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On January 25 2011 08:55 BrownBear wrote: Who is aidinai? More importantly, why has he managed to completely derail town with one useless post?
Let's focus more on the mayoral debate. For one, I wonder why RoL voted Kav without giving reason. Maybe he's just not voting for himself, either because he doesn't think he can, or because he is being polite. Or maybe he's decided he doesn't want the mayoral position that much after all. If so, why? To answer this. I generally don't like voting for myself in an election, I feel like its bad taste. But if people are going to think I am conceding the position when I just pushing for it then I will change my vote.
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On January 25 2011 10:45 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah I'm good with your case against ON Kav, and you just made me feel a lot better about voting for you. However several people have voted for both you and RoL now and failed to give a reason for those votes. I'd like everyone to justify their votes in the thread for later reference. I voted for Kav because he seems like he's going to be a good, active mayor. Since he inadvertently started his campaign prior to the roles given out, the chances of him being mafia are as good as an RNG without any of the downsides. I liked RoL's long post, but it was too long overdue and not enough to persuade me. I remember a while ago they used to ban that in games. I guessed we stopped though. Running before the game started is stupid and doesn't give you shit to analyze. They can use it as a point of trust when they could of lucked their way into a strong mafia position.
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Kav, my entire platform is not to put all your eggs in one potentially scum basket. By revolving everything around the mayor you are dooming the town. Stop with the stupidity.
I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch.
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I don't believe in a mayor centered town obviously. That is stupid. I am going to try to encourage everyone to contribute and analyze because that is the only way we are going to win this game. We need to make people talk and make them slip up if they are not town aligned. The only reason I want to be mayor is so I have a longer period of time where I can try and make people contribute and attempt to be a voice of reason.
So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that
Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more.
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I like your reasoning Kav all up until the bit about the mason's. By the mason joining with the mayor it is creating a circle so to speak which I believe is what will do us in. We can't have all our ideas coming from 2-3 people. I want everyone contributing and by creating a circle you destroy possibility of that. I don't approve of any plan that puts powerful people and powerful roles together when they can't be confirmed. It leads to players looking for guidance from those who they perceive as "knowing more".
Mason's are an interesting role. The way I'd recommend playing it would be to try to recruit those who you think are town and treat everything they say as if you think they are mafia. IN PMland people are more likely to slip up and say something stupid. They are also more inclined to try to hard manipulate someone through PM's. From a mafia perspective it is MUCH safer than manipulating people publicly. Anyway, the mason role needs to be constantly vigilant and never too trusting.
I will switch my vote back too kav.
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Yeah that's true. I think we haven't really discussed how important census is either. Obviously the first night we should check to see how many mafia there are so we can periodically check our progress. I suggest every other night we check mafia and figure something else out that is useful to do.
My current thoughts are N1 check all mafia count. N2 we check serial killer count. That should give us an idea of the KP count. It might even give us insight into clues if we understand how many of the night kills are ALWAYS going to be attributed to the SK's. From previous games if the mafia KP formula is X/2 = KP where X is total mafia members then each night KP/clues will alternate between the players while SK's own their KP solely and we don't have to worry about overlapping.
I think the best way to attempt to use census is constantly alternating between checking SK's and checking mafia total count that way we kind of have an idea of how many mafia/SK are left and can judge our progress and get an idea of a mafia pushed a bad lynch thinking we couldn't tell the difference. The reasoning being that I expect mafia to attempt to be more aggressive in this set up since there is no flips so they don't face true repercussions for their actions. The only issue with this plan is it relies on the mayor being honest and town aligned. Its another reason we need a town aligned mayor, census will give us a HUGE advantage that I woudln't want to throw away. Personally I think Kav is probably a townie so I am not too worried about either one of us getting it. Although I do find it strange that the mafia aren't vying for such a powerful role which is what makes me a bit suspicious of Kav, but my read on him is he wouldn't be comfortable enough to do this his first game as mafia and I will stick to that I suppose.
Tomorrow before I go to work I am going to try to do some actual clue and behavioral analysis as well as look over the OG guy. Since Day ends tomorrow one of us has to decide on a lynch target for sure.
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A question I want to pose to the hosts though.
You have the power of Census. Every night, you have the ability to determine the number of any alignment or role in the game. For instance, you can check the number of mafia total, OR the number of godfathers, OR the number of roleblockers in the game. The valid alignments are Town (returns the number of vanilla townies), Special Town, Mafia, and Serial Killer. All roles listed here can be counted. For the purposes of census, bodyguards, the mayor, and godfathers count as their original alignments and roles.
When this power is used during the night phase does it give you the Census before or after the kills are calculated? For example lets say there are 10 townies during the night phase and the mafia hits 3 of them meaning that by day there would be 7. If I censused townies would I 7 or 10? This is assuming the census is returned with the day post and NOT immediately.
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On January 26 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 23:35 Kavdragon wrote: Perhaps this is a stupid question to ask, but why does the mayor need to be the one with the plan? He's already been given the power of census, and the protection of the bodyguards, why give him the reigns as well?
The biggest reason I can think of is that the mayor is given protection, so you want an active and helpful townie. But that doesn't mean that they have to become some god who's word is law or anything. The power of who is lynched, what the town plans are, and all of that should be in the town's hands. If the mayor doesn't have good enough , or isn't vocal enough, then why listen to him?
Like RoL said, don't put all your hope in one person. Don't let one person decide what's going to happen. This discourages activity, and makes it easy for the mistakes of one person to decide the game. Everyone should be vocal in what they think should be done. No one should rely on another person to make their decisions for them. Well, the mayor gets the most information out of all the town aligned players and therefore any plan relies on having that census information which only the mayor has access to. Also he is the only known player with a specific role. Of course by default, the mayor needs to be align checked right away to make sure we aren't getting mis-information. If the mayor is a townie though, then he is arguably the most powerful townie. I am pretty sure an alignment check doesn't work on the mayor. DT checks show up as him being mayor only.
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Oh well, so I lost the election. Kav what are you going to do with Census?
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On January 27 2011 11:28 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:RoL's Profile Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth;
And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. Every city has its dark place, the area that no one in their right mind will go. Ours is the forest, the woods that loom in the center. Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there, and certainly no one would venture there in the night.
But tonight, the forest stirs. Its solitude is intruded upon. First thing that comes to mind points to RoL. Murder scene could be the road less traveled. I quickly glanced through all of the of the profiles and the only hint i could find was in RoL's profile which would correspond to the story That seems like a ridiculous stretch.
I was roleblocked last night.
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I will say this, I didn't even read all of Kita or somoene else profile. So ridiculously long I didn't even feel like it. Plus I think LSB would punish them with an obvious clue so that anyone who put the effort into trying would be rewarded.
Anyway, I think I figured out a clue. I noticed a recurring trend in the two day posts we have and its a reference to an animal-like mafia.
The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make
As the host brought around the drinks, as the the crowd crescendos with laughter, as the band broke out into another song... I felt something was wrong. Did the lights in the ceiling just black out? Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? I see three possibilities for this clue. Pandain (Now Deconduo) who I think is the strongest. http://i.imgur.com/q14Fx.png Profile talks about his dogs.
The other person it might reference is brownbear, barring just his name his profile references cats.
I think pandain/deconduo is stronger for the clue, but I would do a behavioral analysis before I would jump to anything crazy and kill one. _____________- The next thing I find interesting is TheAldo. I think TheAldo MIGHT have been mafia killed by the SK. If you look at both Day posts they both have one person whose kills are talked of in first person. The killer is marked by cowardice and fear of blood. That person is the serial killer. I will do more of an analysis on that later, but this is to focus on TheAldo.
If you look at the scenario of the Day post its presailing party in Florida. TheAldo's profile directly talks about how he is a Floridian. ____________
The next thing is I think one of our killers apparently has a hole in his head
It was outside, our ship’s nurse Korynne was on the ground, hand clutching her slit throat, black blood gurgling onto the ground. Behind her, a man dressed completely in black, knife clutched in his hand, a hole in his head. A hole in his head? The only person I really saw this relating to was very loosely to Amber. If they were trying to be vague Amber has a gif of The Situation in his profile. That guys retarded. Which is what a hole in his head could be implying.
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I just realized, I may have misinterpreted a clue which would doubt my analysis of TheAldo clue.
And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. I think this line might actually refer to Aldo watching Meapak getting killed. Which would mean TheAldo is a detective. I initially read it as belonging to the SK, but then the SK follows him and kills him which is all in first person. I don't think the clues would lapse in and out of first person for the SK.
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Oh and how many mafia did you census Kavdragon? Its important!
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I won't bother because its a bunch of shit. I am not mafia.
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Alright, I reread his analysis. I will give it a decent rebuttal. The core of his arguments revolve around him beleiving a mafia has to have run for mayor. My play was a little shaky and inconsistent. I called for analysis but didn't really do any which is a terrible example to set. Its a good point, a mafia tell is usually urging other people to do things but not doing anything themselves. I usually consider that a more late game orientated tell and is usually accompanied by echoing other peoples arguments.
I will say this, I consider the way you analyzed the clues a little suspicious. From what the hosts showed us it is way more simple than that. Being tied by duct tape referred to Qatol's Burn Notice quote. Quite simple. Entire paragraphs detailing the scenery doesn't fit the bill for a clue. The reason I say that I find that method of clue reading suspicious is because the way to read it and the example shown seem obvious, and on top of that the BEST way for mafia to play aggressive without it being obvious is to abuse clues. A behavior analysis can be very hard from a mafia perspective while looking at a clue is just a matter making a person match a clue, not a clue match a person.
Overall I thought his analysis was pretty weak. His conclusion just sums up what he said and makes it sound much better than it actually was. If you read the entire thing and read all of his points and look at his clue analysis with a critical eye it shouldn't be hard to realize his conclusion about me being red and his sureness doesn't seem to have the proof he is claiming.
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If that's true I think a hit most likely got blocked last night. Even if the set up is favored for mafia with no alignment flipping, I really doubt it would only be 1 KP. 2 even seems low even considering the SK presence. Has anyone confirmed protection or has a vet taken a hit? If no one claims there is a good chance the mafia actually hit the SK.
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If you read the clues the SK probably is the kill who talks in first person meaning the SK/mafia didn't stack. Of the players killed I doubt any of them would of been stacked by the mafia themselves, meapak didn't scream blue and I speculate that TheAldo was killed by the SK. I believe OriginalName or TheAldo was a potential mafia death.
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On January 28 2011 13:38 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 13:07 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2011 12:56 GMarshal wrote: Hence I think we should pressure and, if we don't get satisfactory results, lynch them. For now, I'm going to vote Coagulation , I may switch over to another equaly inactive player later, but for now Coagulation's pro inactive attitude seems highly suspicious to me. Despite me poking at coag, I still think we should focus the lynch between nemesis and RoL rather than spread it out between a bunch of people. RoL has been laying low relative to how he started and nemesis hasn't really defended himself adequately either. I'm more concerned about RoL laying low than Nemesis' clue connections. We can analyze how the clues connect to Nem all we want, but it's very strange that RoL was reasonably active for a day leading up to Kav being chosen as mayor, then disappeared off the radar. With that in mind, time to take a closer look at our possibly-friendly neighborhood RebirthOfLegenD. IMPORTANT STATS: Posts in thread: 37 Posts Day 1: 29 Posts Day 2: 8 (At this rate, he'll have 17 or so by the end of the day cycle.) This is an interesting thing, which I just mentioned. He's been significantly more inactive Day 2 than Day 1. This could be attributed to a number of things (he's not trying to run a mayoral campaign, everyone's a little less active day 2, etc.), but really, it's worth noticing. It by itself means nothing, though, lets look at more stuff. PROFILE: He has no photo, so that's easy. Let's look at his public profile: Show nested quote +Welcome to the war
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
"What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore-- And then run? Does it stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over-- like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?"
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That account was created on 2009-03-04 00:41:24 and had 16 posts.
Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you. And his quote: "Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!" Nice plug of the mafia forum there, and I was unable to find any clues pointing to that. To his public profile though... People have mentioned the "You can't run" possibly referring to MP running away, I'm not sure I buy it. It's a very very tenuous connection at best. That said, I'm not sure Node/LSB wanted to make the clues as obvious as they seem to be about Nemesis, so... perhaps. Moving on to the really important bit: ANALYSIS OF HIS POSTS: Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 18:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: hey! I will run for mayor too.
My platform is only that I will destroy the souls of mafia.
That is all. His first post after the game has really gotten started. I can't tell if this is a subtle critique of Kav and kita's silly mayoral platforms, or whether he actually was serious from the get-go. Regardless, he gets more serious about his platform quickly: Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 23:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 23 2011 22:56 Jackal58 wrote:On January 23 2011 18:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: also why does everyone keep talking about Qatol? Hes not even in the game o.O? Pffff. And you're running for mayor? Do try to keep up my good sir. I haven't actually read most of the thread yet. Kav is a decent and level headed townie, although I don't remember ever seeing him as mafia. I tend to be much more erratic of a player but I do get results whatever we choose I am fine with. Oh wait nevermind. A soft endorsement of Kav. Going off of meta, which I agree with in terms of Kav being a good player and a reasonable dude. I'm sure he gets serious about his candidacy at some point... Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Do I vote here? I don't see a thread so I will assume yes. I will vote for Kavdragon I suppose.
##Vote: Kavdragon Not yet... Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 18:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: TMM2, Insane Mafia, Merc Mafia would be accurate to my current play style. All my previous games as mafia would not be accurately representative of my current skill. If you want an overview of my play style I will just tell you.
As a town I am generally more aggressive, while as mafia I am more conservative with what I do. Although I think the play styles would be harder to tell apart, I think a distinct difference which I know I used to make and work to rectify is that as mafia I will be more focused on a few individuals while as town I will focus on many. The reason being is as mafia its harder to create a fake case that you can believe in and believing the viability of what you are telling people is the most key part to any game as mafia. When you are lying you have to know your story has as few holes and logical inconsistencies as possible. If you look at Merc mafia and read how I played I made sure not to mimic previous play styles and played hyper aggressive, although that could be attributed to the fact that Annul/LD teaming up would of lead to our demise. If you read what I wrote from my perspective I was much more coherent than Annul and my points kind of stuck together and I rarely attempted to make huge jumps. Only at the end did it become much harder to keep my story but that was due to the complexity of the game and the hassle that contracts created.
I think the biggest tell I have as mafia is my behavior on AIM. I generally obsess over mafia games and read it for hours and hours each day until I die. As town I tend to post whenever I feel like it but as mafia I only post when I feel it is necessary. IE: I will feign inactivity to avoid commenting on a situation, or make sure I wait until its too late to reverse a stupid band wagon. Usually if I do the latter I will purposely try to divert the lynch to a team mate that way if either one of us dies it makes the other look better via wifom.
Now as far as this game goes, I am honestly just tired and I know this game is going to be a fucking shitstorm if you guys haven't learned ANYTHING from previous games. If you took NOTHING from Salem, if you took NOTHING from PYP3 then this game is going to be fucking gay as shit and we are going to get RAPED. Let me explain why.
In those games people flipped and eventually you kind of got an idea if someone was full of shit after 3 mislynches, but in this you don't know if something is a mislynch so you can have one asshole doing clue and behavioral analysis killing town left and right and you don't know if hes right or wrong. If everyone is focusing on that one person to champion them to victory you are going to doom us. Especially if the mayor is mafia. The ONLY way to confirm if any mafia have died is with 2 census reports. One today on mafia count and one somewhere down the line. The problem with that is if the mafia gets mayor we have no idea if we are on the right track and could easily get manipulated into having another game where we have 9/10 mislynches.
Here is how we counter this. Everyone fucking analyze everything. Do not EVER let one person do all the work, to win this game the town has to keep analyzing. Everyone has to analyze and we have to decide what has the most merit as a collective. If you have a few people doing analysis we will lose in this game faster and harder then in any other set up. Seriously guys. This isn't a fucking boot camp, this isn't some let us baby you set up. In this set up if you are lazy, if you fuck up, you lose us the game. This game requires an effort from EVERY townie to actually win and fuck if we get a mafia mayor then we are fucked. If any single person seems to be trying to take control of the town and who we lynch that is suspicious because channeling our lynches on the thoughts of one person who we can't prove there worth is going to make us die.
Now to business. I ain't fucking mafia. If you make me the mayor I will do everything I can to ensure that we stay organized and have EVERYONE doing analysis. If you aren't going to put work into analysis then you need to get the fuck out of the game the express way, via death. Anyone who is scared to contribute is most likely mafia not wanting to be suspicious and if you refuse to contribute you should be considered top of the list suspicious. Now onto why I think the other candidates suck.
DoctorHelvetica is okay and organizing the town but he ALWAYS takes a too central role and runs around in circles chasing his own tail until the mafia decide to put him out of his misery. Look at Salem. If this game is played like Salem where everyone just agrees on what one person says we are going to lose, and we are going to lose hard. DoctorHelvetica has never proven himself able to handle the town without putting too much focus on himself. The worst part about this is his town play that I have seen for mayor would play so hard against us, and if hes mafia he just has to do the same shit and keep the town tunneled and making bad decisions and we are boned. DoctorHelvetica will be an EXTREMELY dangerous mayor to have one way or the other and he is not worth the risk.
Kavdragon I feel a lot better about. He's a pretty level headed guy in the games I played with him and as he showed in Merc Mafia hes not above manipulating the shit out of people. Although he is a nice guy and I don't know if he could be direct enough to yell at people and get people killed when it comes down to it. Can you berate someone until they contribute and do what you want? Can you do the analysis and the follow through to take down scum? I know Kavdragon is decent but I don't think he has the experience like I do for this position. Although I don't believe he is mafia. I haven't seen him play a game as mafia yet and he seems like the cautious type who wouldn't put himself out there without experience. What I mean by that is if Kav was mafia I think he would play more layed back because hes not as familiar with what to do, while if he was town he would be more outgoing and confident in his play and run for mayor.
Those are my current thoughts on the election. I obviously think I am better qualified than anyone else for the position and I think I am our best bet to victory. Overall though the best chance for victory is in the towns collective efforts. This is the game where all the mafia has to do is shut down the active contributors and win because we are in the dark. However if the whole town is active that plan doesn't exist for them. The only way to win this game is through overwhelming effort and activity. Lets the last game I play show that TL town's have learned something from bootcamp, let this game show that even when a game forces the town to use every ounce of cunning we have to win that we can step up and do it.
Let this be the game where the town overcame the mafia. BOOM. There we go. This is his real platform here. The most important thing here is, he tells us his playstyle. I've only played a couple games with him, but he plays pretty much like he said, so he is telling us the truth here. Not a very scummy move at all, giving the town the key with which to catch and lynch you. He goes on to talk about metastrategy regarding the other candidates. Here, I think he sells Dr. H a little bit short, (I think Dr. H is a pretty good player and a decent scumhunter) but he's very clear about what he wants the plan for town to be: He's not taking a central role, all faith is not placed in him, he's just playing the role almost of cheerleader, getting town to get psyched about catching scum, getting them all involved. That's not a scummy move at all, in fact that's the opposite. A scum mayor would be much more like "trust in me guys, I'll save you!", then lead town in circles while mafia ate them alive. RoL wants town to win, that much is clear from this post. He disappears for a while after this post, which is kind of strange. I guess his apathy got the better of him... He comes back after most people have abandoned his campaign and tries to save it with a few one liners that outline good strategy, but in a really lazy, half-assed way. Then: Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 13:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I don't believe in a mayor centered town obviously. That is stupid. I am going to try to encourage everyone to contribute and analyze because that is the only way we are going to win this game. We need to make people talk and make them slip up if they are not town aligned. The only reason I want to be mayor is so I have a longer period of time where I can try and make people contribute and attempt to be a voice of reason. So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more. This is the core of his platform, and rehashes the above long post into a much more cohesive idea: Mayor-centric towns lose games. This is true. Also, he calls out Amber, which ended up being inconsequential - so far. Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I like your reasoning Kav all up until the bit about the mason's. By the mason joining with the mayor it is creating a circle so to speak which I believe is what will do us in. We can't have all our ideas coming from 2-3 people. I want everyone contributing and by creating a circle you destroy possibility of that. I don't approve of any plan that puts powerful people and powerful roles together when they can't be confirmed. It leads to players looking for guidance from those who they perceive as "knowing more".
Mason's are an interesting role. The way I'd recommend playing it would be to try to recruit those who you think are town and treat everything they say as if you think they are mafia. IN PMland people are more likely to slip up and say something stupid. They are also more inclined to try to hard manipulate someone through PM's. From a mafia perspective it is MUCH safer than manipulating people publicly. Anyway, the mason role needs to be constantly vigilant and never too trusting.
I will switch my vote back too kav. Good honest debate here, discussing how the mason role works. Again, so far I haven't seen anything that's triggering my scumdar. I could go into Day 2, but not enough has been posted yet. CONCLUSION: It seems the only real case against RoL is from his inactivity Day 2 + one really tenuous clue connection. He's been outlining some very helpful practices town should be following, hasn't contradicted himself yet, and hasn't done anything obviously scummy. The only weird thing is his apathy. He's come out and posted great stuff, but very sporadically, and his heart doesn't really seem to be in this game like it has in the past. For that reason, I'm pegging him as Green, and a very apathetic green. What RoL should do is try and recapture some of the energy of past games, and get his ass in gear to provide this high quality analysis he says is coming. Just so you know, you hit this 100%. I point this out and I know you can't trust what I say until the game is over but this was a very very good analysis imo. I like that you try to take into account exactly what I am thinking at the time and not just attempting to reinterpret something I post. A good player will rarely slip up in individuals posts and the best way to figure out there alignment is to look at what the general goal behind everything they say is and try to figure out what is going on with them.
A lot of the time I am inactive is because of work. Today I worked 10-7 then hung out with my girlfriend until 1, so I was gone most of the day. The extreme spam in the thread makes reading hard. Based off this post though I would wager you are town. Superb analysis and I am actually impressed.
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On January 28 2011 01:28 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 27 2011 23:48 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 23:42 papapanda wrote: so siN is a vet? (or SK teehee:D) Although i doubt bum's role(and brownbear, a little bit), his clue analysis seems legit...RoL is basically only stating that bum is abusing clue-->so bum is mafia and clue are more simple(?) than the way bum is analyzing them. Bleh this is why i dislike the clues, please don't lynch anyone just because of clues!!!!
Wait so who of them do you think is innocent and who are you suspecting here? First, bum's last minute mayor vote randomize try was suspicious, as many people already pointed out. Also he is dropping a ton of pressure on RoL with the clues. Second, brownbear was kinda acting scummy when he agreed to bum's idea imediately. Do you guys realise that bb switched from RoL-->Kav and then back with the following reason: Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:43 BrownBear wrote: ##Unvote: Kavdragon ##Vote: RebirthOfLegenD
Gotta go with my gut on this one. Lastly its RoL, who, as i see it, is not responding with any logical reasoning, and is instead only counter accusing bum(where i read somewhere that it is a trait of mafias:D)Conclusion: bum is suspicious based on rash actions; might need to keep our heads up. RoL has some obvious clues(that i REALLY do not want to go by)but is also acting a bit suspicious, again, I would keep a close eye on... I think bum and RoL both have greater influence over the town BUT... until further info... BB has been jumping all over the place and backing off real fast when he feels threatened, and, perhaps most outstandingly, doesn't have any legit reason behind most of his actions. Right now I am "going with my guts" on my vote on BB for lynch(not because of clues, i would like to point out, but because of his actions). *haha, unsure of some gramatical structure of english, too much SAT classes recently my head is a bit messed up>< I read this and before I forget I wanted to respond. Read what I wrote. I made sure I wasn't accusing bum of mafia off the bat. I would never do that until I am completely finished with an analysis and since I haven't read his posts yet I would only point out some things I find suspicious. I feel I made that CLEAR with the post he is referring to. The content of that post says that I find the way in which bum is using clues to be suspicious and mention how I believe it fits the profile of just how mafia would be playing this game. Clue Based Aggression. A townie will try to link clues to players and a mafia will try to link players to clues. The abstract way Bum decided to use clues to capitalize on my mild inactivity wreaked of the latter method of clue usage. I wanted to point that out and it wasn't OMGUS.
To just say what I actually think about Bum so far it would be just off that analysis of me which is sad that some people thought held weight. The behavior aspect of his analysis on me was inaccurate and wrong. Brownbear had it right. Since I thought I was being pretty transparent I find it odd someone I would consider decent would pursue such an odd line of interpretation. Only when I looked at his clue analysis was it a big T_T moment as I explained earlier.
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