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so, if i were hypothetically to be told i was mafia, and im not allowed to PM, how do i get in contact with other mafia members? or are we not supposed to plan? In death factory it looked like the mafia had an irc channel they were chatting in. | ||
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seems like that makes it too easy for town eh? | ||
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Part 2 posting etiquette. All posts must be rhymed Shakespearian sonnets, if your player number is even, and in cipher with a shift equal to your PM number (explained below) if your player number is odd. Everyone must talk like a pirate if your PM number is even and like a communist if its odd, these rules are inverted on odd numbered days, except day 7 where everyone must post like a possessed cultist. All voting must be accompanied by a personal attack on a player you are not voting for, unless your player number is within + or – the square root of his, in which case you must buddy up to him. The votes must be in Red Bolded size 34 font. All posts must include one funny picture or amusing youtube video, if the picture is deemed not funny by 3 players then you are in violation of this rule and will be lynched on any day that is a multiple of 3. Failure to comply will lead to your lynch (on a nonprime day). This is such a bourgeois thing to say... | ||
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i think he is the 'im not the snitch snather' guy | ||
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Seems like a safe way to ensure that a mafia doesn't get elected. | ||
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On March 24 2011 08:04 Kavdragon wrote: -_- Anyone who doesn't keep up the level of activity that they have shown pre-game will receive my wrath. Also, whoever said that this wouldn't reach the amount of pre-game spam as RoL's game? I'm pretty sure this just blew that record out of office. I will announce my possible campaign upon receiving my role PM. I SENSE AN EDIT! SCUMTELL SCUMTELL SCUMTELL! And I'm on spring break at the moment, but I go back to school on monday so I anticipate my activity dropping off then. So if the game lasts that long, thats why I'm not posting as much. | ||
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On March 24 2011 08:19 kitaman27 wrote: Pssh, that's the oldest excuse in the book. Even older than "A triceratops ate my keyboard"? | ||
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Hey actually, any of you want to play some sc2 while we wait? i'll log in now. I'm tnkted.466. | ||
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On March 24 2011 10:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you mean "hacking" IRCs and Quicktopics? he means getting into the irc without the mafia knowing, and easedropping on their conversation. I've done it before, although not for this ste; once you're in and they're talking and you don't realize it, you can just sit back and twiddle your thumbs until victory. Peace of cake! | ||
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Anyway, i'd like to reiterate my plan i said before: Basically, we elect me and i promise to let the first lynch be a vote. That way, if I'm secretly scum or something I don't get a free kill, and we won't accidently elect somebody who IS scum. Or we can elect somebody else. Its not a big deal. I promise if elected to keep my nose clean though! | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:08 ilovejonn wrote: If you were to be elected a mayor, who would you put your vote on and how would you come about it? Or are you not voting and just letting others vote and you will only be deciding on the lynch based on votes? I'd decide the lynch based purely on votes. If I don't do that, you will know immediately that I am scum. | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:13 ilovejonn wrote: That didn't answer my question. I'm asking if you will be counting yourself as 1 vote or not, and if you are, who will you be voting? Lurkers? Someone you think is scum? Inactives? Spammers? Oh, sorry. I won't count my own vote at all! | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:21 Jackal58 wrote: I don't defend scum. I don't get every vote wrong. I don't like banana puppies. Only a mafia mayor will endorse a day 1 lynch. Day 1 is a crapshoot. Day 1 is controlled by scum. A mayor that abdicates his power of lynch on day 1 to a vote is a scum mayor. He knows town can't find his ass with both hands on day 1. He knows scum is strongest on day 1 He knows a vote will be wrong. A vote for me is a vote for town. I'm not promising you guys a bandwagon vote. I'm promising you guys I will vote for who I think is scum. I also promise I can listen to all arguments for and against everybody and will accept or reject what I believe to be right or wrong. A mayor that promises to lynch according to votes is scum. You're awful quick to accuse me of being scum based on... what exactly? I'm just a townie, minding my own business. And all three of your reasons are not good reasons. They are fake reasons/assertions. The third one is a joke. The first two are assertions which you have certainly not demonstrated. To me, at least. I don't know if you have a history in this game, but unless you are the van helsing of scum hunting I don't believe you have the cajones to talk like that. I'm not saying you're scum, just that you aren't playing like a town at the moment. If you think there is something wrong with my plan, explain what that is and I will happily step down. Now, just so that nobody thinks i'm not really running, here are my three reasons: 1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields! 2. I'm smart. I'm a psych minor in college atm, and while that doesn't exactly make me Freud it does give me a little bit of an edge over your average TLer with an engineering degree. 3. I don't forget easily. I don't forget what people have said in the past which will come in handy in late game situations. If I was one of the last few guys left I would dedicate myself to a indepth study of every remaining player, and would then write up an exhaustive analysis on their play. So... that's my platform I guess. Mayor seems like a scary, important job, but I'm willing to step up and do it! | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote: His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all. 1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields! Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. | ||
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Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school. Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad. | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:47 Jackal58 wrote: Pahlease bitch. I'm married. No need to get personal. Its cool, I was just responding to your keg comment. FRIENDS??? | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:55 bumatlarge wrote: Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum. The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this. 1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person. 2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me. On March 24 2011 11:57 chaoser wrote: Also, something I'd like to point out We got a 2 in 6 chance of giving mayor to either black or red if we vote for someone in the item game while it's 16 to 8 if we vote for someone not in the game that a townie gets the mayor role (exclude them from the count so 20 town->16, 6->5 mafia, 4->3 black so that's 16:8) These are both extremely good points. I absolutely agree with the item game thing. One caveat about the cop thing: how do we know that person is really a cop and not a mafia pretending to be a cop? are cops told who the other cops are? | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:00 annul wrote: if you are married, then as he said, he gets laid waaaaaay more often than you. well, i'm single, so its not like I go to bed with a girl every night like he does. I just get laid with more variety, i guess. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:03 Coagulation wrote: all the more reason to vote for jackal. he already confirmed himself town. remember i know my shit when it comes to day 1 claims to town. jackal is town wait, what? when did he confirm himself town? | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote: Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it. That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence. | ||
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Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet. The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone. On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:17 bumatlarge wrote: I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police. actually, since each townie has a power, i think blue roles physically mean that they are the only blues in the game. i could be wrong i suppose. i was going by the color chart on page 1 anyway. | ||
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I am a SAFE VOTE. If i am elected the first round will be an election just like every other round. Some of the other candidates' plans are risky. mine is not, at all. That's my position. Take it or leave it. This is my last campaign message, other than answering questions. the rest of my time will be spend analyzing other people's stuff. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:30 GMarshal wrote: what? Where the HELL are you getting that they are bulletproof? they are not SK's they are a third party faction, think of them as scum team two if thats better. 4 bullet proof people would be ridiculous Black Third Party- This is the hidden faction. Backed They all are bulletproof so they don’t die so easily | ||
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I don't trust jackal quite yet TBH. His pitches so far have been relying pretty heavily on the strength of his reputation in previous games, which doesn't strike me as something a true townie would do. GM just dropped out. Annul had some good points about the item game, regarding mafia strategy, which leads me to believe he might be townish. However, he is IN the item game, which makes me nervous; while the statistics are equal that somebody from the item game and somebody from the general player pool are mafia, the likelihood of electing a mafia or black is much more dangerous there, given their three lives and use of items. I want to hear more from kav. I haven't read much of his contributions yet, but since i've spent like fifteen minutes writing this so far (damn you television!) i'm sure he'll have some stuff for me to read in a minute. Chaoser seems like a solid candidate. He has felt town to me all game, with solid contributions, but his plan for his lynch seems like it is precicely what a mafia would say; they're willing to go with the town (ie, let the other mafia members make a big fuss about who to kill), while also maintaining his ability to kill anyone he wants (if the mafia members can't convince people). If we elect chaoser, i'll be watching very closely to see who pushes for who to be lynched. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:57 Coagulation wrote: nm i didnt see scumatlarge's post. well between the two of them we got good candidates. don't you mean 'bumatlarge'? | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:01 chaoser wrote: Yeah I realized compromising isn't a good idea at all which is why I wrote: I will follow town's vote. so.... we have precisely the same platform then? lol. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote: I guess, but Kav also is onboard with the letting town vote thing too so it's pretty much voting v. no voting. At this point I want to see how this bum/blue situation plays out. I'm going to think long and hard about if it has a big flaw in it or not. Same for me... i'm considering dropping out because my campaign has no momentum (lol) and because i want to see how this blue thing plays out. I am curious to see what bum's response to annuls accusation is. | ||
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is 'cop' a role, or an alignment? | ||
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I'm going to officially withdraw my candidacy. Vote bum! | ||
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Does mafia get a kill tonight? And jackal, ATM your base of support for your candidacy consists of you and Coag, and Coag's numerous posts supporting you (included in the spoiler below) make me not want to vote for you. That could mean that you are both mafia, trying to get you elected, or it could mean that Coag is mafia and is trying to get newbie townies (like myself) to vote for you based purely on the strength of your reputation. This would mean that mafia wants you to be elected mayor, or that they don't want us to elect you. Either way, you're more dangerous to town than bum is. IMO, voting on reputation is a bad idea. We have no evidence that you are not mafia this game; you haven't contributed much other than trying to pick apart other people's plans/candidacies, and coag's support for you is suspicious. Its safer to vote for the guy with the best plan that has acted most townlike. Bum has, and besides, now that he's claimed we're kind of obligated to protect him, otherwise mafia will try to kill him night 0, assuming that they get a kill. Coags posts: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 11:49 Coagulation wrote: im gonna vote for jackal based on him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town. On March 24 2011 11:50 Coagulation wrote: hes also manages to nail scum about 75% of the time he pushes a lynch on someone. On March 24 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote: you can ask around i am pretty damn good at getting 100% town reads day 1 and banking big money on it and coming out on top. On March 24 2011 12:56 Coagulation wrote: jackal has a pretty damn fine track record of pushing to lynch scum. and as for transparency i dont think you will find anyone more straightforward than him. its also worth mentioning again we have much better odds of landing a town mayor if we elect from the item game to top that off i have a town read on him. and another thing needed to be taken into consideration is the item game players have a PM Circle to work with. This is pretty much as good as it gets. Imo Coag is an easy lynch night one. | ||
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woop! my bad. The question remains though: what happens night 0? I have a stinking feeling that something bad is going to happen to bum for revealing this early... | ||
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nah, the poll. to the people who voted no: why? | ||
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There are 6 votes no, and 6 scum. COINCIDENCE?! | ||
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gonna wait to analyze that until everyone votes i guess. XD | ||
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If not: You can still scumhunt afterwards, you just don't get to pick the first lynch. Thats the only difference. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:14 annul wrote: rofl 1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. 2. what abilities? nobody has any abilities yet. 3. [citation needed] I think he was talking about your natural abilities as a player, not abilities as a townie or whatever. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok so I decided to come back and read the thread (procrastination ftw :D) and I'm getting a little disturbed by the opposition to Bum. It's quite simple really; if there's no counter claim than thats that and I feel like enough time has passed that any reasonable blue team would have cc'd by now (unless of course they are waiting for their roles as someone already said). The people who are fighting against Bum are starting to sound scummy with their incessent "What ifs." People, THERE HAS BEEN NO CC. There are now roles, there is no way for a red or black to have a power that lets them get away with this. We've yelled for a CC long enough and it hasn't come. Let's all agree to elect Bum and start discussing lynch targets. Ok no first let's pick a back up for Bum in case someone claims. I'm content with Kav at this point, not sure what everyone else thinks. Moral of my story is this. Let's just drop the Bum discussion, he's 99% confirmed and it's of little use discussing him further unless we get a claim, right now we're just going in circles. To cover our asses we should all pick a secondary candidate (mine will be Kav) and then get on with the lynch discussion. What? | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:37 Tackster wrote: tnkted am i misunderstanding or are you claiming you know your role (as opposed to alignment)? What are you talking about? I posted a quote where i replied to somebody who claimed to know their role. I don't know what my role is yet, I'm just an townie, minding my own business. | ||
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He could be black, i suppose. | ||
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Everyone else: I think we've decided on bum. Next on the agenda is lynching. Lets talk about that. | ||
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I'm veging hardcore right now | ||
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(ninja kitten'd me there, tack) | ||
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On March 25 2011 11:02 GMarshal wrote: cool, are we done posting pics of kittens? @Tackster if you had a confirmed red and a confirmed black which would you lynch first and why? @tnkted what two other players would you like to have with you if you were to go to lylo? (yes I *will* persist in asking random questions unless the discussion is going somewhere) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8iQjWsbvQdY/TCSnhq3FDBI/AAAAAAAAAIw/eF_cIKq-Y_Q/s1600/kitty-cat-kitten-cute-picture-photo-playing-blue-eyes-yarn.jpg Now we are! Are you asking who I would lynch? Or what players I would want as the other townie? I would have either OriginalName and Mr. Wiggles with me, because Wiggles seems very reasonable and levelheaded, and OriginalName appears to have some sense of the clandesine about him. I'd rely on Wiggles to think clearly and ON to pull some crazy analysis out of his hat. Thats a difficult question to answer though. :/ | ||
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I think they'll be better later, or they'll be amazing when all of them are together. I think if all of the items are combined they create SUPERITEM | ||
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On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote: While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game. I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote: /in if you are even still letting people in? It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote: Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote: Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose. As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum. As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?) Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum. So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote: wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me ((((( Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS | ||
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On March 26 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2011 23:32 tnkted wrote: This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS So since he's not you he's scum? Since hes not acting like I would (as a new player) hes either blue or scum, and since hes not blue... How about you tell me what you think new players act like in their first game when they're green? you've probably seen your share of new players. How do they act? Lemonwalruses behavior this game is competely nonsensical to me, and if he was green i'd be the other person in this game that understands his position. | ||
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Although, I suppose that its difficult to analyze noobies because they tend to act in unpredictable ways (as ziphh points out). Ok, I'll retract my accusation. But lemonwalrus... I'm watching you. I AM THE EGGMAN | ||
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Well, thanks for the complement, but unless i created this smurf account in september and JUST got access to the mafia forum, its pretty likely that I'm not a smurf. | ||
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@coag: how did you come to the conclusions on that list? @ lemonwalrus: i didn't have a problem with posting kittens and things myself, if you remember. My suspicions were based on the fact that you hadn't contributed anything meaningful analyitically to the town yet. | ||
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I'm really hesitant to use it right now though, because its kind of a one-and-done sort of trap that relies on people be unaware of it before its sprung. Its been laid carefully however. I'm just not certain that day 1 is the time to use it. Lets give it some time, and if nobody can come up with a confirmed (or nearly unanimous confirm) i'll reveal it later. | ||
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On March 26 2011 09:48 Insanious wrote: Although, we need to get off that point... the point I was trying to make, that others pointed out... is that BrownBear is NORMALLY very active in a mafia game. He puts out oppinions, and tries to scum hunt. In THIS game, he is NOT talkative, and is NOT scum hunting.... he has what, 2 posts so far. BrownBear is playing drastically different then a normal game, and as such I am calling SCUM. Since I have only played with him when he is town, and when I played with him he talked a lot. In this game, he isn't talking, therefore not playing the same as town, therefore not town. He is black or red. or blue? Perhaps? And again, I'm just waiting for bum to say that he has a list of who he'd like confirmed handy (don't post it yet bum!) before I reveal what my plan is. | ||
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Ok heres the plan: In several of my posts so far in this thread I have laid carefully laid clues that only a townie would understand. These clues are directly related to a specific thing that all townies share but no blue, blacks or reds share: Your Role alignment PM. If you are a townie and you've been reading my posts, its pretty obvious that I am also a townie because I've been quoting words and phrases from that alignment PM. I want you to quote a post where I do so. The words and phrases are not hard to see, they aren't words like 'the.' If you're green, you'll be able to find something. If you aren't... well... Also... ANYBODY THAT GIVES ANY HINTS OR POSTS ANY SPOILERS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SCUM IMMEDIATELY ... although i anticipate scum having a very difficult time figuring it out unless somebody tells somebody in your PM circle. If Jackal can come up with one example in my posts, then we can confirm him as town and will know that his plan is legit. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:29 tnkted wrote: coag, dont post anything until jackal responds to it. i want to see what he finds first. That applied to you too annul. FACEPALM Oh well. Jackal, there are a few more. see if you can find one. | ||
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But before you answer that I want to know if jackal can find one. There are several. And yeah, annul is clear. | ||
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And thanks! when i thought this plan up i just giggled to myself for like twenty minutes. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:47 Insanious wrote: You do realize Coag responded to your post with his own bread crumb right... :/ *sigh* Why you had to reveal this I'll never know. PMs are different depending on whether LSB or Kita sent you the PM. So, if a certain one of them (not saying who) PM'd jackal he'd be able to find evidence of that one in my posts, but he wouldn't find the other. I was going to reveal that after he admitted he couldn't find anything. But now we have people confirmed who have both pms! Jackal, since you profess to be green, please point out an example in my history, or post a breadcrum of your own. | ||
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Just so you don't have to comb through: coag, annul, and insanious are all confirmed green. | ||
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But you're right. The mods could have concievably written a different pm for each individual person, but I doubt it; it would save so much time to just copy paste. | ||
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Can you highlight where in the post I use the word/phrase/breadcrumb? and the sit tight comment was from several hours ago before you came out with your plan, which triggered mine. | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:36 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah comparing PMs seems like a dishonest way to trick mafia. Thats not really how I want to win. If LSB is allowing breadcrumbs to how your PMs are worded or words in them, then I think he knows this is going to fuck up your plan. In fact, I'm sure of it. If determining mafia was as easy as that I would not be playing the game. Um, I don't think I'm voting you for mayor anymore. I talked with LSB about this plan BEFORE I POSTED IT and he didn't have a problem with it at all. Kita did at first, but he talked to LSB and they gave me the go ahead. This plan wouldn't work at all if it wasn't for the item game, where we can be certain that there aren't any blues. So its not unfair at all IMO; its a tactical play that can only work in a certain place. LSB said it himself. Anything goes in this game, its insane mafia. And I want a mayor who wants to win, one who is willing to take any advantage he/she can get. But since you're likely to be elected anyway, I hope this little stunt helped you in some small way. If it helps at all, I consider annul, coag, lemonwalrus, and insanious all to be clean because of this plan, but I might be biased because I came up with it. | ||
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On March 26 2011 23:53 deconduo wrote: Also note this: Tack got the townie PM, Jackal didn't. Good enough for me. darmousseh and Jackal are scum. Jackal is probably red, Darm is black. | ||
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and while we're doing this, #elect: Annul, not because I think he'll be a particularly good player as mayor but purely as an article of protest against bum. If bum looks like hes about to lose at the 11th hour I'll switch my vote. | ||
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On March 27 2011 00:39 Tackster wrote: @tnkted If you think Jackal and darmo are scum why are you voting darmo first? Surely you think Jackal is more scum and also we don't want to split the vote so shouldn't you vote jackal? Also you picked the mayor no one likes as mayor instead of the person we're calling clear... tnkted what's going on? *sigh* go read my posts dude. I explain pretty clearly why I'm doing what I'm doing. Bum didn't want to use my plan on moral grounds, so I called him out as a bad choice for mayor (we should use every advantage we have imo, this is insane mafia). I'm voting darm because I think jackal is mafia, and I'd rather kill the bulletproof guy and hope that some vig in the crowd takes a potshot at jackal. People have said it a million times, its better to lynch blacks than reds, because blacks can't get picked off by reds. Let the blacks kill the reds at night, while we kill the blacks in the day. | ||
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On March 27 2011 01:43 Jackal58 wrote: Actually your inability to recognize an alignment PM makes me think you're red or black. Sorry I don't remember your name and when I'm making a post referring to you I'm typing what comes to mind. I'm not stopping to go look for the correct spelling. I'll eventually get it right but so far everybody knows who I'm talking about. Calling me scum because you had me looking for your stupid clues from my role PM is a bit condescending too. If you meant alignment PM you should have said alignment PM not Role alignment. And then use that to call me scum. Pffftttt. Maybe you should inform everybody you pooched your post. Why would me asking for your role PM make any sense? I wouldn't have recieved your role PM. If I mistyped that, I'm sorry, but nobody else seemed to have any difficulty understanding what I meant. | ||
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That obviously leaves us with a dilemma between jack and tack (lol). As an intellectual exersise, lets pretend that they are both mafia and examine their play from the mafias point of view: Jack is acting like a deeply stupid mafia. He is drawing attention to himself, throwing wild accusations, and making very anti-town statements. If he was drawing attention to himself after he gained a history of pro-town statements it'd be different, but... Tack is acting like a very smart mafia. When he smelled danger, he immediately took to the thread and started to defend himself with well reasoned arguements and reasonable appeals for support and mercy. What is more likely? That jackal is very stupid or that tack is very smart? | ||
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I very specifically have not drawn any conclusions on whether you or jackal is scum. I think that darm needs to die the most atm. I think if jackal was scum hed try to get you killed because you have the weakest reputation out of the people in the IG. However, he could be accusing you because you have acted the scummiest in the tiny social circle of the IG, which I don't know anything about. I'm sure that theres going to be a very elaborate system of checks and counterchecks and roleblocking going on tonight with you and jackal if we lynch darm, so I think we should wait until that happens before we deal with you. Darm needs to die. We can deal with the tack vs jack scenario tomorrow. | ||
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So Tack Jack and Darm are all unconfirmed breadcrumbwise. | ||
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On March 27 2011 07:30 Jackal58 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8452176 Already covered that. Well, i can see why you were confused, but I said role alignment pm. I mistyped. Regardless, three people had already posted the clues by the time you got back on, so my chance to confirm you was wasted. :/ In return, however, we got coag and annul and lemon confirmed, and it appears from allayall's internal discussions that you guys concur on that front, so I guess thats one good thing that happened from this plan. | ||
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Appealing to me is stupid though, because I'm just a townie and Bum already said he doesn't want anything to do with my plan. :/ | ||
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Confirmed Town (due to the alignment pm breadcrumbing): Annul Coag tnkted Probably town: insanious (hes the one that actually publically confirmed coag's breadcrumb, IDK why coag wants to kill him) Lemonwalrus (found a cleverly hidden clue of mine that only a townie would get, but enough people had posted on my clues so he could just be very clever. Unlikely however. I am 85% sure he is town) Bumatlarge (well, hes probably blue. But I'm not entirely happy with how hes playing the game atm. Dont want to go more into this right now.) Chaoser (constant legitimate analysis and effort to help town. No independent proof other than personal analysis) GMarshal (same as chaoser, although slightly less so because so many of his posts have been virtually the same: encouraging the lurkers to post more or he will accuse them of being scum, which he hasn't done yet but hey its early) Mr. Wiggles (same as chaoser, although wiggles is more fun to say) Cube (same as chaoser although cube is less fun to say) On the fence: Jackal & Tackster (I don't know what to think about these two. I'm almost certain that one of them is the red, but I really don't want to lynch the wrong player because both seem like they would be useful later) Meapak_Ziphh (I thought he had some blue vibes at first but now I think he might be scum. He isn't a primary target right now however, we should focus on the jackal/tackster thing right now until the item game gets sorted out) SCUM? not FOS, but my personal reads: kevconsim Amber[LighT] (hes been posting, but not much of has been helpful. Seems like he wants to fly under the radar) deconduo ilovejonn OriginalName orgolove iGrok What do you guys think? I left out my blue reads because I figured that wouldn't help town at all. | ||
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(it doesnt bother you that I call you jack does it? I got mad at your nickname and i dont want to be hypocritical) | ||
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On March 28 2011 00:00 deconduo wrote: @Blacks If you want town to win the item game over reds (which I assume you do) kill Lemon tonight. Wtf is this? | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:25 Lemonwalrus wrote: This is what makes me think lemon is clear. He picked up on my breadcrumb. I mean, its not all that hidden, so you might be right, but it is certainly evidence that he is green nonetheless. I'm trying not to take my plan too seriously, because bum and them are right: it could very easily fuck us, but I think to disregard the results entirely would be stupid. | ||
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On March 28 2011 02:08 Tackster wrote: Do not be putting down my compliment dog. i'm a smurf of a playa with skillz He thought I was a smurf too, if you remember. :D | ||
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Would LSB overlook that little detail? IDK. Perhaps you are both scum and it doesn't matter if you talk in person. | ||
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On March 28 2011 03:40 bumatlarge wrote: My scumlist looks like a christmas tree getting smashed against a rainbow. I think you are like an ultraviolet ray bouncing off a particularly gaudy-looking ornament. ...what? Can somebody translate this for me? | ||
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My guesses: I think item game players are gonna take a hit tonight. Jackal and coag and lemon are all dead. Assuming nobody protects anyone from the item game, and assuming that black and red all fire into it, the item game should end tonight or tomarrow, depending on who we lynch. We just have to be sure who the red is. | ||
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Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. What could this mean I wonder? And it looks like two people hit annul. Why didn't his item activate? Somebody must have stolen it before he could use it. From the sounds of it he activated the thing and stormed off. This means that somebody in the item game has the bomb. Vigs, medics, and the bus driver need to be very careful with touching item game members tonight. One person tried to hit someone else but failed (??). That could mean medics protected, or it could mean that they have an ability (or an item!) with a % chance of killing people. Apparently the bus driver confused a few people... are you notified when the bus driver switches you? I suppose its possible from the tone of the post that annul was switched with somebody else... but who would switch annul with? is the bus driver usually a mafia role or a town role? | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:21 LSB Banking wrote: Assuming there is a bus driver role, you are not notified if the bus driver switches you. He's a sneaky little guy. Is this a clue? and is the bus driver a mafia role or is it a town role? | ||
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1. jackals item was stolen 2. coag used his item. 3. darms item is RNG'd to one of you, and annuls is gone 4. Lemons must have either stolen or been stolen from. When you read this: Lemon what happened to your item last night? | ||
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On March 28 2011 12:18 Jackal58 wrote: He used it. Passive protection. He still has it. Coag still has his gun. It's not a fire and forget it's his unless somebody steals it from him. I have no idea how you came to conclusion #4 Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. says right there that lemon wasn't able to use their item. Either that or the gun never went off. | ||
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Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. ONLY ONE PERSON USED THEIR ITEM. Clear as day. | ||
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Town still has our KP. Assuming we can trust jackal (i'm not certain about this) Town lost some bandanges (sounds like medic power). That means that mafia (NOT BLACK) has the ability to protect themselves. If tack isn't lynched, and he is the one who stole the item, we can be sure that he will be immune to a night kill. | ||
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I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver. On March 28 2011 17:21 bumatlarge wrote: Excellent, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I have access to a DT within my circle. We checked lemonwalrus. He came back blue police force While that makes no sense whatsoever since blues cant be in the item game. And of course he is not in my circle. He has to be the GodFather Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself. Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile. So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul? On March 28 2011 15:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Found it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=42#840 I remember KJ guessed who the medic type role was then used it to give the mafia a bunch of free protections. Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all. You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed (look at the DP again) 5. KP used on kav??? Mafia's Plan Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon. Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon. 0_0 How fucking lucky did town get last night? We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack. Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum. Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would 1. have to be in the item game 2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!). Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier. Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool. Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him. 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On March 29 2011 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Doesn't the mayor have 2 BG's? How would bum have died last night? That is the one part I don't get. LSB, if a mayor got bussed would it bypass his bodyguard protection and transfer it to the other bussed person? Yep, the mayor retains his protection even when bussed. I asked lemon about this specifically. | ||
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I'm not actually sure. Night 0 perhaps? LSB said that there was a very good reason night 0 existed and I'm not convinced it was to vote 'godfatheresque' positions in. I think black has an alignment check they could use either night 0, or during the day and they used it at one point to check what annul was. Makes sense, he was one of the most vocal people at the beginning of the game running for mayor and black would obviously want to know if he was red or not. We should look back and see if our little confirmed black in the IG supported annul's candidacy or not. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:35 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, no. I do believe that you're the bus driver and have switched bum and lemon, otherwise the lemon check wouldn't have made sense in a LOT of scenarios. Now, we still need to figure out why Tack didn't die. Two bus drivers might be a bit much indeed. The only thing is, mafia thought Jackal would hit, not Coag, so whatever happened, couldn't have been a spell cast on Coag. Did you not read my post? Mafia must have known who was going to do the hit, which means either lemon or jackal must have told them. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:41 CubEdIn wrote: Ah I see. Well then, the only scenario that makes sense to ME right now is that Lemon is indeed red, tnked managed to screw up everyone with the awesome bus switch (since, you know, lemon was getting checked), and Tacked is caught in the middle. The reason I'm saying this is that Day 2 is entitled confusion, and it's pretty clear that Coag didn't know why he shot annul. I don't know, I've just been getting a good vibe from tack this whole game, and I don't think LSB would place a newbie in a 4-man-mafia team, and then place HIM in the item game. I know it's meta-game and shouldn't be considered, but come on, it makes much more sense for Lemon to be the scum. Besides, we can solve this by killing both, someone get medics on Jackal/Coag and kill the other two. Easy peasy. And yes, I'm considering that Jackal is town. You do realize that lemon is new too, right? | ||
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LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm. So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all. Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were: Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues. Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both Jackal refused to play Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb. However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear. Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:00 deconduo wrote: Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal. As I recall, Tack posted a breadcrumb, not the actual PM... could you find that for me? I'd look myself but im in class and shouldn't be typing. :X | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:01 Insanious wrote: Um, actually, what we have is: 1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit 2) 1 Shot on annul from scum 3) 1 shot on Tack, mind controlled or bussed to Annul 4) 1 shot on kav that failed. Wait a minute...if GM took the hit because I bussed it to bum then I was mislead by kita in pms... I was under the impression that hits on bum would be stopped cold by the bodyguards, and mafia would have to kill both bodyguards by randomly shooting or by role checks before they could kill bum. If I killed you GM i'm sorry!! | ||
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We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote: But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted. | ||
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And tack I didn't recieve both role PMs, I only recieved one. When coag and insanious started talking about the other one I was confused for the longest time until I realize that he had recieved a different one, probably from the mod that didn't send me mine. I recieved the twiddle your thumbs pm. | ||
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Ruh roh. I think iGrok just activated something. | ||
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I asked LSB and apparently my bus happens before hits. So if i switch somebody, I'm killed after switching them. That means that i can switch coag with some random townie and the only chance coag has of dying is if that random townie is hit too. However, that means i'd die which would make me sad. Well, hopefully we'll win the item game and I can use the vest. I'll see what happens when we lynch before i decide what to do. I do think that if we can win the item game tonight we can win the game very quickly. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote: Alright guys. Prepare for EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver. Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself. Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile. So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul? Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all. You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed (look at the DP again) 5. KP used on kav??? Mafia's Plan Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon. Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon. 0_0 How fucking lucky did town get last night? We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack. Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum. Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would 1. have to be in the item game 2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!). Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier. Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool. Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him. Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon? Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool. Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now. Therefore, mafia list: Kav Rean Decon Jackal And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again. I'm quoting this because I think some of you need to reread it (looking at you bum). Mindcontrol is the most logical way for the hit to have been shifted. Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it. The hit was redirected to annul because everyone thought annul had activated his bomb out of rage. If things had worked differently, this would have worked perfectly for Jackal: Coagulation, the only other vetran in the IG would have been dead, Annul would have been dead, and the only people left in the game would have been Lemon, who already agreed with Jackal that Tack was the mafia, and Mafia, who the town suspected already. Jackal would have screamed bloody murder, saying that mafia must have bussed the hit to annul, and that we must lynch Tack immediately. However, this theory is dependant on the fact that black must have hit annul; otherwise, why would red have wasted two KP there? The only reason that they would have MC Coag was because they knew he had the gun. Therefore they knew exactly who was going to get shot with it. Why waste another of their KP on annul, and risk one of their lives to the bomb? Obviously they didn't. Black did. So if you have evidence that it was RED that hit annul bum, you'd better explain. | ||
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We're looking for: day/night posts Large sections of analysis (what i just posted up there for example) Slips/tells Different people's scumlists etc and etc. things that generated discussion such as ROL's fake hit on Annul that confirmed him town. | ||
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Mafia wants to win the item game, yes? They didn't have enough KP to end it last night, especially with lemon protecting his vest. So the only thing they could do was kill as many people strategically as they could, and then the following day claim that they were right all along and lynch somebody. They wanted you dead man. You were supposed to die last night when annul's bomb exploded. With you dead, the only people in the item game would be Jackal, Tack, and Lemon. What do you think would have happened then? If annul or you was the mafia town would win. But neither of you are the mafia. The fact is, the hit wasn't bussed from Tack to annul, because then Tack would have taken annuls hit. YOU were bussed (or MC'd) to annul. It doesn't make any logical sense for Tack to have orchestrated this, because he didn't know that you had the gun. Nobody knew that you had the gun; you guys covered that really well in the thread. I certainly didn't pick it up, and I pride myself on reading everything carefully. Tack, had he been mafia, would have undoubtedly placed the mind control on Jackal, not on annul because he thought that jackal would have been the one to kill him. He would have killed jackal off, not you. But that didn't happen; Tack couldn't possibly be mafia. Your vehemance in insisting that Tack is in fact mafia tells me that you know something you aren't sharing. Did you use your role (not item, ur alignment checking role) on Jackal and find him green? because that would change everything. If you did, what item did you destroy? Could it have been the hot potato? You checked annul last night, didn't you. Thats why his potato was destroyed. | ||
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That changes things dirastically however. What it means is that black must have been the ones who used MC. Yeeeeech. Now things get messy. If black used MC then they must have know that Coag had the gun. Coag, did you or Jackal or Lemon tell darm that you had a gun? | ||
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HOW DID THEY KNOW WHO HAD THE GUN COAG? Explain me that. HOW DID THEY KNOW? | ||
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That is hugely unlikely that they would spend so much of their force on a hunch like that. | ||
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Lets try it a new way: 1. Coag, why do you think you were mind controlled last night? 2. How did they know to mind control you? 3. Why didn't mafia just steal the gun from you? | ||
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I think you're right. I think thats exactly what happened. You gain +2, which brings you to a grand total of -1 in my book. Meanwhile, Tack goes from 1 to -15 . | ||
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Everybody wins! When does day 2 end? | ||
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If there is a mason circle that can PM now would be the time to do so. :D | ||
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I thought Tack was green too, so don't hate him too much. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:37 tnkted wrote: I'm not going to say anymore about what I'm going to do because that would help mafia. Also, if nobody were to request my help that'd be fantastic because that would clue mafia into who i should save. If there is a mason circle that can PM now would be the time to do so. :D EBWOP: if there is a mason circle that can PM me was what i meant to say. | ||
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Yellow, if I were you I'd protect your vest tonight just in case. | ||
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Sorry about that, i'll work on it. | ||
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Meanwhile you can sign up for survivor mafia or something else thats coming up and have a good time playing that. And wiggles: I think thats a good idea to start thinking about what to do if we're wrong. If tack isn't the mafia, traditional logic dictates this: It means that coag, jackal, or lemon is mafia. Lemon I am convinced is clear thanks to the alignment pm breadcrumbing. Coag is probably clear as well. Therefore Jackal would have to be the mafia. Yes? | ||
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Things started out so well... Tnkted and jackal were married in a private ceremony, with a small collection of family and friends. Things went smoothly for the first few years; tnkted's job as a bus driver gave the small family a comfortable living. Meanwhile, Jackal was studying to become a doctor at a local college. He was sure getting good with those bandages! "Cmon Jack, the film is about to start!" "Coming!!!" Tnkted even aquiested to all of Jackal's weird requests in the bedroom. But in a horrible day they would never forget, Jackal's bandages were stolen by a horrible, horrible thief. "It's alright Jackie, we can find you a new set of bandages." "Boo hoo hoo!" Jackal, desperate to complete his degree and become a true doctor, decided to turn to a life of crime in a desire to regain what he had lost. Tnkted was upset about this, but decided to keep his feelings to himself. He loved Jackal but knew to hold him back from his dreams could destroy both their lives. "Cheers twinkle! Why aren't you celebrating?" "I am! Yay crime!" Tnkted's feers were well founded. Jackal took to crime like a fish to water. The jobs became bigger and bigger. Jackal found that he loved his new, adrenaline filled life, stealing and shooting people. But every night when he returned home, he noticed tnkted growing more and more distant from him. "Are you ready twinkle? I've got a list of things we could try tonight... "SNORE SNORE SNORE" And then, disaster struck. Jackal was caught by the Blues and was put on trial. He protested his innocence vehemonously. "Jackal, you are accused of being part of the mafia. How do you plead?" "Absolutely 100 % not guilty your honor." Public opinion was firmly against Jackal. Tnkted found himself ostricized at his job. People lined up and screamed at the bus when they saw it drive by. Tnkted cried to himself, alone in their home, as the trial progressed. He knew he was likely to get called to testify. What was he gonna do? He spent the time looking through their wedding photos. _________ |............... | L__| The judge called Tnkted to the stand the next day. Tnkted couldn't keep his eyes off of his love. The lawyers asked their questions and tnkted dodged the dangerous one that he could without lying. But eventually there came a question he could not avoid: "Is your husband a criminal?" On the strength of tnkted's testimony Jackal was aquitted. The two returned home, and things were happy again for awhile as Jackal lay low. Tnkted used the time to try to convince jackal to change his wayward ways. But the time Jackal had spent on the inside had changed him. Spending time with dangerous criminals had made him more violent and aggressive. Tnkted's remonstrances annoyed him and he started to enjoy their time together less and less. "Cmon Jackie! The movie's starting!" "For god's sake Twinkle leave me the fuck alone! I'm doing shit right now." ................ Tnkted could sense him drifting away. Desperate, he increased his attentions which only made Jackal angrier and angrier. It was on a dark and deadly night that he pushed Jackal too far. "Jackie, I thought i asked you to take out the AAARG-" "Shut up you bitch!" Tnkted was dead. Jackal was disgusted with what he had done. He realized how much of an asshole he had been, and decided the only way to make up for his misdeeds was to kill himself. He got into tnkted's bus, closed the garage door, and started the engine. As the air filled up with noxious fumes, he thought over all the happy times they had shared. Their marriage... Their honeymoon in hawaii... Their many evenings spent watching undubbed kung fu movies... The wet, wholesome feel of his toungue... But as he started losing conciousness, one memory stuck out more than any other. "Jackie, cmon! We're going to be late for the halloween party!" "I just want to get a picture, hang on" *snap* "D'aww, you are the most adorable king" "I love you Jackal58" "I love you too Tnkted" | ||
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On March 30 2011 05:20 Jackal58 wrote: I'm honestly thinking about asking tnkted to marry me. The answer? | ||
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Lets look at the evidence against Tackster for a minute. What exactly is it? He was accused by Coag and Jackal of being mafia before night 1 even happened because...? anyone remember why? Then on day 2, after GM etc died a plausible explanation for why Tackster was mafia suddenly emerged. Ironically, it came from, again, Coag and Jackal. Lemon meanwhile contentedly watched the proceedings from the sidelines. Why didn't he defend Tackster? I mean, somebody just tallied up the votes, and absolutely none of them was any objective analysis of Tackster's play. Hypothesis: A new player will often tend to be more paranoid than an older player because the new player doesn't know what sort of behaviors are commonly trustable and which aren't. This is why you see me pointing FOS's at everybody who blinks twice; I don't know who is playing me for a fool. Lemon didn't do that at all. He happily accepted Jackal and Coag's plan. I am also considering switching my vote, although now IDK whether its between Jackal or Lemon. | ||
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If so, as usual, don't tell me who to bus around. I'll do it myself, switch somebody in IG with somebody I think is mafia. | ||
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On March 31 2011 02:14 Lanaia wrote: Now I have to update my list. Thanks for all of the talking/behaviour. :D 1. RebirthOfLeGenD 2. Jackal58** - [See Lemonwalrus] 3. (OriginalName) - [I can't tell with him anymore.] 4. (Kenpachi) 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 8. bumatlarge 10. Coagulation** - [See Lemonwalrus] 11. orgolove - Pretty much admitted to not even reading 50 pages. Town wouldn't do that. (likely) [Edit: I mean, reading them before he posts to say he's reading them.] 12. chaoser 13.( Meapak_Ziphh) - [Analyses are contribution more to town and generally acting more proactive and more protown. Also, happy birthday meapak!] 15. (kevconsim) 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. (CubEdIn) - [This one should be obvious.] 18. GGQ 19. (ilovejonn) 20. Amber[LighT] - Amber's getting everyone mixed up and I can't make sense of a lot of their posts. 21. BrownBear - Generally just doesn't seem town. 22. (Lemonwalrus)** - [I'm fairly certain neither Jackal nor Coag is scum, so PoE here.] 23. Rean 24. tnkted 26. Lanaia - I know my own alignment. 27. iGrok - iGrok, as scum, I've noticed, you tend to lurk as you are now. I don't feel many things that you've said are a huge asset to town. Speak more. 28. (Beneather) - [Meapak's analysis is actually what I've been thinking about about him for a while now.] 29. (Insanious) 30. (Eiii) Bold or red (both is i'm not sure of which) = scum, green = townie/blue, italics = unsure. Bracketed people are the ones I've had to edit. If you want opinions that I haven't put up there, please say so. That worked out well... there are 10 scum and ten red/undecided people on your list! I agree with most of it, except I'm not entirely certain that Jackal is green, and I'm leaning towards green on Insanious. If Jackal is green he sure as hell played a good mafia game! Oh, and I think GGQ is probably black as well!! He's been acting like it and I don't trust him. Sorry if this post seems a little heavy on the !! I just drank some coffee and I'm a little hyper! I can't wait to see what happens tonight, i just sent my moves in. Will we win the item game!? ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy | ||
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On March 31 2011 04:04 Lanaia wrote: Your hyperness made me happy. It's just what I needed to read, thank you. May I ask, what is the difference between acting like town and acting like black in your world? I know not everyone sees it the same way. I'm just wondering. Heh, you're welcome. I dunno what was in the coffee though, I feel a little funky right now. :r Well its difficult to define, because as Kav (or one of the other mafia vets) described, blacks tend to be extremely helpful because they have to appear so pro town for such a long time. I mean, for all we know, you could be black. Helpful, thoughtful commentary and support for town are precisely the sorts of things that black have to do, and they can avoid getting killed by the mafia because they have bulletproof vests. However, blacks are also aware that they have something to hide, so they have a strong urge to blend in the crowd. So my blackdar tends to pick up people who give brief, extremely illuminating posts, and then immediately disappear into the shadows. | ||
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On March 31 2011 06:38 bumatlarge wrote: We all make misreads. tackster was no different. Shoulda coulda woulda, but there is no need to worry about it anymore. Coag and jackal are town. Lemon is scum. Simple as that. All powers were used night 1, so aside from framers and other more hidden actions, it's basically KP, mindcontrol and the vote things. Here is how I was thinking it should go down. Jackal steal from Lemon, coagualtion attempt to shoot him. A medic protect coagulation and tnkted switch jackal and someone deemed scum. This way we win item game, as mafia would have to redirect or protect lemon, and the most effecient way to do that is have coag shoot jackal. Jackal's bus buddy gets hit, and 2KP would have to be used on coag to kill him. Leaving jackal alive. Tnkted you need to use your non MC'd bus maneuver, or no one gets the items. I'm assuming you are town, because if you dont die and the other townies die, then mafia wins IG and you will die. Luckily mafia will have to focus on the IG while I completely fuck up their team. They better pray that they have about 4 DT covers and bulletproof vests tonight. I won't be going into detail about what my team will be doing, but it should be drastic. Yes sir, fearless leader. I'll use it. I'm not going to tell you who I'm switching jackal with though, so I would avoid killing that person just in case they are town or something. A DT check would probably be fine however. FYI, I probably won't use either of the two people you mentioned. I have an alternative plan where I could use the regular mode and avoid MC, but it would rely trusting that somebody else knows what they're doing. If this person knows what they're talking about, they should drop me a breadcrumb somewhere because I'll have to switch my plans pretty quickly. I was going to use this plan originally until you told me to do the anti-MC one, so post that shit ASAP friendly person! I think I know who you are. Don't put the crumb in a reply to me or this post though! | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:14 ilovejonn wrote: tnkted i really hope your bus does something good. Boy, me too man, me too. How long till the night ends? I have to go afk for a little but I want to check back and see whats happening. | ||
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There might be some hope that I can live through the night after all! If not, everyone, i bid you farewell. To quote Palahniuk: “I've met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, "Why?" Why did I cause so much pain? Didn't I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can't I see how we're all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God's got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything.” | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:24 Rean wrote: This should be WIFOM enough: You're Tnkted. You're the bus driver, and there's 3 people in the item game. The mafia has been found and confirmed, it's now up to you to make sure mafia can't kill the other two townies. Do you: a). Use your anti-mind-controlling bus b). Since scum knows you've got a anti-mind-control bus, you decide to use your normal bus since they probably won't try to MC you anyway. Do you: a). Switch Jackal with someone b). Since they assume you're switching Jackal, you switch around Coagulation instead. Do you: a). Switch it to someone immune so mafia can safely gamble on who to bus b). Switch it to someone that's acting very scummy, possibly resulting in a team-kill for the reds if they gamble wrong. oh yeah, i forgot to mention: I lied about my plans in one crucial part in my previous posts here. Not the 'being bus driver' part, or anything like that, but in a part that will seriously gum up the works if mafia believes everything I've said here. Or, I'm lying about this. Nobody knows! :D | ||
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The maneuver to avoid getting MC'd was to bus myself. Since the bus action goes through before the MC action, I get moved and whoever I switch with gets MC'd instead of me. At the time when I was posting that shit, I thought I only got to move once, and would get killed by anyone targeting jackal. However, I just gained the ability to use two night actions during the day. I was told 'here is an item' and I wasn't told what the item did. I didn't know if it was poison or what. The alternative plan was to use the item and simply hope that it defended me from MC or night actions. It turned out to just give me an extra night action. The item is gone now, so I can't do this again. So when I was posting all that shit about definitely dying it was because I figured I was going to be switched with jackal and would then get killed immediately by Coag or the mafia shooting at jackal. Hopefully everything worked out, read below for what happened: | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:02 CubEdIn wrote: @tnk, good thinking. I like that. Thanks, I couldn't dare mention the 'switch myself' thing in the thread because I was certain that mafia would just hit whoever i switched with. | ||
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I hope mafia didn't try to MC me, and hit jackal instead, and jackal has some sort of nuke power... | ||
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If I do, Et tu brutus, beware the ids, etc. I've already said my farewells. | ||
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I do arabic and spanish. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:22 Tackster wrote: Brutus is singular - it's a name so doesn't follow a proper declension anyway. Also it's in the vocative which means 'O Brutus' In the Nominative (Brutus) it would mean Brutus did something and you... so it'd be... brutoi? Surely latin lets you turn names into verbs if you claim artistic license. Bushism, Monroe'd, etc. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:28 Tackster wrote: Names don't always follow the rules. Just fyi Correct. Tackster, for example, in the original latin actually means 'little girls.' the correct version of his name, in the nomitive singular, would be 'tacksto'. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:30 CubEdIn wrote: Rofl. Are you sure it doesn't mean "one who peed himself" or something like that? Nope that would be translated roughly as 'Kitamin', although his name is actually greek instead of latin. | ||
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Oh shit, reans dead. Thats 2 blues down, right? We're still only at 1 dead scum... and wtf did chaoser do? is pandain playing the game now? WTF is the arena game? I'm so confused... | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:51 CubEdIn wrote: Ok two down. Jumped the gun a bit there, tnked? that was seriously a coincidence dude I didn't have any prior knowledge or anything | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:54 Lanaia wrote: Oh, and we know who the other two police are. Dammit. The assassin can't be town then, can he, given that coag is the town's KP? Well, unless coag is lying and isn't actually town. or if coag killed iGrok and lied about protecting. I feel like the post would have been written differently however. | ||
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On March 31 2011 12:17 Insanious wrote: Did I read the write up correctly... that tnkted cannot be mind controlled as MC and bussing happen at the same time. So even if mafia try to MC tnkted, the bus will still happen, and the MC will hit someone with no more night actions that they can preform. Or did I read it wrong, and only the pills would result in this outcome? I can't be MC'd or killed if I'm switching myself with somebody else. However, whoever I switch myself with will die if I am targeted. If I try to bus myself and am MC'd, It will cancel out both moves and I can be killed. Basically, I am going to cost the mafia a KP AND their MC on the same night if they want to kill me. I'll be as much help as I can before that happens however. Got three days left (IRL) to get analyzing! | ||
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Cube/bum, could we get a list of confirmed greens so that we know in case you guys both die tonight? I'm sure that rean got a few checks off before he bit the dust. | ||
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On March 31 2011 13:13 Lemonwalrus wrote: I know we all think I'm mafia at this point, but in case any of you care, I was shot last night. | ||
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On April 01 2011 07:56 Coagulation wrote: because night 2 mafia bussed a DT check off lemonwalrus among other things Erm, mafia didn't bus the DT check off, I did. And I thought i was saving lemon. We just got unlucky. | ||
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Sigh... I'm not scum... That first night was just an unfortunate mistake. You'll notice I posted what I did last night just before the day broke. | ||
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On April 01 2011 19:23 Eiii wrote: ...wow, that was lucky as fuck. Still gonna be active though! But before I go to bed: We already knew that tnk didn't switch me last night, so don't factor that into your scumminess calculations or anything. Yep, I couldn't get a switch off. See, puppeting and switching are both manipulative actions, so I could't switch Eiii with anyone without risking puppeting. I had two switches though, so what I ended up doing was switching myself, which I figured I could do safely, and then switching again after that, where I would be safe from MC. I figured I could safely get Jackal out of the item game first, and then focus on getting Eiii into it. Worse case senario, from my perspective, was Wait a minute. I just won us the item game Give me a minute to PM LSB and make sure I'm allowed to do this. | ||
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Great. So, now what? We've just gotten one kill, bringing our grand total of kills to two. Who are we going to kill first? Everyone should make a list of the top 5 people they think are most likely mafia/scum. My list: 1. Meapak_Ziphh 2. orgolove 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. Amber[LighT] | ||
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On April 02 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: 1. RebirthOfLeGenD 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7.darmousseh 8. bumatlarge 9. GMarshal 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. chaoser 13. Meapak_Ziphh 14. annul 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. GGQ 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. BrownBear 22. Lemonwalrus 23. Rean 24. tnkted 25. Tackster 26. Lanaia 27. iGrok 28. Beneather 29. Insanious 30. Eiii lolwut tackster is dead, and green | ||
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I have no love for orgoscum | ||
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Sending my orders in now. Blues, do you have any preferences on what should happen tonight, or should I just cause mayhem for the scum? | ||
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tell me if this is a good list, i'll only take advice from confirmed blues/townies: OriginalName Amber[LighT] orgolove Although I am considering putting ilovejohn and pandain on the list. Coag, i'd feel free to use your gun tonight because they can't puppet us both. Right now mafia has an extremely target rich environment and they only get 2 kills. Black gets 1 kill as well but.. well, i'll talk about them in a minute. Basically: If red kills both blues, and mind controls coag, they can kill either myself or one of the analyzers. If red kills myself and coag, they can kill one of the blues. If red kills either me or coag, they open themselves up to dying through bus switching/coag's gun. Regardless, we can be certain that red is going to try to MC either me or coag. Nothing else makes sense. We have the most dangerous known abilities on the field, and are therefore the biggest threats. The correllary to this is the fact that we are also the juiciest targets for MC. Therefore, both me and coag have to use our abilities. They can't block us both. | ||
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and ok, I'll replace orgolove and ON on your advice. amber[light] insanious Kenpachi one of those will be switched with either me or somebody on your list. | ||
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:D (im 99% sure that you're a girl, is that right?) | ||
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On April 03 2011 05:58 ilovejonn wrote: crap u guys got me ... is this a confirm that you're scum? | ||
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Except that town wouldn't play wifom like this. Sigh... easy lynch. #vote ilovejohn when the night post flips. You're just giving up, aren't you. | ||
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On April 03 2011 08:59 CubEdIn wrote: Well all hell broke loose in the OTHER side of the game. We might just have a list of red and blacks for you town, as the reds are duking it out with the blacks. I'll discuss with bum and give you the names we have by morning. However, please remember that: 1. Nothing is 100% sure 2. You need to keep the black numbers just slightly lower than the red numbers. So don't go after blacks and have the reds win it. Remember, they have cool powers. As of now there are 3 blacks left, and 5 red. We have 2 red names that come from a very reliable source, and a few "good hunches" about the 3 blacks left. So, it will be up to town to decide who is the better choice. I'll talk it over with bum but I'll get back to you before sunrise. You should post it before the day flips in case you die. Post it right before 11 like I did yesterday. | ||
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On April 03 2011 07:42 Kavdragon wrote: ilovejohn can be put on hold. We have better lynches to take care of. Also, there were two townies with alternate win conditions already, as unlikely as it may seem, there might be a fourth-day village idiot. I mean, I did do a troll post about that sort of thing when LSB was making the roles, so it's possible. Anyways, I think that Amber[light] and Kenpachi should be killed. Coag, are you on board with killing off of Bum's list? Also, bum, do you have any thoughts on who we should vote into the arena? Pandain still hasn't said why he voted BB, and I won't accept "Because I wanted to dual Insanious" as an answer. He could have done that yesterday. Pandain, you've been rather quiet since you first got in. Why aren't you contributing/posting? If you didn't have time to do this in RL, you wouldn't have signed up as a replacement, so why so little activity? lolwut We don't know what roles everybody has. He could be the puppetmaster. why WOULDN'T we kill confirmed scum first? He's on your scum team isn't he? | ||
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On April 03 2011 09:46 ilovejonn wrote: in that sense if I claim green I must be confirmed townie. Claiming scum is entirely different from claiming townie. Townie and scum will claim townie, but only scum will claim scum, and they will only do that when they're bored with the game and they don't want to play anymore. | ||
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On April 03 2011 10:20 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah, I'd bus cube or myself. I think person that got gun from IG should shoot orgo IMO. so wait, should i be playing it safe (switching myself) or switching people around? I've changed my mind on my bus like 8 times now. Previously i was switching one of the blues with a scum, and i either changed that or didn't. What is the best plan? give me 3 options so scum can wifom. | ||
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i love them both, i want them both to win! | ||
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you think i'm kidding, i'm not. MLG broke the internet. | ||
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Mods cmon! hurry up! I'm about to go out and i dont want to leave without knowing what happened! | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:58 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote Kenpachi | ||
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On April 03 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote: Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push. Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches. On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part. Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer. There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it. So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects? Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that. I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more. GL town, looks like you'll be needing it. Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black. Put a bomb on Pandain. What did your check return as? and kav, i'm not black. For the record, I think we should take the bomb off kav because hes right: hes been posting good analyzsis and as long as hes doing that (ie, as long as there are more reds in the game than blacks) I'm ok with him living. However, since hes accusing lanaia and myself after I think we've both demonstrated how green we are, I'm not personally going to believe a word he says. I'm also down with putting the extra bomb on pandain, amber[light], and orgolove. | ||
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I mean, I think we're obligated to at this point but we better try to aim at reds. Blacks, now would be a great time to come out of the woodwork, or risk revealing yourselves when the bombs go off. | ||
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also LSB, you hilarious asshole: ==Official LSB Banking Note== I am putting a Kill Contract on Annul. If will pay money if you kill Annul before day 2 Commence bidding on how much money I will pay you for the completion of the kill. Maximum bid is 2,000,000, lowest bid wins. If you want to save annul, pay me 1,000,000 Kronos and I will withdraw the contract. I am willing to pay hazard pay of 1,000,000 Kronos should someone die trying to complete the job Bidding will take place here in the black market quicktopic. | ||
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On April 03 2011 16:37 kevconsim wrote: kavdragons black Yep, kavdragon is probably black, which means that kev here is red. | ||
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John, you need to change one of your bombs to kev if you haven't already. Orgolove is a good other target. | ||
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John should live to tomorrow because mafia won't want to kill him. Hmm... black would though... do we have any other ways to protect him? | ||
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Well, despite my best efforts, Tackster the townie was hanged. And our Blues are looking a little inept as well. So, I'd like to offer them a helping hand, if they're willing to pay for it. - I will provide the Blues with the name of the Mafia Godfather by the start of Day 3. - In return, they will pay me a sum of 5 million Kronos (Negotiable) This information is highly sensitive, but VERY reliable. Despite your best efforts? Who do we know who has made a huge deal out of defending tackster this game? Oh hello insanious. Good to know that you're scum. | ||
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On April 04 2011 00:57 deconduo wrote: Yeah that confirms him as another black. Rean is probably the last one? Rean is dead. | ||
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On April 04 2011 03:31 Amber[LighT] wrote: Or if they're black we have screwed ourselves with lynching a townie and getting no result other than a wasted lynch. wrong! we'd have confirmed two blacks, which is good as well. And I think you're scum. Care to defend yourself? | ||
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Player List 1. 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon <--- BLACK 7. 8. 9. 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. 13. 14. 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. 22. 23. 24. tnkted 25. 26. Lanaia 27. 29. Insanious 30. Eiii Bots: 1. LSB Banking 2. Beneather There are currently 16 players remaining. There are currently 8 Townies remaining. There are currently 1 Police remaining. There are currently 4 Mafia remaining. There are currently 3 Third party remaining. Current Mafia KP is 1 Current Third Party KP is 1 Current Police Force KP is 0 Current Town KP is 1 Alrighty. Lets do the math on this. There are 8 greens left. 7 of them are confirmed or semi-confirmed up on the board there. That means that only one on the list of deconduo Mr. Wiggles kevconsim is actually green. The other two are scum. I think Kev is probably scum (i didnt put him on the board because i'm getting him and ken confused right now and I didn't want to deal with it) but the question remains: who is scum, Decon or Wiggles? Whats really scary is the fact that there are 8 greens. Greens have a grand total of 2 kp at the moment: one gun, and one lynch. Red doesn't look that spooky with their 1 KP. However, black has 3 RPG's in addition to their 1 KP, giving them a grand total of 4 KP. So we're looking at 3 black with 3KP, immunte to night kills IE we can lynch one at a time. Meanwhile we've got 4 mafia with 1 kill, which can't hit the blacks and will therefore go directly to town. We can subtract that from the total, assuming mafia hits. So 7 town. Black has incentive to kill anyone at this point, because they just need to lower down the voting ratios so that they aren't outvoted every time. Black therefore will probably fire indiscriminately, bringing the combined 7 town/4 mafia (11) non-black lynching crowd down to 7, leaving us at 7 vs 3. Depending on how many reds/greens are in that 7 will determine who wins this game. If they get more reds than greens green will win. If they get more greens than reds, red will win. I don't think its possible for black to win at this point unless 2 reds, 4 townies, and zero black die tonight. Basically we need to protect our asses off tonight. Reds have to die instead if town wants to win this. | ||
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Oh, i forgot to include you in my analysis. If you happen get 2 red then town is down to 7 and red is down to 2. Black uses 4 KP on town and red and we're at 5 red/green and 3 black. There will be 3 greens, 2 reds, and 3 black. Yeech, this isn't looking good for town. Maybe we should be lynching a black instead. | ||
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I can bus you i suppose, but that would open me up to roleblocks. Bussing takes place before kill, so they would have to roleblock me. However, that would mean that you would NOT be roleblocked, which is what we want. In addition, it makes more sense for red to roleblock one of the black players and kill him. Does roleblocking a black character remove his (or her) bulletproofness? | ||
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On April 04 2011 05:49 Kenpachi wrote: but but but Kitaman told be blacks can die to bombs... is this true? | ||
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I mean, Kav has already been hit once today. Technically, if we hit him again before night flips it will be considered at the same time and he will die. | ||
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On April 04 2011 00:45 LSB Banking wrote: Bot Message Beneather says: Guess my favorite item! I’ll give you a few clues.
We should spend some time figuring this out. If its something that we know they had in the black market, then we can assume that hes black. If however its something from the item game we can be sure that hes green. | ||
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On April 04 2011 10:08 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: one town + one mafia down = 2 less votes for the next lynch which should be a black. This is actually a very good point. I'm still waiting on what the other confirmed townies think before i change my vote though. Does day end tonight or tomorrow? | ||
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Town: trust us on this. Jackal knows what it is and I know what it is, you guys need to trust us confirmed townies. If we're wrong you can take us out back and shoot us. Right now the threat of 'whatever lanaia is' is scarier to scum then her actual role could ever be. Jackal im interested to know your thoughts on this since you're the only other person that knows what it is. | ||
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On April 04 2011 10:48 orgolove wrote: You know. I know this is insane mafia, but the black market was... the very definition of imbalance. -_- There was no way for us to avoid revealing our names within the first few days of the game. Anyway. I really dislike playing with players who just do random shit. There was -no- evidence Meapak was a red. Sure, you got lucky this game, but 9 out of 10 games you're just going to screw up your own side. It really makes me pissed off how shit happens on a dice roll. I knew Meap was scum AGES ago. You'll notice hes on several of my early scum lists. I left him off some of the later ones because I figured it would be better if he didn't know I suspected him, and also because he had started to post some good analysis and i was wifoming. But the real tip off was this: On March 25 2011 11:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright lets see if there is a CC now that there are roles. If not I say we've waited long enough and it's time to elect Bum. This was almost 15 minutes before I received my role. I know its cheating to discuss pm timings in thread so I didn't mention it, but I couldn't help but notice. I instantly knew that meap was either blue, scum, or black because of this. I actually thought he was blue for the longest time until all the blues had claimed or were dead. Also i was able to confirm coag as green there too, he got his minutes before me. :D | ||
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I'm not black. If you remember, it was my alignment PM confirmation thing that got most of the town onboard with darm's lynch. Also I've been extremely clear with what i've been doing, posting my switches right before the day flips, switching people around etc the problem is that I'm a known quantity. My single undeclared action was to switch lemon and bum, and that was because I thought lemon and coag were green and you or tackster were scum. Rather then let him get hit I wanted to save him. Clearly this was a mistake, but from my perspective it was a shot in the dark that happened to turn out totally wrong, and it wasted a lot of our time lynching tack etc. So I got unlucky. Sue me for that one. I understand your suspicions but I can promise: I'm not black. And you just revealed what lanaia's role was, good job. If there's an assassain here now they can kill her and win the game. | ||
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On April 04 2011 04:00 tnkted wrote: My scoreboard of confirmed green, unconfirmed green, confirmed scum, unconfirmed scum. I will put myself down as unconfirmed green (even though I know that I'm green) so that this list will help other people as well. Player List 1. 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon <--- BLACK 7. 8. 9. 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. 13. 14. 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. 22. 23. 24. tnkted 25. 26. Lanaia 27. 29. Insanious 30. Eiii Bots: 1. LSB Banking 2. Beneather There are currently 16 players remaining. There are currently 8 Townies remaining. There are currently 1 Police remaining. There are currently 4 Mafia remaining. There are currently 3 Third party remaining. Current Mafia KP is 1 Current Third Party KP is 1 Current Police Force KP is 0 Current Town KP is 1 Revised list. Underlined people are the people I just changed because of confirmations and role reveals etc. Erm, we have a problem. Decon and Insanious can't both be green, cuz then we have 9 greens. Both of you guys need to start posting ASAP. | ||
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On April 04 2011 04:00 tnkted wrote: Player List 1. 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. 8. 9. 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. 13. 14. 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. 22. 23. 24. tnkted 25. 26. Lanaia 27. 29. Insanious 30. Eiii Bots: 1. LSB Banking 2. Beneather There are currently 16 players remaining. There are currently 8 Townies remaining. There are currently 1 Police remaining. There are currently 4 Mafia remaining. There are currently 3 Third party remaining. Current Mafia KP is 1 Current Third Party KP is 1 Current Police Force KP is 0 Current Town KP is 1 My personal list of suspects: Mafia 1. RoL/Pandain 2. OriginalName 3. Orgolove (self-confirmed) 4. Amber[LighT] Black 1. Kavdragon 2. kevconsim 3. Mr. Wiggles If Kav flips black I'm willing to switch in decon. Thoughts? | ||
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While I'm gone people should go through decon's posts. if his posts were generally helpful during the early part of the game but tapered off until now, you guys should switch your votes. If they weren't, and hes been lurking all game, hes probably red and we should stick with kav. GL guys! | ||
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Just caught up. Switching to ON. Kav if you're fooling us... well played sir, very well played. | ||
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My greenlist is Lanaia Jackal Kav John Coag Insanious eiii and myself Thats 8, and I'm still not entirely sold on Eiii or insanious, I'm just trusting cube. Seriously. Somebody do an analysis on me. Run through all of my posts through the game, and clear me so we can stop playing these stupid games. | ||
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On April 05 2011 10:22 Lanaia wrote: ANDDDDD I'd like to lynch Kav. He did breadcrumb. Therefore, he's lying. Please lynch him. holy shit | ||
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Lanaia and cube, you guys need to switch to ON ASAP in case these guys try to buy 8 votes. With .5 mill each thats only 4 million, which would not suprise me if they had at this point. | ||
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On April 05 2011 10:50 Lanaia wrote: Why I want Kav lynched: 1. He lied about his breadcrumb. 2. ON is NOT voting for Kav to save himself when he should be. 3. Obviously, Kav and ON are together as black and Kav holds KP. That's why Kav tried to run as mayor: to protect the KP. 4. Kav is black. That's why red are voting for him. Ok sure. Kav may still be black, these are good arguements. However, right now the rest of the town is voting for ON who you have to admit is acting extremely scummy atm. Black I suspect is trying to use this split in opinion to influence the vote. If kav is black as you say we can lynch him tomorrow, but right now the only thing you can do is to vote for ON so that Black doesn't steal the vote and lynch cube. | ||
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*twitch* | ||
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QUICK B4 DAY FLIPS | ||
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I really hope you live cube. I really do. | ||
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Nj dude. :D | ||
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On April 05 2011 11:16 Jackal58 wrote: I borked yo mama I WANT A DIVORCE | ||
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On April 05 2011 11:16 LSB wrote: Night 4 The town lynched OriginalName. Not much of a fight was put up as he accepted his death. OriginalName the third party died. The Arena was messed up. Pandain had to be replaced, but he won the bot game and took control over beneather and voted off insanious. With that the final two members of the arena were both bots. LSB banking sighed. His project failed. He turned off all the lights, turned off the bots, and left the game. OriginalName the Third Party Banker has died Pandain the Mafia Puppeteer has died Insanious the Village Idiot has died Beneather the Starcraft Fanboy has died LSB Banking has disappeared TOTAL VICTORY | ||
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However, as Third Party you are unwilling to get your hands dirty so you and other third party members cannot use the RPGs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOWN WINS! THEY CANT KILL ALL OF US TONIGHT | ||
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On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote: Player List 1. 2. Jackal58 3. 4. 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. 8. 9. 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. 13. 14. 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. 22. 23. 24. tnkted 25. 26. Lanaia 27. 29. 30. Eiii Bots: 1. 2. There are currently 12 players remaining. There are currently 6 Townies remaining. There are currently 1 Police remaining. There are currently 3 Mafia remaining. There are currently 2 Third party remaining. Current Mafia KP is 1 Current Third Party KP is 1 Current Police Force KP is 0 Current Town KP is 1 Whelp seems pretty simple what we do from here. I keep lanaia alive and we win in two or three rounds. Mafia has only 1 kp and black only has 1 kp now that we know they can't use their RPGs. | ||
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I can just not use my role if you guys think thats wise. | ||
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can the assassain get through protections? | ||
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http://www.ign.com/ipl/ DIDNT WANT TO PLAY BY THE RULES | ||
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he played just like meap did this game; lots of analysis. | ||
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I'll bus lanaia tonight, yes? | ||
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If we can keep lanaia alive i think we got this. | ||
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On April 05 2011 21:54 deconduo wrote: How confirmed is Eiii? If you are 100% certain about him then we have: 2 Red: orgolove amber 1 Red, 1 Black: Wiggles kevincosim 1 Black: tnked kavdragon (fmpov) again decon, i'm not convinced that you're green! | ||
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On April 02 2011 11:08 LSB wrote: [It started off well, tnkted proposed a plan where everyone would claim their alignment PMs. There were a few issues with this, for example, annul had a different PM than the rest of the players. But it ended up being partially successful. Darmousseh was unable to pick up on the hints being dropped in the thread and failed to claim a PM at all, getting himself lynched. After successfully lynching the third party member the first day, the town changed their attention to Tackster and Lemonwalrus. The day before Lemonwalrus was able to fake an alignment PM, picking up on hints that tnkted dropped early in the game. Things looked bad for Tackster, and although he fought bravely and even with the support of the police force and the town kingdom. The town were not able to move the bandwagon. | ||
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I'm green. Decon is black. | ||
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On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote: Player List 1. 2. Jackal58 3. 4. 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. 8. 9. 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. 13. 14. 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. 22. 23. 24. tnkted 25. 26. Lanaia 27. 29. 30. Eiii Bots: 1. 2. There are currently 12 players remaining. There are currently 6 Townies remaining. There are currently 1 Police remaining. There are currently 3 Mafia remaining. There are currently 2 Third party remaining. Current Mafia KP is 1 Current Third Party KP is 1 Current Police Force KP is 0 Current Town KP is 1 Decon are you sure that you're green? because we can't both be green... if there are 6 townies remaining that means that Eiii ilovejohn coag jackal lanaia EMPTY SPOT I know that i am that empty spot. If you're green as well that means that somebody in this list is a liar. Cube how certain are you that Eiii is green? He and decon are the only two I haven't accounted for. | ||
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wait... AN ASSASSIN IS AMONG US | ||
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On April 06 2011 04:20 Jackal58 wrote: Gee ya think. That doesn't change the fact that either you or Decon or Eii is black. read previous page where i post about how since annul picked up on my alignment pm breadcrumb, and annul was green, i must also be green. | ||
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Decon, at what point did you demonstrate that you are cleared? as far as I can tell, I've confirmed myself through the breadcrumbing... how have you been confirmed? | ||
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Lets do the math. Somebody go into that black market and lets see if we can figure out what happened.. Black had 10 mil and buying out the bank cost 20 mil. If they got up to 24 million before they bought out the market, they would have enough to buy 8 votes which would have killed you last night. | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:17 Lanaia wrote: OH and LSB said that if an external wincon is met [See: Insanious's wincon] the game won't end. I don't think the game would end with my death in the morning. if assassin kills lanaia will game end? | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:18 Lanaia wrote: I'm 99.999999999999% positive the assassin is black and/or kav. So... we can't shoot the assassin. Can't be black. Count up the numbers. There are 13 people in the game left alive and only 12 are accounted for on the list, including kav. Somebody is a color other then red green blue or black. | ||
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So who am I switching tonight? I can post what im doing at the last minute again if we need me to. Give me multiple options so scum will wifom. | ||
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YOUR QUEEN DEMANDS IT BACK TO YOUR SLUMS, PROLETARIAT | ||
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Well, we will lose the opposite of what scum wanted us to lose then, so i guess theres that. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The thing that freaked me out, was tnkted's alignment PM bread crumbs. I starting freaking out, because I had no clue what to do about that. Luckily it was Insane and there were a bunch of different alignments. :p It could only work once anyway. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: We asked you if we could control both of his actions if he took the drugs, and you said yes, we could control his actions. That was the only question we needed to ask. You changed your mind and decided we couldn't control his actions. Your defense that he bussed himself doesn't matter, because you said we could CONTROL HIS ACTIONS, which means that his choice of targets would be overwritten with our choice no matter who he targeted, because his targets would not go through. You either lied to us or changed your mind after explaining it to us, and we made our decisions based on this false information. If what you had said had been correct, both coag and jackal would have died and we would have won the IG. Original Message From LSB: Whoops, all right, last night when going back through the examples, i want back to the first exception that as long as you bus yourself you cannot be mind controlled. I think I got confused when awnsering your question, sorry, so make that the new response. IE you did not nessissarily bus the mindcontroller. I asked the specific question, and you guys didn't. He gave me an answer. If he had done the OPPOSITE of what he told me, how would that have been fair to me/town? | ||
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Look I understand the fustration... you didn't pm him the EXACT SEQUENCE of words that was needed to answer the question you were asking. You didn't know that I could bus myself. There was no way that you could have known that. You need to give me some credit for coming up with that idea on my own though. LSB certainly didn't think of it. Nobody thought if it. I did, and i broke the game because i found a loophole. I'm not saying that I'm a genuis or anything, just that I found an loophole and exploited it. Be angry at me, not at LSB. AFAIK he was as fair as he could be. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote: *sigh* I hate to have to remind people, but its a *game* dont ruin the fun we all had by going all beserk over a decision in a game of frankly whacky balance. I enjoyed laughing at the shennanigans, and raging over a game that is over is a waste of time. THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS | ||
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On April 09 2011 11:05 LSB wrote: Deagle, the early game beast: Tnkted. I’d like to welcome tnkted to one of his first mafia games, and congratulate him on ripping face in the item game and night 2. Later on he could have done better, but we will always remember what he did the first two nights Good to be here! Thanks! You are of course referring to my hero bus that destroyed the red team and the PM breadcrumbing that killed darm? Ballist Play Leamonwalrus and Meapak_Zipphh. For the Day 1 fake claim. In one of the most intense moments of the game, here is the chat logs. + Show Spoiler + [21:02] <Lemonwalrus> in the meantime I'll hunt for clues [21:02] <Meapak_Ziphh> IF ANYONE HAS EVER GOT A TOWN PM BEFORE FROM LSB POST IT IN THE QT FOR ANALYSIS [21:12] < Meapak_Ziphh> JACK FUCKING POT [21:12] < Meapak_Ziphh> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200702¤tpage=39#772 [21:13] <Meapak_Ziphh> this qoute [21:13] <Meapak_Ziphh> JACK FUCKING POT [21:15] <Meapak_Ziphh> DONT BE AFK WALRUS [21:15] <Meapak_Ziphh> POST THE DAMN QOUTE [21:16] <Lemonwalrus> how do you know? [21:16] <Lemonwalrus> if i post and i'm wrong i'm immediately scum for sure [21:17] <Lemonwalrus> we shouldn't have to take fucking risks like this [21:17] <Meapak_Ziphh> 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 [21:17] <Meapak_Ziphh> percent sure [21:17] <Meapak_Ziphh> it's the phrase [21:17] <Meapak_Ziphh> townie minding my own buisness [21:17] <Meapak_Ziphh> but face it walrus [21:17] <Lemonwalrus> what if he is smart enough to sprinkle random phrases that weren't there in his posts [21:18] <Meapak_Ziphh> they'rer going t check you tonight [21:18] <Meapak_Ziphh> you'll come back red [21:18] <Meapak_Ziphh> we have to ball up [21:19] <Meapak_Ziphh> lemme PM LSB [21:19] <Meapak_Ziphh> no you do it [21:19] <Lemonwalrus> i just did [21:21] <Lemonwalrus> Mafia tip. Every plan has a weakness, see if you can spot this one's [21:21] <Lemonwalrus> his response to me [21:21] <Meapak_Ziphh> gogo [21:21] <Lemonwalrus> wat? [21:22] <Meapak_Ziphh> his advice is to trick them [21:22] <Meapak_Ziphh> please walrus [21:22] <Meapak_Ziphh> you can hate me forever [21:22] <Meapak_Ziphh> if im wrong [21:23] <Lemonwalrus> ugh [21:23] <Lemonwalrus> so just post that quote? [21:23] <Meapak_Ziphh> his entire post [21:23] <Meapak_Ziphh> qoute it [21:24] <Lemonwalrus> k, i'm doing this [21:24] <Lemonwalrus> if i am found out you suck but still good luck winning without me [21:24] <Meapak_Ziphh> thank you [21:25] <Meapak_Ziphh> russian roulette... [21:25] <Lemonwalrus> FUCK WHO THOUGHT FORUMS COULD GET THIS FUCKING INTENSE [21:26] <Lemonwalrus> i'm like almost breaking a sweat here [21:26] <Meapak_Ziphh> lol I'm sweating irl [21:26] <Lemonwalrus> mafia is awesome [21:26] <Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [21:26] <Lemonwalrus> god i hope someone posts confirming me soon [21:26] <Lemonwalrus> ever second that passes is agonizing [21:26] <Meapak_Ziphh> yes [21:26] <Meapak_Ziphh> well will you be coming back for another game? [21:27] <Meapak_Ziphh> GOD FUCK THIS IS AGONIZING [21:27] <Meapak_Ziphh> f5f5f5f5f5f5 [21:46] <Lemonwalrus> fuck yes meapak your gambit worked [21:46] <Lemonwalrus> i would kiss you if i knew you irl [21:47] <Meapak_Ziphh> I WIN SO HARD RIGHT NOW [21:47] <Meapak_Ziphh> #WINNING I’d like to congratulate them on pulling it off. THIS WAS HILARIOUS. NJ guys, I knew I should have sprinkled in some more fake clues. I seriously considered revealing the plan before actually dropping hints just to see what you guys would have done. TBH tho you guys got the easiest and most obvious post. If you had chosen VIRTUALLY any other post of mine i would have called shenanigans and lemon would have immediately died. | ||
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but LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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And iccup may be free but BW cd keys aren't, and I left mine at home when I went to college. I'll just go buy it tomorrow. I've already got a mic and everything, this is gonna be great! | ||
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the players should choose the casters IMO | ||
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I'll be back home in a few hours, we can figure this out then. Otherwise, if the stream isn't too delayed, we can do some sort of screencapture shit of whoever is hosting to let the rest of the casters be able to cast. | ||
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On April 18 2011 03:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm going to try to set up a stream and see if it works. Get it up fast, we'll test when I get home. | ||
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