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On May 19 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:Hi Ace Just sleeping like every night. It should have been apparant from the way I was posting in thread that I didn't take VR, but given how much your pushing, I'll assume you actually did check me last night. Here's the thing, if you know my role, which I assume you do, you shouldn't even need to question me. You should be saying " ahhhh, I see, I understand certain things now". You get what I'm saying? Yes, I didn't take vote-rigger, and that was a risk if mafia went for it below me(and then rigged the votes; obviously I would get held accountable). hmm, originally I was going to say more here Ace(and Fishball), but have edited most of it out. Lets be smart. Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 13:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And guys, I'd just like to let you all know I'm king today too. :p Ver, does the politician have to post in the thread with their ##nuke or ##lynch target? I've been assuming this is the case, but now i'm not so sure. I think this guarantees us a politician. A kingmaker on it's own it at worst a nuisance for town, at best a useful double lynch. Combined with a politician it is massively nasty. There is no way mafia would take Kingmaker without a politician, and no way a townie kingmaker would make Mr. Wiggles the king. Do people disagree with this hypothesis? Mr. Wiggles, I'd like for you to cast your vote right now for KillerSOS. If you do not, I think we will almost certainly lose a pro-town player to the politician. From my understanding, the king lynch operates like a dayvig, so if you use your power now, it's gone and there is nothing for the politician to use. If people want to call me scummy on this, that's fine, but it's the smart play.
I know what your role is and thanks for the explanation but I really want to know why you didn't follow your own plan?
Secondly don't tell Wiggles who to vote for.
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On May 19 2011 22:04 GMarshal wrote: Is it morning already? Cool.
Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters
KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel
two are scum and the rest are town or cleverly disguised mafia. I know I'm town, which means we should lynch into one of these five today: Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. If there were any alignment checks in there then we can narrow the lynch even more.
I'd ask we keep all discussion and votes focused on these five candidates, and if wiggles would be so kind we can lynch Chezinu and only have four people to worry about, some of which we can actually analyze
Also if there are any medics in play, a protect would be *really* nice tonight
That is all. Carry on.
(also apologies for vanishing last night, computer issues + craptone of work = no time for mafia)
And of those 6, Flamewheel and Caller are at the top of the draft order. Since Scamp died and FW claimed to have been hit last night I think we can guess where the next hits are going.
Incognito is once again back in the pot. Let's be serious here. InfiniteStory gave a good breakdown of his Day 1 posting, and several players have questioned his behavior. We even said the Kavdragon lynch was wishy washy and to top it off he's found on a list check with Scum votes according to GM. All that theory about "Mafia laying back and not being active" is now out the window. Once again bullshitting. Vote him off. Now.
On May 20 2011 01:11 Foolishness wrote: Also, can Ace confirm that Radfield doesn't have some anti-town role? You (Ace) made it sound like Radfield picked some terrible role that only hurts the town, in which case we need to be killing him tonight.
Depends on your definition of anti-town and what the circumstances are. Whether it's anti-town or not isn't the case here and I never commented on anyone's pre-determined "anti-town" lists.
The fact that he is high up in the draft order and made a plan that he didn't follow, combined with his sketchy play Day 1 makes this an issue. His answer to my question was pretty bad and I expected something more.
On May 19 2011 23:21 dreamflower wrote:As I have been relatively quiet this game, I'm hoping to make up for it now by mustering my courage and actually building a case against someone that I've been suspicious about for much of the game: Ace. This seems especially timely now that people like bumatlarge are starting to believe he is pro-town. Kavdragon has already done a little of this here, though he ruined his own point by vacillating at the end and saying "I don't think he's Mafia." I, on the other hand, think Ace is most likely Mafia, after having reviewed his posts in the game for the tenth or so time. Besides, even if my case doesn't make much of an impact, I hope the simple act of sharing my thoughts about who is Mafia should help town in the long run, if only to give other scum-hunters more help in determining my alignment for themselves. As much as I can, I'm going to avoid evaluating Incognito's play so far and concentrate on Ace's responses to him, which I have found very telling. He has very loudly and noisily attacked Incognito for being scum and urged everyone to lynch him, but when pressed, his only reasoning was, "Incognito made some weird posts at the beginning of the game. He was the first one to point fingers at someone." This reasoning makes little sense to me, considering that, first of all, everyone in this game has made random posts at some point. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? What about KillerSOS, whose contributions have been largely one-liners with little thought or substance that I can find? Or anyone else who has been lurking? While Chezinu does have a reputation for being off-the-wall, this isn't a PM-allowed game where he can justify his public inanity with private ingenuity. At this point, his cryptic posts are just cluttering up the game without contributing anything comprehensible to us readers. Yet, Ace doesn't even mention Chezinu, despite the fact that his confusing posts far outweigh Incognito's. Instead, Ace's insists on going after Incognito despite his own condemnnation of people who make accusations based off 1-5 posts. Second, while Incognito's posts started out puzzling and dubious, he's since given us a wealth of thoughts, player and role analysis, and ideas. While the merits of his vote-checking plan remain in doubt and his Kavdragon read turned out to be incorrect, Incognito has undeniably been active and thoughtful and has put a lot of effort into analyzing roles and the strategies that lets the town put them to use. However, Ace never actually addresses Incognito's more substantial recent posts or criticizees the points he makes about either vote lists or Kavdragon. He avoids saying anything definitive about anyone, aside from half-heartedly criticizing people voting for Barundar. At one point, he actually agrees with Incognito about Kavdragon being timid, then inexplicably switches his vote to Radfield amid the chaos before the lynch. As far as I could tell, Ace's entire reaction to Incognito's vote-list-arranging plan and accusation against Kavdragon was more of the same that he was already posting before: a big picture of Leonardo DiCaprio, with a cute nickname for Kavdragon and another unbacked claim of Incognito posting as town, without any further reasoning behind it. Speaking of Radfield, Ace has recently started attacking him without any reasoning either, as far as I can tell. Aside from calling him sketchy once, he hasn't given any reason for now attacking Incognito and Radfield with equally rabid fervor. I admit I think some of Radfield's priorities in his early "Town Pick" and "Town No-Pick" role lists were a bit skewed, but I haven't seen anything else from him that makes me suspicious. He too has put a lot of effort into trying to help guide and lead the town, analyze fellow players, and back up his assertions with good reasons. Yet, Ace is now claiming he is scum as well. Why is Ace picking on the two most active, hardworking, and analytical players in the game, who have both done their best to offer pro-town plans? Why hasn't he offered more than one-line analyses of either of them? For that matter, why has he rarely posted more than one or two lines at a time at all this entire game? If anyone would like specific examples of Ace's posts to support my points, please let me know and I will go find them and quote them. I don't like Ace's play at all this game, because he supplies so little reasoning to support his accusations of strong players while totally ignoring non-contributing players like Chezinu or KillerSOS. Either he is just being lazy and skating on his name and reputation, or he is Mafia trying to pick off well-known players. So, today, I will be voting for him to be lynched.
Review them for an 11th time. Amazing you come out with this when we've got a vote list checker with 2 Scum out of 6, your boy Radfield on the wax and Incognito about to go down in flames. Trying to steer attention away from them much? You keep trying to throw Chezinu and KillerSOS's "lack of posting" into the mix as if I'm supposed to be watching them. I know what I've seen from Incognito and it is not good.
Bet $20 dreamflower picked Mad Hatter.
As for you bolded thats completely untrue. Being Active and "hardworking" doesn't make you pro-town. Should we give the citi.zenship Award to everyone who points fingers? And my case for Radfield is very well grounded. If you notice I haven't called Radfield scum yet or even cast my vote on him - you're saying things that didn't happen. I'm just waiting for Radfield to explain himself even better. If being pro-town in your words is creating plans then Radfield is in trouble as he didn't follow his own plan.
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On May 20 2011 01:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 16:53 Node wrote:Let's talk about Foolishness. + Show Spoiler +He's done nothing of consequence. He's maybe tickled Incognito a couple of times, but the majority of his posts do two things: 1) Complain. 2) Nothing. Here's his latest big ol' post. + Show Spoiler +On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 10:08 Ace wrote:On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote: I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. It's a classic case of saying a lot while not actually saying anything. He champions analysis while doing none of his own, he shoots down the vote checker plan that nobody's been attempting for a day, he prods ace and says that he's got better things to do, but what those would be is anyone's guess. The only concrete contribution that Foolishness has had to the game is his frequent needling of Incognito. It all boils down to, "Incognito wants to win with blues but no analysis", which, granted, would be a bad thing if that was what Incognito wanted. He's constantly been saying "analysis good, do analysis", but has yet to become the change he wants to see. What raises my suspicions even more is that people are willing to say that he's worth defending (hint: he's not). People that I currently don't trust have been softly aligning themselves with Foolishness for reasons that I don't understand. For instance, Mr. Wiggles has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight:
Role-Checks:
These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list.
Flamewheel Scamp Caller Barundar Radfield GMarshal
Alignment Checks:
These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on.
Barundar Node Tnkted Incognito Radfield Ace
Vig-Hit:
Deconduo
I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable.
Medic list:
These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2.
Caller bumatlarge Radfield Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness
This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up. quoth Radfield: On May 17 2011 04:59 Radfield wrote: I agree with everything Foolishness is saying. Radfield also has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote:So much for 100% eh Incog.... On the bright side, this lynch hopefully gives us oodles of information down the line, once incog and Barundars alignment flips. On another bright note, Incognito won't get targeted by mafia tonight, so in the event he is town he'll probably survive the night. Unless of course a townie shoots him, but if that's the case so be it. Mr. Wiggles, I very much disagree with your rolecheck list. There is a list of roles in this game that no townie should be caught dead with, so we want to use our rolechecks to try and ascertain alignment. Checking the people at the top of the list gives us very little information regarding their alignment. The top 6/7 all have an excellent excuse(whether legit or not) for taking an anti-town role. No one else on the list has that excuse. Anyone with a role check should be looking at whomever they think is scummy lower down on the list. If they have a scummy role(a role on the no-pick list) then they're probably mafia. I really hope someone does an alignment check on Barundar. Even setting aside my suspicions, he was assigned caller gf or cpr doc, so knowing his alignment is very important. Other players worth an alignment check: Flamewheel Infinitestory? Incognito Mr. Wiggles Chaoser dreamflower Players worth some medic protection: Radfield Bum Caller Ace - probably won't get picked off though foolishness - if town he likely has a defensive role anyways GMarshall - there are heaps of suspicion on him, so he is unlikely to get hit Scamp, as inventor, should get a skiff of medic protection Anyone else dying wouldn't be terrible at this point. I'd like to stress that flamewheel doesn't belong on any medic lists, or townie lists. He has done very little to contribute to the town this game. Besides, assuming he is telling the truth about JOAT, I'm pretty sure he can protect himself if he wants to. Inventor(Scamp) should be passing the vote-list checks either to whomever they have the strongest pro-town read on. Chaoser, despite finishing his interviews(his pre-tuesday excuse) still ended up contributing basically zero to the discussion. Simply popped in and voted Incog. Pick it up Chaoser. + Show Spoiler +Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. ##Vote Foolishness Well of course I'm complaining. Yesterday the town fell into the hands of Incognito and his big ego. And I'm always going to be around to call bs on a player who claims blues are going to win us the game. I thought town was in a terrible situation last night given how easily Incog was able to sway everyone to vote for Kav. Granted I expected 3-5 people to die at night instead of 1. Chez says I have a scum agenda, would like to hear what that is (even though we all know that ain't gonna happen). At any rate, we got 2 mafia in a list of 5 (remember that you're one of them). Of course I'm going to vote Wiggles kill Incognito, but I'll settle for Chez as well. I don't think many people will have an objection to killing Chez so it's probably best for Wiggles to just kill him now before another role is able to step in and do something about it.
I say we vote Chezinu off and let Mr.Wiggles kill Incognito. After yesterday I really don't trust most of the town to think clearly. They've been reading posts but ignoring actions, and even looking at other games as if it's evidence as to whats going to happen this game.
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On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke ChezinuEveryone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler +Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield?
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Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list?
See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game.
But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents.
You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town?
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Well, thats that then.
So why did you nuke Chezinu with no discussion from anyone else? That's a bit hasty isn't it?
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Thing is I dont think you read a lot of posts except for the one post calling Chezinu out by dreamflower. You just so happened to nuke him without any discussion. For someone who's been calling himself the pro-town savior all game long that is VERY out of character.
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Only thing getting old is your gimmick.
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On May 20 2011 06:47 Radfield wrote: Whatever Incog's alignment, shooting into those 6 players is great for town(and shooting Chez in particular). If Incog actually turns out to be America, we should not lynch. As long as he is willing to off anti-town players, it's a boon for us on the whole. If he ever does make an anti-town play, or even a questionable play that he tries to talk himself out of, we lynch. The way Ace is talking he'll shoot him tonight though.
Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim....
Wiggles, where did you go. Lynch node if you pop in in the next hour, but i'm going to go over Caller right now, and may or may not make a case. I originally had him as town, but I seem to recall him playing fairly semi-lurker when he's mafia, and he's been quite quiet this game. Nothing sure yet though....
I have my suspicion because of your Day 1 plan. I mean you can't even give me a decent reason for why you didn't follow it? But don't role claim, I could have said what your role is myself. For now we'll drop it.
I'm not going to shoot Incognito just yet. I still don't understand how anybody is buying him nuking ANYONE as a pro-town move. If you're a suspect and you nuke someone who is also on the suspect list then of course it's going to look like a "good move". I'm shocked some of you are actually buying this.
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I think IS is the only one that understands what I've been trying to say. This is just TOO convenient.
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Well Chezinu is the obvious Scum for sure. He didn't even attempt to defend himself so that's 1 down.
I still think Incognito is the other Scum. I've already said it but I guess people expect some giant post which I won't do. It's very simple. Incognito has a role that was discussed earlier as a role a townie shouldn't have, and now he says "oh but Scum wouldn't be caught with this role, so it means I have to be town!" - um no. As I've always said Scum will do whatever they think furthers their win condition. If it means picking a role that shows up as Obvious Scum but they can WIFOM you to death and get away with it - they'll always pick it.
Secondly this is just too convenient. Like I said he immediately launched the nuke at Chezinu with barely any discussion about it. No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Come on people read the thread because this is bad play at it's finest. If he really is pro-town then why didn't he wait for input from anyone else or even discuss the other suspects?
As for this lets lynch chaoser train it's the same thing as the Barundar train from yesterday. Shoddy reasoning and people not reading just going for the random lynch. Where is the analysis that chaoser is Scum?
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What Foolishness did in Mafia 37 belongs in Mafia 37. If you've got 20 games of Foolishness always playing the same style as town and then drastically altering his play style then I'd take his "change" serious. People play different from game to game even with the same alignment.
Besides IF Foolishness is Scum then why go after him right now? This list of suspects with 2/6 being mafia has to be cleared up first.
As for KillerSOS I don't have a major opinion about him as I've pretty much only concentrated on a few sets of people so far. I understand the argument about him is that he's been useless or inactive. If thats the case well thats why we have a King Maker ^_^
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No I won't agree to that. I'd rather trust our votes the way they are right now because we don't know if Scum have a protective role or if a sympathetic townie will save him. Let him be lynched.
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@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them.
@FW: Needless to say I don't agree on your analysis of what a Mafia America would do.
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On May 21 2011 04:32 Incognito wrote:
The reason why Ace should be killed is for political reasons. Yes, you try to kill scum. But when townies are obstructing reasonable discussion and blindly pushing their own agenda, you have to get rid of them simply to clear the atmosphere so you can start afresh and see the game through a new lens. In this game, I messed up in the beginning, and had to relook at the game all over again from a different perspective. You can't really force someone to do that, so when it seems like they will drive the town into the ground (yes, Ace holds enough sway in this town that people WILL listen to him), they need to be eliminated. A clear town with one less member is better than a confused and lost town with an extra member. This has nothing to do with Ace annoying me. If it did, I would've nuked Ace instead of Chezinu. Note how in Red Army Mafia (the bang bang one) I didn't eliminate Ace also even though he was being super obnoxious. He was pretty much doing the same thing he's doing now. Not sure if we should have killed him in retrospect, but in this game I'm feeling that Ace is off the right track.
wut? From Red Army Mafia
On August 17 2009 09:22 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 08:14 coltrane wrote: who killed me?
I told yoou since day 1, dont trust ace. What? Ace was one of the biggest contributors to the Town. As the field marshal, the most likely way he could die was by getting lynched, so he did his best to stay on the Town's good side, by contributing against the mafia. No one suspects him, and the fewer mafia there are the smaller the chances all his bodyguards get killed. He never did the town any harm.
Town won that game with my help. You must be confused about what happened.
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On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote: @GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'.
We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense.
Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave?
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chaoser has been active in the thread.
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Well if we wait to clear out the list then who is the Scummy chaffe? Chaoser, KillerSOS and Node?
I agree that there probably does exist a Framer or GF or something to mess up reads. If enough people speak up and say they don't find anyone other than Chezinu scummy then we may have to re-evaluate where to look and that would resolve that GMarshal's list got tampered with.
But whether it did or didn't happen it doesn't clear Incognito's scummy actions. That imo is the lynch pin to this entire thing. Even on Day 1 when I unvoted him I was tinkering on him just being borderline scum and messing up my read. But the quickness with which he nuked Chezinu just doesn't add up to me.
Other than that, if we look elsewhere the case against chaoser doesn't make sense. KillerSOS is the safe lynch since he's been lurking and is probably best left for the King lynch. This way we can somewhat do "both things at once" - normal lynch for the GM list, King lynch for the chaffe.
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On May 21 2011 08:11 kitaman27 wrote: Wiggles, will you be around to use your kill at least three hours before the lynch? That should give us enough time to switch based on the results. I would suggest lynching into the kav group.
It's Incognito and KillerSOS imo. One from the Kav group, the other from the "chaffe" group. Either way they are the top 2 vote getters.
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hmmmm something fishy is going on in that voting thread. Just like yesterday with the last minute wagon on Kav, now everyone is "convinced" KillerSOS is the right lynch over Incognito. I don't like this at all.
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And I think if it's that simple then some of them are definite Scum. If KillerSOS gets lynched and doesn't flip Scum that will be the second day in a row the same thing happened.
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