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Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks! | ||
tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On May 06 2011 13:30 iGrok wrote: Regarding the Bullet-proof townie Miller role: This was town's failsafe. This is the guy who should be drawing all kinds of hits and never claim unless checked. He can claim a blue role, do awesome scum analysis, w/e, just draw the hits and make the game last longer. That's his goal. I thought tnkted did pretty well as it, even if he didn't draw any hits. Yeah, I had seriously considered claiming blue but GM and Bum both claimed first and I absolutely did not want to let either of them counterclaim me. I was thinking about claiming medic but decided against it since I wouldn't be able to protect anyone and I didn't want to say "oh i protected this person" and then have that person die. GG, well played mafia. I didn't think san was scum at all! | ||
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote: Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_- I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose. | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote: I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose. It was one of those things where everything had to come together for it to work right..... And it did..... And it made the entire town look foolish. | ||
Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote: I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose. I thought when I told you "I hope you die" that was clear enough :D On May 07 2011 03:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yeah. For the record, I never thought San/Ace were town 100%. I should've just tried to lynch one, but I thought I could wait because BB was the third. I was actually thinking they were pretty scummy on the last day, where San kept coming in with Ace to push things, but I thought it was a bus, so I didn't say anything. Oh well, I haven't played green in like months, haha, so I'm pretty bad at it. I'll take responsibility for town getting raped. :p Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks! If you thought it was a bus should have pointed it out. Just an FYI as something I do when I play scum, since it's done on purpose to deal with people that play town by vote and motive checking. When I'm scum and you should try it when you're Scum - get your team on different "sides" of the town. This game it seemed like myself and sandroba were "allied" to Wiggles at one point, in agreement with Impervious later on, and never in agreement with bum or Jackal. This is a simplified example since the game was much more fluid than I suggest but I hope you get the point. As town one of the best ways of catching Scum is grouping people based on what they agree on. Which is why sometimes you'll hear me say something about generating discussion like policy lynch or believing someone's claim. Once this happens then you can make sure that people's votes follow what they said. Then it also becomes easier to look at motives. For example: If bum and Jackal largely agree on bum's claim, then Jackal votes for bum, or doesn't vote for someone who disagrees with bum that doesn't have a good reason to then Jackal "stands out". As scum this is why it's helpful to get multiple players on different sides especially when they can argue: In the event someone gets caught in the "wrong group" if their motives and reasoning match their votes they just appear to be a townie that made a wrong play. All in all THIS is why of all the things in the game the one thing no one can argue about is where they placed their vote. If you're town and you have extra information then use this to pin Scum. If you're Scum before you vote just make sure your reasoning holds up. If the town has Vigilantes that look to votes or likes to hunt by eliminating players in a group you'll be sorry. | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 08 2011 03:52 Ace wrote: I thought when I told you "I hope you die" that was clear enough :D If you thought it was a bus should have pointed it out. Just an FYI as something I do when I play scum, since it's done on purpose to deal with people that play town by vote and motive checking. When I'm scum and you should try it when you're Scum - get your team on different "sides" of the town. This game it seemed like myself and sandroba were "allied" to Wiggles at one point, in agreement with Impervious later on, and never in agreement with bum or Jackal. This is a simplified example since the game was much more fluid than I suggest but I hope you get the point. As town one of the best ways of catching Scum is grouping people based on what they agree on. Which is why sometimes you'll hear me say something about generating discussion like policy lynch or believing someone's claim. Once this happens then you can make sure that people's votes follow what they said. Then it also becomes easier to look at motives. For example: If bum and Jackal largely agree on bum's claim, then Jackal votes for bum, or doesn't vote for someone who disagrees with bum that doesn't have a good reason to then Jackal "stands out". As scum this is why it's helpful to get multiple players on different sides especially when they can argue: In the event someone gets caught in the "wrong group" if their motives and reasoning match their votes they just appear to be a townie that made a wrong play. All in all THIS is why of all the things in the game the one thing no one can argue about is where they placed their vote. If you're town and you have extra information then use this to pin Scum. If you're Scum before you vote just make sure your reasoning holds up. If the town has Vigilantes that look to votes or likes to hunt by eliminating players in a group you'll be sorry. That's good advice, thanks. I need to practice scum-hunting, because like I said, I haven't been town for long in a game for months it seems, I'm pretty rusty. :p | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
I don't think I made any mistakes in this game, based on the info I had, so I'm pretty happy. Sucks that it turned into such a one-sided affair..... | ||
Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
This was a great learning experience. Good game guys! | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
Depending on who claimed vet, I was actually going to counterclaim their vet claim, and play for the lynch of Ace and whoever it was. Sandroba was one of the people I had a town reading of at the time, and when he claimed Vet, I was far more certain that both were legit claims than fake claims. It was a brilliant play, and it worked out really, really well. | ||
Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
And, if it failed, well, we just proved that we would have lost anyways, so what would it have mattered? | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
So how does the town pick out who is Scum? And it does matter. Even though you lost it wasn't like we rampaged through the town. When GGQ died it just so happened that I already had a fakeclaim ready AND sandroba fake claimed. On May 08 2011 04:57 Impervious wrote: I wouldn't have pushed for your lynch, I would have pushed for sandroba's lynch instead. I could easily argue that the worst case scenario of him telling the truth would be a lynch of a townie rather than a vet, and we would confirm the undercover agent role at the same time. Explain this would work out? I think I know what you're saying but I need to see the scenario played out. | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4932 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
Your role had a bunch of holes in it, and sandroba's claim was essentially ripped off of another mafia game (I had a writeup and name of the role ready, that was related to the game at hand), and without the actual death of GGQ, I wouldn't have bought it. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. | ||
Impervious
Canada4119 Posts
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