done shit this game except for having census power. Coag - is town, but he is an idiot as usual Coag, I already roleclaimed last day -_- | ||
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On February 01 2011 10:55 LSB wrote: Node Node Node! You have to use my night post! What, is town going to cook me and eat me? :X | ||
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