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On March 29 2011 19:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Yay this game will be fun!!!111 <3 <3 + Show Spoiler +To be honest I'm just posting so I can have all the latest replies in the mafia forum so I can screen shot it. I actually screen shotted it before I saw this post, bloody spammer
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Argh wth
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Day 1 lynch=jackal if he goes bowling on tuesday!
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You seem pretty pro town this game drh
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This game will not start until all 40 slots are filled. This game will not start until after Insane Mafia is completed, so if you are playing in Insane, you are welcome to join!
But I guess it could start sooner if it fills and insane slows down? /shrug
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~waves~
oh and I will try to get you lynched if you continue scumhunting by role PM tknted :p
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It'd be interested in your thought whether game started or not :/
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I like Kavdragon's post about the mayor being a leader more than an analyst. It's something him and I talked about after the town victory in mafia xxxvi; no matter how good you are at listing scum names, it is pointless if you can't convince others that you are right. Him breaking it out now is ballsy, since it sounds "wrong" in the ears of many people. If he was scum, I think he would be too worried about the negative reaction to bring the argument forward.
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I'm fine with having Protactinum as pardoner, if he will use his KP on targets decided by town a few days in, when we got a better read on who's red. For this to happen we lose the pardoner, which is a pretty useless role for town anyways, and gain vigi, a good trade in my opinion.
Just remember Protactinum has a different win condition, so he won't win the game for us. Since he will only help us to the degree it serves his purpose, he will blow his KP on the assassins if they are silly enough to out themselves before we find mafia. But that is a small risk I'm willing to take.
Since he obviously can't be our mayor, we should keep focus on our candidates:
Chaoser, are you still running? I felt kinda off when you put a FoS on one of the only active new people.
Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy.
GMarshal, you honestly want to lynch the most inactive player? That person is never going to be mafia.
DrH, it seems like several people are suspicious of your alignment?
From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads.
To town: it's us who decides who we want as mayor, so don't be shy to ask questions to the candidates, or write your opinions of them. Remember it's the silent ones that gets killed first!
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Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is.
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Who are the siblings? I checked the OP to see if there was a sibling role I missed He is just referring to Aidnai and Kavdragon, who are brothers.
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So chaoser, are you still running?
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Is anyone really suprised that Pandain fake claims DT? He will do that regardless of alignment...
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In loving memory: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Vroomfondel/nemy.jpg On April 11 2011 06:29 Robellicose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote: A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments.
I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time.
The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him.
Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him.
I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments.
Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious.
now im 100% sure Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum.
I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly.
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why is it silly
what about mib
why do you think gmarshal is town? 1. Because Kav is an active player we will get a better read off later, and who I would hate to mislynch with an "Oooops" day 1.
2. Happy you are pressuring him
3. He is posting actively and openly, in the way I have come to know as his town play. My main concern with GM is whether he can lead the town, right now I'm content with him if we want a town aligned player for mayor.
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Woops and ninjaed by a huge post by kav. Ah well, gn ya'll
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I find DrH's playstyle to be unlike the pro-town playstyle he has displayed in recent games He is very offensive and quick to call people scum. Look at his platform when he ran in mafia 36:
On January 24 2011 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I'll run for mayor.
Reasons you should vote for me:
1. I am a big mafia target and bodyguard protection will help me survive into the later stages of the game. 2. I do fairly well at organizing town discussion and making sure we don't get sidetracked. 3. I'm not the best scumhunter, but I'm getting better. I am pretty good at determining who is trustworthy so I think I'll make good decisions as far as bodyguards. 4. I'm great at clue analysis. He posts good reasons, acknowledges his flaws, and come off as more laid back than in this game.
This is his pro-town post that lead to the infamous mass claim to DrH in Salem: + Show Spoiler +On December 27 2010 18:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Meh I'll just start now, I have some time. We need to very carefully consider the framer role. It is often advised to detectives, by mafia, that a big town target should be checked to get "information". DT's should check the targets they think are most likely scum based on post behavior and that's pretty much all there is to it until later in the game when a lot of information actually can be gleaned from an alignment check. Framer Strategy: mafia railroads/advises DT to check a big town target with a lot of attention (for an example of this level of attention look at me in insane mafia) and then simply frame them. Pandain was effectively framed on day 1 of haunted and a DT checked him, because Pandain was an active poster but there was nothing scummy about any of his posts. It was a bad check. So beware of attempts to railroad you into checking certain targets especially if it happens in PM. I imagine myself, Pandain, LSB, and RoL will all be strong frame targets that is if they aren't going to be hit since they are likely to be checked. I'm not saying don't check veteran players, I'm saying check people you think are scum. Also DT's shouldn't claim if they find a red and definitely not in PM either. Build a case on that person. Read through their posts and seriously consider them. Read them as though they are mafia, what are they doing to hurt/mislead the town and does it make sense? They might be a miller (there are probably 2, that is the normal count) and they might also have been framed. When you checked someone and now they are mafia or are nearly certain you build a good case to get them lynched, you don't claim straight away because it's still possible the mafia won't hit you and if they do it become immediately apparent why you pushed so strong for a specific lynch which means the mafia have to do a lot of damage control especially if they tried to spread distrust/attack that DT. Show nested quote +On December 27 2010 18:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 27 2010 17:57 ilovejonn wrote:On December 27 2010 17:46 Ryuu314 wrote: Probably. I don't see how else the game could run otherwise.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. Anybody can see if you edited a post, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned. I do have close connections to people who can check pre-edited material if you are truculent. Please do not edit; this is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything. Make sure you read all the rules. =) Oops x[ I remembered after I edited hahaha. I \was basically gonna say that Coag probably couldn't be mafia as the timing of his ban would probably prevent him from making hits? But then I looked up the time of his ban and it disproves my theory. The timing of his ban should have nothing to do with what role he may or may not be. Or rather what role I may or may not be. I'm gonna say this about vig's: don't shoot until night 3 or night 4. As the game progresses it gets easier and easier to find mafia and that's when efficient town KP use becomes super important. Don't blow your hit early, you'll more than likely miss. Your goal is to not get killed. As far as this Pandain bandwagon Idon't see why that is. This isn't a mafia thing it's just stupid but he did roleclaim village idiot to me in PM before the game started, not sure what that means. Probably nothing because he's just bad. If he's scum I'll catch him pretty quickly so I'm not worried about him at all. LunarDestiny's posts so far come off as the most scummy but that's just barely, no good target has presented itself yet to me for the lynch so I'll vote for myself. My work schedule is unpredictable and I don't want to get modkilled for it. He posts good advice and lists his opinion, but he doesn't go all out and call people scum on day 1.
Probably the thing that unnerves me the most is he is now posting very offensively and often. Last he ran for mayor he was holding back a lot more: + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2011 13:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 13:28 Kavdragon wrote: Dr.H, your platform toted that you were really good at clue analysis, but you've failed to work on either of the two clues we've been given. Why is that?
Sorry, I don't mean to come off chainsawy with these last few posts, but there have been a few things bugging me, and I think that I can talk about them now. Because I've been playing Little Big Planet 2 and cleaning my room. I prefer to think about things thoroughly before I post about them. There is no point posting every half baked idea I might have about the clues and it'll just be cluttering. I have been working on and thinking about the clues, just because I haven't been posting about them doesn't mean I'm not thinking about it. I'll post my thoughts on it when I feel I have something to say that has yet to be said and that may actually lead somewhere. I just don't have any strong feelings about the clues. If I had to point a finger somewhere it'd be at OriginalName or Nemesis I guess. It's weak though.
DrH is good at playing offensive and town like when he is mafia. From Micro Mafia IV where he owned town hardcore:+ Show Spoiler +On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote:On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes In that game he was quick to point out other peoples bad play, and he was very active in the thread, much like he is here.
All this said I find myself agreeing with many of DrH's posts, he often posts what I was thinking. But I think his posting style is too alike to what I know as his mafia style for me to dare voting for him.
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Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town.
On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM?
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On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check
You are moving up my scumlist
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Medic protection for non-existent players for their alignment in a previous game, over veterans like DrH or Kavdragon.
Come on GM
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As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. My problem with it is you list a bunch of players, who are very unlikely to get targeted unless they spilled their role. Mafia hit priority is people who can sway town opinion against them first and foremost, and secondly blue sniping. Inactives aren't going to sway anyone. A bunch of the players you have on the list are not likely to get targeted by mafia, simply because they aren't that active.
I do like that you want to use the list as a discussion point, it's exactly the kind of pro town play I would expect from you, but you didn't bring it up like the list was for discussion - I thought it was part of your campaign, and on that side of things I'm much more interested in hearing some names for your lynch if you get elected, than how you will lead the town after you have been elected.
I do think it is a good idea to get some idea about who the candidates find are scummy and who they think are town, and medic/dt lists are a great tool for that.
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Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. Instead of fear mongering, why don't you tell us why you think either of them is scum?
My preference is town mayor and Protac pardoner, but I don't want to plant my vote on a third party in case something crazy happens while I sleep. If kita was actually running for mayor he would be my pick, since unlike GM I find Kita has actively been trying to push inactives and question people.
I have to vote before I go to bed, so GM I'd like to hear who you anticipate on lynching if you get voted in. DrH is still (probably) ON?
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It's so quiet...
##Vote GMarshal
Don't disappoint me, lynch an inactive/lurker please.
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Let's day one lynch one of the best analysts in the game on day 1 because he post too much advice! Ooops sry guis, lol!
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Perfect, more lambs to the slaughter.
Pro town drh would not be so quick to lynch off every active player in this game. I wonder how long it will take town to see that
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I posted why DrH was playing his mafia style earlier, and that's when he decided to change his playstyle and post helpful generic advice. He has been condemning kav and myself simply as scum, with no analysis. He even went as far as lynching kav day 1. I simply don't believe he would be this bad as town.
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For medic prot someone please protect coagulation. He is clearly town this game, and put up a fight against a retarded lynch.
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On April 12 2011 16:09 bumatlarge wrote: My apologies at the moment chaoser. I shouldn't baselessly accuse you by association. I will finish reading the thread now.
Kitaman, Barundar and coagulation are town. Yes? I most certainly am, and I believe GM is too. He has posted tons of stupid shit, but nothing I would call anti town. I disagreed with the majority of his reads, but that's entirely normal for him. Kita would have been my pick for mayor if he had actually made a real campaign instead of the pardoner campaign.
Chaoser could just be a townie misguided by DrH's scare campaign, there must be plenty of them voting for him. Besides he is contributing.
Now, here is who I would have lynched: Conversion
He has barely posted all day. He asked for advice as to DrH's town meta. His reason for voting DrH is just hilarious:
On April 12 2011 09:33 Conversion wrote: Well, I'll be frank. I don't like DocH. He comes off right off the bat as an asshole that was acting aggressively to draw responses, as some of you have stated (kav in particular) in your posts.
However, I am not going to let something so trivial deter my vote. He also taught me something, albeit small, most of you attempting to help have not by pointing out that my defense was not very town-like. I'm very confident that, after reading Doc's posts, DocH is green.
Though I disagree with his first lynch (kav), I feel like a more experienced townie in a mayor position would be more beneficial. I have not been able to read his past games- and no one answered my questions- so I'll take the word from a few of you that DocH actually does have an aggressive town meta in a few of his games.
With that said, ##vote DoctorHelvetica
He votes for DrH albeit "he doesn't like him". He blames his vote on a general opinion, trying to undermine his own credibility. This is a requiring theme from him:
On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends... He gets called out on the post regarding DrH and decides to switch. Again he blames his vote on general town opinion. Typical mafia who need other peoples reasons to justify their actions.
On April 12 2011 13:00 Conversion wrote: Why would mafia bandwagon a nonscum, or assassin, to pardoner? Someone explain this to me? More questioning to belittle his own influence.
All his posts screams: pay no attention to me, I'm just a quiet person who wants to further towns wishes. Lurker at best and mafia at worst.
DT check please.
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On April 12 2011 20:00 Conversion wrote: I'm fine with a DT check waste on me with anything. You'll get a townie read and, unless for some retarded reason you think mafia will make me godfather, no other information.
Yes I played rather poorly, but are you aeriously accusing me of being scum? Maybe I was too wishy washy with the way I voted, saying that I had the town's best interest, but whatever floats your boat.
I was only trying to benefit town with what I read in this shitstorm of a thread. Damn right you where wishy washy, you don't "like" DrH, and you don't think Kav is a good lynch, yet you vote for him. That's how scum tries to justify an action they know is anti town. You have provided nothing to the town so far, and have been voting after "towns" wishes over individual opinion. I'd be very suprised if you turn out anything but red.
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On April 12 2011 23:34 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote: Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that... The clues all point to you man. Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it. Not yet, but BB asked and I said yes, I'm guessing I will when he gets back online. Quite curious myself. So you haven't gotten your role PM yet? Just want to know if what you say is relevant for analysis.
And can people PLEASE put a [ spoiler] [ /spoiler] around big posts if they want to quote them. It's annoying to scroll down for ages to get to one line of content.
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I was roleblocked last night.
Reading up on thread. God I hoped pandain was just green .
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On April 13 2011 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Note who didn't get hit: bumatlarge chaoser kitaman27 jackal58 aidnai redFF
all potential power players or people who had very strong opinions/cases on day 1 that avoided death during the night. hopefully DT's got a hit last night and there will be a strong push for a good lynch today based off that. I would think any of these people would make great investigation targets.
Surprised at the choice of darmousseh, otherwise I'm not that shocked at the hit choice. If I'm mafia I'm thinking I want to take out big town talkers though.
Don't wanna WIFOM about it too much, but anyone who was a "big town target" that didn't get hit (there were no missed hits) is worth an analysis and a dt check. I'm actually quite relived that scum decided to blue snipe instead of hunting active players. It means they are helping us dealing with the inactives.
We should in my opinion avoid focus day 2 on killing our elected players, no matter how scummy they might look. It's the easiest way to have the town blow up itself, and quite frankly it's not unusual for me to suspect the "town leader" of being scum and being wrong about it. We have a bunch of people laying low, and neither of them is it.
Aidnai I'd love to hear your suspects and why. Same for you GGQ.
My top suspects:
Jaminez, you where very active in haunted mafia as green, I expect more of you if you are town. Looking forward to your posts.
Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot.
Conversion is still my favorite lynch target. Pressure vote.
##Vote: Conversion
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Oh dramaz!
First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim.
It seems all too convenient to me that he would A) Fake claim assassin over DT B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office. C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2.
I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response.
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On April 13 2011 16:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me: Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game. Works for me. Everyone should be voting for Coagulation. No getting around this one. Rofl ok let's waste a full day on this shit. Still looking forward to coags reply.
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What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum.
As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing.
Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote.
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On April 13 2011 16:51 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 15:57 Barundar wrote: Oh dramaz!
First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim.
It seems all too convenient to me that he would A) Fake claim assassin over DT B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office. C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2.
I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response. Like I said, claiming DT doesn't work. But I find it interesting how you say that it's "convenient" that I found Mafia in the first go when I didn't get elected to office. I am easily the best player in this game. Yet you seem to think that the Mafia are hiding well. I'm sure you didn't want to let that slip, did you? As to your third part, I roleclaimed while building a case, which is something you've either blatantly ignored or didn't notice. Obviously, you didn't read any of my case on Coagulation, did you? Didn't think so. We have Coag's response now. He's blowing up and getting desperate, so you can honestly just give up. Your defense of him is laughably transparent. Coagulation is nowhere near being pro-town. Why do you think that? Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try
I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green.
But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip.
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On April 13 2011 17:14 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote: What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum.
As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing.
Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote. Explain exactly how Coagulation has been pro-town so far? I think you're just making stuff up out of thin air here. Either way, if he truly is town, then why do you want to lynch me? It's obvious that if Coagulation is not red when he flips, I'm dead. Lynching me is a sorry excuse to save Coagulation. I didn't say I would want to lynch you? We could just let you die to assassins. My problem is we have to spend a day on this instead of scumhunting and pressuring people.
The thing that speaks for lynching coag is that if he flips red, it clears you. The problem with just letting you die to assassins is it doesn't say anything of coag's alignment. If you flip assassin, you would have just thrown coags name out there as a gambit, and coag could still be either town or mafia.
I found coag was holding back as well, and I honestly have a problem with a veteran role trying to hide.
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On April 13 2011 17:41 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:06 Barundar wrote:Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green. But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. You miss the point. Why would you find it convenient that I found scum? I'm flamewheel. I'm known for catching scum. This should come as no surprise to you. But since it apparently has, it's clear that you're hiding something. You apparently didn't read my whole case. It contains a lot more than you just said right now. But don't worry, we don't need your vote. There are 35 other votes to go around. You miss another point. As people have pointed out, its impossible for me to be Mafia. So why would you lynch me? And since if I'm wrong about Coagulation, the assassins will shoot me, there's even less reason to lynch me! You seem intent on saving Coagulation even if it's for one day. Why wait to see what I flip before lynching Coagulation? It's not like Coagulation is actually a good player... It's annoying that you are a post of mine behind.
I'll admit that more and more speaks for lynching coag and decide on you during night.
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On April 13 2011 17:48 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote: at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER.
hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP.
Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target? Guess you are talking about me? Because the most effective form of pressure is votes. When the lynch is already decided there is no real pressure on anyone else. This shouldn't stop us from lynching scum though.
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On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote: why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN. My problem is that I can't find a scenario where flamewheel can be mafia. And if he is assassin, he only has this one chance of trying to survive by guessing on a red, and he picks you. He is an experienced player, and of all the possibilities he chose you. This means there is a pretty good reason to lynch you, whether he is an assassin or DT.
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On April 13 2011 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 18:38 Coagulation wrote: Fuck that thats stupid as fuck DONT WASTE A FUCKING MED ON HIM. LET HIM DIE. I'm not saying "medics protect him" Can you calm the fuck down and turn off caps lock? This is all based on the assumption that there are TWO assassins and Flamewheel strongly believes you (over the much more black acting kitaman27) are the second assassin. You should be trying to convince HIM that you aren't the assassin, not US that you aren't scum. In fact, if you are so sure that he is the assassin and this is his gamble why have you not done that? You're preaching to the wrong choir here if you really think about it. Of course if you're mafia you have no reason to try to convince him. You'd know he was the detective you'd know he was right and you'd KNOW the only angle you can take is spreading distrust of HIM amongst the TOWN. If you were TOWN trying to avoid being lynched by a fake claim by the assassin I would hope you'd realize he's acting in his own self interest and would certainly spare you/admit his lie if you could convince him you were not the assassin and that he could survive Night 2. You scum hunting by guessing on the numbers of veterans and assassins in the game is making my brain hurt. Same when Rean comes and say Coag should die, no matter if Flamewheel is assassin or not.
Glad we have another 2 days to figure this out.
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The more I look over Protac's case, the more I disagree. He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. It didn’t look like kav was going to get lynched until the last minute vote switch by prot himself and chaoser. The situation 5 minutes before night time was:
1) GMarshal was ahead with no intention of lynching kav. 2) DrH talked about lynching me over Kav
Prot and chaoser last minute vote switch 1 minute before night time, and DrH posts his lynch post 5 minutes past. So protact’s argument is that coag should have convinced DrH otherwise in 6 minute.
The most blatant contradiction is how Protac says that Coag is useless and spam, when coag actively argued against lynching an active analyzer, while Protac himself got the active analyzer lynched.
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I'm not sure I agree with you chaoser that it's smarter to use a lynch on coag than to let protac die to assassin. But I agree with you that we shouldn't stop scum hunting.
Jaminez I want to hear your opinion on this situation and your mafia/town reads. Same for you conversion.
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Will you two stop it please and start pressuring people that are content just letting you fight it out.
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Anyone else notice how much easier it is to read this thread without DrH commentating on everything all the time? Way less emotional and hostile atmosphere.
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If you want to make an analysis cant you just [spoiler ] the quotes please? So freaking hard to read :/
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Thanks a lot GM.
I'm getting more and more tempted to vote coag. flamewheel got a point in saying coag hasn't done much scum hunting in this game. He has mainly been quiet, which made me put him as blue, but a veteran has no insensitive to avoid attention. flamewheel didn't seem overly concerned with not getting mayor yesterday, it could have been because his plan was primary to see the reactions to his assassin claim, and secondary to get the seat.
In any case, lynching coag now means clarity. If we decide to leave it to assassins, we risk them only role checking instead of hitting flamewheel, so we would have to deal with this situation again tomorrow. Coag is already outted, meaning if he is veteran, he won't be able to make use of his extra life.
The only thing that really concerns me with lynching coag now is we might waste another lynch, and day of scum hunting, but I guess the possible benefits outweights this risk.
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On April 14 2011 04:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 03:06 CubEdIn wrote:In all fairness, I came in as a replacement during the night, posted twice, and died. I deserve to live at least a day. I was suppose to replace Pandain, but he died too, so I'm now ON. Hi ON. A bunch of people suspected you day 1, but now suddenly think you are useful since you are called LSB. Have you caught up yet?
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Gotta agree with LSB here, mislynching our elected officials straight away is a great way to blow up the town. Both are active, we can deal with them later.
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On April 14 2011 14:37 GGQ wrote: Why I have a very hard time believing any DT claim in this game:
In the OP, it states that not every role is guaranteed to be in the game. I believe that the DT is one role that is not in this game. My logic is simple; there's no millers. The miller role has been replaced by the nosy neighbour; a townie that shows up at deaths to throw doubt on tracker/watcher reports. I think that a DT with no miller is too powerful, so we probably only have trackers/watchers as our information roles. So I have a tough time believing GMarshal is a DT.
Why didn't I bring this up for Pandain or Protact's DT claims? They were both obviously fake anyways... I figured I might as well hold on to this thought until someone claimed DT and was actually believed.
However, even IF GMarshal is a DT, his little thing with Protact really doesn't change anything in my mind. To me, it's always been clear that Protact is assassin and faked DT claim. The argument about lynching Coagulation is that the only reason for him to fake a guilty on Coagulation is that he's sure Coagulation will flip red. That's what he's depending on, and his analysis should be given some weight for sure. (There is an outside chance that Protact believe Coag is black and is trying to get us to lynch him, but that's been shown to be unlikely already and if so Coag's win condition would require him to claim black to survive a little longer). And I haven't seen anyone argue against Protact's actual analysis of Coagulation, only against his DT claim. I thought from DrH's posts that he understood this, which is why I find it very strange that he switch off Coagulation after GMarshal's DT claim. Pretty sure I'm the only one who has actually argued for and against the analysis of coag, based on analysis. + Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 23:52 Barundar wrote:The more I look over Protac's case, the more I disagree. Show nested quote + He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. It didn’t look like kav was going to get lynched until the last minute vote switch by prot himself and chaoser. The situation 5 minutes before night time was: 1) GMarshal was ahead with no intention of lynching kav. 2) DrH talked about lynching me over Kav Prot and chaoser last minute vote switch 1 minute before night time, and DrH posts his lynch post 5 minutes past. So protact’s argument is that coag should have convinced DrH otherwise in 6 minute. The most blatant contradiction is how Protac says that Coag is useless and spam, when coag actively argued against lynching an active analyzer, while Protac himself got the active analyzer lynched. The thing that talks for coag being mafia in my opinion is he hasn't been that active, and refuses to give out suspects, despite having a veteran role. Veterans are supposed to be vocal contributors so they can soak up a hit. Coag has been laying low in my opinion, and continues to do so.
If GM is indeed a DT,who got elected into office, then killing BG's will be a top priority for mafia before he gets too many reads off. I'm fine with you holding back townie reads, but please post if you find a mafia or an assassin so we can lynch them or let them die.
Don't switch to GM, that's just stupid. If he pardons coag we lynch/shoot both. Besides he claimed DT.
At the moment way too much points towards Protact lieing. In my opinion we can deal with coag by shooting him.
Wiggles is the only active poster I'd be ok with lynching, based on that huge useless wall of text.
Jaminez has been absent the whole day. Again, he was an active green in Haunted mafia, here he is just awol. Either he is scum, or he really doesn't have time to play this.
Conversion only comes out to post when I call him out, then goes back to lurking. He is active on the forum. But he did get modkilled for inactivity before.
I'll have a look at MetalFace's posting history.
And last but not least: Please don't claim unless it's absolutely necessary, ie. ~1 hour before you are lynched. I know it's tempting to claim because someone suspect you, and makes a case for you, but believe me it takes a lot more than that for you to die. All you achieve is drawing the role block off me. Besides the whole accusation process gives the rest of us time to judge both you and your accuser.
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I'll place my final vote tonight before I go to bed, but leaning towards voting coag. Flamewheel can't be red, so his analysis of coag has merit, whether he is black or blue. Coag has spend more time yelling "liar" at flamewheel than contributing, which could be because he knows the analysis is spot on. Coag is hardly posting to boot which is unlike his veteran claim. He seems way too content just letting others fight his war.
Will decide later.
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GM whats your opinion of Coag?
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On April 15 2011 00:21 GMarshal wrote: As far as the coag lynch goes, I am indifferent on it, as I said I have an absolutely null read on coag, as I see it he is playing his usual capslocked ranting style, which means that as usual his alignment is a mystery to me. I think a vigi shot is still a better idea as it proves him one way or another without killing him if he is town and allows us to use our lynch on someone else.
All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target.
Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them
Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum
I read your accusation of AO, and really you are just bashing all his posts. There is no discussion of them, you are simply looking for negative points. Looking for scum tells in every post is not behavior analysis.
I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
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@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
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@Jackal: You have solid argumentation and clear opinions so far. I guess the moment you aren't obvious town we should lynch you asap . I agree with your argument, my counter argument would be: But why did he pick out coag? He must believe in his case. That makes it worth listening to. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Coag we need to hear from you, if you stay silent you probably get lynched tonight. LSB you seem like the other major candidate, would love to hear your thoughts on coag/prot more than just: Lynch prot
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Going to vote coag. It's quite possible LSB is scum as well, but coag is way too happy letting others defend him. If he was town he would put up a fight.
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So I just woke up and was looking for the night post. Wth happened?
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So we are all switching to GM I presume? Do we get extra voting time?
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Jaminez makes for an excellent vigi hit, so we don't have to waste a lynch on him.
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AFK all day, last minute "placeholder" to avoid a modkill.
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On April 15 2011 14:30 Mig wrote: I have to assume Coag is mafia, I don't know what other reason GM would have had to just completely freak out. Yup, probably the godfather considering he wanted a "real" DT check.
What do we do with protac?
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Well if protact is going to die tonight, he will most likely use all 3 of his KP. So many dead people tomorrow...
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On April 15 2011 14:42 Mig wrote: Now that its night should we discuss who we think are town/mafia after all of this or wait until day so the mafia doesn't know what we are thinking? There is no reason not to scum hunt at night, any bit of extra time is worth it. Mafia love to just let the thread die.
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It's morning here I woke up at 6:00 AM now I can't go back to bed
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Well if you want to WIFOM medic lists, BG's are first priority protection, but chaoser is almost guaranteed town at this point...
(I know I said that about coag yesterday, but hey!)
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 02:19 GMarshal wrote: Alright people, time to seize the reins! We've been arguing in circles and thats allowing scum to hide in our midst, not only are we intimidating the new players, but we are allowing scum to through around FoS and create chaos, this is hurting us as we've been both fostering inactivity and allowing scum to hide behind phrases such as "I support Dr.H because he looks town". These bland statements dont form real opinions and allow scum to hide. People who have been downright insulting to other posters have not helped our case at all (Dr.H, Jackal, I'm looking at you). I'm rather aggravated by this atmosphere of non-cooperation and anger that these players have fostered upon the town. Also its pretty clear that the arguments for who should be mayor have been walked in circles, by now if you aren't aware of each of our platforms you need to go back and read the thread. So in the interest of forcing some of these less... vocal player to respond I've come up with a series of lists.
Presenting GMarshal's Lists of Life
Medic List - These are players who I see as essential to town success, players I think scum are likely to be trying to kill, since I doubt we have more than three medics I'll make the list contain 5 players, enough to avoid overlap, I also wont be including myself in the hope that I will have a couple of bodyguards covering for me, but otherwise throw me on please.
chaoser- it could be that I am just partial to him, but this man has a head on his shoulders, if we can get him into the lategame I would be overjoyed
DropBear- the guy is really new and seems to be trying, ideal target for an intelligent mafia to hit
redFF- I know he is new, but he has been vocal and trying to get the town to do what he feels is right, scum might feel pressured by his being vocal so giving him a shield is a good idea
Tackster- yes, I know he's been quiet, but he was really, really pro-town in Insane 2 starting day 2, so I'm hoping he is just having a delayed start this game
Jackal- yes, jackal, he has great endgame play and people dont credit him enough for it, if I get to lylo I want him with me
DT List -these are the people I find scummy enough to merit investigation, so please DTs send a check his way and see what they come up. Add me if I'm not elected, really all mayoral candidates need a check
Coagulation-He is freaking unreadable, give the man a check
Kavdragon- He has some really scummy posts, give him a looksee
Dr.H- he is hard to read too as he is an usually aggressive player , likely to be the GF if scum though, so take your results with a grain of slat
Pandian- "I'm a DT, Wait, no I'm not!" enough said
aidnai- has been lurking I expected more from him, I would like to know his alignment
Monster- nothing needs saying (i think he is a better target for trackers though)
ON-nothing needs saying
Trackers-trackers are special in the sense that they can track scum and not get a result if the scum isnt being sent out to preform the hit. Any inteligent mafia team is going to be sending out its less experienced, and thus less likely to be tracked players to preform the hits, so even if they are tracked they are less of a net loss for the scumteam. So this list contains mostly newbs and inactive players
Lemonwalrus M0nsterChef Serejai Mig TranceStorm Eiii Monster
Watchers- you guys are like medics who catch scum, so you need to threaten the scum by watching vocal and active players. Look at the medic list and use that I still find the names on GM's initial medic list interesting. Guess I have a reason to suspect you now Jackal . Congrats to us, talk to you later.
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If only you had been laying as low as kenpach
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yeah was just about to say:
redFF was just temp banned for 30 days by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2010-11-08 09:10:09 and had 632 posts.
Reason: "You won't be missed idiot." as your latest contribution to this site amongst a host of personal attacks, aggressive posting, contentless posts, image macro's, bad grammar and spelling let alone punctuation and proper capitalisation and that's where we enter the domain of 90%+ of your posts being nothing but youtubes or non capitalised and punctuated one liners or single world posts.
Please take this as a very last chance to participate in this community. When this ban runs out we expect you to substantially shape up your posting quality. Thought mods ignored this forum ^^
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Didn't like the last comment either :/ it's not like people haven't been trolling in games here before.
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Thanks rean for clarifying that
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Is Milkyst modkilled for not posting/voting for a full cycle?
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Yeah I think the game is still on. And mafia, don't give up. There is still 7 of you, and I'm sure some of you have gone undetected. When we start mislynching town morale can drop fast, leading to a bunch of afk people, making it will get very hard to find the last of you.
On the plus side, a bunch of people I was suspicious of before I'm now sure is town (HI DRH).
I'm not certain protac is an assassin:
1) Claiming assassin to judge reactions and use that as a rough filter for who to focus on sounds like the kind of gambit Ver would pull off as town.
2) The timing of the DT claim was off. He claimed as soon as day post hit, which means a) that he could have just gotten the red check back. b) He was certain without using the extra time of day before making his case. In other words he didn't need to analyze behavior any further to be certain. If he was an assassin that only had one shot, he could have used that extra time.
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So much for trying to keep assasins off protact by calling him a dt...
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On April 16 2011 14:32 Mig wrote: Wait what sense does it make that barundar was roleblocked again? If we assume they only have 1 roleblock since only 1 person claimed night one why would they not use it on m0nster who claimed tracker? Dunno, maybe they thought he was watched? Hopefully i was watched .
So, am i still the only one suspicous of conversion/jjaminez?
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On April 16 2011 14:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 14:32 Mig wrote: Wait what sense does it make that barundar was roleblocked again? If we assume they only have 1 roleblock since only 1 person claimed night one why would they not use it on m0nster who claimed tracker? That is weird. Zork, monster claimed he tracked you night 1 and you didn't go anywhere. Does this make sense? I find it hard to believe mafia would just have him claim that out of nowhere and risk being an insta-lynch. Then again, I thought monster claiming tracker was well-known stuff, which makes him the obvious RB choice. Doesn't make any sense, unless mafia is exceptionally silly. I guess GM being elected as pardoner is starting to clear things up. Probably the remaining five are not vets, or at lest the shots aren't being made by experienced people. An obvious solution! There is no roleblocker and barundar is mafia. Why not have someone claim it? Then why monster wasn't RB'd instead makes perfect sense, because he could not have been. And in case something comes up, they only have barundar claim. Well, I haven't done analysis on him, but based on that, I wouldn't hesitate lynching barundar to see exactly what is going on. And now I have something to look forward to again! And let me just point out how bad this post is. He A) ignores every possibility of monster lieing, of scum suspecting me of blue, and of them simply being afraid of trackers. B) wants to lynch based on meta guessing mafia’s action C) proceeds to argue to lynch for information
That post was so bad i expected better from bum.
Let me point something out about scum. GM must have been one of their most active players. With him gone we should see someone new step up to the plate and mislead town. Watch out for changes in activi based on that.
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On April 16 2011 15:03 bumatlarge wrote: Surely you won't deny it's possible barundar. I don't see why you stand out as a blue more then other people I could pick out. It seems to be a popular pattern of scum to RB the same person, but when there is a claimed blue you don't kill, you are fairly obliged to switch to them. I really don't care dude. Don't try to meta guess mafias actions and base your assumptions on it, thats just horrible play. You know nothing of their motives or of what they know.
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Yeah bum, when i hear something retarded like "i wouldnt hesitate to lynch barundar to find out exactly whats going on" i get pissed off. If you have a problem with my play crtizise it or analyse me or whatever, but don't give me shit for informing town of a roleblock 2 days in a row.
Going to vote conversion. He is lurking hardcore and show no sign of wantong to help town forward.
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On April 16 2011 15:36 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 15:30 Barundar wrote: Yeah bum, when i hear something retarded like "i wouldnt hesitate to lynch barundar to find out exactly whats going on" i get pissed off. If you have a problem with my play crtizise it or analyse me or whatever, but don't give me shit for informing town of a roleblock 2 days in a row.
Going to vote conversion. He is lurking hardcore and show no sign of wantong to help town forward. If its lurkers you're worried about why do you pick conversion? What about kevconsim, Milkyst, or metalface, to name a few people I would consider lurkers. I'm not sure it's a good idea to start lynching lurkers because it probably won't tell us much whatever role they turn out to be. I have made a case against conversion a few days ago, since then he only came out to defend himself. Can write up the case later, but for now he needs to get pressured.
Milkyst completely misunderstood the mayor vote and hasn't been seen since. If he was scum im sure they would have told him how wrong that is. Besides he should have been modkilled by now for being afk since.
Kevconsim is always lurking, but i feel he isn't lurking as bad as when scum in insane mafia. I have for the most part ignored him though.
Jaminez is missing from your list, i voted conversion over him because of your defense of him
Metalface is our bg no? Or is that the tracker claim?
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I made a nice fat green question avout modkilling him during the night and it was ignored
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And stop calling me scum or town based on things that has nothing to do with my posts
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Yup we now lowered their kp to 2. This really means we can hunt lurkers today, we can afford a mislynch and we don't want to bring lurkers to lylo.
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Conversion and DTA town? Mind me asking why?
DTA placed an early vote on coag, but was part of the surge on to LSB. It's clear LSB was the mafia alternative to coag yesterday. Conversion has only come out to defend himself.
Cubedin really haven't posted that much since he came in. I want to see more of him.
Robellicose and Trance, I'd love to hear more from you.
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Lol you aren't informed if you are the BG?
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Ok, I'll put my thought out then. It's not hard for mafia to plant a vote on coag when everyone else does. Aidnai opposed listening to Protact and he was town, so did LSB.
I'm suspicious of the people that planted a vote on coag with little to no reasoning. 'Specially if they switched to LSB or argued for switching to him later.
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Conversion I'm not put in this world to tell you how to play as town, but here goes: You ask what to do to not look suspicious. My answer is, you have to stop worrying about looking suspicious, and post honest thoughts. Don't wait for me or someone else to call you out first. What I want is opinions, and the more you are willing to discuss said opinions with reasonable arguments, the more I believe you are town.
One of the things coag as mafia had a time with, was never say who or why he suspected someone.
It's never beneficial not to lynch mafia. But you have to try helping town weed out the scum. If you do that I will take my vote off you.
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And everyone else, we might be in a good spot, but this is by no means won yet. Inactivity has lost many games for town before after a good start. We have a bunch more information now, so even if it's discouragingly long, please try and go re-read some of day 1 and 2. I promise you will see things in a new light.
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After actually following my own advice and read the thread I will be taking my vote off you conversion. But please, contribute .
##unvote ##Vote Jaminz
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On April 17 2011 02:41 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 14:24 Mig wrote: Was anyone roleblocked last night? I believe barundar is the only one who said he was roleblocked n1. I was roleblocked. I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up.
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On April 17 2011 04:20 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote:On April 17 2011 02:41 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 16 2011 14:24 Mig wrote: Was anyone roleblocked last night? I believe barundar is the only one who said he was roleblocked n1. I was roleblocked. So there were at least two roleblocks tonight. Which is strange considering that (as far as I know), Barundur was the only one who said that he was roleblocked after night 1. Did someone not claim that they were roleblocked on day 2? It's possible a dead person was roleblocked and killed the same night. You're not allowed to give vital information in your "death post". So there's been less than 1 page of discussion since last night and it looks like people are already deciding on Jaminz? Are we just going after lurkers now? I'll post my suspects tomorrow when I'm not drunk out of my mind.
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On April 17 2011 05:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 05:15 Barundar wrote:On April 17 2011 02:41 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 16 2011 14:24 Mig wrote: Was anyone roleblocked last night? I believe barundar is the only one who said he was roleblocked n1. I was roleblocked. I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up. Are you suggesting that M0nster selected a townie at random to claim to track and hoped that he did not leave his house? Or do you think red is his scum buddy? If the game is stacked with blues, then 2 role blockers is not out of the question. I have no idea. All I know is I was roleblocked again.
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Only I claimed roleblock first day, so yeah I'm leaning to only one roleblocker on scum team. I was roleblocked again today and announced it. You know I'm a smarter mafia player than to trade myself 1 for 1, so I have no reason to lie.
I'm very tempted to lynch m0nsterchef, his tracker claim came out of nowhere yesterday, and today he claims roleblocked and say nothing else. Remember how he was suspicious because he placed a vote on GM without writing in thread? His justification is poor, completely ignoring DrH's candidacy, votes GM because he considers lynching Kav, yet sais nothing of why Kav should be lynched.
Good more stuff coming up when I'm done with it.
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On April 17 2011 11:51 DropBear wrote: As I remember, you were on the elect Marshal train. You were also never on the lynch Coag train. You're making me nervous Barundar. You should go re-read. Yes I voted GM for mayor, and yes I didn't believe protac straight away. I did vote coag at an important time however, where everyone else was starting to bandwagon to LSB.
On April 17 2011 11:51 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 05:15 Barundar wrote:On April 17 2011 02:41 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 16 2011 14:24 Mig wrote: Was anyone roleblocked last night? I believe barundar is the only one who said he was roleblocked n1. I was roleblocked. I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up. Why is this beneficial exactly? It's beneficial to trade town for scum one for one. Basicly I'm saying m0nster must be lieing, because I was roleblocked night 1 with no other claim, leading me to believe there is only one roleblocker. Yes it's possible that scum forgot to send in a second roleblock on night 1, but m0nster doesn't have the cleanest record in this game. If he hadn't claimed tracker he would be one of the top suspects.
Looking at my schedule I won't have time before past midnight tonight to do anything about anything, so I can't finish my cases. Here is my shortlist of suspects:
jaminz - hardcore lurker, as myself and mig pointed out he was posting radically different in Haunted Mafia. m0nsterchef - possible fake roleblock claim, hardcore lurker. Kevconsim - mostly spam, see kita's analysis. DarthThienAn - very experienced player, lurks a lot, albeit also as town. Was part of the LSB counter bandwagon. DropBear - Not finished with the read through. Robellicose - voted for GM with a post only arguing against DrH. Jumped on DrH's suspicion against mig without reason, and asked for lynch on pandain without believing him to be scum. Not done with reading through. Kenpachi - it's kenpachi duh.
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Well at the moment I'm tempted to vote kevcon, simply because it looks like jaminz is getting modkilled
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On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so should we kill barundar then
2 roleblockers? Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1.
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On April 19 2011 14:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 15:22 Barundar wrote:On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so should we kill barundar then
2 roleblockers? Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1. If there was a host mistake I hope they own up to it. I see no reason not to lynch you. Already asked. There was no mistake. 2 roleblockers.
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So AO, if you DT checked jaminz, time to claim.
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Did you get any checks off tonight kita?
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Doubt you will get an answer on that. I only asked if there had been any mistakes with roleblock notifications yesterday.
I voted DropBear, bum you might as well claim since kita outted you.
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Guess we can let them both explain themselves first.
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On April 19 2011 23:22 kitaman27 wrote: DropBear is indeed lying. The person I watched was not hit. Thus, it is impossible for the nosy neighbor to visit. Boom, headshot. What about tonight kita?
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Well I wasn't
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Guess my scumlist is down to
DropBear DarthThienAn Conversion Kenpachi
Would put jaminz up there if AO didn't completely discard the option -.-
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On April 20 2011 00:06 chaoser wrote:lol...did dropbear really say i was mafia? Hilarious. Me, the one who 1) pushed hardest for prot's election 2) Was on GM's ass since day 1 3) Immediately voted Coag when prot claimed and believed him, fighting vehemently for coag's lynch 4) Even said throughout the game that I thought LSB/ON was mafia thus had the motive to shoot lol...nice try dropbear. Show nested quote +-I am a regular townie. If I was visiting M0nsterChef then I must be a Nosy Neighbour. lol...kita never said he was watching monsterchef and nosy neighbor randomly visits so you wouldn't know anyway, FAIL. Not to mention we usually lynch miller/nosy neighbors anyway since we can't prove a nosy neighbor/miller claim and they could very well be mafia. Unless the person has been playing extremely pro town we gonna lynch lol. You have not and you got caught in a lie. Lawl. I think kita said he visited monsterchef, but DropBear didn't realise kita claimed before night post, so the checks he talked about was the night before ^^
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^Coag 2.0
You want me to claim even though I got RB'ed 2 of 3 nights?
I find it curious how RB went off me when I removed conversion from my scum list =)
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Guess I might as well
Normal townie, LOL roleblocks ^^
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On April 20 2011 03:44 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 03:41 Barundar wrote: Guess I might as well
Normal townie, LOL roleblocks ^^ explain your list. You pissed off your name is on it? Would like to see your suspects
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I’m not going to do a full analysis but I can put up the reasons I believe Urashimakt to be town. He has gone awol lately, so anything to analyse him on is basicly based on the first few days.
He argued quite a bit against GMarshal. He opposed the pardon strongly, and argued against the DT claim. I would not suspect scum to cast doubt on GM’s DT claim straight away:
On April 14 2011 11:14 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 11:10 GMarshal wrote:On April 14 2011 11:08 urashimakt wrote:On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make.
I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? The whole case that's been made, starting last night with DrH's evaluation, is that whether Prot is black or blue, he is banking on Coag being red. So whether Flamewheel has detected him as red or analyzed him as red, people are trusting in his need for Coagulation to be red. I don't see how this mindblowing tidbit changes anything. I am really starting to think that you are undoubtedly desperate. This info is useful to mafia because it would give them a better idea of whether he's black or blue, just to be sure. It proves absolutely nothing to town. On April 14 2011 11:03 GMarshal wrote: too late liar, I already nailed you to the wall. There's no squirming out of this one. Your case that he didn't want to tell you whether he was goon or roleblocker is not nearly as convincing as you think it is. The only reason I think we should consider not lynching Coag today is to lynch you instead and see what happens to Coag/FW during the night. you go on the invisible people list too, seriously, how the hell do you fail to see the relevance of this? flamewheel dosn't even know how the DTs work! Which means he is LYING! It means he didn't tell you. All he has to do is lie about it and there's no way town would know whether he's telling the truth or not. You made a rash ultimatum within a few minutes and, when he decided to ignore your demands, you snapped and played a pretty brash card. If you actually do turn out to be town I'm a little disappointed that a veteran would make mistakes like this.
He even does analysis on GM: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 09:26 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated. It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals. I think it might be worth noting. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 14:43 urashimakt wrote:Do bodyguards flip bodyguard when they die?I'm not going to be placing my vote on a lynch target until some of the veterans post their take on the situation over the next day, but I felt like posting why I'm most suspicious GMarshal now that we're out of the night. + Show Spoiler [Asked for specific night actions] + Also Blue list coming
Medics
Jackal- I want him lategame
Chaoser- he is thinking, even if he is wrong about me, I want a wolf not a sheep
Bum- same as chaoser
tnkted- looked pro-town to me
kitaman27- he argued against the assassin and seemed generaly helpful to the town, protect the man
DTs
bum- as much as I like him he's come in throwing alot of accusations, I'd like for someone to know his alignment
ON- we could just lynch him, but if he isn't scum I dont want to waste a lynch
redFF- Kav suspected him, he needs a check
Barundar- Dr.H top suspect, a check is called for
Conversion- duh
Lattomi- last minute vote snipe and lurker, going to consider lynching as well
Trackers
jaminz Milkyst MetalFace M0nsterChef AirbladeOrange Mig
As far as I can tell, asking for specific night actions was/is detrimental to town. It openly tells red who they should avoid hitting or visiting, just in time for them to do some night actions. It is worth noting, though, that he suggested using a medic on tnkted and tnkted still died. I'm still not convinced that's a point of absolute redemption. Jackal58 posted a protect/watch list on page 81, but it was pretty generic and just listed veterans as what appeared to be a suggestion. Also worth noting for people better at analysis. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 03:19 GMarshal wrote: So I guess you all decided to throw away the extra 24 hours we have?
I'd like to see some opinions on things, some accusations, something!
Who do people think are the best DT targets, who do they think medics should protect?
Does anyone find my list entirely disagreeable?
GMarshal seemed very favorable to the idea of continuing the open town discussion on "who should mafia not bother hitting tonight?" He stated his stance on this before the game started, but some time after role PMs had been sent out. GM's quote bolded as follows: + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2011 10:20 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 10:10 GMarshal wrote:On April 09 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i dont talk at night
i think silence during night is the best policy for town I completely disagree with this statement, I think the additional 24 hours of information are really valuable, its like extending the day by 24 hours. I dont think the additonal information we end up giving the mafia that way outweighs that at all. I mean look at Ver's analysis in XXXVII, they were all posted at night. I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly. These are actions I considered pretty suspicious. I'll be reading what the better players have to say about the night occurrences later on today before I place my own vote.
He voted for protact and got yelled at for it by coag, but stood by his vote with no wishy washyness:
On April 12 2011 13:05 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:03 Coagulation wrote:CAUSE HES NOT ASSASSIN HES MAFIA. IT WAS A FAKE CLAIM TO GAIN CRED ITS SO SAD. LOOK AT THIS SHIT On April 12 2011 12:59 urashimakt wrote: As mentioned a bit ago, I'm switching my vote back to Prot now that he's here.
##Unvote DrH ##Vote Prot 100% Wishy Washy Last minute scum bandwagon switch. Hes gonna pretend to fucking vote DOCH LOL And switches at last second. BUT HE SWITCHED TOO SOON THIS IS A LAST SECOND BANDWAGON TO GET MAFIA MAYOR. It's fine if you accuse me, but please calm down. I moved my vote from Prot because it was a couple hours before showtime and he was probably going to get modkilled. Now that he's here, I still support him for pardoner. I don't have anything else to tell you beyond that.
In my opinion he was pretty clear town in the start. Lately he has been a lot less vocal and I would love to hear more from him (pretty solid start imo), but I got a pretty strong town read on him. Especially devaluating GM’s fake claim gambit seems like a clear town move.
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It annoys me that we had 3 kills tonight but no vigi claim.
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My guess is conversion is the second roleblocker. I did nothing good day 1 and still get roleblocked, guess it was my case against him during the night that did the trick...
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Since there isn’t much to talk about during night, I thought I would run some numbers.
8. Kenpachi 9. ilovejonn 11.chaoser 15.TranceStorm 18.urashimakt 22.The_Roist 23.kitaman27 24.Lanaia//bumatlarge 25.jaminz 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 29.AirbladeOrange 30.MetalFace 31.Barundar 33.redFF//Zorkmid 39.Conversion
16 players remaining total. 3 mafia.
This is the worst case scenario, with no medic saves and only mislynches:
Night 4: 13 vs 3 – current situation Day 5: 11 vs 3 - Mislynch Night 5: 10 vs 3 Day 6: 8 vs 3 – MYLO if DrH is mafia Night 6: 7 vs 3 Day 7: 5 vs 3 - LYLO if DrH is dead/lieing about being a veteran Night 7: 4 vs 3 Day 8: 2 vs 3 – LYLO if DrH is veteran.
What this means is: Basicly if DrH is town, mafia have to gun for him. Otherwise he is able to win the game alone. All the mafia has been pretty confident about their chances though, so I’m a little worried here.
If we mislynch tomorrow, we can effectively mislynch DrH at no cost for extra information.
If we hit 1 more mafia, town KP=mafia KP, making our odds pretty good. In that case we could lynch DrH to get 2 extra days in case he is mafia.
Thoughts?
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Actually the scenario where DrH is veteran isn't true. It would go
Day 8: 2 vs 3 Night 8: 2 vs 2, mafia hit DrH Day 9: 2 vs 2, Night 9: 2 vs 1 mafia hit DrH again, DrH dies Day 10: 1 vs 1 mafia victory.
So it's basicly
Night 4: 13 vs 3 – current situation Day 5: 11 vs 3 - Mislynch Night 5: 10 vs 3 Day 6: 8 vs 3 – MYLO if DrH is mafia Night 6: 7 vs 3 Day 7: 5 vs 3 - MYLO if DrH is town
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On April 22 2011 09:02 Kenpachi wrote: \o\ so where is everyone well i tried to keep thread alive... gn
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BB got mindcontrolled by the busdriver.
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##Vote Conversion
shorter day is fine by me
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I'm fine with lynching DTA as well.
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Considering I'm the only one who has voted I'd suggest 48 hours....
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And come on guys wake up, this game is stupidly dead. Don't screw town over by going inactive.
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Yeah we can afford to mislynch. But since both of you are outted now you might as well do a full list of your "actions" for further reference.
Also stfu doc.
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permission to edit please.
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Yeah I just realised my post can be a bit offensive, which there is really no need for. I'll leave it for BB to decide.
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All good then
Jaminz it's you we will take a look at if AO flips green/blue ^^. If AO is red, DrH is most likely town, considering AO was the only one who thought he could push for DrH through my purely mechanic posts.
Funny how AO refuses to call jaminz a lieing scum even when jaminz pegs him as mafia. Curious to see how this works out.
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Again please post your full list of actions.
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Nope the 100 % certainty of Jaminz + the comment on the nightkills + "confused" when he gets red checked all looks like scum.
AO was living on the fact GM spend most of his time trying to get him lynched. Well played GM if AO actually is scum.
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On April 24 2011 01:15 AirbladeOrange wrote: So why am I the only one claiming role block? Bumatlarge was obviously roleblocked so they could kill Kita...
Why would you track Kenpachi if you vote Conversion straight away? Wouldn't it make more sense to check if Conversion went and killed anyone?
Full list of actions please. You might as well...
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Well since I think I just caught you in I lie I'm pretty certain you will flip red. Your team should consider throwing in the towel, since your KP will be reduced to 1. You have to cut yourself through a ton of townies to win, and we can kill you at the same rate.
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I'd add kenpachi to your list chaoser, but more importantly mafia has to chop through a bunch of townies, starting with jaminz, bodyguards, drh, you, and then the rest of us, before they even have a shot at winning. And we kill them at same rate.
So really, if AO flips red, mafia should just concede so the next games can start...
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Fair enough. Same logic works for conversion with regards to AO though :/
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I'm not talking about AO. I'm talking about conversion. Me and AO was the only ones voting for conversion before Jaminz claimed, and AO voted for him yesterday as well. I doubt he would bus conversion at this stage of the game.
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I'll just quote chaoser's post and place my vote every day ^^
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Yay :D
GG all, thanks for hosting BB, I had a laugh.
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So urishimakt was the vigi that never claimed?
edit: DTA is very experienced as scum!
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@scum team I think you would have gotten better off killing players that had a clue (bum/kita/chaoser and very late jaminz) than sniping blues. Yes blues are powerful, but without strong town leaders they can't get good checks or protections off, and lynches can be mislead. You should have killed those players before they became a threat, and dealt with the blue threat through more planned fake claims and lategame roleblocks + kills in my opinion.
Blue sniping can be demoralizing for the town, but you also hit a good amount of suspicious bored townies with what looked like a carpet bombing of the low posters. When I saw the hitlist early on, I thought we where dealing with an inexperienced mafia team, at least most of my suspicion against DrH dropped, because I know he hunts active town players relentlessly.
This is of course just my opinion and I'm sure other's differ .
Oh and I did absolutely nothing good except not getting lynched this game. Gief survivor role please lol.
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In my opinion you should have just let town mislynch jaminz. He is exactly the type of player that town would lynch over his actual check just because of the amount of suspicion against him.
Urishmakt hit a town with his bullet I think?
But whats done is done
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So who the hell was the vigi that never claimed? I must know!
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