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Annul - 6 Gofarman deconduo Ser Aspi LSB astroorion Gryffindor Icemac - 5 why kevonism seraph ICanFlyLow OriginalName People who need to pick one of the above, because their votes are on people with 2 or less: coagulation Jackal58 Barundar Darmousseh chaoser Jbright annul If your name isn't here, I either missed you or you're not voting. I'm sorry, or you're sorry! We've got 7-8 hours, from my recollection. Let's do something about it. People on 1-2 person wagons need to get on either Icemac or Annul. Vote: Annul Reasoning: Bandwagonning, and LSB believing he is scum. I also like the wagon more, excluding astroorion who I feel will probably come off of it due to being Annul's scumbuddy. | ||
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On February 25 2011 04:36 deconduo wrote: You can't get a read on me so you threaten to get me lynchd if I annoy you? Right. Here are our PMs, please tell me what my scummy plan is. + Show Spoiler + To gryffindor: One of the main parts of the cell idea is that no claims are made. -_- Its NOT a town circle, its an idea circle. This post describes it better than I can: you cut out the part that I was concerned with, actually | ||
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On February 25 2011 04:56 annul wrote: 1, bandwagoning. by whom? by you, you mean? because i am entirely certain that i began the wagons on chaoser and GM. called them out ridic early in the game and continued to question the cells idea logic all game. so... ? Note the bolded that is a direct lie -> open voting thread -> see the first vote on GMarshal, in the VERY first vote, from yours truly You are lying. | ||
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On February 26 2011 12:48 Jackal58 wrote: Unless of course you're gryffinder. Then by all means claim some thing else. ##VOTE: Gryffindor ##Vote: Jackal58 I was on the Annul wagon, a wagon on mafia. Were you? I didn't think so. | ||
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I haven't ever bussed someone on teamliquid; it isn't how mafia is played here. If you expect people to be bussing, you are playing very poorly as town. Would I really go out of my way to push the lynch of my mafia buddy? Would said mafia buddy THEN counterpush me? Who have I had interactions with that would look like my scumbuddies? IF I am lynched, this is a very laughable town Annul had associative tells with both GMarshal and Icemac, both of whom we should pursue lynches on, but you all are so hurt that someone is a better player than you, you can't get over the fact that OMGUS/bussing is just senselessly being thrown at me when both aren't relevant to this particular scenario. The OMGUS relatedness isn't relevant because some OMGUS is very-town, especially when the goal of it is to point out that I'm part of the reason why Annul got lynched. Apart from GMarshal or IceMac, Seraph would also be a good lynch from my perspective, due to the recent post he made sounding like goading/fake-sincerity regarding the medic/cop snipe, and considering his excuse for lurking in the same post... well, it just reads forced and overly defensive. GMarshal looks like Annul's buddy to me, because Annul gave him a casual FoS in a post that he failed to try make look real, followed by voting someone else. It was way past where the RVS should end, and it was a lackluster post saying "Well, i'd lynch gmarshal or ___". He listed GMarshal first, talked about him like he was suspicious, then failed to vote him, voting someone else. Now, I see I have a few votes on me now, so unvote If you're unfamiliar with me, go read Orgah mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653 I am a Serial Killer in this game, and obviously scum. I say obviously, because my play there as scum is contrasted with how I am playing in this game. In that game, I was generally unhelpful, lurking, and inactive. This game, I am very active, and dedicated to the town teching up thanks guys, love you all | ||
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On February 27 2011 03:18 chaoser wrote: Wouldn't mafia, if they were trying to redirect off annul, find it easier to pick gryf to stack on? He lied multiple times, changed from no to the PMs to yes to PMs but with his own list. I mean, that's a much easier case to be made than to do it on jackal right? It doesn't make sense to try to push jackal is a viable lynch candidate for mafia when the big juicy target of gryf is there. they tried to shift votes onto me notice how i was also voted at the start of this phase they definitely want me gone. I didn't just vote annul, I actually made about a 40 line case on him, which I guess people missed | ||
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On February 27 2011 04:54 chaoser wrote: I don't agree with you LSB, Jackal wasn't an easier choice than Gryf or icemac. I think at that point, no one had voted for Jackal yet, so for mafia to start a completely new bandwagon instead of using one that already had a decent amount of people in it is weird and not what mafia would do. So basically you claimed town, you didn't even say "good players" you said "proven scumhunters" aka keep us around cause we'll help town win please don't lynch us or town is fucked. Not to mention you scream for medic protection, making it seem like you're town. If we're wrong about you being town and you're actually mafia then it's far worse for the town as well. The whole time you've been building up this image of, don't lynch me town, you're going to get dicked cause you need me via subtle threats to town. BC's guide has stated that we need multiple leaders and not to depend on one guy. By trying to consolidate power in a way that's subtle and a bit underhanded, aren't you just making the town depend on you? That's the worse possible thing for town to do, especially since there's a decent amount of newbies who will sheep. What are you trying to pull? I don't know if you're red but I do know that if barundar flips green, you're the first one on my lynch list. If you take the bolded parts, gryf is an easier mislynch than jackal, because of newbies sheeping... I actually agree with that. People don't step up and provide their own analysis. I'm not going to take hours to compose a defense, because I don't feel like I need to. If I had to pick on who was scum between LSB/Barundar, well, who pushed the Annul lynch? LSB. After that, it stalled, and I pushed it again. You know what's even more funny? I tried to engage both of these guys in PM. LSB was non-compliant, and sarcastic. That is what I know of him from his town play, though he is fully capable of misleading people as scum. I'm pretty sure he's town. I'm not going to vote for him, or deter his lynch, though. I won't vote for him because I'm not sure if he's scum, but I won't deter his lynch not only because I'm not sure he isn't, but because I find him to be detrimental to the town as a whole due to focusing too much on mechanics and policy. He also has AtE in relation to him dying in the night, is very arrogant when not justified, and his play is self indulgent. So no, I'm not going to defend him, and I don't care what he flips, but I'm not going to vote him. His AtE is a "i don't want to die" and could also be read as power-role-coaching His arrogance is relating to his scumhunting, when his push he would have done regardless He pushed Annul because he didn't like him, that is null, even if he will lie and say he didn't His defense he will push of this of "I found Annul to be scum, lynched him, etc." doesn't mean that he couldn't have found annul as scum or lynched him as scum, as he would surely know he was scum here. I saw reference to a statement with which he said "when annul flips red", and I'm pretty sure it was read too far into, but it is interesting to note that he said that. List 3 of his list "people to kill when blue" is interesting to say the least. Him having that at all makes me ask why is he so concerned with who is a power role? Could it be because he is sending in the kills? | ||
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On February 27 2011 05:03 chaoser wrote: EBWOP (is that how you abbreviate it? lol): The only reason mafia would pick jackal over BOTH grfy and icemac is if both of them were mafia and they had to start a new one. So if barundar does flip red, we should pay attention to those two icemac has been scumslipping throughout the thread, and Annul voted me with his last bated breath. I don't see how you can categorize me with him, as a mislynch, when he is likely scum I'm surely going to vote him. vote: icemac | ||
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On February 27 2011 10:29 bumatlarge wrote: Well I read into the whole annul thing, and it doesn't seem to be an organized bus. Especially with that little squirming performance, but then dropping it quickly in a manner I'd expect from him as scum. I didn't find much to point out on who was leading the accusations, but it does give me a nice ladelful of confidence for the town. Deconduo is not scum I feel, and mostly everyone behind it is likely not. GMarshal is a bit tricky because he seems a little too apologetic, but I've only played with him as town, and he would tend to get apologetic when he isn't inquisitive. Maybe he's just more confident? Anyway, I think annul is probably the better catches for town to get early. I think town would be better served in pressuring the more reserved since that roster seems fairly slim in this game. I like icemac as a lynch target, and others like him that don't quite cut the bill. They are much easier to tell apart then good townie players that keep their mouths in check but speak when it is right, such as ohn. LSB is silly. Good analysis That slot was so.. inactive.. but I'm glad to see you have your head in the right place. Are you referring to LSB/Barundar as the scum playfighting? Have you analyzed the d1 wagons yet? | ||
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On February 27 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote: Lynch Targets i feel are Barundar and maybe LSB is Barundar provides good evidence pointing the LSB that hes scum. I dont want to vote Barundar yet cause i thought Annul was townie but ended up being Mafia. We have to pressure the inactives but the one i want to participate is astroorion. he is doing absolutely nothing and should ask for a replacement. ##vote: Astroorion do something yo. Lynch targets described as A and B Votes for C Found Annul to be town, whoops he ended up as mafia, information instead of analysis You want someone replaced? How about Beneather who was just nearly modkilled for Diplomacy Kenpachi just earned himself some scumpoints | ||
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How long have you been playing here? Reds usually stick together. Sure, they will jump onto players like Icemac if the voting is heavy, but... teamliquid's voting is rarely heavy. Post I accidentally posted in the voting thread, where I ended up pushing Annul: + Show Spoiler + OK, listen up guys, this is pitiful the amount of people voting, and the size of the wagons. We only have 5 people on the major wagons, how are we going to properly analyze voting with all of these split votes and cases? We need to consolidate to see who swings late, etc. Annul - 6 Gofarman deconduo Ser Aspi LSB astroorion Icemac - 5 why kevonism seraph ICanFlyLow OriginalName People who need to pick one of the above, because their votes are on people with 2 or less: coagulation Jackal58 Barundar Darmousseh chaoser Jbright annul We've got 7-8 hours, from my recollection. Let's do something about it. People on 1-2 person wagons need to get on either Icemac or Annul. Vote: Annul Reasoning: Bandwagonning, and LSB believing he is scum. I also like the wagon more, excluding astroorion who I feel will probably come off of it due to being Annul's scumbuddy. So I took the time to tally ALL the votes, even if I only listed these. The other wagons, such as my own, only had 2 votes on them. Jackal, for one, shouldn't even count. Regardless of alignment, he should be lynched on policy for his tunneling. That is very unhelpful, and gives an excuse not to scumhunt. Onto more important issues, notice how close the voting was here? It was like 5-5, and I voted Annul, making it 6-5. Would mafia bus at that point? Also, look at the Icemac wagon. Many of the players, such as kevconsim, end up actually joining the Annul wagon. Bussing? Perhaps, but I doubt it. With Annul's vote ending up on me, I'm pretty sure they were considering staging a late push on me, but my rekindling of the Annul wagon with this votecount and me accusing him of bandwagonning (WHICH HE LATER ATTACKED ME FOR), came too far late in the day for them to properly stage a counter push. What of these two wagons, Gmarsh? I personally feel they were both on scum, hence why I'm voting Icemac. As you can see from the above post that is spoilered, I am also fine lynching astroorion, but considering it is being used to deter the Barundar-LSB situation, I'm seeing that Kenpachi might be pushing an easy lynch on him. That makes me want to wait on that. I was afraid you would strawman that post when I saw you were dissecting it, and to be honest you only made 1 huge mistake from it other than jumping to the wrong conclusions, where you stated I was trying to make associative tells between you and iceman. How can I do that? I only know my own alignment, so if I was to do that like I did with you and annul/iceman and annul it would really only be relative to someone flipping. Iceman had stated he didn't want to lynch you, annul, myself, or chaoser.. possibly among others... and this post was so scummy Why grilled him on it. I don't know if he answered the case on him, I doubt he did. Why, at the least, wanted to know if he meant 0 or 1 there, as it would change the entire meaning of the post from defense to offense just based upon what he meant. That would be the only association I remember you having with Icemac, but I wasn't saying that, you took my words out of context on accident. If I was pushing you for that, I would have to push myself, as he lumped you and I into the same category. The fact he lumped Annul in there as well, who flipped scum, makes me believe that he actually wasn't for voting any of the people who were generally active who he listed. His post was rather bland and unhelpful, really, even if it was a defense. Saying "i don't want players 1, 2, 3, and 4 lynched" without any evidence as to why you don't is generally useless. I hope that clears up that I was stating you and annul as having associative tells, completely from him towards you. I highlighted that later in the post, about his FoS into a vote of someone else which is a JEEP tell on d1, and you praised my scumhunting of you. Your defense of this was that "I'm wrong", basically. We'll see if I'm wrong. All in all, I hope you're town. On February 27 2011 12:29 Jackal58 wrote: C'mon man. You've been reading every page of this game. What more do you want me to say about Gryf? He's nuts. Since when is being nuts indicative of alignment? Aren't town the ones who have to rely on conspiracy theories moreso, as mafia are comforted in the sanity of knowing who is who? So, if anything, I would access that as a town tell. On February 27 2011 14:19 Coagulation wrote: Anybody see the scum slip? "if im town" .. Yeah, I saw that. I'm voting him. On February 27 2011 14:44 LunarDestiny wrote: Back. Catchup time... So mafia are targeting experienced players like they always do. People are talking about annul's lynch and there is a bus on annul. First of all, I don't think mafia would sacrifice one of their member to make others more safe. So those who voted annul early or greatly accused him aren't likely to be mafia. Those who jump onto the bandwagon or voted late without giving good reasons should be looked at. Now THIS is an accurate assessment of bussing on Teamliquid I completely agree with LunarDestiny. Why else do you think Mr.Wiggles as killed? He was voting Annul. You think they're going to kill someone who wasn't voting annul last night? Maybe, but they surely killed someone who was. It is more likely people tacked their votes on when it was more clear he was going to be the lynch, at like 8-5 or more spread out on the votecount between him and icemac. @Barundar, you quoted a post explaining Annul's vote on me, then you say if me/icemac aren't red he is bussing? I agree that Icemac is probably red, but Annul was voting me, probably having been instructed to do so. | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:36 why wrote: At the moment I am actually thinking that both Barundar and LSB are town and are just at each other's throats. I just didn't find Barundar's arguments all that convincing, as I read through it I was like "sure, but he could also be town with that behavior". But I don't think Barundar would have posted something that long without being town (and he is fitting his town m.o. of long analysis + conspiracy theories). Of course, now that LSB is defending himself, I feel he is more likely mafia because he isn't considering the possibility that Barundar is town and his only defense is that we should lynch Barundar (really?) To me, the best explanation of the annul lynch was simply that icemac and possibly gryff are mafia and it was difficult to lynch anyone else. LSB may be mafia but I think icemac being mafia would open up that case a lot (if icemac is mafia then LSB is likely mafia opportunistically taking credit for busing annul after its clear he is going to die). Icemac has also done nothing today and soft defended annul a lot yesterday. Anyway, for now: ##Unvote ##Vote: Icemac This makes absolutely no sense, and setting up a chainlynch like this on someone who voted Annul OVER Icemac (townie) when annul had 5 votes and icemac had 5 votes surely wouldn't have been done by mafia. EXCUSE me to forcibly double post, but I am setting this one seperate from my main post which is coming, because I for sure want people to read this. Why setting up a chainlynch WHILE VOTING WHO I'M VOTING on me is laughable. I voted annul, in the middle of the lynch, and now LSB and why are pushing me? ha I voted icemac because I felt that scum TRIED TO WAGON ME as opposed to him, which made him look like scum. How can you even put me on that list? I had 2 votes on me when annul had like 10, because of my push on him bandwagonning and unvoting, plus LSB convinced me in PMs to vote him after he said he wouldn't push him regardless, and actually felt he was red. I was sniffing out whether or not it was a bus/whether or not he was blindly pushing like L or Ace would do, regardless of alignment. I'm just glad LSB isn't as good at lynching people as L, Ace, or I... hence why my target got lynched, and not his. | ||
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That was clarified as sarcasm. I'm trying to find where I left off, but I saw this and had to respond. RoL clarified that, did you not see it? On February 27 2011 22:21 Jackal58 wrote: Barundar, I was strongly suspecting you as being scum creating a "false" argument with LSB. A tit for tat that would sew enough doubt in everybody's mind to allow a 3rd candidate to get pushed to the lynch. But after your Homeric epic on LSB I feel that I must dismiss that idea. I don't believe Scum would go that far in a charade. Instead of believing you both to be scum I am fairly certain one of you surely is. However I am not 100% sure which. However I will be after today's lynch. As I've said before this is a numbers game. I am playing them now. Town still has a large numerical advantage. If LSB flips green you are surely scum and will be dealt with tomorrow. UNVOTE: Gryffindor VOTE: LSB Um, LSB proposed the idea first. This is completely his baby. This is a misrepresentation. Is there a reason you aren't really scumhunting behaviorally, and are tunneling on minute details? It is pretty bad play. On February 27 2011 23:04 JBright wrote: A lot of interesting arguments are being thrown around, but none of them are particularly compelling enough to throw any one person to the top. For now, I'll go with the possible scum slip and vote for icemac. ##vote: icemac Now that I've seen icemac flip, I don't really like this post. Sure, I started the wagon for d2 afaik, but jumping on with a weak 3 line post sheeping reasoning is even worse. On February 28 2011 01:55 LSB wrote: So people are voting for me because I'm too good? Wow, good job TL Town! Great job! Appeal to Emotion right here I wish I had been online to see this I would have instantly voted him I shouldn't be saying this, as he's going to kill me in the night now -great On February 28 2011 02:01 LSB wrote: In case you haven't realized, I've already analyzed Annul before, I know how he plays. Secondly, I will say it right now. I put the most comprehensive analysis on Annul, and without my constant badgering and pushing, annul probably wouldn't have died. In addition, you completely ignore my town play. My town play = find mafia and kill. There is a reason why I usually don't live to see day 2. Because mafia take me out early. Your attack is all WIFORM: You are saying "hey what if LSB was scum", well he would play that way. Only problem is it is a complete misrepresentation, my scum play and my town play are completely different, here is a link for how Incog describes it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=21#415 Here, you act like meta can't be changed. I completely disagree with you. Furthermore, when I say TL.net doesn't bus, you aren't cleared of that, since you play on mafiascum with me. On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote: Hey guys, lets just use our lynch on Barundar, once he flips red, I'll be cleared. Ezpz. In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58, + Show Spoiler + Oops, 'scumslip' I said Barundar was read can you REALLY explain to me how him flipping clears you? that makes absolutely no sense. Even if he's red, you could be BUSSING HIM. I mean, your arguments are all about bussing, why is this bus not even more epic? I find that more likely than you having bussed annul. I've been reading you two quibbling as town on town honestly. On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote: EWBOP He just reads too much in individual posts. I know annul red, ezpz. I know Barundar is red. Lynch him and clear me. you would KNOW he was red if YOU were red. This does not clear you. I'm so glad town was above lynching you guys for your tomfoolery. Even with icemac gone... oh well... he wasn't that good of a townie. On February 28 2011 02:08 deconduo wrote: Good analysis, I agree with most of the points. However, I can't vote LSB ahead of someone who has repeatedly lied, changed his opinions from black to white and posts like this: I would also be vary wary of ANYONE posting like this: Why have the two of you completely discounted the possibility of both of them being town? @LSB Thats not much of a defense. I agree with this My only question is this: Why are people from the United Kingdom so against being blackmailed? It was really a hollow threat, anyways, to see how you would react. Tunneling worse than jackal? probably not, but I'm taking you pushing me to be town. I don't really care, though, except I'll have to get rid of you all before LYLO unless you get your heads out of your asses and decide to actually scumhunt the other dozens of people in the game who could be scum. If I'm such a liar, am I lying about how I pushed Annul when it was 5-5 and I made it 6-5 with reasoning of bandwagonning and liking LSB pushing him? Have I voted for LSB? No. Am I lying about that? Maybe! No, but really, I wish I would have voted LSB now that I've seen his AtE. On February 28 2011 02:10 LSB wrote: Go lynch Barundar and once he flips red that will be my defense. OK, so you bussed him. That will be my offense. What is your defense of you knowing he was red before he flipped? There isn't one possible. If you REALLY want to be cleared, you better hope you're a blue or a medic protects you. I'm not going to 'clear' you behaviorally, unless something is very solid. Bussing usually occurs at the start or the end of the wagon, someone like myself or wiggles was a lot more cleared off of annul flipping than you from my perspective. I have seen AGar, who was Judge here (ace definitely will remember his horrible d1 medic claim in the game chezinu ended up catching him in PM land when he was on a team with mikeymoo... funny game, i really recommend that read... i believe it was the 2nd mini run here.), bus someone on d1 or d2... having started the wagon on them... and was generally thought to be cleared for the rest of the game like you are claiming to be. - I'm not going to let that happen again. I'm not voting you, but I have my eye on you for your pushing of a bus on someone else when it was just as likely you did it yourself, even moreso from the looks of you pushing how "clear" you are going to be. On February 28 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote: Yeah, thats enough for me but I'm still lynching gryff tomorrow. ##Unvote ##Vote LSB you can try, but i don't believe you'll have support, as a lot of good players view me as town you are pushing me for very silly reasoning, and a personal feel you played with me as a SK, and you pushed the cell idea in Orgah (supposedly, or so you said in PM, do you dispute that?) You also backed it up here. I killed you as scum, when you were the godfather, in orgah. Sure, you are playing differently here than there, but you had red text creating your play there. You could easily be lurking/tunneling/pushing me actively just to appear like you are scumhunting when you are, actually, in fact, not. On February 28 2011 02:23 Jackal58 wrote: I haven't. But pressure works better than praise. I'm still favoring gryffindor. I agree with this. However, you're voting me for ME pressuring people, really. My 'lie' was a joke relating to how the host supposedly coached a player how to play this game... that just seems like it shouldn't be happening. Deconduo pushing me is because he has a pretty funny PM in my inbox, from my perspective. I don't believe he is scum, though, due to meta, or I would have been pushing him. On February 28 2011 02:36 LSB wrote: I don't like this "I think both of them are town" argument. Barundar is red. Lynch him. Why is he red? On February 28 2011 02:42 Jackal58 wrote: I'm wondering if team scum is ballsy enough to bus two members two days in a row in order to create the illusion that one of you is so freaking town that he can become almost immune to scrutiny. I like this train of thought. Even if LSB lynched Barundar, who flipped red, he wouldn't be 'clear' I wouldn't be voting him right away, but I wouldn't be anyways. On February 28 2011 02:44 LSB wrote: Idc if you think I'm scum as long as you kill Barundar. And then I'll kill another scum for you day three. We cool? you gonna suicide? d3 is late for a suicide On February 28 2011 02:48 why wrote: @LSB What exactly is your argument again? As far as I can tell it is "he forced analysis on Jackal to shift the lynch from annul" and now "Barundar's case on me isn't that good". You seem awful sure for that to be your evidence. Barundar seems to be playing his pretty usual town self, and the conspiracy theory is totally town from him (see XXXV Barundar believes RoL bussed annul). I have a question: If Barundar is red, then why did he do analysis on Jackal rather than on icemac or gryff yesterday? Both of them had more heat on them and would have been an easier lynch than starting something on jackal. Barundar and I scumhunted through PM, whereas LSB wouldn't really reply to me much. LSB actually let there be a couple hour gap before I PMed him again, badgering him about his feelings on annul willingness to sacrifice self is much more townie you have pretty much said you would be pushing a different person d3... i view his as more town than yours. On February 28 2011 02:51 LSB wrote: He was the one who tried to redirect the lynch from annul, and this is shown as he forced analysis on Jackal. I've already explained why gryff is a harder lynch. As for iceman, well... it would be interesting if iceman was red. That could explain why annul was reluctant to lynch him. You explained this, but you also listed me on tier 3 doesn't make sense to me. Also, why were you even thinking that way, in terms of who would be power role sniped? It only makes sense for mafia to think that way. Well, for the most part. I'm sure you can imagine other reasons, as can I, but those are not proper to talk about! On February 28 2011 03:20 kevconsim wrote: I suggest we do this or lynch Icemac. We can move forward by 1) lynching Barundar 2) lynching LSB 3) lynching Icemac Those are the only viable ways of moving forward i can see. I suggest we lynch Barundar today and if he turns out to be town we lynch LSB If you think they are both town then we should lynch Icemac Anyways ##VOTE Barundar I view this as town. Couple this with the fact he shifted onto Annul at a good time for town to do so, and I'm asking for medic protection for kev. Protect on him would be good... This post is likely town. On February 28 2011 03:42 chaoser wrote: Think he's talk about you kev. Also, LSB, shame on you. Your whole defense has been lynch him first! he's mafia! I'm not! when he flips red you'll see how I'm green. You claim all he's doing is WIFOM but you're doing the same by linking to old games. We can't trust "play style" analysis 100% since smart players will obviously change it up. Or not change it up. That's WIFOM too. Respond to his individual points please, until you do my vote will be on you. He was willing to write a fucking essay; if he was mafia trying that hard, and you're really town, you would try just as hard. So far you're not and so you scumminess is getting higher for me. How is kev "on life support"? he was on the annul wagon. He obviously is good enough to pick out the red wagons, which is good enough for me. On February 28 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote: Why does everyone ignore me... you appear to be actively lurking, and tunneling, from my perspective of course it's easy for me to pick up on this, as it's me you're tunneling on. On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote: There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. I agree with this information, but this being information instead of analysis, or IIoA, still makes it lack scumhunting. Had you said you were pushing him, actually, for a different reason, this would have made you look good to me. However, you didn't. On February 28 2011 04:32 LSB wrote: Of course annul's lynch was a bus at the end. I even agree to that. The reason why it was a bus was because I shot down all alternatives, and so the mafia couldn't bus anyone. You are making the flawed assumption that I was just another mafia on the bus. You are trying to figure out my actions based off what others were doing. That's a flawed form of reasoning. In addition, seriously, LSB bussing Annul? That sounds dumb. Think of it again. If it was DocH bussing LSB that sounds reasonable, but LSB bussing Annul is impossible. Considering I've been shot night one of every single game where I didn't yell out for medic protection, me yelling for medic protection is perfectly reasonable What do you mean? I posted lots of good analysis. Do I seriously need to link them for you? I'm sure your mafia. Why is to scummy to be sure that your mafia? Are you saying that stating my beliefs is a bad thing? My case on you is based on your forced analysis which is evident through your contradictions and flawed reasoning. Boom I've had more than 5 extensive post arguing my case and other things So if you want to make this a bottle collected game of "see who has lots of good posts", I win. You shot down all alternatives? Icemac, who is now confirmed to be a townie (very surprising to me), was at 5 votes the same time annul was... when I started pushing annul. you hardly shot down all alternatives. @Cubedin, bottom of page 50 I like your analysis of OriginalName's post On February 28 2011 05:49 GMarshal wrote: I looked through and saw there weren't any great analysis out on you icemac, so for your convenience I decided to write one! no need to thank me! ok I'm only going to take the relevant posts as people seem to dislike my posts where I look at every post (as usual my commentary in bold) + Show Spoiler + Seems like shit's hitting the wall pretty hard without any real leads so far. Since its too early, why not just get a semi-active who is probably smart enough to keep their heads in the game but not smart enough to post big as a mafia. I guess this is ironic coming from me seeing as how I've just got up to date & posting. this is an interesting point considering the fact that the people in suspicion at the time were me, gryff, annul and chaoser, if icemac flips red then we should scrutinize chaoser and gryffindor (and me actually) I'm not really sure of what to make of this post one way or another, seems just like a general town post + Show Spoiler + Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. here is a post I take issue with, not because it goes against my plan, but because it provides no reasons for it, it just labels it as bad play. I have no problem with discussion, its when there is no reasoning behind it that I start to suspect people. Also its rather aggressive play for a player who just got here (not that that's a bad thing), but it is mimicking annul's "arguments" + Show Spoiler + Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis. and here is a damning post, anyone who argues against analysis gets an automatic scum point in my book, and the rebuff saying it was pulled out of my ass in no way actually addresses any issues he may have with the analysis itself, +2 scum points + Show Spoiler + (~snip, gryffs mention of a possible link between me and annul) I doubt mafia is this stupid. Thats an interesting post actually, notice how this isn't constructive at all? I'm seeing a pattern here of not actually contributing and just dismissing things in general, now I know I'm town but if I were scum it could easily be a slip on annuls part, never dismiss a possible scum slip +1 scum point + Show Spoiler + I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards. you were asked to clarify if you meant 1, if you did then this is a null contribution, as that was where the town was tending anyway and you failed to provide any reason why any of us was a compelling choice at all, +1 contentless posting! + Show Spoiler + (~snip me calling him out on the above posts) Alright, let's just say you are being productive, what conclusions are you actually arriving at? its a good question but he fails to substantiate his arguments, I think I call him out on dodging my questions later + Show Spoiler + (~snip, list of inactives by kita) Where are these people? thats not a contribution, at least put a vote on them to pressure them ,+1 meaningless posting + Show Spoiler + (~snip why's arguments against icemac) So by responding to posts, I'm up for lynch? I've said a lot: the current way we're analyzing data isn't optimal. I don't think we should be you using scant data on Day 1 such as you, yourself, are doing. The reason I'm not listing any names other than the inactives is because I have no reasoning against anyone. I don't think I'm forcing myself at all; instead, I'm making meaningful posts on how town should act on Day 1 which is lynching inactives and semi-actives trying to stay in the covers. Ok, so lets see that actual substance of your defense, basicly it is "I dont like analysis day 1" and "I dunno who to vote for" and you make a pretty basic mistake, you say town should go for lurkers day 1, which is a mistake, town should pressure lurkers day 1 and only lynch them if there is no better alternative, becuase it is easy for mafia to move votes onto a town inactive, rather than a scum lurker, still an easy mistake to make + Show Spoiler + (~snip do not claim message) seriously not a real contribution, but people have been doing this all game long (reinforcing the don't claim message) + Show Spoiler + What I mean is that we shouldn't lynch any actives because they're at least contributing. We'll be able to see their alignment or slipups in the future via posts/ pms/ hit patterns/ lynch patterns/ etc. If it's really that important, then I say ICanFlyLow for not talking at all. First person in the list I found that wasn't talking at all. ##Vote: ICanFlyLow so after deciding that my plan is scummy and 1 of gryffindor annul GMarshal or chaoser should be lynched you switch to an inactive? I already explained why voting for inactives to make them post is good, but after agroing on me so hard this seems like an abrupt change + Show Spoiler + (~snip ON making a FoS on him) How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road. Right now I'm pretty convinced you're either a baddie or straight up mafia. this is an OMGUS attack without the actual vote, since ON accused him he must be scum, this is bad play from icemac + Show Spoiler + Also, I'm not jumping into this Jackal58 bandwagon because I'm not bad. Lynch me if you will. this actualy merits a townie point, refusing to jump on an easy bandwagon to take votes and suspicion off himself + Show Spoiler + (~snip, Ser Aspi posts an accusation at wiggles) I like. Also, I hate how me and annul are cast with 100% of the blame for just being active holy shit. I think Ser Aspi is got something here. Trying to jump on an easy bandwagon or just easily persuaded? hard to tell, also you weren't taking the blame for being active, but rather for being aggressive without arguments. + Show Spoiler + What do you mean by a huge dive. I changed my vote from an afk-player who just stopped going afk to some major bandwagon scum. Playing it by ear. so you admit that you are essentially sheeping, that is terrible town play (see minimafia VII for an example of why), if you had at least said it was for reason 1,2 and 3 then it would have been but that just points to either bad play or something more sinister +.5 scum points + Show Spoiler + Fair analysis. I just want to ask about the lynches. Haven't played with TL before How significant are Darmousseh, Kitaman27, Mr. Wiggles as players? Are the known for being good players, etc. ? Also, is there any of their caliber that "should be dead" but isn't? I'm okay with ##Vote Barundar for now. stop sheeping , or if you are going to at least point out which points swayed you the most , ok LSB posted a good analysis but think critically about it, I will admit you weren't the only one swayed by it, so I'll give you a pass on that one. Also good questions, I'm glad you are thinking/asking them + Show Spoiler + Oh boy, if ohn is mafia and i'm town, i'm going to quote the hell out of this afterwards. it could be a slip, but we all make mistakes, Im willing to give him a pass Verdict: despite some mistakes and somewhat new play I don't think he is scum (last person I said that about was annul, so take it with a grain of salt), so for now I'm going to put him under sheeping town really though you need to start providing reasons for your posts. How did you know he was going to flip green? You gave him numerous "scum points", then conclude he is green? give me a break. On February 28 2011 05:57 icemac wrote: Oh boy here we go again with the over-analysis. Why so compelled to "defend" me? On February 28 2011 06:00 icemac wrote: I just think you're shady. Even icemac picks up on it, Gmarshal. On February 28 2011 06:43 LSB wrote: He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. First off, I wasn't in Haunted Mafia. If I was, though, and I claimed to have a DT claim to me, I'm sure I could pull up said-PM On February 28 2011 07:07 chaoser wrote: He ask lied about his PMs with deconduo No, I really didn't. Deconduo was talking about how he proposed the cell idea from Orgah, where he was scum, and he also supported said idea here, making it look like he was scum. How is that lying? On February 28 2011 07:45 chaoser wrote: AHHHHHHHHHHH GAH! fuck it, i'm going to vote for the guy i've been suspicious of instead of this LSB/Barundar bullcrap vote: icemac first gmarshal putting FoS on me, then bandwagonning with me, then you combine that with you having a quicktime with him.. which icemac outted of all people... and your obviously forced reaction here AS YOU DEFENDED ME IN THE QUICKTIME. That open contradiction accrues scumpoints from me. On February 28 2011 07:50 LSB wrote: Voting Icemac because I want to move the lynch off of just 4 people. Also because Annul was reluctant to move the lynch onto Icemac Ohhh, so you're bandwagonning with me now, too? Great. I wish I had been around to see this. On February 28 2011 08:39 Coagulation wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Icemac Why did you vote Icemac here? On February 28 2011 09:04 Jackal58 wrote: Well I suppose there is no such thing as a policy vote. Fair enough. ##unvote ##vote Icemac He's been doing post and ghost similar to divinek in XXXVI. And after a day of LSB and Barundar declaring No You! No You! I will take a dim view of people telling me I tunnel. You definitely tunnel. Foolishness lurks until D2 as mafia, yeah I read a game he did this as the Godfather On February 28 2011 10:55 Kenpachi wrote: It's the foolishness way. Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting killed by scum and spring and attack when you least expect it Glad to see you're defending this. You know he does this as scum, too, right? On February 28 2011 11:01 Jackal58 wrote: I believe it's my first game with him. How does he play when he's scum? Do nothing for a long time to avoid getting lynched? Honest question. This looks like a diversion off of icemak. Except everybody is jumping on board. I'm confused. I don't like being confused. Yes. On February 28 2011 11:34 Coagulation wrote: neither of them are mafia. at this point i would say best bet would be to lynch jbright how do you know? On February 28 2011 11:35 Coagulation wrote: he was active somewhat in orgah mafia hes completely inactive here Unvote ##vote jbright I dislike this, considering Icemac had just voted himself, and you voted him 30 minutes before... or at least said in the thread u were going to... i'll have to look to see if you actually did, though i'm like 99% sure you did based upon you posting vote:icemac in the thread.. it just looks like you're happy he accrued 1 more vote, so you're fine to take yours off as your buddy LD isn't going to be lynched. On February 28 2011 11:57 Coagulation wrote: kenpachi vote jbright scum coaching scum? check. On February 28 2011 12:01 Coagulation wrote: shit id rather lynch icemac than LD I'd say you would. On February 28 2011 12:11 Coagulation wrote: foolishness your case against LD was pretty week. hes normally an active poster and not acting like that in this game but that is a big can of wifom. HIS CASE ON HIM WAS WEAK? you're joking, right? We are lynching LD tomorrow I believe Foolishness wasn't hit because they felt he would be medic protected... we shall see if this was the case eventually, like d3 probably, if he isn't killed or hasn't caught us a red. I'm fairly certain that foolishness or I will be hit tonight I'd like to reiterate that medics should consider protecting kevconsim for he is pretty clearly townie | ||
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