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On February 19 2011 08:41 chaoser wrote: well, since i done blew ups /in And a beautiful boom it was. I kinda thought Coag would be the first to pull the trigger. | ||
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On February 23 2011 00:11 GMarshal wrote: it was posted yesterday I think, so it should start today My computer still says it's today but I'm posting tomorrow!!!!!!! | ||
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There are quite a few people in this game that I have never seen before so it's going to take me a bit to wrap my head around everything everybody has said so far. My thoughts on cells: Thoroughly undecided. If their only reason for being is analysis keep it in the thread. I'm at work right now so I might not be able to post as much as I'd like, but I'll be in here this evening. gryffindor why on earth would you claim vet? I did it in XXXVI to avoid being lynched but man that was pointless. You're making the hair on the back of my neck stand up. | ||
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But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. | ||
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On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote: What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town | ||
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On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote: While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. | ||
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On February 24 2011 02:14 chaoser wrote: Use of PM to ask questions directed at one specific person isn't "isolation" it's scumhunting. He isn't preventing you from posting both in PMs and on the thread. If anything, if you only reply in PM and not in thread, that's a bit suspicious to the person PMing you. Mass pming everyone to ask questions that aren't blue directed could either be townie trying to scum hunt or a mafia trying REALLLY hard to play infiltration role. Grfy's vet claim is a pretty good play if he's town i'd say.... 1) it gets reactions from people 2) mafia has to be on their toes, is he really vet or is he lying? Do we hit him or let him live? The only thing that worries me about it is the mass claim part to me. While most veteran players won't and will merely respond with a what?? you so crazy!!, some newbies with blue roles might actually do it and claim (even some vets are stupid enough to blind claim -_-) For that, I'm suspicious and that's why I'm asking pointed questions to him, specifically in thread. I could have done it in PMs too, which i think is what Gmarshal is doing, applying pressure. If he is a vet scum just have to do a role reversal on him and he's "hit" His claim makes no sense in this set up. | ||
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On February 24 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No, it's still good, because it show us that when he's motivated he will take the time to go through the thread and analyze. That was how he was able to pick on LSB as someone he could make a fake analysis on. So this begs the question of why he hasn't been doing anything in this game. Is he trying to hide? Why? Or does he just not care, because that's not very good for town. Because Decon missed the best post of all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7462000 | ||
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On February 24 2011 10:54 GMarshal wrote: Sure 1.) This is a set up that is going to emphasize using PMs to root out mafia 2.) due to the set up and conditions any plan like the salem blue circle is going to be doomed 3.) The best way I see to address this is to make small town circles and use them to gather information 4.) there should be no claiming save rare circumstances,not even in PM and not even to "confirmed" townies 5.) We need to make sure lurkers post as they often cost us the game, hence PM circles can pressure them into posting, also directing votes at them can push them into activity 6.) Gryffindor is most likely just a townie that is playing an awful game of mafia, the fact that he suggests a plan exactly like the one that cost us the game in salem is cause for alarm 7.) annul is most likely not scum either, just another stupid townie, if he were mafia someone would tell him to cut the shit out 8.) DTs are almost worthless 9.) Jackal may be mafia he is not playing his usual agressive, tunneling game, and is almost as subdued as in MiniMafia V 10.) you still failed to address my questions I don't tunnel. Ok I do tunnel. But I don't do it until I see somebody I really think is scum. At that point I don't let go. Right now I have vague feelings of unease towards just about everybody. And I'm not aggressive. I'm persistent. | ||
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On February 24 2011 11:09 OriginalName wrote: We can get plenty of data Day 1 Jackal posted our entire scum team in MMVII right before the Night post which ended the game. No lynch D1 by the way. Votes are a huuuuuge scum tell when analyzed in the right way. That's one of the things that gave you guys away. So far there isn't much of anything that makes me want to point the FoS in any particular direction. But rest assured there will be. | ||
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then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis? Drink beer and play pinochle. Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list. So are the following: Annul GMarshall Gryfindor | ||
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On February 24 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote: Wonderful, as long as somone is paying attention town should win Just one thing though, isn't ironic that you are inactive until about 3 minutes after we call you out on being inactive? To me at least that seems somewhat suspicious. I haven't been inactive. And yes I'm paying attention. That only guarantees that I'm paying attention. Smart ass. | ||
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On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote: Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night? I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much. My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58 This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. | ||
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I think he's nuts ##VOTE: gryffindor | ||
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On February 24 2011 21:14 Barundar wrote: I might have come off wrongly, but I read your post as a response to mine. You post on alot of the same issues, yet very lightly touched on my case, and presented your own case. I might be worried too much about a diversion, in that case I apologise for jumping the gun. It's true that Jackal hasn't posted much, and that his first post is by far the substantive part of my argument. But that is beceause that was where he messed up. Mafia aren't going to be suspecious all the way, mafia can contribute or share when they feel it furthers their cause. But his first post set off all the alarms, it contains multiple apologies for not only time, also for "new players" in the game, and it promises more, that wasn't delivered. I think this is a way better case than random voting inactives, or the most active posters so far, that has gotten into a fight. But I'm not stopping you from doing your own scumhunting. Go ahead and push for me. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts. Your sole basis for my lynch is because my first post was more than a one liner and didn't include an FoS????? I haven't tunneled anybody so I'm scum??? Well you want some tunneling here you go. Scum don't like me. Over the course of the last 2 games I've nailed 5 scum in a row. My ability to persuade others is my downfall not my ability to shoot scum in a barrel. Why does Barundar and company want me to go? Because I scare them. They are terrified that if I call them out others may start to listen to me. So how do we keep this from happening they say? How do we prevent him from posting the entire scum team during the first night? We discredit him and lynch his ass on day one. That's how we avoid it they say. I can't wait to read your scum log after this game Barundar. I'll be flattered I received so much attention at the start. Barundar is scum. Gryffindor is a liar. And most certainly scum. GMarshall is most likely scum Deconduo a good probability Icemac a possibility. I'll be able to add or eliminate people from this as the day goes on but the first two on it are scum. | ||
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On February 24 2011 22:34 Barundar wrote: Yeah I'm terrified of you. If you really do flip green, how do you think that would make me look? I asked you to defend yourself, if you are town, and your response is a nice OMGUS? What about answering my analysis of your first post? It's not about tunneling, it's about your apologetic tone and lack of contribution. Yes I will push for you if I think you are scum, but you can convince me otherwise if you actually are town. My tone was more explanatory than apologetic. Next time I'll forgo the niceties. Seriously I'm scum because I said "sorry" My post is exactly what it is. Sorry I was bowling. Sorry I don't know a lot of these people so Imma gonna hold off for a bit til I get used to them. Sorry but I'm undecided on the PM circles. That makes me scum????? Bullpuckey. On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote: Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote: So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. | ||
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On February 24 2011 22:48 gryffindor wrote: Is there a reason you're voting me? Also, if I'm "most certain"ly scum, and you're the "most certain" about me, how come I'm 2nd on your list? Seems like a contradiction. I don't really care that you're voting for me, because I like that you're taking a definitive stance, as opposed to mulling over something halfheartedly - I was against the cells at first, too, when they I was concerned that they would encourage claiming The thing is, people will claim over time eventually anyways. It doesn't even matter how we go about this. People are either going to PM, or they're not. Noone can make you participate in your cell, but considering your latest posts, perhaps you should take the initiative and PM coagulation. I doubt you will, but it would be a good move for you being pro-town. The other member of the cell that I list randomized you into would be astroorion. I seriously considered your cell to be the weakest until you posted, and I am quite pleased that you seem competant, relatively speaking. I'm sad you suspect me, but whatever. I'll grow on ya. If Coagulation doesn't step up to the plate in your cell, you need to, because astroorion isn't going to (check the top of this page) Because I think your are borderline insane and a confirmed liar. I don't know why there are votes on anybody else at this juncture. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote: the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. On February 24 2011 16:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I said no such thing. Do not claim that a host said something he didn't. Seriously this isn't tolerated behavior. Unless you show me a PM from either Meapak or myself saying this you are getting a warning. PM me. | ||
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I'd like to know why I am the only one concerned about gryffindor and his lie. | ||
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On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote: Gryffindor: I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. Let's find out. I don't want to operate under a misconception any more than anybody else does. RoL was already quite clear on the issue. [green]Meapak - Did you have any discussion with Gryffindor that would allow him to make his claim regarding info from the host?[/green] | ||
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On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote: Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. Pardon me for apologizing for being late to the party. Well you apparently wanted me to tunnel somebody and you were convenient. Gryffindor is a confirmed liar. Lynch him. His credibility is destroyed. Even if he is town he is a liability to town. | ||
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On February 25 2011 03:54 chaoser wrote: let's let him explain first When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did? | ||
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On February 25 2011 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The discussion of gryffindor ends here. It will be handled through PM's. Do not talk about it anymore. We can't lynch him????? | ||
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On February 25 2011 04:33 gryffindor wrote: OK, listen up guys, this is pitiful the amount of people voting, and the size of the wagons. We only have 5 people(soon to be six on one) on the major wagons, how are we going to properly analyze voting with all of these split votes and cases? We need to consolidate to see who swings late, and start building associative tells based around the flips. I know we will be able to do that through scumhunting, and I have been trying to do that as well, but wagon analysis is key to catching scum associatively. Annul - 6 Gofarman deconduo Ser Aspi LSB astroorion Gryffindor Icemac - 5 why kevonism seraph ICanFlyLow OriginalName People who need to pick one of the above, because their votes are on people with 2 or less: coagulation Jackal58 Barundar Darmousseh chaoser Jbright annul If your name isn't here, I either missed you or you're not voting. I'm sorry, or you're sorry! We've got 7-8 hours, from my recollection. Let's do something about it. People on 1-2 person wagons need to get on either Icemac or Annul. Vote: Annul Reasoning: Bandwagonning, and LSB believing he is scum. I also like the wagon more, excluding astroorion who I feel will probably come off of it due to being Annul's scumbuddy. Sorry dude. My votes staying on you. If you want you can ask CubeD what I'm like when I decide somebody deserves my vote. | ||
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On February 25 2011 09:19 Barundar wrote: Yeah I'm looking at it. I fully expected to be linked to an increminating post of his, but instead I got linked to your post, where his reasons are actually listed and you disagreeing with him. A storytime? Thats your example of proof? I see a weak case, and absolutely no opposition to lynching annul, despite him being far ahead, and noone really taking responsability for pushing it. Weak case and no opposition=townie from my experience. There is not even a serius alternative at this point. Of course there is an alternative. Grffandor. He lied. His first post was "I'm Veteran claim to me" He's nuts and a liar. Either way he flips it's a plus for town. | ||
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On February 25 2011 10:12 Foolishness wrote: Taking vote off of annul; purposed served. ##unvote annul ##vote seraph And what purpose was that Mr. "I'll show up when I want and if you call me on it I'll get you lynched"? | ||
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On February 25 2011 10:37 LunarDestiny wrote: OK. Comment on theses (using more than one line please) -People are saying you are very aggressive. -Also LSB's points of you: Annul and LSB revel in getting each other lynched.I wouldn't put much stock in anything either of them say about each other. | ||
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Gofarman - 8 posts astroorion - 3 posts JBright - 4 posts ICanFlyLow - 2 posts ohN - 3 posts why - 6 posts CubEdIn - 6 posts LastArgument - 7 posts Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. Cubed I know you can do better than that. | ||
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On February 26 2011 04:59 CubEdIn wrote: I snowboard. Well that's ok then. Have fun man. | ||
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On February 26 2011 06:31 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, how about you add "voted to kill scum" to the case on me... He covered that: On February 26 2011 00:06 deconduo wrote: -Tells everyone that they have to vote for icemac or annul. If everyone who left the annul BW changed to icemac he wouldn't have been lynched at all. But gryff conveniently leaves his vote on annul so he can claim 'look I lynched the scum' if the play doesn't work. (which it didn't) | ||
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On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote: you can still be a winner wiggles we can still win this for town Town will win this. I hate losing. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The following need to step up their game: Gofarman - 8 posts astroorion - 3 posts JBright - 4 posts ICanFlyLow - 2 posts ohN - 3 posts why - 6 posts CubEdIn - 6 posts LastArgument - 7 posts Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. Cubed I know you can do better than that. | ||
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On February 26 2011 12:46 chaoser wrote: LISTEN TO GM'S PART ABOUT CLAIMING! DONT CLAIM!! I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover. 100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered. Unless of course you're gryffinder. Then by all means claim some thing else. ##VOTE: Gryffindor | ||
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Fair analysis. I just want to ask about the lynches. Haven't played with TL before How significant are Darmousseh, Kitaman27, Mr. Wiggles as players? Are the known for being good players, etc. ? Also, is there any of their caliber that "should be dead" but isn't? I'm okay with ##Vote Barundar for now. Mr Wiggles excels at analytical thought. He rapes clues. Darmousseh is a much better townie than a scum. I wasn't shocked that either of them were hit. Kitaman27 took me aback a bit. But I haven't played a lot with him. I would have expected LSB, Barundar or GMarshall to get hit. All are 3 excellent players on both sides of the game. It's so cute when scumbuddies stage a fight. | ||
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On February 27 2011 12:17 GMarshal wrote: Also while I'm bored (read, should be doing work) I'm going to go ahead and post my thoughts on all the accusations and FoS that have been thrown around since the day began almost 24 hours ago. So the first real development is Coag posting a vote against cube, which is an ok move as we need to pressure the more inactive players, jackal does the same a little bit later, because it bears repeating here is Jackal's handy list of players with few posts + Show Spoiler + he following need to step up their game: Gofarman - 8 posts astroorion - 3 posts JBright - 4 posts ICanFlyLow - 2 posts ohN - 3 posts why - 6 posts CubEdIn - 6 posts LastArgument - 7 posts Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. note that IcanFlyLow was replaced then I post with a little bit of thought as to what the kills mean for us, and repeate my NO CLAIM message, which chaoser and LSB repeat in the following posts, still at this point nothing exciting has happened and then we get the first real interesting post Jackal after saying not to claim goes ahead and points a FoS at gryffindor, he dosen't provide any backing for me to comment on, so I hope he takes the time to make a post with some actual analysis other than "he claimed vet" which is actually a scummy move, but not enough on its own to make a judgment one way or the other. Grryfindor then does an OMGUS vote against jackal using as his defense "I voted for annul" which is at best a flimsy defense, but then again the attack was flimsy too. My only concern is that gryffindor dosn't point this out an demand an explanation (the rational choice to defend himself) but rather resorts to an OMGUS, which is a poor defense most times. Coag then points out that gryffindor is emphasizing the fact that he voted for scum way too much and that that may be a scum tell, I am inclined to agree with coagulation on that one, in fact I would really like it if jackal fleshed out his attack against gryffindor to see what kind of defense gryffindor might try to put up. Gryffindor then goes ahead and defends himself, since I want to really analyze his defense I'm going to quote his post and go point by point + Show Spoiler + I'm going to have to start linking my games here as meta... I haven't ever bussed someone on teamliquid; it isn't how mafia is played here. If you expect people to be bussing, you are playing very poorly as town. WI'm going to have to start linking my games here as meta... I haven't ever bussed someone on teamliquid; it isn't how mafia is played here. If you expect people to be bussing, you are playing very poorly as town. Would I really go out of my way to push the lynch of my mafia buddy? Would said mafia buddy THEN counterpush me? Who have I had interactions with that would look like my scumbuddies? ok so here you say bussing is not how mafia is played here, which is blatantly wrong, in minimafia V, node jackal and I were on the same scum team and we bussed jackal day 1, with Node leading the analysis against him. There are other examples like the game (I don't rember the #) where LSB ran for mayor with a scummy plan and Dr.H decided to bus him, LSB survived that day by persuading RoL that he was town in PM's, but still bussing is a technique that is used on TL so that use of meta is downright wrong. Also everything besides that last question is WIFOM , as if you thought it was likely annul was going to be lynched with LSB pushing him it would be a great idea for you to get on the wagon early. As to who would you have had interactions with? annul actualy seemed to agree with most of what you said, and from a town perspective our argument about the plan may have been a good way to confirm us as town if we are both mafia. Icemac also seemed to be on your side aggressively pushing against my plan without any sold reason IF I am lynched, this is a very laughable town oh ok, you clearly prove your townness with that Annul had associative tells with both GMarshal and Icemac, both of whom we should pursue lynches on, but you all are so hurt that someone is a better player than you, you can't get over the fact that OMGUS/bussing is just senselessly being thrown at me when both aren't relevant to this particular scenario. The OMGUS relatedness isn't relevant because some OMGUS is very-town, especially when the goal of it is to point out that I'm part of the reason why Annul got lynched. ok, if you were really town your OMGUS would have looked something like "wtf voting against me with no reason jackal?" also what associative tells did i have with annul? that he pushed to lynch chaoser after FoSing me? and what I have no idea what associative tell you want to use to associate Icemac and me, still I appreciate the effort to at least do some scumhunting. and how are the terms OMGUS and bussing not relevant, they clearly are. Apart from GMarshal or IceMac, Seraph would also be a good lynch from my perspective, due to the recent post he made sounding like goading/fake-sincerity regarding the medic/cop snipe, and considering his excuse for lurking in the same post... well, it just reads forced and overly defensive. ok, I like that you are at least thinking, Seraph however I have a town read on, due to the fact that he has been at least moderately active in PM land, still I wouldn't mind getting more from him GMarshal looks like Annul's buddy to me, because Annul gave him a casual FoS in a post that he failed to try make look real, followed by voting someone else. It was way past where the RVS should end, and it was a lackluster post saying "Well, i'd lynch gmarshal or ___". He listed GMarshal first, talked about him like he was suspicious, then failed to vote him, voting someone else. ok, a decent point, wrong unfortunately, but a decent point, this at least seems like active scumhunting so kudos for that, but I think you are reading far too much into annul's aggressiveness, as IIRC he later voted for me (I dont really remember though) Now, I see I have a few votes on me now, so unvote I'm not convinced, you uncomfortable in the heat gryffindor? If you're unfamiliar with me, go read Orgah mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653 I am a Serial Killer in this game, and obviously scum. I say obviously, because my play there as scum is contrasted with how I am playing in this game. In that game, I was generally unhelpful, lurking, and inactive. This game, I am very active, and dedicated to the town teching up alow me to point out that changing your style is not that hard, compare my current active planning to my rather more crappy posting style in XXXVI. usually quoting other games and saying "see im nothing like this" is a scum tell, as changing ones style is not that great of a challenge thanks guys, love you all next decon posts he calls out gryffindor on a couple of the things I mentioned + on lying, which is a good call also in reply to "GMarshal, I feel you gotta step up. It looks like you tried to save annul near the end." I have no real defense, I did try to save annul as I thought he was town and it was LSB going for a grudge lynch, but let me say that being wrong about someone does not make me scum. chaoser then says he likes ohN's posts although there are only 3, which is dissapointing, still a contribution by chaoser, not much to say on it barundar then casts a FoS on LSB, I think LSB is playing pro-town and knowing LSB if he is scum he will continue to be active and slip up eventually, so I wouldn't wast a vote on him yet, although keep your eyes on him and watch out for scummy plans. LSB then does a pretty in depth analysis of barundar, however I think LSB is wrong, although he says its not OMGUS, I get the feeling that it really is, barundar defending annul does not make him scum, and bar was convinced jackal was scum before the wagon started (we discussed it in PM) he just did not want to leave an analysis early to be buried in the discussion between Gryffindor and I, while he was away. So I think LSB's point 1 is just outright wrong. Point 2 is interesting but I would not read too much into contradictions although I feel they aren't as contradictory as LSB thinks they are. Barundar promises a case against LSB, which I am anxious to see and analyze. More back and forth between LSB ensues, I'm going to wait on Barundar's analysis of LSB before really discussing it why then agrees with LSB to pressure Barundar which is ok, and then does something really good, he calls an inactive out, specifically he pegs Beneather, gj why although I still want to see you post more as you still feel lurkerish to me LSB then makes his list post, which I fully endorse, its a great idea and I give LSB +1 karma point for it, makes him seem like town in my eyes, some debate back and forth about it but we all agree it seems like a good idea, chaoser points out possible scummyness with LSB taking a leadership position, and questioning leaders is important for outing scum so chaoser seems more townie in my eyes for it just my general responses to things, feel free to question me/debate anything I say in here, as the point of this is to get some discussion going C'mon man. You've been reading every page of this game. 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However I will be after today's lynch. As I've said before this is a numbers game. I am playing them now. Town still has a large numerical advantage. If LSB flips green you are surely scum and will be dealt with tomorrow. UNVOTE: Gryffindor VOTE: LSB | ||
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On February 27 2011 23:04 JBright wrote: A lot of interesting arguments are being thrown around, but none of them are particularly compelling enough to throw any one person to the top. For now, I'll go with the possible scum slip and vote for icemac. ##vote: icemac Then compel us. | ||
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[QUOTE]Why have the two of you completely discounted the possibility of both of them being town?[/QUOTE] I haven't. But pressure works better than praise. I'm still favoring gryffindor. | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:36 LSB wrote: I don't like this "I think both of them are town" argument. Barundar is red. Lynch him. I'm wondering if team scum is ballsy enough to bus two members two days in a row in order to create the illusion that one of you is so freaking town that he can become almost immune to scrutiny. | ||
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On February 28 2011 03:20 kevconsim wrote: I suggest we do this or lynch Icemac. We can move forward by 1) lynching Barundar 2) lynching LSB 3) lynching Icemac Those are the only viable ways of moving forward i can see. I suggest we lynch Barundar today and if he turns out to be town we lynch LSB If you think they are both town then we should lynch Icemac Anyways ##VOTE Barundar We could also move forward by lynching the players on life support. | ||
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On February 28 2011 03:33 kevconsim wrote: life support? Barely posting. You know. Like 10 posts in 49 pages. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:46 CubEdIn wrote: Hi again peoples. Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! Here's my problem Cubed. Everybody expects me to tunnel. They call me aggressive. I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't I understand what you wanted to link in XXXVI. My persistent vote on you. The difference between then and now is then I was positive you were on the red team. Now I have no one individual I can point at and say "you are scum" Not yet anyways. Barundar believes me to be scum due to my not tunneling. If you read the games I've been in til late game that "tunneling" hasn't started until about day 3 or so. We are still in day two. We have a pissing contest between two people that fervently believe the other is scum. I am vacillating between believing that either they both are or neither are. I honestly don't know yet. What I do know is I am surly incapable of pushing for a lynch on gryffindor. deconduo is the only other person here that I can see that would keep their vote on him til the end of day. I do know that I am going to change my vote back. I have seen enough from both of them to believe it to be at best a 50/50 shot of hanging another red. I don't like 50/50. ##UNVOTE: LSB ##VOTE: gryffindor I'd rather lynch a 100% confirmed liar. | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:10 LSB wrote: Well, I think we should pick two people to set as who to lynch. We shouldn't split our votes between four people, that makes it easier for Mafia to hide behind a wall of votes. I'm willing to lynch icemac/barundar We are aware of your willingness. What is your unwillingness to lynch gryffindor? | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:36 kevconsim wrote: Jackal you haven't answered my question yet For realz???? From Wiki The term "Madison Avenue" is often used metonymically for advertising, and Madison Avenue became identified with the advertising industry after the explosive growth in this area in the 1920s. | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:43 LSB wrote: He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. If he always plays like this it's the other players fault for tolerating it. Lynch him. | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:59 bumatlarge wrote: What did gryff lie about? I know he's an erratic player, but depending on the lie, that's a cause for concern I'd say. Mod PM's he didn't receive. | ||
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On February 28 2011 07:04 bumatlarge wrote: Page or link? Was it something RoL or meapak clarified because those are pretty damning. I should know -_- Pages 32-35. | ||
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On February 28 2011 07:24 GMarshal wrote: ok, so can we agree to lynch neither LSB nor Barundar? I feel both of them are town and losing either of them would hurt town, I would much rather we hung an inactive or lurking player, as we really should not risk killing two players who are playing pro -town at the moment, if either is scum we can rely on the other to pick up on it as they suspect each other heavily, if both of them are scum then they are clearly on drugs of some sort. I'm trying. The only influence I have is when I fart in a small room and people leave. | ||
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Fair enough. ##unvote ##vote Icemac He's been doing post and ghost similar to divinek in XXXVI. And after a day of LSB and Barundar declaring No You! No You! I will take a dim view of people telling me I tunnel. | ||
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On February 28 2011 09:06 GMarshal wrote: go and look for the game where Ace and L yell at each other for a few pages, they defined tunneling that game (anyone remember which one it was?) I'm guessing they'll continue it tonight or tomorrow. And no I'm not aware of what game it was. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:45 Foolishness wrote: LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything: Up until an hour ago neither had you. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:55 Kenpachi wrote: It's the foolishness way. Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting killed by scum and spring and attack when you least expect it I believe it's my first game with him. How does he play when he's scum? Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting lynched? Honest question. This looks like a diversion off of icemak. Except everybody is jumping on board. I'm confused. I don't like being confused. | ||
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##VOTE: Foolishness. Dammit this day sucked. | ||
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On February 28 2011 12:01 Foolishness wrote: I'm voting for who I think is mafia, blame the followers. I learned a key thing from reading the thread before my accusation: nobody really wants to kill LSB, Barundar, or icemac. Want proof? I make an analysis on LD and everyone jumps ship. My analysis is not complete, but there are important points worth addressing. I think most people here will agree that LD is a better lynch than any of the above 3. That's what I sent out to fix. I didn't want to see the town killing a player out of policy or killing a player they were only half sure about. I thought I had more evidence against LD so I went with him instead of Seraph. Even if he's not mafia at least we got rid of a mostly inactive player who's usually active. Step in the positive direction. I'm also fine killing Jbright, right now I'm going to leave on LD so there's no last minute swing possible (hopefully, haven't checked the votes). Nice safe post that one is. Right after the vote is closed. | ||
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First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem: [QUOTE]On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote: Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.[/QUOTE] I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped. And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM. Have fun. We got scum here folks. | ||
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On March 01 2011 11:57 LSB wrote: I was role blocked last night. Really? Which Vig shot? | ||
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On March 01 2011 12:01 GMarshal wrote: This is interesting, it hints at mafia having 3 kp or else they cannot afford to rb anyone. Also do any vigi's claim to have shot last night? because if you did then we know that mafia spent a whole KP doing something else, if no-one claims the vigi hit then we have to work on the assumption that there wasn't one. Also gryff you seemed pretty convinced you were going to die... Either LSB is lying or a Vigi hit somebody. Vig claim soon. Cause I was roleblocked too. | ||
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On March 01 2011 12:07 GMarshal wrote: O.O then I believe CubEdIn was a vigi and shot last night as he told me in PM that he was particularly suspicious of ON, its possible it was someone else or that one of you is lying If we have no vigi hit one of us is most definitely lying. And the one lying ain't me. | ||
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On March 01 2011 12:10 chaoser wrote: either a vigi shot and mafia only used 1.5 KP for 2 kills and used 2KP for powers or vigi didn't shoot and mafia used 2.5 KP for 3 kills and 0.5KP for Roleblock on LSB (if he really did get roleblocked) You missed an rb. | ||
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On March 01 2011 12:15 chaoser wrote: ... Then either someone is lying or there were 7 mafia 4 KP->3.5 KP->1 KP for 2 roleblocks and 2.5 KP for 3 kills unless vigi But that means they started with 4 KP...is that a normal KP to have? We would have lost 4 townies on night 1. OP alludes to the possibility of multiple godfathers in play. We need a vigi claim now. | ||
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On March 01 2011 12:20 chaoser wrote: even with multiple GF, lets say there were 2 GF, that would mean probs 3 regular for 3.5KP to start. Annul died, still 3 KP, only enough for 1 RB. I know. I'm going to take Gmarshalls advice atm. | ||
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On March 01 2011 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote: This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok? Respond to what? A pointless argument that I decided was a difference in opinion? Respond to a question I already answered? And then said fuck it when decon didn't like my answer? I felt at the time it wasn't worth having a pissing contest over. You just had an argument with gryff over alleged PM content. That's why I think it's a bad idea. But I said that already. Only scum would attempt to continue making an issue out of a non-issue. ##VOTE: Lunar Destiny | ||
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On March 01 2011 19:47 LunarDestiny wrote: First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it. Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad. To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question. Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And | ||
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On March 01 2011 23:52 JBright wrote: Well, that was something I wrote right before I went to sleep, so I wasn't going to answer any more until later. Going back to SA's axis of evil, I already gave my (non)opinion on LD, but what about Seraph? Since I haven't been too active myself, I can hardly point my fingers at another low activity player. He seems to come on in spurts during each day/night cycle and didn't have very much to say except for his latest post. I didn't think too much of it, but I suppose the part about the icemac analysis seems strange. There was only ~20 min before the end of voting, so who was he really trying to convince? Won't be reading this until at least 9pm Eastern, so I'll place my vote now. Since I've already thrown around some FoS, might as well vote for one of them. I believe that townies tend to play more aggressive in terms of scum hunting, so I'll keep my vote off GM and SA for now. If LD does post before voting ends, I could be persuaded to vote for him. I'll just go with gryffindor since he's the third of my gut picks. ##Vote: Gryffindor Of course we do. You don't have to hunt for your scum buddies. You get a list from the host. | ||
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On March 02 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote: Yep, so I think its safe to assume that the vigi isn't going to claim (meaning there was no vigi shot), which presents us with an issue, either scum have 3.5+ kp or someone is lying... Was anybody role blocked during night 1? If somebody claimed it I missed it. | ||
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Didn't have to be rb. Dammit GM you're scaring me. Wtf is this "Super Mafia"? | ||
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On March 02 2011 06:52 GMarshal wrote: not that I am aware of, but they can still use kp to frame and cover, so that dosn't mean much, since I can't see what benefit you guys would derive from lying about being role blocked then I will assume you are telling the truth. My paranoid side thought LSB was setting me up for something. But nothing has come up in that area. It's been 20 hours since day post. If a vig shot he should have claimed by now. If scum was trying to set me up I think we would have seen the beginnings of that by now. So I'm going to go with the assumption that scum has 3.5 - 4 kp. That would almost certainly require multiple godfathers. Or a boat load of scum. Neither scenario is all that appealing. The only reason I can think of for either of us to lie would be to force town to lynch both of us to trade 1 townie for 1 scum. With the kp at scums disposal I can't even fathom why they would feel compelled to do that atm. Even if a vigi shot and has not claimed, scum would have at least 3 kp at their disposal. Of course the flip side of all this is either LSB or I or both of us is lying to appear to be town. Again with the kp mafia appears to be holding why bother? Analyze that Barundar!!! I'm going bowling. Sorry (apology, lynch him!!!!) I won't be back until tomorrow. If I post again tonight it probably won't be coherent. | ||
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Don't even ask me to explain, analyze, prove. It is what it is. UNVOTE: LD VOTE: kevconsim | ||
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On March 02 2011 12:07 LSB wrote: Are you in contact with a DT or is this based off of analysis? It's based off of 50 some years of people trying to blow smoke up my ass. He's scum. | ||
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On March 02 2011 12:13 LSB wrote: Interesting uhh explanation... How about we just kill Barundar? Because I'm not convinced Barunder is scum. kevinconscum is. | ||
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On March 02 2011 16:15 gryffindor wrote: LSB/Jackal, care to give a reason not to fullclaim, as you've already outted yourself as power roles, and mafia will be able to use role reversals on you (therefore, it might be best to submit no actions during the night, informing the moderator you don't want to use actions if you are a role that it will directly affect. The only roles you can be are Cop/DT/MH/Vig/Doctor, all of which will probably be role reversed, unless you are mafia. Time to claim, folks, since you stupidly outted yourselves. I'll bet you searched your parent's bedroom for your Christmas presents too. | ||
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On March 03 2011 01:23 gryffindor wrote: Thank you, deconduo I agree with the above 1.2.3.4., and I would like to add the fact that Barundar picked up on him claiming both to be roleblocked, and to be a townie. That seems like a townie wouldn't be informed of that! You are informed of being role blocked whether you have a role or not. | ||
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On March 03 2011 03:11 gryffindor wrote: How would you know that? It makes no sense to work that way. Also, even if that is the case, why would scum waste a roleblock on a townie? You would have to ask RoL or Meapak why that is. It has been that way in every game I've played so far. How does scum know what a persons role is? All they know are their scum buddies. I could claim to be Madonna but that doesn't mean I am. | ||
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On March 03 2011 03:52 chaoser wrote: If that was the case then RoL would have written that in the OP. Or told them in their little scum meetings. Wouldn't be the first time an aww shit was discovered by the host as the game got started and changes were made. XXXVI comes to mind. Regarding the mayor being immune to role blocking. Kav was a medic protecting his bodyguard. Ya that rule got changed. | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:01 CubEdIn wrote: Ok I understand all the analysis, but you're missing one point: If you are all correct, and you are saying that mafia only used ONE role-block, then why are we instantly assuming it was LSB who lied? I am only asking because I see no good reason for LSB to lie, other than to semi-confirm himself as town. I'm just saying, if I was red, and I wanted to pull something like this, I wouldn't be claiming Role-Block from the first few hours of the day, I would wait and see if nobody else claims, because it's "unsafe" to do that so early. The only way I see it is if he saw 3 kills and figured that mafia don't have any more KPs to use. Not that I have anything against Jackal, I really don't, but I don't know why people are hating on LSB and nobody is really pushing Jackal. I considered not claiming it at all. But then I decided that it would be better if town knew. It does a few things. Forces a discussion of scum kp. Forces a discussion of what advantage it would give to either LSB or I to claim RB. At the time I made the claim I thought LSB was lying. Now I'm not so sure of that position. Even if he was that would mean scum are sitting on 3 kp. If so they will still be able to kill 3 of us tomorrow night. I see no advantages to scum for lying. Why bring that kind of attention to yourself? I dunno. Maybe I'm thinking to hard about this. The only possible reason I can see for scum to claim a fake RB is to create a scenario where both people that claimed get lynched. Trading 1 town for 1 scum. If mafia team is still capable of killing 3/night they have no reason to trade. | ||
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On March 03 2011 06:05 CubEdIn wrote: You misunderstand. I said that I get the argument that one of them could be red, since we don't get where the extra action comes from, but I am suspicious of the fact that people are so quick to jump on LSB, and not Jackal. I don't think that Jackal is red, and I don't see why LSB would claim being Role-Blocked. I never said I'm 100% sure that one of them is red. If LSB flips green are we lynching Jackal, based on your argument? I'm not "discussing" Jackal and LSB because I already said (and not once) that they seem town to me. Albeit there's a lot of WIFOM that can lead to LSB being red. No actual proof though. Because a good portion of day 2 was consumed by an LSB vs Barundar pissing contest. Plus he's probably better looking than I am. | ||
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On March 03 2011 06:18 GMarshal wrote: Alright, LSB requested that I please post my PM conversation with seraph, so I decided there would be no harm in doing so, keep in mind this conversation took place in the firs 3-4 hours of the first day + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Well I hit a pretty number so I'll stop posting in the thread and move to PMs ^_^ Anyways, what's your take on chaoser and gryffindor? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: chaoser is an active poster, so even if he is mafia I would let him be for now, as he is likely to slip up later, right now I want to see who is going to be inactive and pressure the hell out of them. gryffindor sets off my scum radar because of his vet claim, especially after I said not to claim, however I just don;t think he would be stupid enough to post that if he were mafia. annul is annoying me due to what I see as his intentional stupidity, which could be a scum tell, coag is being his usual unreadable self, so I may consider proposing him as a lynch target your thoughts? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Chaoser strikes me as a panicking scum, but I could be wrong. Selfish townies like staying alive too. At the very least he's made my list to watch. Gryffindor is either really bad or is playing a game with some sort of intricate plan. I'm looking at the setup though, and I don't see how a mass claim could benefit town within reasonable probability. Honestly, I'm really afraid of annul, since the two games I've played with him he's been godfather XD. And both times he's won. So who knows. If he starts an unreasonable bandwagon though I'm going to push for his lynch. Coag I've learned to ignore. If we really get nothing better at the end of the day though may as well kill him because he really won't be giving us anything In any case, we have a lot of time. We should be able to dig up something better than coag. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: The thing with Chaoser is that he gets targeted day1 almost every game so he takes poorly to it, I'm in a PM circle with him however and he seems like he is pro town at the moment, however I will keep my eye on him. Gryffindor i dont understand, he is top of my scum list ATM, there is no way claiming vet is a good idea, and I honestly don't believe him, mass claims generally don't help town except in really specific setups, so it wouldn't help here Annul I haven't played much with so I'll believe your read of his playstyle when you get one, I actually really respect coag's scum hunting abilities, despite his occasional slip up (Guts and Glory, ugh >.<), so if only for that I'd like to keep him around barring any solid scum reads today I'm going to go for an inactive/lurker lynch however we still have 46 hours or so, so we'll have more to analyze tommorow. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Oh ok. Not too familiar with chaoser, first game with him (I think?). You're in a whole circle with him? Huh. Well I'm sure you know what you're doing. Gryffindor... His votes thus far have been on who? Foolishness and you? He's piling on the scumminess. The only thing he's got going for him is that no one's even trying to defend him. But maybe his scumbuddies just haven't had time to voice themselves. And conversation two on 2/26/11 18:25 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: So, since you seem to be shy of posting in the thread or something I thought I'd PM you So, what are your thoughts on the current situation? + Show Spoiler + Lol sorry I'm not exactly on top of my game right now There is definitely experience in the mafia. If annul gave up because his team sucked it was not because everyone on his team sucked. Look towards veterans and good players, at least one of them is scum, I wouldn't be surprised if it were someone who's usually much more active too. Who are you thinking about lynching, or are you content with staying back and watching people's reactions for now? I might have to end up trusting your judgement by the end of the day, depending on how sober I am in 48 hours >_> + Show Spoiler + At this point I want to see how people react to pressure, I'm starting to light a fire under the inactives, (i've PMed most of them), and the OMGUS by gryff was really suspicious. Also cube is lurking which is really rare in him, so I would look to him as a potential scum. I can understand being busy on a weekend, (I have exams next week, its going to be glorious -_- ) so no worries, we still have 48 hours to see how things play out So yeah, nothing in there that I see as incriminating, in fact I think it points at seraph being town. Thoughts? First thought is if you, LSB and Seraph are all scum this means nothing. I'm not pointing an FoS at anybody I'm just not interested in reading PMs | ||
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On March 03 2011 06:43 deconduo wrote: Just a few things: Cubed does have a good point that people seem to be missing. Why ignore the possibility of Jackal being the one with the fake roleclaim. Chaoser doesn't even mention it and bum simply says 'Now, I can't say much on jackal' Regardless of what the situation is with them is, the fact that this was ignored in the analysis is the important point. Those PMs do paint a somewhat different picture of seraph. If seraph was trying to bus annul why didn't he do so in the thread? It's because LSB is at the front end of several peoples scum list. The only reason I can think of. I fully expected to be thoroughly grilled by posting my RB. | ||
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On March 03 2011 08:48 gryffindor wrote: I agree with the above, though I'd rather lynch someone completely different. The votes are pitifully strewn about, and I fully expect a lot of wagon hopping in the next couple of hours. We need to form an active-person-voting bloc. I was imagining this in my car. Myself, Foolishness, LSB, Deconduo, Barundar, Cubedin, LunarDestiny, Jackal, Bum, Ser Aspi, Chaoser ^I am not happy with any of these lynches, although I would consider LSB because of his anti-town player d2+, even considering his "pro-town" play d1, even if he has cognitive bias in relation to how terrible it was due to him eventually being on a scum wagon. What about ohN? Guy has been seriously lurking. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this? On March 03 2011 08:51 gryffindor wrote: Also, they have 3 KP it says "THE godfather represents 1kp", also there will be 6 in a game this size. So, we should have 4 at .5, and 1 at 1, meaning 3kp 3 deaths, either a vig isn't claiming, or someone is lying Eventually, if a vig doesn't come forward, we need to lynch between Jackal and LSB. Maybe even if a vig comes forward, if we determine they are scum collectively as a town. On February 10 2011 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: There are currently ? Godfather(s) remaining. That little "s" in parenthesis is wherein lies the conundrum. And serious question to you gryff - You're really old enough to drive? I am going to change my vote in a bit to either JBright or Seraph. But I want to wait to ensure we actually get a lynch. I also want to see who shows up trying to push a diversion. Please try to stay active in the last hour town. Please????? | ||
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UNVOTE: kevconsim ##VOTE: Seraph I urge you all to do the same. | ||
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On March 03 2011 10:01 Ser Aspi wrote: After seeing all these silent voters come out of the woodwork and vote jbright with no rationale Im feeling rather uneasy. Exactly. | ||
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On March 03 2011 10:16 GMarshal wrote: O.O like this? Yes. On March 03 2011 10:19 gryffindor wrote: Seraph, time to claim What is with you and this "claim" fetish? You an insurance salesman? | ||
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On March 03 2011 10:23 LSB wrote: All we need now is Pandain to run in and quickly switch the lynch to someone random. I can't panic like him. | ||
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I haven't received 12 PMs describing the bus in detail. | ||
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On March 03 2011 11:47 chaoser wrote: Totally off topic but did you guys know scientists figured out weed-derivatives makes you less anxious??? GENIUS, I wonder how they figured that one out...lol (they actually did a lot of testing and it's kinda exciting result but still...) "CB1 cannabinoid receptors mediate anxiolytic effects: convergent genetic and pharmacological evidence with CB1-specific agents" Encouraging people to smoke a doobie in a game that already promotes massive paranoia. This is scum right here folks. | ||
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On March 03 2011 11:49 JBright wrote: From what I can tell, it's actually 5 for me since Ser Aspi forgot to unvote before switching over to seraph. I haven't seen a vote from seraph yet, so he might be modkilled instead. Do we have a plan B for the last 10 minutes? You. Ya wanna push it? | ||
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On March 03 2011 12:01 Coagulation wrote: wow really? REALLY? No he fucking lied to make your head explode. kevinconsim is scum. LastArgument is scum. I'll have 2 more for you before the bastards kill me. | ||
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On March 03 2011 14:01 bumatlarge wrote: Oh, I knew it rounded-up but I didn't figure it like that. Interesting...? How did you figure it and when did you tell RoL you wanted your .5 kp back? | ||
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On March 04 2011 02:45 CubEdIn wrote: Ok but why would mafia RB two people and kill three instead of killing four at this stage of the game. Am I missing something here? They weren't role blocking. They were trying to snipe two veterans. | ||
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GMarshall - You're being to damned agreeable. Your play is reminding me of Clues and Puzzles. | ||
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On March 04 2011 11:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Night actions... Gtfo. Mod kill the bastards. Town wins. | ||
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I put them on my list at the start of night and promised more. Another one is GMarshall. I am pretty much incapable of providing analysis such as you guys did. My beliefs are entirely gut feelings. I've learned to trust them. | ||
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On March 04 2011 12:04 GMarshal wrote: ##Vote LastArgument Why not kevinconsim? | ||
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On March 04 2011 12:07 GMarshal wrote: Foolishness' last post was against LastArgument, I figure I might as well go with that and get Kevinconism tomorrow My bad. I ran Ser Apsi's post and Foolishness' post together. Damn picture. Unvote: Kevinscumsin Vote: Last Argument. | ||
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On March 04 2011 12:53 bumatlarge wrote: gg lol high fives foolishness o/ We'll get them for you Bum. | ||
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On March 04 2011 13:02 chaoser wrote: REPEATING WHAT I JUST SAID! SCUMMMMMMMMMMMM lol I think you're stoned again. Goes to check the voting thread.......... | ||
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On March 04 2011 13:31 kevconsim wrote: ##Vote Jackal58 I dont like him and he annoys me on a personal level. Im not mafia and i figure either me or LA is gonna get voted so it doesnt really matter who i vote for. Good luck town. I'm sorry. Need a tissue? ##UNVOTE Last Argument ##VOTE kevconsim A million apologies to you Foolishness but I gotta stick with my gut on this one. LA in my opinion is probably scum but kevconsim is much more of a certainty to me. | ||
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On March 05 2011 07:07 GMarshal wrote: Alright, so this either confirms you two or is a desperate scum gamble to survive, if we hung either of you the other would be confirmed, however the price of that confirmation is bringing us one day closer to lylo if you guys aren't a scumteam... So, people what are your thoughts on the topic? If we lynch LA we confirm LSB as town or scum depending on the flip, alternatively we could just ignore that and go after kevinconism/others as our lynch of the day and worry about LSB and LA tomorrow, hoping that a mafia hit would flip one of them for us. Waiting to see if scum hit them is nothing but wifom. If they don't get hit they must be scum. So then we'd have to lynch them. Why put us in a position to do scums job for them? Remember what Foolishness said about lynching for information. | ||
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On March 06 2011 02:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have work tonight and will get home just after 10pm. If meapak can't make the night post I will do it, but for fairness all votes after 10pm will not be counted. Meapak is usually good about this stuff though, I am just talking worst case scenario You might want to PM him instead of me. My night post would be extremely biased. | ||
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On March 06 2011 04:52 chaoser wrote: I just want to say that this is win win for town, if LSB is red then we have the rest of the red team. If LSB is vigi then we have pretty much a confirmed townie and we can all claim if we decide that's the wisest choice and work from there. If DT/cops are still alive we can narrow down the suspects like whoa. Lemme rain on your collective parades. 1. LSB is town 2. LSB is vigi. 3. LSB shot bumatlarge not LA. 4. I am speaking for one of our medics. 5. LSB was hit on the last night cycle. 6. LSB is protecting LA for reasons that none of us in the circle truly understand. 7. LSB believes LA to be town. That is his belief alone. I am not defending LA. 8. Nobody in our circle is defending LA. 9. I cannot name any of the others in our circle without throwing medics and others to the wolves. I will not do that. Do not ask Gryff. I will not answer. 10. I have been in contact with people that were in a circle with Foolishness. !!. Their scum list matches ours on 3 out of 4 names. There are 2 ways you guys can confirm some of this. 1 - Continue with you lynch of LSB. He is a vigi. This will provide absolutely no info on LA. Will only let you know that I'm not bullshitting you. 2 - Lynch me. You get a vanilla townie. And no other useful information. Both options are anti-town. We need all the townies we can get no matter if they are lucid or not. Lynch Chaoser. | ||
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On March 06 2011 06:14 chaoser wrote: Wait so why am I being voted on again? Did the points I bring up not make sense? LSB gets lynched and he flips vigi, we have a confirmed townie in LA don't we? Unless medic protected him? Which I highly doubt? If LSB gets lynched and flips red we have the rest of the mafia team (LA+everyone against this lynch) I didn't even know LSB got protected. Why wasn't medic protecting foolishness and only protecting LSB? This is quite a coincidence that all this shit is just happening to one guy. LA is not confirmed in any way shape or form. I was aware of who LSB shot well before LA claimed to have been hit. | ||
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On March 06 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote: Why would he not be confirmed? LSB said he shot LA. LA claims he is vet. There's two ways this would go down. IF LSB is actually VIGI and shot LA then unless a medic protected LA (WHICH I DOUBT SINCE HE WAS SUSPECTED OF BEING MAFIA), LA is vet. IF LSB IS MAFIA THEN THEY BOTH LYING!!! Because LSB lied about who he hit for reasons known only to LSB. LSB believes LA is town for reasons known only to LSB. I know that LSB hit bumatlarge. I know a medic absorbed a hit on LSB. Why LSB is trying to get himself killed instead of LA we don't know. This is not my opinion alone. There are others involved that cannot speak or town is truly pooched. But you know most of this. Squirm scum squirm. | ||
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On March 06 2011 06:39 chaoser wrote: lol, you're funny. scum calling town scum, priceless. My demeanor changed cause I'm excited. You know why? Cause this is mafia making their last big play. Obviously you all know how it's going to go down if you fail this one lynch. How can we confirm ANY OF THIS AS REAL TRUTH. You said LSB LIED?! LOLOL, you're saying a lie is going to lead to the truth. So let's add that as another reason for him being red. LAL I'm not asking anybody to believe LSB. I'm asking town to trust me. A variety of blues have. I gave you 2 confirmation options. Neither will confirm anything other than LSB is a vigi or that I'm a vanilla townie. I would prefer if town needs to go that route that they lynch me. Because lynching LSB will allow scum to exploit an apparent confirmation of LA. That is a lie. I am their mouthpiece because I am just a vanilla townie. | ||
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On March 06 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Also, since you are just a "vanilla townie", why are you part of this circle? What confirmed that you are indeed town? You role blocked me. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:00 Barundar wrote: You are being played Jackal. We all know you are town and that you are convinced, but really, what made you believe in LSB's lies? I haven't discounted that possibility. However if I have been the number of people that played me is impressive. The fact that they would think so highly of me to put this shitstorm in motion is also some what flattering. It would be one of the best and biggest games scum ever played. I'd feel like the biggest stooge on TL. It would be more epic than Coag blowing up GGQ. Yes I've considered that I'm being played. And shit has happened that makes that possibility nil. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:22 Barundar wrote: Nope, I got a pretty strong town read on Jackal, and as far as I can tell from his silence, he is starting to doubt, why am I really trusting this guy. The information he can give town about your doings once you flip will be pretty damn valuable. Coag I have been suspecting, but he hasn't been playing decisively anti town. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, you are the scum here. My silence is due to me cooking dinner not doubt. Stuffed pork chops!!!!!!! | ||
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On March 06 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote: @LSB, Jackal whoever. I'm up in 6 hours, I need my sleep. You have 10 minutes to convince me to vote for chaoser, otherwise it goes back on LSB. I'm sorry but next time you want to make a big fuckoff play like this, town or mafia, don't do it 4 hours before the deadline. I wanted to do it sooner but I was waiting for an explanation from LSB. None came. I posted. And yes Coag is medic. And yes LSB going all fucking cowboy on us fucked us. | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:01 deconduo wrote: Given the situation, his logic made sense. Lynching you gives more information than lynching LA given what was known. I would not do the same thing as its essentially lynching for information. I want to lynch you because you are all over the place. I want to punch him. | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote: Explain why you would claim night 1, when it's EXACTLY what this game was supposed to be about not doing. I don't believe it. Crazy people tend to gravitate towards each other????? | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:43 Barundar wrote: This is retarded. No medic would ever claim to save a used vigi. You are talking about the guy that ended No Guts No Glory with a bang. | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:59 GMarshal wrote: ##unvote ##vote ohN Boy am I going to feel silly if LSB ends up being the gf For what it's worth the chaoser push came from the Foolishness camp. | ||
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On March 06 2011 11:58 why wrote: FUCK YEAH!!! LSB you are a god Foolishness is god. When I made my post I seriously had no real idea who to push. An individual in a circle with Foolishness gave me their short list. I compared it to our short list. Chaoser looked to me like he would bring out the most defense from the scum team so I went with it. I told you we would avenge you Foolishness!!!!! | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:00 Barundar wrote: You are being played Jackal. We all know you are town and that you are convinced, but really, what made you believe in LSB's lies? Just a little revisit. Neener Neener Neener. | ||
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On March 06 2011 12:22 LSB wrote: Bait and fucking switch Worked like a charm If by worked like a charm you mean "Jackal put his dick on the line waiting for me to fucking do something" ya it worked like a charm. | ||
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On March 06 2011 12:28 Barundar wrote: No Im not mafia, I thought I was damn good for pegging you day 2. Annul, Seraph and chaoser all said the same thing. | ||
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On March 06 2011 12:39 Barundar wrote: What pains me is part of the reason I was wrong on LSB is simply that coag is so damn stupid. I mean why would anyone a) Claim medic to random dude night 1 for the second game in a row b) Claim in thread to protect a used vigi hit. It just doesn't make sense to me But you already knew LSB had a medic claim to him. Decondouo and LD my apologies From: Barundar [ 775 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: well sorry Date: 3/4/11 18:50 GM was mafia there or what? I think he is doing a decent job at pressuring kev and LA, nice to see some action out of him. I pressured him some on Skype today, you can get the logs if you want. I have a question for you, you said LSB said he had a medic claim to him. It strikes me as odd that a medic would claim to LSB and not to Foolishness. Do you remember when and in what context LSB said this? Original Message From Jackal58: GMarshalls play is beginning to remind me of "Clues and Puzzles" game. He is being to damned agreeable. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Barundar: I doubt LSB actually thinks I'm scum, I'm usually pretty damn obvious when town in my own opinion. He might try to get me lynched tho Foolishness: Atleast 3 other people I talk to suspect him of being mafia. I see him as town and have been PM'ing a bit with him since night 2, hence why I'm pressuring Seraph at the moment. Deconduo: Convinced he is town. LD: Was leaning town, now I'm not so sure. People wanted to lynch me for focusing on too little evidence when I did an analysis of your first post, and as an apendix mentioned your sharp reactions to PM's. Now here days after LD take the apendix and writes pages about that alone. GMarshall: Strong start and leaned town from it, has since fallen a bit off it imo. You know I can't use "make the hair on my neck stand up" for anything, would like to hear why you suspect them though? I don't trust LSB what so ever, remember he was obvious mafia in HPmafia in the thread, but still managed to wiggle out of it by convincing RoL otherwise in PM's. RoL even role claimed to him day 1, kinda ironic seeing as RoL's goal for this game is to punish roleclaims. I promised not to continue fighting with LSB today though, to let the town do some scumhunting, but I'm biting my tongue not to jump on him together with the rest of town. 2 rb's today, and same KP? And they RB'ed someone who claimed green in thread? I'm just not buying it. Original Message From Jackal58: No problem. You're playing the game. LSB thinks he's scum too. He thinks you are as well. I'm being played but I don't know by who yet. What are your thought on the following: Foolishness deconduo LD GMarshall They all make the hair on my neck stand up. LSB also claims to have had a medic claim to him. And just for the record I'm not sold on the idea that LSB is scum. I've also told him I'm not sold on the idea that you are either. I will not vote for him at this point in time unless something drastic occurs. Neither will I try to change the vote to somebody else. Original Message From Barundar: Hah I found kevconsism(?) to be linked to LSB, and found him to be scum, have only shared my conviction in PM's tho. Sorry for being wrong on your allignment initially | ||
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On March 06 2011 12:53 Barundar wrote: Cus I realised that it might have been another of LSB's lies. It was relevant when a medic would have claimed to him, to verify if it was after I had cast suspicion on him or before. It didn't become relevant until he didn't die. | ||
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On March 06 2011 13:19 ohN wrote: Holy shit I'm so confused. ~.~ Thank you. I did my best. | ||
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On March 06 2011 22:03 gryffindor wrote: I am the 3rd medic, by the way, guys I will be doublestacking on LSB. I don't care if I die, since some of you find me to be scum. Where is our mad hatter at? Bombs on Barundar and GMarshal would be nice. Are you nuts????? If you really are the medic there are 3 very confirmed townies you could have claimed to. Insanity defenses rarely work. | ||
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On March 06 2011 15:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bumatlarge has been mod killed for imitating a mod. Is this for real???? And could you update the player list please. Pretty please. Don't kill me. I got my bums and barundars mixed up. Hangovers suck. | ||
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On March 07 2011 11:52 Coagulation wrote: btw after im killed and flipped medic and LSB is 100% confirmed everyone needs to roleclaim to him. I'm Santa. | ||
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On March 07 2011 15:44 gryffindor wrote: Your town play has been pretty bad this game, and I wouldn't be surprised if yesterday you threw out another one of your own, considering how close you are to LYLO. If you want to incorrectly use terminology, go for it, I won't feed into that nor will I be feeding your trolling.. Gameplay here is more fun except when you run into people who believe that they are better than they are. I know my town play is greatly improving, but I guess you don't realize that, yet I still consider myself fairly inept as town because I'm not that good at convincing people. You have been bitter towards me from the start of the game, and actually have done a good job scumhunting.. bravo.. but you almost got lynched how many times? hahaha LSB. My play as mafia has devolved into lurking and gaming the town, and posting terrible (see orgah endgame) Plus, anyways, I know you aren't suspicious of me, just as I'm not suspicious of you, though I'm sure we could both make great cases on the other. You know this because I wouldn't have sent you that original PM I was mafia, when we got Annul. This has been a weird game, and you're trying to figure it out just like I am, and just like Foolishness was. Is it possible both you and Jackal are lying? Sure. However, I don't believe that you are capable of sniping blues in the way that they were sniped. I would be, so yeah, that is a point against me, but I would have actually been better than this. From a PM with Foolishness, talking about who could snipe blues other than me: So, who is mafia? Individually, I want to lean towards GMarshal for his associative tells with Annul, but looking at the bigger picture, I realize I have to keep my head on a swivel. There are still likely 3 scum, and we REALLY need to get their KP down to 1. So, GMarshal is out. ohN is out. Your vote on him is horrible. Why? Because he's not the Godfather. Who do you expect to be the Godfather? Do you believe Annul would have let me be the Godfather? I don't. Let's see how good you really are. ##UNVOTE: LD ##VOTE: Gryffindor | ||
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On March 07 2011 23:24 gryffindor wrote: I don't even see how I need to respond to your "case", Jackal. I also believe that your voting me for that reason is both a joke and asinine. If you actually feel like you have a case on me, go ahead and address it. We only have 12 and a half hours left to get this lynch correct, and while I don't really mind being lynched, I would rather us lynch the Godfather and reduce their ability to kill per night to 1. You've claimed Medic and Veteran. If you were a medic you would have died last night. The hits from mafia last night make absolutely no sense. Almost like you picked them. You've asserted that LSB is a liar and should be lynched for that after you became a MOD confirmed liar yourself. I put on a push to save LSB and lynch a red yet you still float accusations of LSB and I both lying. Why would a townie do that? Oh that's right he wouldn't. You have chosen a brilliant way to play scum but like I said before an insanity defense rarely works. Oh and we have 36 hours to mourn your upcoming demise. | ||
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On March 07 2011 23:27 gryffindor wrote: 13 people, probably 10 town 3 scum if you lynch me - 9 town 3 scum nightkills - 7 town 3 scum mislynch - 6 town 3 scum two days from now will be lylo at 4 town 3 scum we only have 2 mislynches, even if we are 3/4, due to all these fucking modkills so, yeah, it would be best if you would, you know, actually vote scum jackal We really only have 1 scum still hiding. That's you. Hiding in plain sight. | ||
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On March 07 2011 15:44 gryffindor wrote: Do you believe Annul would have let me be the Godfather? I don't. No I don't. And he was pissed you got it. If you go back to day 1 and read all of Annul's posts it looks like he was pissed about it. Chaoser, GMarshall, Seraph and you all received an FoS from him during the day. We now know how 2 of those have gone. Plus his claim to idiocy that he'll explain at the end of the game plus his 1 down 4 to go comment. I think he was telling the truth. Wasn't he? Annul bussed the entire scum team because you're godfather. So you guys had to bus him. Fucking amazing. | ||
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On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me Scum would. Who would claim medic openly? On March 06 2011 22:03 gryffindor wrote: I am the 3rd medic, by the way, guys I will be doublestacking on LSB. I don't care if I die, since some of you find me to be scum. Where is our mad hatter at? Bombs on Barundar and GMarshal would be nice. Scum would. What medic would survive such a claim? Scum would. Who would continuously quote their own nonsensical posts to prove points that were made at the last lynch? Scum would. What Godfather would not hit a confirmed medic in Coagulation? A crazy one. If you're town vote gryffindor | ||
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On March 08 2011 09:05 GMarshal wrote: Well JBright is dead, you can feel free to try to kill him again if you please though For now I'm moving my vote to LD, as from my PM history with chaoser he seemed upset when foolishness almost lynched him. Of course with my luck LD will be a vigi or cop or something. ##unovte ##Vote LunarDestiny Gryffindor is the GF. Lynch him. Re-read all of Annuls posts. He threw all of you guys to the dogs. You know it. I know it. Gryff knows it. I can't wait to read your scum log. | ||
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On March 08 2011 09:23 deconduo wrote: oHn + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 19:21 ohN wrote: 'Just finished catching up My thoughts: Cells are a good idea but GMarshal giving us predetermined groups that he thinks we should work with is pretty scummy. They weren't just like 1-3, 4-6 either, he moved them around to his liking. Not a good candidate for day1 lynch because I don't feel that that alone is enough to incriminate him but definitely FoS on him. I dont see how people think + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:40 chaoser wrote: Ok, so like Gmarshal said, we shouldn't depend on blues this game. Especially since RoL specifically said this game was to punish us for what happened in Salam. At the same thing, I don't think the mafia powers are all THAT powerful. Let them frame away, that's one less death to worry about. PMs are allowed but PLEASE don't just give out crazy info in them (roleclaim, etc.). The point of town is not to have 1 leader controlling everything but small circles that are separated so that if one goes down, the others can still operate. Let's all work together and not let a few players handle all the work (which always seems to happen). This means contributing pleaseee. Him noting that mafia isn't that powerful is something anybody could point out. Role reversal has huge potential but only if mafia has a confirmed blue. They still have to give up an entire kp to use it so they will not be open to using it without being absolutely sure. Role reversal on a townie does nothing except waste a kp. I'll probably end up voting for someone who hasn't posted anything useful or that guy who thought annul was inactive(lol). I thought that post wasn't too scummy either, but he did defend chaoser. On February 25 2011 10:26 ohN wrote: Icemac is probably town. Bad d1 lynch target. Looks more like a bad/aggressive player than scum. I'm still not convinced annul is a good lynch. Annul's not pushing GM that hard, he simply pointed out that GM had a bad idea and is calling him out on it. I don't think he ever said "GM is clear mafia." GM DID propose an arguably terrible plan; how come nobody else is calling him out for that? Annul's not looking any more scum than GM here in my eyes. Barundar's accusation of Jackal is definitely not convincing but it's not utter crap either. It's an interesting point to look back to in the near future. Slight FoS on Jackal imo. And finally, why is gryff not getting lynched? Blatant lie here. Wait what. ##Vote: gryffindor Defends annul On February 26 2011 08:46 ohN wrote: Woah annul was mafia? o.O Somehow, I didn't expect that... I'll put in more analysis once day2 hits, doesn't seem worth it to type up my thoughts at the moment when day2 results could just turn them all sideways. Doesn't keep promise, never gave more analysis On February 28 2011 09:35 ohN wrote: Wow, a lot happened when I was gone. I still don't understand why we're voting icemac. He doesn't look scummy at all. Like, yeah, he posted about 0 analysis and opinion but that holds true for a lot of other people too. 'Just looks like a scapegoat that mafia are trying to redirect lynches too. Between LSB and Barundar I doubt either of them are mafia. If one of them is, it's LSB. Can't really say why I think that and there's so many pages that I just read but yeah, that's my take on the situation. So, who to vote for.. I still think gryff is suspicious, although that might just be because of his weird playstyle. I'd rather have gryff lynched than icemac to be honest. Reading through, Foolishness's post like 2-3 above this has a good point and since I don't think LSB/Barundar/icemac are mafia, there goes my vote. ##Vote: LunarDestiny Still don't know of LD is scum or not, but considering he's getting modkilled today I dunno. Defends icemac again, but its easy to defend the person who the wagon is on as mafia so you can say 'Hey look I was right he's town' On March 03 2011 11:43 ohN wrote: Oh man i was so busy these past few days and i completely forgot i was playing. D: ##Vote: ohN Sorry, I'll catch up asap. Except never caught up. More empty promises. On March 05 2011 17:38 ohN wrote: lol If it weren't for this post, I'd be a bit more hesitant. ##Vote: LSB If he's red, LA is red, Barundar is green, and there's a huge paper trail left to re-analyze. Honestly sounds like a good lynch. Are we still at the point where we can afford to use lynches like this? Bad post? Again to be fair, the situation was messy. Still another wrong vote... On March 07 2011 14:24 ohN wrote: Lol I'm lurking so hardcore this game. =P Uh, me not voting annul day1? There was a semi-strong case against him but honestly, I'm not sure anybody really expected him to turn out to be red until he openly admitted it before he died. I voted for gryff for his erratic posting behavior. Me not voting seraph is completely my fault for being inactive. Not voting chaoser? I still don't understand wtf happened. Like LSB looked so scummy and then like turned the tables so hard and chaoser turned out to be red, it was like magic. Oh yeah, and I didn't hop on the icemac wagon. He didn't look scummy at all. I seriously thought LSB looked scummy as hell but now, I have just have no f-ing idea. Maybe I'm just too noob for this game. Pulls the noob card finally when under pressure. oHN may well be a scum. I think there are only 2 left but if there is a third it's him Lynch Gryffindor. | ||
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On March 08 2011 09:41 GMarshal wrote: well since coag PMed me such a convincing argument I may as well ##Unvote ##vote gryffindor I'll just note for the postgame that the LSB, coag circle hasn't actually been confirmed, but the chances of LSB busing 3/5 or 3/6 of his teammates is rather slim, no? It can't really be confirmed unless one of them die. I trust both of them implicitly. If they have both played me it is masterful work. Chaoser would have to agree. Even though I got him lynched. | ||
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On March 08 2011 12:10 GMarshal wrote: 24 hours still remain, right? Yes sir. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2011 15:44 gryffindor wrote: Is it possible both you and Jackal are lying? Sure. However, I don't believe that you are capable of sniping blues in the way that they were sniped. I would be, so yeah, that is a point against me, but I would have actually been better than this. Arrogance. On March 07 2011 23:24 gryffindor wrote: I don't even see how I need to respond to your "case", Jackal. I also believe that your voting me for that reason is both a joke and asinine. If you actually feel like you have a case on me, go ahead and address it.. I did. On March 07 2011 23:27 gryffindor wrote: we only have 2 mislynches, even if we are 3/4, due to all these fucking modkills so, yeah, it would be best if you would, you know, actually vote scum jackal I am. On March 08 2011 00:25 gryffindor wrote: Too bad I'm not going to be lynched You are quite bad at this game, if you are town. Yes you are. And no I'm not. | ||
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On March 08 2011 19:33 deconduo wrote: Read from bottom one up, started with nested quotes. 3/2/11 02:24 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gryffindor: you know what's both interesting and cool? JBright and Seraph were both on icemac, but not annul, and they are two of the leading wagons. JBright's vote on me is so pitiful, but I don't feel like OMGUSing again 3/2/11 00:11 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gryffindor: I thought southern ireland was What do you expect made him shift focus away from LD? Do you feel he was attempting to bus LD.. well, not bus, but create distancing? 3/1/11 19:44 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gryffindor: I would find that suspicious as fuck, especially if it was from an experienced player, like Foolishness. I really don't think he's mafia Chaoser's PM's and convos with GMarshall looked pretty town too. | ||
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On March 09 2011 02:38 gryffindor wrote: the fact of the matter is i thought i was dead, tried to post some pro-town things, and even admitted I was green so you wouldn't have to wait on a mod scene. the fact I still have 7 votes on me is ATROCIOUS town play All scum admit they're green. All scum claim atrocious town play. You are dead. | ||
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On March 09 2011 03:29 gryffindor wrote: Oh, I didn't read your spoiler, Jackal. I did not see a true case you have made on me... If you would quote it, or address it, I would love to dissect it because it has to be illogical You don't read anything. | ||
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On March 09 2011 03:46 gryffindor wrote: I read the entire thread, I have yet to see you make a case on anyone, really. You just sheep and bandwagon. You have been voting me for little reason nearly every day, starting day 1, so of course I am skeptical that you have a case. Present it, or shut up about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8194654 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8195657 On March 09 2011 03:55 gryffindor wrote: ive used my vote, that should be enough i have been on 2 out of 3 scum wagons, and we wouldnt be in the position where 2 mislynches = lylo i am suspicious of you... why would you not die if you were truly a doctor? you can bet i would kill you if i was scum, even if it could potentially be a ploy where you are in fact a mad hatter. that would be very cute. it's something i would do. however, even if i thought you were a mad hatter, i would expect your bombs to be placed incorrectly, and would kill you anyways. i am not going to formally claim. however, considering i sent you "mafia"... would mafia really do that? WIFOM I know, but hey... id like to see your lists, but you would have to be mentally handicapped to share them with me + Show Spoiler + I originally replied with "mafia" as a joke, but I feel I should address this in thread this PM was actually the first signs of life i had... i went to bed thinking i was dead! i wake back up to watch GSL, and wham... I wasn't sure if I was alive, or if he was trolling me. I was actually pretty upset when I got on with like 5 minutes to lynch (or so i thought) with 7 votes on me. Then I was excited to see I was still alive, but players are still voting me even after it is really obvious that i was being pro-town before i died... whatever, i'm about to just give up, because i don't want to be "modkilled for spamming", even if this is the only way I can avoid being lynched | ||
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On March 09 2011 07:08 gryffindor wrote:So, I'm weird, and abrasive... get over it Are you willing to put your neck on the line for our other mislynch after I die, Jackal? I never said you were abrasive. Your game play is for lack of a better word - weird. Actually I think I called it insane. And yes if it is for the better good of town I will gladly die. On March 09 2011 07:10 gryffindor wrote: and i say our other mislynch because if you all choose to ML me, we have 1 more ML before LYLO, tomorrow, unless Coagulation really is a doctor and not on a scumteam with LSB, and has a successful protection. I doubt there is a 3rd doctor at all, to be honest, and there is no way I would claim anything but green as scum in a large game. In a mini, I most definitely would, but not in a large. I would be trying to lurk and coast like I did in Orgah... and you know what... I lasted until LYLO where I had an easy win if it wasn't a BASTARD GAME. So much anger. You really shouldn't play as scum. It must really fuck with your blood pressure. Sorry man. You are the GF. You got tripped up. By your own goon. Don't take it personally it's just a game. | ||
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On March 09 2011 08:17 gryffindor wrote: I hope the town don't hold you to that, actually, because I'm fairly certain you're just a village idiot If I am it's just in the game. Must be a terrible burden for you sir. | ||
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Of course oHN is scum. Jesus Fucking Christ. You just gave this fucker credibility. Jesus Fucking Christ. | ||
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On March 09 2011 11:59 gryffindor wrote: also, I am really a vigilante, and I am going to kill you tonight LSB, because you are going to ruin LYLO if I don't hammering me hope you enjoy that You're the goddamn fucking godfather. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:05 gryffindor wrote: ok, i'm going to quit trolling and gloating about not being lynched sorry, RoL, I'm just extremely happy and I enjoy getting under LSB's skin! End game will validate me. Fuck you town. You're dumb as a post. | ||
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No he doesn't. He bussed another scummy to save his ass. | ||
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I need to pound my head against the wall. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:11 gryffindor wrote: Jackal, you should probably go for a walk, man. I don't want you to get modkilled if you are town with me... You're not town. | ||
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I can only claim 1. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:16 gryffindor wrote: jackal, I am town. I disagree with your assessment of the situation sir. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:21 gryffindor wrote: if ohN is the godfather, LSB/coagulation are the remaining scum though lol LSB said he would make a lurker the godfather If I can get us both mod killed town wins. Scum. | ||
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You too godfather. | ||
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On March 09 2011 18:43 Ser Aspi wrote: No. Jackal was the one who went for chaoser. Being wrong about gryff does not make him mafia. He has been a key asset to the town. It makes me an idiot. | ||
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LD keviconsim 2 are most likely scum. Which 2 LD is just skating. GMarshall is 100% in his voting skills. keviconsim gets much to defensive to anybody mentioning his name. I suspect GMarshall is town. He's to obvious to be scum. And there is still a possibility we have 3 scum left. That half a kp is taking math to a whole new level. | ||
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On March 10 2011 08:17 CubEdIn wrote: Ummm, let's have "the talk" after the night kills. Don't give scum reasons to kill someone or another. What if we all talk? | ||
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On March 10 2011 08:30 kevconsim wrote: Now im positive that Jackal is town for reasons i am not allowed to discuss. If we should claim to anyone i guess it should be him. If you can't discuss it you can't post it. That's what we do here. Discuss posts. | ||
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If I don't die tonight lynch LD, | ||
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1+.5 is still two kills. I'm gonna vote LD. If he isn't the gf there is still a possibility scum kp is down to 1. If it remains at 2 I'm going to have a really hard time choosing between CubEdin and Gmarshall. Providing I'm still alive. ##VOTE: Lunar Destiny | ||
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On March 11 2011 09:18 why wrote: I think from previous kill counts we know they have 2 KP left. But there could just be 2 GF's left. You and LSB should vote for the same person though so we don't split up the votes. I'll follow wherever you two decide to go. I think GMarshal is town. He seemed honestly betrayed that Chaoser was scum and defended him really hard while most scum would have been distancing themselves from him once it was clear there was going to be a lynch. If he is scum then man it was a nice play. I'll have to sell LSB on LD then because I'm not positive cubed is scum. I think the sure thing is the safest bet tonight. | ||
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What what? | ||
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Any body home? | ||
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On March 12 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote: I think I am pretty much lynched for irregular posting/inactivity. I have no excuse to that except being busy. Doubt I can convince people with that excuse. I think your excuse is the scum team asked you to post and vote once each cycle so we'd have to waste a lynch on you. A townie would have asked for replacement or modkill. Cunning bastards. | ||
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I told you guys building this place on the tracks was a bad idea. | ||
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1 down 1 to go? Or 1 down 2 to go? We don't really know for sure yet. | ||
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Alright I'm going to go on the assumption that there are 2 left. I was really thinking we were down to one but my assumptions have bit me in the ass this game so far. LSB - Town Myself - Town Deconduo - Almost assuredly town. why - Probably town. GMarshall - Could roll either way. I think he's town. CubEdin - I think he's the GF. If he's not GM has played the ugliest game of Mafia ever. keviconsim - Hi scummy. Tonight will answer questions. If I die lynch Cubed. | ||
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Damn nuts. | ||
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Go get 'em guys. Is this where I vote for Pandain? | ||
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Bastard. | ||
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On March 13 2011 14:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: unless I get objections (You can PM them) I am going to advance the night post. I for one am happy you didn't decide to delay it. | ||
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Good job kev. Town won. I have a secret thermal nuclear device in RoL's undies. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:08 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, even if he had an extra vote, Decon had two votes first, so I call troll. Indeed. I asked that very troll about ties this very morning. | ||
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We won regardless of RoL's shenanigans. | ||
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Dunno if I'll come back to play again or not cause this is well, this is. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:23 GMarshal wrote: oh, come on jackal you are fun to play with, dont leave on account of having to sit out one teensy game >.< I want to be scum-buddies again and not bus you I won't. I was just trying to make RoL feel guilty. It worked in hind sight. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: jackal you seriously leaving us brotha man? Nope. I'm an asshole. Assholes never quit. Sometimes we become irregular but we never quit. | ||
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Tell me. Ser Aspi was my mentor of sorts. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:34 LSB wrote: lol. Anyways, I'll use 2999 on this. I would like to congratulate Gmarshal. You have redeemed yourself. You are pro. Thank you soo much for winning this! I would like to apologize on the townies I stepped on. This game I just focused on getting people lynched. Guns forward, barrels blazing. And as for bait and switch, click the spoiler if you want to know what it was all about. + Show Spoiler + BC contacted me and said he was LastArgument and that Foolishness and Ser Apasi turned on him. So I decide that BC could claim a hit, and I would say that I hit him. Didn't go as well as I planned, so I was thinking of just letting the town lynch me. Jackal then starts running in yelling that I'm lying, so I was like. Okay, I got to pull together some BS and sell it to the town. And what do you know. It worked. (It wasn't completely BS, it was based off an idea I had with Coagulation about using it to bait some mafia. I then added the switch to get the lynch off of me) And I would like to thank the host RoL, for "rnging" a completely imbalanced town and mafia. Seriously, mafia was 100% full of vets, but the town had the older vets. And I'd like to thank Ver/Foolishness for playing with us. BC doesn't count. Ya thanks for letting me put my dick out there for ya.. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:40 kevconsim wrote: You dont want to congratulate me? I CONTROLLED THIS WHOLE GAME shut it scummy. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:44 Kenpachi wrote: My plan was to try to understand whats going on so a kp gets wasted on me :S Flawless execution sir. decon has to explain that one to me... | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:44 chaoser wrote: Pretty much nothing. annul had this whole idea day 1 to draw fake heat onto himself but too many town got on him that in the end he got lynched. After that pretty much mafia went inactive except for me and dec I think. Seraph disappeared for a long time and then came back and disappeared minutes before he was suppose to claim blue to buy us another day. Then LD disappeared for a weekend. Cubed just didn't post a lot in thread or in QT. I started a IRC but aside from LD and, once in a while, Seraph (once), I think RoL was the person that most frequented it and talked to me. I was more organized with Barundar and GMarshal than my own team I felt like at times lol. After a while my only goal was to get to LYLO cause I had 6 votes in my hand at the time, all 4 mafia + barundar and GM which would give me majority as long as we got to 6 first over the other candidate. If town wasn't organized it was ezpz. LSB would have gotten lynched too if MK hadn't confirmed him I feel like and I wasn't out celebrating my birthday (2 hours till end of day, sigh). I knew dec and I had townies thinking we were town so as long as we got to LYLO we would have won. But then I got lynched and from then on it was GG Sorry about that whole getting you lynched thing. Coag put it best. "You just pulled chaoser's name out of your ass didn't you?" Well ya I did. Your name was on the Foolishness/Ser Apsi list. Not on ours. Everybody else matched. So I threw your name out there to see if it would stick. It did. Some days it's better to be lucky than good. | ||
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