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This seems short and interesting. If this is a clue focused game then maybe I'll /in. Mini games are neat.
I'll /in for now actually. If you can elaborate a bit more on how this game will work (you can PM me if you prefer) then I'll make a decision but the "picking a person" sounds awesome if it is what I think it is.
Anyway, I'll choose Thom Yorke (lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter from the band Radiohead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Yorke
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"a twitchy one eyed leprachaun stabbed the mayor to death, babbling about global warming as he slaughtered him mercilessly"
hopefully it wont be that obvious
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A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
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On January 30 2011 03:35 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote:While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all? On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote: Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.
One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story. A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.
EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out. This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else? Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all. If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion. Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.
This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
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On January 30 2011 07:24 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought. Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet? Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly. Yes I know they don't eat humans. But if I were a mod and writing a clue for a panda bear I'd probably just go the "frenzied animal maiming" route. Referring to bamboo is too obvious.
I said that because earlier someone implied the clues made you exempt. Let me make it clear I'm not accusing you of being the attacker. I'm merely stating it isn't an impossibility and it would be close minded to clear you.
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On January 30 2011 07:28 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 07:24 Pandain wrote:On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought. Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet? Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly. I asked my wife and she said that they will occasionally attack humans but it is a very rare occurence. Even though their diet is mostly bamboo they will eat meat. However, pandas probably wouldn't eat the whole body and would leave a very mangled body left over. the second point is irrelevant as clues in mafia games will not function based perfectly on logical reality. that isn't the kind of thing i want to see as a defense.
one thing i hate about clue games is there is no possible way to defend yourself from them aside from the chainsaw defense which is inherently scummy.
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##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
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On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.
A couple things wrong here:
A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.
C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
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On January 30 2011 09:59 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote:Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara. Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak. Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean. On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts. On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote: Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear. I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong. This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that? Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it. 1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much. Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected? So that makes me suspect number 1. Because my character can do all of the things mentioned. That would make me suspect number 1 on every day post every time someone picks Q or an omnipotent being as their character. If only you get the powers of your character you're playing ^^ Would've ended this entire mafia game in 1 second. Anyways, one another thing. I don't know why chaoser already is voting against Node which has no connection to the day 1 post yet. He could be mafia but he isn't described in the clues in any way. Dinosaurs lol. Voting for Node is just a blind pick and hoping he is mafia. It kind of makes it seem that you're trying to divert the attention away from one of the main suspects (Carlos most likely).
because posting behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>> clues and chaoser is smart enough to know that
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On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it. Two things wrong here: A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile. B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do. EBWOQ (edit by way of quote). Explanation of "chainsaw defense" should not be included in criticisms because I was just answering a question.
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On January 30 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it. A couple things wrong here: A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy. C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do. I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red. I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.
i don't understand your response
so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
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On January 31 2011 07:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 30 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post. I don't know if LSB went that far. Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it. A couple things wrong here: A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.
B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy. C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do. I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red. I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting. i don't understand your response so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!! Stop putting words in my mouth.
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4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
I was just saying there was something else possible besides Gulliver's Travels reference and that A Modest Proposal may be more likely to be referenced. That's all. I'm not insinuating you accused GMarshall. I'm just expanding on what you said.
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Well done.
Hopefully the medics know who to protect tonight.
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from the pm's pandain sent me it looks like his goal was to find another vote opportunity
if he's mafia, it's smart that he'd check with me. if i come out and try to get the vote change it gives that initiative more credibility and could take suspicion off pandain if jackal flips later.
wait for tomorrows clues, but pandain is the most suspicious character right now.
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On February 01 2011 10:36 shannn wrote:I should've read posts better. I missed the posts saying that the mafia lsb mentioned were not in the game lol. So what is happening now guys? Mafia can kill 1 and town just waits till day >.>? How do we people know there's a medic in the first place? I know it's mentioned in the roles but isn't stated anywhere that there is a medic in the first place. But on the other hand it could also very well mean there are 2 medics or w/e. This goes for veteran as well. But if there is a medic among us then the following people should be protected: - Mr. Wiggles: I think Mr. Wiggles should be first because he was spot on with Jackal with his first analysis and he is very usefull for Town. - DrH: He's been being very objective and not discounting anything. Furthermore anything what Jackal said was mostly contradicted by DrH like how to analyse etc. So this gives me an even more impressions that he's surely pro-town. But in any case I have another thing while I was reading the past pages of this thread. Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 14:54 chaoser wrote:On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote: Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references? Anybody up on their Lilliputians?
I'm going to bed. My head hurts. I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power. Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands. All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue? Chaoser quotes Jackal and both of them were thinking about the 18th century Naval references. I would expect chaoser to be a bit experienced in mafia yet he thinks about the 18th century references which should not be an indication for mafia people because if you combine that with LSB's day 1 post it would indicate that he is probably mafia. Show nested quote + Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology
Furthermore he randomly votes for Node out of the blue. Of course this can be interpreted as a way to pressure someone to actually post more and I asked why he would do such a thing? Chaoser then went inactive for some reason or just doesn't want to respond to my questions. DrH then gave me a logical reason but from his view and not from chaoser's. DrH then tells me that posting behavior means clues and he also says that chaoser is smart enough to know that. So why would chaoser do something like that? Beginners mistake? So this gives me an even more of an impression that chaoser is most likely mafia and to watch out for.
i would elaborate on this but i don't like talking during night phase
honestly town shouldn't talk at all. it does more harm than good.
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It may well be Chaoser.
Holden Caulfield hates others. That could explain the first picture (drop the bomb).
A quote from wikipedia about a story involving Caulfield: "Once home, he is not shown confronting his parents, who, according to the maid, are playing bridge."
That connects to the fourth picture. If anyone has anything on the other 3 then speak up. Raiden/Kenpachi/Gaara could all be said to use "magic" for the fourth one. The third could be reference to a particularly cold setting or animal tracks (pointing to Pandain).
One of the pictures is a red herring. I am inclined to believe it is the third or the last.
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On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote: Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O If you can make it relevant to another players character then do so otherwise it's not worth talking about.
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On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote: It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet useless information
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On February 02 2011 02:42 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings: #1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse #2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc. #3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.
Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong. Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.
radiohead never made a video about apocalypse now
there is a fan video of apocalypse now set to motion picture soundtrack which never had a music video. i realize the music thing fits but like I said, if you were to delve far enough into radiohead fandom (lyrics) you could make me fit anything. many of the hail to the thief lyrics reference war and bombs (sit down. stand up.)
but to go as far as to try to connect me from a fan music video for a song LSB may have never even heard is pretty ridiculous. the way how you talk about it like it is so obvious makes me almost sure you're mafia but i want to read some of the other posts in this thread before I say that.
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On February 02 2011 02:37 CubEdIn wrote: ...umm... so Lego + Drop the bomb sound like they are connected to MK, but Music (thom yorke) + Video of Apocalypse now with Raidohead soundtrack as one of the first results in google for apocaylpse now + House of Cards are not good references.
Not scummy at all there buddy.
lol you're right it isn't. scummy refers to post behavior.
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Don't applaud LSB.
A. I picked a character that can be tied to any clue. With hundreds of songs and a wide variety of musical themes (and bad fan music videos) any idiot could say "Well in the lyrics of Airbag it's implied there is a car crash! LSB posted a car! DrH is scum"
B. CubEdIn is either mafia or really bad. He never seemed THIS bad in previous games or this irrational so lets just lynch him. Chaoser is probably the other mafia but I'm not completely confident in that.
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On February 02 2011 03:45 CubEdIn wrote: Right. So you're dismissing one clue because it's a fan-made video, as if it it's not on the OST, it doesn't count. Fact: If you google Apocalypse Now Radiohead, you will see the video. Fact: There is a photo with a music sheet, your character is strongly connected to music. Fact: There is a song by Radiohead called House of Cards.
These are not... lyric related, this is not vague like saying "oh well, see, they had a concert in Denmark, which is where legos come from". No. This is quite directly related: First result in google / Music sheet / Song name
Oh, and nice touch asking to lynch because he is "bad", so then when I flip green you can say "oh he was bad that's why we lynched, not because he put the FoS on me and darmousseh.
And speaking of which, how exactly am I being bad? Are you saying that NONE OF THE THREE CLUES can be rationally related to you, and that I'm just making shit up to try and get out of a lynch?
No any clue can be rationally related to me. Literally any clue.
Go ahead, post some random pics and I'll go ahead and relate them to Radiohead for you. You're bad for thinking your clue analysis is strong and even worse for thinking a fan made video for a radiohead song (not a thom yorke song, nothing that would have EVER come up from the thom yorke wikipedia article) is what LSB just stumbled upon and referenced.
How obscure. The only person who would find that is a mafia looking for ways to incriminate me or a hardcore Radiohead fan.
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On February 02 2011 04:50 Node wrote:The apocalypse now connection is terrible. It's a horrible, unintuitive way to interpret the clue. One could likely find fan-made YouTube videos and google results that could fit any clue to any character. Look, I found a video of a t-Rex made out of legos, so clearly the clue applies to me! That doesn't clear doch, though. The Lego aliens could be linked to the Radiohead song "Subterranean Homesick Alien". I've got nothing on the footprints, though. There is a radiohead song prominently featuring the lyric "I'm not here, this isn't happening", but that's a big enough stretch that I'm willing to discount it. I would say that if the clues do reference Thom Yorke, the first one is the red herring. I think there's something we're missing in reference to another character, but I haven't found anything yet. It's likely a lot more simple than we're making it. I'm also not willing to play the "lynch one guy, and if he's not red, lynch the other guy" game. It's far too easy for town to just attack each other in the clue set-up using the clues instead of actual behavior as their justification. Trust me, just because someone understood a clue wrong it hardly means they are mafia. yes like i said any of the clues can reference me.
1. drop the bomb (sit down. stand up. is a popular radiohead song referring to nuclear warefare and bombs) 2. lego alien (subterannean homesick alien) 3. snow, animal tracks, winter (literally almost everything on the eraser is about global warming/animals disappearing) 4. magic/cards (house of cards) 5. music (musicians)
come up with 5 more random things and I'll relate them to Radiohead.
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On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo. chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt
classic and obvious
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your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched
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On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote:I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia. The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all. If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this: Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
I've never liked this notion of "bust out" or "out of nowhere"
I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
It doesn't make any sense. If I posted the entirety of my thought process up into thinking Jackal was the best lynch then I'd just be spamming the thread.
As far as being able to fall back on the bus, I can't do that without being a hypocrite. It's well known that I love bussing. In HP mafia I bussed LSB day 1. In a mini mafia game (i think ran by artanis) I seriously considered bussing my teammate even though i only had one.
If you can tell me how my posting behavior is anti-town or pro-scum please do, but I'm fairly certain you'd have a difficult time doing that. I just try to avoid the poor habits that TL towns have and the rest of you honestly should follow suit. When this game is over I'll talk more about that. I don't like the demanding climate of TL towns and being frustrated about it is part of why I kinda lost a lot of interest in mafia. I'm a player now that likes to post in bursts. I watch the thread quietly and I don't say anything until I have a lot to say.
I dumped Pandain for Jackal for a number of reasons: a. pandain is always the most suspicious townie for numerous reasons such as always lying about his role (pretending to be blue when he's green), being extremely wishy washy, etc. b. i never accused him of being mafia i simply said it was stupid to assume he can't be connected to the day 1 clues. c. jackal fit the clues better d. jackal's posting was scummier
I voted for him for the same reasons the rest of you did. This is a WIFOM argument. Stating that it's possible a mafia would vote for Jackal is fine and people should be well aware of that. I am not cleared because I helped get Jackal lynched even more so because I did so later. But it is not an accusation and it would appear absurd on a list of reasons why I would be suspected of being mafia.
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On February 02 2011 07:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote: Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere. That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts... another reason I think you're mafia
kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
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On February 02 2011 05:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched I didn't think what's his name, Carlos, was mafia. I thought the clues were too easy but everyone was so gung ho about it and I wasn't 100% sure myself so I didn't say anything. After he flipped red the only people i'm pretty sure aren't mafia are wiggles, shann and node now just cause they were so quick to jump on Jackal. You'll probably somehow tie me to the clues like you tried to do today. I mean, bridge? to a magic set? really? That's not even part of Catcher in the Rye... =p I still don't trust you cause this could all be some big mafia ploy which i wouldn't put past you. It's as good of a connection as the House of Cards radiohead song, if not better. More so because the exact quote I stated appears in the wikipedia article.
We can only assume FOR SURE that LSB has read the wikipedia articles linked in the OP post. Anything appearing in those articles or referenced therin is fair grounds for clue connection. Going outside of that is erring on the side of speculation. The bridge quote was within the Holden Caulfield wikipedia article. Whether or not it was in Catcher in the Rye is irrelevant. You linked to Holden Caulfield NOT Catcher In The Rye.
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On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo. chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt classic and obvious Yet, when I did that in the other games, I always turned out town. Go figure. Also, It's not chainsaw defense. I'm defending myself by saying that the way he is tying clues to Raiden is [way] more far-fetched then the ones pointing at DrH. And you can go defend yourself, you can say that they're not related, but if you try to turn it on me, then you better have some very good reasons to do so. Basically, you're turning it on me because I voted for you. That's all. You have no other reason other than "you're playing badly", and I'm playing badly, not because I stretched out on the clues analysis like your buddy, but because there's no possible way I'm town? Really? That's the reasoning? I don't mind it when people defend themselves, but when they do that by trying to turn it around on whoever FoSed them, it's a sign of scum. Sad part is, people probably won't consider you as a target even after I flip green, so you don't have much to fear anyway. I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. You really think that if I was scum, my partners wouldn't PMed me or something? Anyway, LSB could just like that song OR that movie and thought it was obscure enough to use it as a clue. The fact that it's right there in your face when you google for apocalypse now radiohead, is too much of a coincidence. I'm sorry, it just is. And couple that with the music sheet, house of cards, it points to you more than it points to ANYONE ELSE in this game. And trust me, I looked. And I'm saying that, if the only other option that town found was that they point to motherf*ing RAIDEN, GOD OF THUNDER \o/, then the town deserves to lose. ^_^ And yeah, I'm a radiohead fan, not a "hardcore" one, but I don't see what that has to do with the game.
If the game ends and it turns out you are green as well I'd like you to think long and hard about why your clue analysis was terrible.
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On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is. Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense.
I'll vote for you tomorrow.
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I'm not defending him I'm saying his post history is inconclusive. It doesn't incriminate him as mafia because that's the way he usually posts. I did just read it. It's Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
I wouldn't say "Pandain is mafia becuase he pretended to be a mad hatter" because he always does shit like that when he's town. If annul lied about his role then I would tell people.
Kenpachi is acting like Kenpachi. I hate having players like him in the game because he's so bad at the game it's really difficult to read him. That's why I don't want to lynch him. Nothing he said was scummy when you put it in the context of how he plays. He always posts like that as town and I don't remember participating in any games where he was mafia. Players like that usually act the same. That's why I said wait until there is a clue connection.
It sounds like you just want to avoid lynching CubEdIn who has both: poor/scummy post behavior (in the context of his previous games) clue connections
kenpachi has: bad posts
but he always does. I don't like to analyse coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town. I think it's a pretty simple concept to understand. Go look at all the games where Kenpachi got lynched day 1 for this reasons and how town vowed "never again we accept kenpachi plays in this bad and scummy style as town!" and then lynch him again. He's the obvious target but when you look at the "metagame" (a word I hate to use) it just isn't a strong case. Sorry.
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On February 02 2011 08:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. . ???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote: Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it. well he's just lying
something only mafia need to do
one reason you shoudl stop doing it allt he time
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On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
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On February 03 2011 03:14 chaoser wrote: Also, the snow -> elements -> God of Thunder is kind of a stretch...in my opinion...does no one else think that's a stretch?? Yes. I'd consider you as I think there are two fairly decent connections. Raiden can be tied to every clue, not just the snow one.
It could just as well be Shann. It's hard to say, the clues are difficult. I want to lynch you or CubEdIn. Your play is actually scummy.
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On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 03:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play. its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse. Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town. It's not condescending. It is possible he's just green and playing badly. Being wrong wouldn't make me scum. Seems to me like you're doing 2 things:
a. avoiding my point about kenpachi. I responded to you calling my "defense" ridiculous (when it isn't really a defense at all) b. setting it up (if you are mafia and cubedin is not) so that when cubedin flips green you can push me for a lynch.
If I'm on the chopping block it's because I played scummily not because I thought someone was mafia and was wrong about that. What a retarded way to look at it.
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On February 03 2011 03:43 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:On February 03 2011 03:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play. its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse. Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town. Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen. In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well. So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed. ##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
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##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
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On February 03 2011 05:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad. Lol so instead of sticking to the clues, you jump off the ship and vote for me. Typical mafia move. Why not see where the ship is going? You were so 100% sure Cubed was mafia before too. Panic much?
My vote for CubEdIn has nothing to do with clues. I also never said I was 100% sure. Why would I panic about lynching CubEdIn? I'm more confident about you.
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On February 03 2011 05:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is. Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense. I'll vote for you tomorrow. So you basically go back on your whole campaign of Cubedin being mafia and want to lynch me even though the clues connect to either you or him? Nice try lol. I connected them to you instead.
You criticize me for being "condescending" when you cover up real arguments with bullshit responses like this. Minds change. If I were to rank the three most likely mafia in order it would be:
you cubedin shann
That's how I currently feel and my vote will reflect that. Your posting behavior is much more worrying than CubEdIn so I'm voting for you. Like I've said many times post behavior >>>>> clues. I don't feel the clues are that strong on anyone. Actually they're probably strongest on Shann, Pandain had a good analysis.
But post behavior comes first.
You: 1. avoid direct arguments, ignoring posts where I explain what I'm thinking 2. create fake inconsistencies in my posts 3. repeat bullshit ideas like "either DrH or CubEdIn is red" which are devastating when used correctly by mafia 4. implying I had a "campaign" against CubEdIn. I went pretty soft on him. I didn't encourage others to vote for him and I was actually the last one to do so. I'm careful with bandwagons, don't give the impression that I'm playing recklessly.
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On February 03 2011 05:16 darmousseh wrote: My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
That's your call. I'm ready to start the thread analysis and I place more faith in that than these clues.
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On February 03 2011 06:17 chaoser wrote: It's not a dumb move...We get a lot of info from the lynch. The point of being town isn't to live, it's to help town win. You blame town for being stupid but you should blame yourself because you are inactive day one, you didn't even vote. If anything, you should be mod killed and issued a warning. Stop bitching if you're green and help the town. He is helping the town. If he is green and honestly believes I am mafia then there is no reason for him not to tunnel vision on me and try to get me lynched. That's actually the right thing to do. I lost confidence in him being mafia because he seemed less interested in making himself look innocent than he did in making me look like mafia. That's pro-town play.
I look forward to reading the made up inconsistencies in my posting. Not that changing your mind is not the same as an inconsitency. A lot of players get criticized or called scummy for changing their minds and opinions and TL towns have to stop doing that.
The other thing we have to stop doing is "assume that if A flips green whoever accused him of being mafia is red" 99/100 times they're both green.
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On February 03 2011 04:49 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:43 shannn wrote:On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:On February 03 2011 03:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play. its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse. Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town. Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen. In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well. So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed. ##Vote CubEdIn wtf these assumptions are terrible why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things. So by reading your reply it's smart to actually say that both of you are red? I don't know your role. Your discussion between Cubed and you might as well be a plot to make certain that one of you won't be suspected as mafia but there might as well be a scenario that that the clues point to someone else and you 2 are so concentrated on each other that people have missed the key theme of the clues of LSB hence 2 greens could also be possible. As for knowing your alignment with Kenpachi it's simple. You agree that Kenpachi is awful as town with chaoser but I as non experienced player do not know this and neither does chaoser seeing upon his comments. You cannot base someone's role on his past because people can just as well use this to camouflage his role in the future. You can use this knowledge as mafia (if you were) and just say he's stupid and always acts like this. Hence the reasoning of mine that Kenpachi is tied with your role. It doesn't mean it will be for certain but atleast for a high probability that what you think about Kenpachi is right if you are town. If you aren't town then everything you said/defended people means they're an ally of you. Besides I didn't vote on you but the reaction on your part makes me think I should reconsider. But for now I'll stick with Cubed. You said it yourself. He isn't showing any signs of mafia and if you were you'd act to it but we don't know what your role is hence we cannot go by your words. Do you understand my reasoning now?
Alright I wanted to respond to this earlier but I had class. I'd like it if everyone carefully read this and thought about this (what I'm going to say.)
1. Yes, it is reasonable that both CubEdIn and myself are red. It's unlikely though. This means I already bussed Jackal and am now bussing CubEdIn. I like using the bus but that's just too risky. I like to play really risky styles as mafia but that's too much. It's not an impossibility. I am not "innocent" if CubEdIn is red. It looks good for me but it is not proof. The only proof is death in this game.
2. Yes you cannot base someones role on their past. That's my point. I'm saying Kenpachi's posts are not "pro-town" or "pro-scum". I can not read them at all. They're inconclusive. Let's look at the most obvious example of bad play, NB.
In every game as town NB contributes nothing to the discussion. He just asks questions, says "oh im gonna read this and put my thoughts later ok" and things like this. This looks wishy washy, like he's making excuses for inactivity. He does this as town because he is bad, doesn't or can't analyse posts, etc.
In every game as mafia NB does the exact same thing. While it is very noticeable when Ace contributes bad/fake analysis, distracts town, acts wishy washy, jumps on easy bandwagons it isn't the same for Kenpachi. Kenpachi will do that as town and he will do it as mafia. My opinion on his posts is inconclusive. I don't want to lynch him because it's just a coinflip.
The other idea is that if Chaoser says "Player X is really scummy" and I say "No they aren't" then that is the same as a scum defense. That isn't a very strong connection to him. Town players defend other town players constantly and that sort of thing is only worth talking about after the fact.
If Chaoser defends others, I don't really care until he's dead and i know his role. If he's mafia THEN that becomes important.
But I really don't know what to say. I keep saying it but no one listens. There is little point in analysing kenpachi's post behavior right now because this is how he plays across the board early on in the game. Look at him in Salem Mafia Day 2 or Pokemafia. It's the same shit and he was town both times. Maybe some of the behaviors are "scummy" when applied to a large player group but they don't really apply to him. That's just the way it is. Until clues point at him, I wouldn't even consider lynching him. Because post analysis is LOST on players like Kenpachi and Coagulation and NB. We got Coag in Insane Mafia because he was DT checked. Then I was able to figure out Pandain was mafia too but town let him live for some reason.
Also this is not true that mafia only defend mafia. Honestly, it's most common that mafia IGNORE other mafia completely. Or even attack other mafia aggressively to stage disagreement. I see mafia attackin eachother or ignoring eachother more often than I see them defending.
Go read my Experimental Mini Mafia game to see that happen. Read Salem Mafia early game and see how mafia just avoid talking to each other altogether and never refer to eachother by name in posts. It is extremely rare that you see this kind of early comradarie. If Kenpachi was mafia and I was mafia it would be retarded for him to come forth with this worship of me calling me his favorite poster or whatever.
It would be smart if he was mafia/i'm town, since if he died the remaining mafia could push suspicion on me easily. Mafia are looking for opportunities to turn a bad lynch into a worse one or a good lynch into one that hurts the town. Mafia defend and attach themselves to townies to throw off direction in the case of a lynch. All that speculation you and chaoser are doing is pure pure WIFOM. It has nothing to do with goals, with contributions, or anything that matters.
Kenpachi is, unfortunately, exempt from that kind of analysis because he doesn't contribute anything even if he is town and just spams mindlessly. That's the player that Kenpachi is and ignoring that is gonna result in another easy green lynch for the mafia. That's just the way it is. Has anyone else played in a game where town lynched green Kenpachi because he posted the same sort of things? Am I the only one with any sort of memory? It seems to me like Chaosers memory is built around supporting his case which is scummy.
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We should shut up at night. See what happens Day 3, don't give the mafia opportunity to make a better decision.
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i would never say anything like that at night
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DoctorHelvetica's Plan
DoctorHelvetica: ADC Node: DE darmousseh: CE chaoser: D GMarshal: E Kenpachi: B Shann: C
Thought about this for a while and this is what I've come up with.
Will voting for "override town" give us a clue? Or will we be forced to continue on with no clues? This plan is really risky. It can be so easily corrupted and that will lead us to a bad lynch. That's LYLO unless the mafia miss another hit.
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DrH's Real Plan
Darmousseh and node are almost certainly town. I strongly believe Chaoser is mafia. I think his teammate is either GMarshal or Shann although it's more likely to be shann. Let me revise my plan.
DoctorHelvetica: ACD Node: ACB darmousseh: EDB chaoser: D Gmarshal: B Kenpachi: A Shann: C
This gives Gmarshal/Kenpachi/Shann/Chaoser who I am unsure of no power of corruption whatsoever.
I say we override this and just lynch Chaoser now though. If I'm wrong and darmousseh played me then we're really screwed.
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On February 04 2011 11:37 Kenpachi wrote: so wait, we all submit a bunch of letters and if there are more town entries per letter, the message isnt corrupt?
Also to DrH, if you were mafia, would that plan give us a townie? Not necessarily. There are two occurences of each letter I have amongst others. But if I were mafia obviously I would set it up so the message gets corrupted by giving a teammate either A, C, or D.
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Doesn't everyone have to send a message? If not then I propose
Myself: AB Node: CD Darmousseh: E
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On February 04 2011 12:18 Pandain wrote: Here: Dmosh: A Chaoser: BC Gmarshal: DE
Here we have one almost confirmed town, and two suspicious players.
Either we shall get a confirmed lynch, or we will have a guranteed lynch for the next two days.
Let's just play safe me thinks, kk? That's too dangerous. If any part of the message is corrupt then we get a townie result. So only 1 of those 3 have to be mafia for that to happen. So it doesn't give us guaranteed anything.
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Alright.
##Vote: darmousseh
If you played us witht he Pandain accusation you deserve an award. Really subtle mafia play if so.
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On February 04 2011 17:12 shannn wrote: Oh never mind. Its better to pick 2 most likely town members because then you'll get a mafia name right away but when you lynch that person and he isn't mafia then we get you or node as mafia right? Correct. Darmousseh wouldn't throw himself under the bus like that so the rational response is to lynch Node.
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We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.
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On February 05 2011 08:09 Node wrote:Sorry for being out lately, it's been hell week from hell at class. Here are my thoughts on darmousseh's plans: Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote: Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
Put simply, this isn't true. The absolute best-case scenario for mafia is that you are mafia. Under either of your plans, the message would be corrupt and a townie will be lynched. The next day would be LYLO. (4 town vs 2 mafia, 2 vs 2 the next day if we mislynch) The town seems to agree that I would be the first to be lynched, and of course I'm going to say right now that that would be the wrong choice. I'm willing to volunteer, as I do believe that darmousseh is town, and that there are far more pros than cons to this plan. It's just something to keep in mind in case this goes belly-up. I'm just worried that if we end up lynching a townie the plan will be followed to a T, and the game will be over then and there. Even in a game where puzzles produce seemingly clear answers, we still need to rely on analysis in the long run. Here's hoping the mafia die tonight. ##Vote: darmousseh Yes, I thought of this as well.
If darmousseh is mafia, this is a brilliant brilliant plan and in that case mafia probably deserve to win. But I'd volunteer myself for Darmousseh's spot if anyone is having similar worries. Although I know Chaoser and a few others probably are suspicious of me.
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On February 05 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote: I propose we go with the plan as already formatted, I mean if there's anyone I believe to be town its node and darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but I'm not sure that you are town. That's fine.
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Alright. Time to move forward then. Hopefully we can clinch this game unless darmousseh is a slick bastard.
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On February 05 2011 11:34 shannn wrote: Ok so that's pretty much obvious lolol and already suspected. Wonder who the acomplice is.
##Vote Chaoser It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though.
Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday.
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On February 05 2011 11:42 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 11:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 05 2011 11:34 shannn wrote: Ok so that's pretty much obvious lolol and already suspected. Wonder who the acomplice is.
##Vote Chaoser It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though. Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday. Funny thing. I have you and Kenpachi still on my list. I would lynch darmousseh too if chaoser comes out as town but he was already being a bit scummy so I don't expect him to be town at all.
well naturally you wouldn't suspect yourself. It'll be up to the day 3 clues to determine that :3
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On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic. smart stuff
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shut up no one counterclaim or do anything just lynch chaoser
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Don't counterclaim. I'm waiting on information that would confirm Chaoser. We could skip lynching him and just straight up lynch darmousseh instead. Depends on the information I get. Try to refrain from saying anything dumb/rash in the meantime. (meaning you kenpachi)
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On February 05 2011 12:21 Kenpachi wrote:where just dont its completely 100% unnecessary.
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On February 05 2011 12:21 chaoser wrote: Man, Dr H really thinks I'm mafia =X. Be in for a surprise when I flip. Seriously trying to help town here lol. I said I'm waiting on information that can confirm your story. I still think you're full of it but I trust the facts and if the facts fall the right way I want darmousseh dead and there will be good reason for that too.
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On February 05 2011 12:23 chaoser wrote: No no, lynch me. I don't know how you could 100% confirm I'm medic but it's a bad idea I tihnk, go ahead with the plan and go for either Node or Darmousseh If you don't know then don't say it's a bad idea just fucking wait.
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On February 05 2011 12:24 chaoser wrote: whatever -_-, dont gotta be an aggressive douche...no need to add in fucking... sorry
i'll explode your collar for criticizing me!
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On February 05 2011 12:30 shannn wrote: Surprising. No need to discuss anything. Everyone who voted for chaoser should know that the first one mentioned will be lynched.
If Chaoser flips green then we'll deal with it. There's no point in arguing for anyone about this day's lynch. The deadline can't come fast enough tbh.
There is a situation that would almost 100% clear Chaoser. If that turns out then we can avoid a probably innocent lynch. Have some faith.
I think he's lying to cause second thoughts but he could be sincere. We'll see.
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On February 05 2011 13:45 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic. Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet. The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia. Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
Defeatist attitude I guess. Kenpachi did the same thing in Salem Mafia and it was really dumb, he was killed right afterward.
This does give me the opportunity to see if he is telling the truth or not. He'll die in the night regardless if he's mafia but we can at least forgo wasting a lynch. Still waiting for my response though.
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On February 05 2011 13:50 Kenpachi wrote:oh now we decide to go my way ##Unvote Chaoser ##vote Kenpachiyo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit + Show Spoiler +no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible what
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On February 05 2011 13:53 Kenpachi wrote: ionno, i dont want to vote for either darmousseh or Node :l no shit i don't know anything yet that's why i don't want to vote for anyone
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On February 05 2011 14:49 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 13:45 darmousseh wrote:On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote: GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic. Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet. The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia. Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I. To be fair, medic is the one role in this game that is a) provable and b) especially worth thinking about saving. If chaoser is trying to save his ass, it's worth a shot. If DrH really thinks it's possible to confirm chaoser, I'll highly consider following along. I haven't thought of a scenario where this would be possible, though. Of course, the other scenario is that both DrH and chaoser are mafia, in which case, wowza. In the end, I think the safer option is to lynch chaoser. It'll suck if we lose a medic, but if he flips mafia it heavily implicates DrH. His play is incredibly ballsy for that to be the case, but it's a situation where it would definitely take balls to pull out alive. Hahaha i suck so much dick at being mafia i don't know why people think im good at it
every time im mafia i get lynched really early except for that one mini game which I one
Chaoser revealed way too much information. It's a pretty simple check if you think about it.
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and no it doesn't involve a medic claim
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Well, in any case, I believe Chaoser is the medic now.
If he was mafia he would have gone off of revealed post information and told a different story but he didn't which makes me inclined to believe he is telling the truth. I'm voting for Darmousseh and then I'd like to lynch Shann.
##Vote Darmousseh
Your post is stupid Shann because it assumes Chaoser is 100% mafia. If we lynch Chaoser and he is town, we're in the same shitty position that we are in if we lynch Darmousseh and he's town. There is really no difference between the two.
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On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.
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On February 06 2011 06:54 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless. I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic. That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan. You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!? Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.
lol
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On February 06 2011 07:49 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote:On February 06 2011 07:20 darmousseh wrote:On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd. That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving. Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green... We all agree that Node is town which is still a risk to do so. Going by this we should lynch darmousseh first if chaoser were to be town. Darmousseh would be stupid to come up with this plan because we all know that Node is the most guaranteed person to be town. So darmousseh that pm'ed drH should probably know this as well and drH as well which makes me very suspicious of drH for knowing everything which is the most worse possible thing as a townie to do. To pm someone who is still unsure of being town. We should just stick to the plan and go from there. Why change now. It's only smart from mafia to confuse townies. Kenpachi already switched and DrH himself as well only for the sole purpose of saving a medic who wouldn't be of any purpose in the night. If anyone can assure me that saving a medic will result in NO kills in night then sure I'll agree to save chaoser but that's only an option that mafia can decide to.
I switched because I don't think chaoser is mafia. I won't vote for someone who I think isn't mafia so I'm not voting for him.
I'm not going to convince you guys to go along with me, it's obvious chaoser is still going to get lynched but I won't vote for someone who I think is town based on principle. It's ridiculous to say I'm scum because I changed my mind. I voted for Chaoser yesterday, I tried to convince everyone he is scum, and based on new information and evidence I've changed my mind. Same reason I changed my mind about CubEdIn. First impressions are often wrong.
I think Darmousseh pointed out pandain (even went as far as to accuse him in PM to me) thinking they were gonna kill him that night which would clear him. Pandain survived but Chaoser didn't take the obvious bait. If he was a scum fake medic he would have lied and said "Oh, yes I protected Pandain". If there is a counterclaim the mafia could then motion to call out the other as a faker (not too hard to do if you're a skilled manipulator) or claim there are probably two medics.
Darmousseh accused Pandain at a very very late time, it was clear the intention was not to get a lynch bandwagon started. I think that trust was then used to manipulate the puzzle stage. When Chaoser turned up that is a perfect opportunity to abuse town because there was already a lot of distrust about him.
If Chaoser turns up red then that'll ease my mind quite a bit but it'll be very difficult to pinpoint his teammate. I'm not 100% sure (obviously) about Chaoser but I feel more confident that either darmousseh or shann is mafia than him. So I will not vote for Chaoser.
Here's what does strike me as odd about Chaoser and I just realized this a minute ago. If he is the medic why would he say "no one counterclaim?" It's pretty obvious there would be only 1 medic in a game like this as medics will never > mafia KP for balance issues. But he said "no counterclaims". However saying that as mafia doesn't really make sense either I guess. I just found that kinda strange.
I don't think Mafia will kill Chaoser in the night, even if he is the medic. I'll tell you this though. If I die tonight and Darmousseh/Shann flip red down the road, kill the other one please.
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On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote: If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd. no it's absolutely stupid to think that we are a scumteam even considering how much I love buses
i would never ever double bus especially if there is heat on me. i already helped get jackal dead on day 1 when it could have easily been gmarshal or shann. then i tried to get you killed on day 2? people still want me dead, that's too risky.
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On February 06 2011 07:12 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 06:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 06:54 shannn wrote:On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless. I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic. That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan. You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!? Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time. lol Lol, you are really a bad mafia DrH if you are mafia. Townies would never be this desperate to deviate from a plan. My guess is that you are going all-in with putting yourself on the line in order to save chaoser or node. Everyone, i've been going under the assumption that DrH was green for almost the entire game giving him pms and talking strategy in order to find the best method to determine the mafia, releaving my plans before I post in the thread sometimes, but in the end I think he just was bussing his entire team to set himself up as the last mafia in order to try to win. If he can convince you to never kill him or the mafia (node or chaoser) then he has won as mafia. Stay with the original plan and we win town If chaoser is red, i recommend lynching DrH next.
This is really bad. I'm not desperate to deviate from the plan. I'm just not voting for Chaoser. That's it. And why does Node have to be the mafia, you assume it can't be darmousseh? That's fucking stupid.
Chaoser is dying anyway, I'm not trying to save him. Let me say this over and over, I'm just voting for the person I suspect most. There is no "desperate attempt" to save chaoser because he's just gonna get lynched anyway. I won't on principle vote with the bandwagon if I think the bandwagon is wrong. When Chaoser flips blue we'll end this game by lynching you and Darmousseh.
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On February 06 2011 08:16 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.
What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous. i don't think shann has played this game before that's why he is saying dumb things like that
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On February 06 2011 11:06 GMarshal wrote: Damnit! I was sure he was scum, I guess we are lynching darmousseh then? Yep. Then we'll go ahead and lynch shann.
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On February 06 2011 11:22 darmousseh wrote: wow, alright so node is scum. lol
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Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?
I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long.
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On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote:I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh. Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it. And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post? Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer. DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.
darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd.
Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh.
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On February 06 2011 20:47 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 11:06 GMarshal wrote: Damnit! I was sure he was scum, I guess we are lynching darmousseh then? Yep. Then we'll go ahead and lynch shann. Sure go ahead. I'm already sure that you're mafia or just stupidly bad. You've accused Cubed/Chaoser and now me. Cubed thought you're mafia. Chaoser thought you're mafia. I was already saying you're mafia. Can't be coincidence right? Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?
I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long. And the clues on day 2 doesn't point towards you remotely? I agree that the clues points towards me but the clues fit you better. Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote:I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh. On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it. And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post? On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer. DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there. Node you are making it so that DrH is green for sure while he's been so suspicious. Just look above and see who he's accused so far. I'm willing to get lynched but then it's going to alarm that DrH is scum. Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote:I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh. On February 06 2011 11:56 darmousseh wrote: Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it. And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post? On January 30 2011 02:41 shannn wrote: Upon reading the rest of the comments I have to agree with Mr. Wiggles and Node. Especially Wiggles's explaination points towards Carlos the Jackal. Similar events and himself being a terrorist as well.
That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him.
But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written?
For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer. DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there. darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd. Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh. My posts are scummy? I'm saying what I think about the progress and plans of everyone. You on the other hand have been constantly pointing fingers not based on clues but based on your own experience which hasn't helped town at all. Sure you directed away from Chaoser at the last moment but that just seemed so suspicious for a mafia play. Every time you accuse someone of being mafia ends up dead and shows that they're town. I want you to show something based on clues on me since this is a clues game and not post behavior since it hasn't helped town at all so far and for you. It's going to be lylo day 4 so we have to guess correctly whom to lynch between darmousseh and node. I even volunteered to be a sacrifice to prove that I'm town but everyone wanted to go with darmousseh and node. It would've been better if it were Node and I because then since Node is the most likeliest town person than we would've hit mafia more likely and I'd have gotten rid of the suspicions on me. But you and darmousseh didn't want that to happen so I agreed on that. Very subtle play by you if you're mafia else just stupid as townie why we didn't go by that. We'd got rid of me if we hit town and we'd narrow down the possible suspects of mafia which my intentions were you/kenpachi/chaoser. Now that I know that Chaoser isn't scum then that leaves you and Kenpachi but seeing Kenpachi so far I'd be going more onto you than anything. lol
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On February 08 2011 11:12 darmousseh wrote: Node is playing amazing right now in order to convince you guys to vote for me. I have been playing pro-town the entire game, trying to find clues, analyzing (even if it was fail) and helping. Node has not had a single contribution the entire game. When we mentioned the plan, node said nothing. I even thought node was town when i put him in my plan.I should have put someone else in node's spot so that we got mafia right away, but DrH suggested node and I went along.
I'm not 100% convinced DrH is mafia. But he seems to be going back on his word suggesting altering the plan.
If DrH is mafia he is taking a huge risk, after we lynch node (whether now or next lynch) DrH immediately becomes suspect #1, so it would seem that is a retarded idea by him since it's such a huge risk. This makes me think that the real mafia is hiding among the remaining participants.
If you guys deviate from the plan and kill me tonight, then everyone will regret it. Deviation is exactly what the mafia wants and needs since I came up with a plan that would get 100% guaranteed information. If i was truly mafia I would never have pushed for such a great plan. Look at the first one i contributed. I didn't think it was possible to get guaranteed information so i found a plan with 60% success, but I found a way to get 100% success and now you guys are being tricked into thinking that I am mafia.
I will continue looking at the clues to see if i find anything.
actually it's the perfect plan if you are mafia considering you can almost force lylo by getting two townie lynches in a row killing chaoser and then node
it isn't 100% reliable at all
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wow really
##Unvote Node
##Vote Darmousseh
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yet you didn't ask me why I switched my vote to node in the first place lol
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post your solution of the day 2 puzzle and contribute something other than obvious observations please
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##Unvote Darmousseh
##Vote Shann
Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.
If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)
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lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia
that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this
"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"
what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.
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On February 08 2011 13:51 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote: I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.
And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.
Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3. It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?
We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.
Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.
I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia. Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out. So I promised clues and here they are. Suspect Qhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_FarpointQ threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes. Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test. Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar. Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens. Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode. Clue #3 Q's freezing ability Clue #4 Q's magical ability. Here are some clips from the show + Show Spoiler +Q threatens to destroy humanity. + Show Spoiler +Freezing lieutenant Yar. + Show Spoiler +The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene. The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous + Show Spoiler +But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child-race.
PICARD Most certainly I deny it. I agree that we still were when ... (indicating) ... humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago...
"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN) At which time you slaughtered millions in silly arguments about how to divide the resources of your little world. And four hundred years before that you were murdering each other in quarrels over tribal god-images. And since there have been no indications that humans will ever change ..... Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness. My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins ##Unvote ##Vote: Shannn don't call it brilliant you'll give him the impression he said anything that made sense this entire game which would be awful
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worst play of my life
wont be playing mafia for a while
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On February 09 2011 22:59 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: worst play of my life
wont be playing mafia for a while Arguably not. maybe i was worse in hp mafia
i didn't do poorly in salem overall i just gave the godfather all the blues in the game
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