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Well... THAT was awesome. /sarcasm.
Well I have tomorrow off so I am going to reread all of xkcd's posts and the posts interacting with him. I knew it didn't make sense for him to invest that much into an analysis as mafia.
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Haha wow. This is so bad. if iGrok won and should have been lynched then not it is revealed xkcd is DT. So he's dead next night cycle anyways, but we get to see if everyone else was right about iGrok or not.
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EBWODP: "...lynched then it is not..."
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Here are my thoughts on grush57: Sorry, I know some of this has been repeated.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 04:12 grush57 wrote: Im not inactive, I just dont feel like anybody can accuse this early. This is grush57's first post. It is already 13 hours into the game and he begins by saying we should not accuse this early. Funny how a hour hour previous to that he had voted for Freeloader. On June 06 2011 04:21 grush57 wrote: Yea true, I stupidly joined the bandwagon to lynch freeloader from his posts. He defends his vote with this weak argument but has yet to change his vote. More on this later. On June 06 2011 09:02 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:42 omgCRAZY wrote: As the day goes on we will separate the lurkers from the inactives and that is when we will be able to start to piece together how everyone is playing. I am more interested in the people NOT talking than all of the people pointing fingers right now. Says the person with only 1 post so far? The game has barely started. Huge analysis have been yet to be made and grush57 has already stopped reading the thread. On June 06 2011 09:10 grush57 wrote: Oh, sorry, only checked back a couple pages. On June 07 2011 05:05 grush57 wrote: ##UnVote: freeloader625 ##Vote: gtrsrs So now grush57 decides to finally switch his vote. By this point the freeloader lynch has basically fallen apart. He switches his vote to gtrsrs with this explanation: On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote: I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched. Therefore, I vote gtsrs. Now I don't have too much problems with this except that there is really no content that comes with it and it looks like he is coming to the defense of iGrok who we now know was GF. On June 09 2011 00:34 grush57 wrote: ##vote: amazingxkcd Here is an interesting vote. At this point rookie44 is dead and all the suspicion is now on xkcd. Treadmills huge analysis on xkcd was recently posted and no one would question his decision to vote for xkcd at this time. But here is his reasoning. On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote: Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. Not a very strong argument and he does not give any reasons other than xkcd not responding to accusations which looks like he was jsut away from his computer and/or catching up on reading. We can also now assume that the 3 consecutive votes were a crazy coincidence. Grush57 does not reference Treadmill's huge analysis at all and with his previous history of not reading the thread I would not be surprised that he barely skimmed the entire thing. On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote: Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. This is an amazing case,I can't agree more! Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF. Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me. Kurumi calls him out for the same thing; a poor argument. Grush57 responds very badly to the pressure and has a little tantrum. He tries to justify his lurking but does not actual add anything to his analysis of xkcd and keeps his vote. On June 09 2011 04:35 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote:Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo. Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote:@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie. Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo? Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57? I don't think grush57 is scum though. His justifications have been really bad, but at least he is attacking certain people. Look at his accusation of gtrsrs - why would he do that? There was no heat on gtrsrs at that moment whereas mafia members want to slip unnoticed and draw attention by attacking others. Plus, this post doesn't sound like a mafia response at all: Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote:On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote: Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. This is an amazing case,I can't agree more! Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF. Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me. Sounds to me alot more like a bored green than a mafia trying to cover their tracks. On June 09 2011 05:18 grush57 wrote: Alright guys, I'm sorry for my previous posts and I'll try to be a little bit analytical now(or however you spell it). I was just frusturated of everybody jumping on every little thing of my posts. After the pressure was stopped on him and TranceStorm contributed a small defense for grush57 he responds saying he will be more analytical later on. On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote: So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was).
So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. Here is his first attempt at an analysis. The talk has switched from Freeloader a long time ago and there is a lot going on that he could discuss but he decides to go after the people who stayed on Freeloader before the rookie44 lynch. What?!? All of these players were almost silent for the last part of the day and could have very well been afk. So his guesses are 4 people for not switching their vote to rookie44 or xkcd and gives no other reason. Then he goes on to say ,but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. wishy washy much? On June 09 2011 06:43 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:26 blackone wrote:On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote: So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was).
So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. The bandwagon at that time I voted freeloader (and posted why I did) was rookie. If bandwagoning means being one of the few people not wanting to lynch the doctor, I think it's a pretty good thing to do. Yea, but you could also be bandwagoning another blue. I... uh... what? Now he thinks blackone is bandwagoning freeloader because he is a blue? Where did that come from. Now grush57 is just confusing me with his poor defense and idiotic accusations. On June 09 2011 07:07 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:55 grush57 wrote:On June 09 2011 06:40 supersoft wrote:I going to vote for iGrok now. I believe he's scum. For several reasons. First reason: I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now. To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day: Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok. Now to the differences between these three players: Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches. Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid... iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi. ___________________________ iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF. Second reasonThis shit convinced me + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want Trust me that it's smart and good: No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players. The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused. Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though. Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players. Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear. So, he is the most passive, which could also mean he is a blue and then later in another post, you try to get other people to bandwagon with You. Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue, but u do have good analysis of those players. Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum! i didn't think of that possibility that he's blue to be honest. On June 09 2011 07:14 supersoft wrote: But I don't think he's blue. If he was blue, somebody else must be the leading mafioso. I don't believe, that there is no mafia member that tries to influence the town. Can't be all lurkers. I named the other two persons, and I believe I am still correct with my accuse.
It's not like I say he must be GF because he said: "blablabla" I say he's GF because the other two that come to my mind are in my eyes innocent. On June 09 2011 07:20 grush57 wrote: Yea, I don't really think he would be blue either. I wanted to get this whole conversation because it blows my minds how wishy washy grush57 is. First he DOES defend iGrok and accuses of supersoft trying to get a bandwagon on him. He suggests that iGrok may be blue and then quickly makes sure to point out that he is not defending iGrok. Then after supersoft says how he believes iGrok is not a blue grush quickly agrees. Why the quick turnaround? On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote: ##Vote: amazingxkcd You gotta go far,kid. Not. Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something? I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached. Joining on bandwagon without explanation, Puny Rat. You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation. Another attempt to defend iGrok while accusing Kurumi. On June 10 2011 06:34 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:On June 10 2011 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote: haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-) Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either. Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF. On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote: ##Vote: amazingxkcd You gotta go far,kid. Not. Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something? I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached. Joining on bandwagon without explanation, Puny Rat. You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation. What's the goal of your post? seriously, are you feared that you could be the next? Why does it bother you, if Kurumi pressures ppl that don't deliver an explanation for their votes? On June 10 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote: I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now". Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face. Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured. exactly. Scum wants to bandwagon quietly, when it's already too late to shift the process. Just stating what happened, not pressured or feared at all, just sayin something. Here he feels the need to say something so he doesn't get accusations of not responding. All he did was quote the entire conversation... He also feels the need to point out that he does not feel pressured or in fear at all. ScummyHis last post is on June 10 2011 @ 13:23 and he has not contributed at all since then. I believe Grush57 is scum. He does not handle pressure well and I think at the moment he should be out lynch. ##Vote: grush57
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EBWODP: Of course grush57 would post right before I do. Anyways everything I said is still valid and his response only reinforces that.
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I will post some analysis in the morning. Have the day off so I have lots of time to dig. ;P
My current list of suspects are:
1. Munk-E 2.aprudds 3.Alderan 4.Vain
I was highly suspicious of Treadmill until some of the more recent analysis of him which has made me reconsider.
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I was working on an analysis of aprudds after reading some of Munk-Es posts which increased my suspicion of him but after going through his posts he seems like a town to me. I also would like to point out that aprudds (and others) made some good arguments against Drazerk. I would like to see some discussion out of him. For now I will ##Vote: Drazerk until we get some more discussion today.
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EBWODP: Although I voted for Drazerk I really just want him to speak up more. Even though he did vote for iGrok and I cannot see a mafia voting for him with the votes so close Kurumi's points are still valid and we need everyone to contribute so that we can pick out the mafia easier.
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Hmm. I never noticed the medic comment. I am convinced for now. I definitely think our 2 mafia are in that list so it is just a matter of figuring out who is scummiest.
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I think AnxiousHippo is 35spike1
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Well I made an analysis of Munk-E earlier last night and was just going to hold onto it until some discussion was going but looks like that is not going to really happen so might as well not let it go to waste even though everyone already knows Munk-E is scum.
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Here is an analysis of Munk-E as he is one of the people I think is scum and I have not seen an analysis of him done (probably because he rarely posts).
Since he posts so rarely I may as well do a post by post analysis. Here we go!
1st Post + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 04:20 Munk-E wrote: Looking at the people who are being voted for, here's my analysis.
-freeloader625 I think we're being a bit too hasty having him have with most votes. Sure his defenses were flimsy and irrelevant, but the reason we voted him in the first place was because he wasn't sure of the rules. This is a beginner's game, so I don't think this alone should be enough for a lynch.
The fact that he has, however, been flimsy with his defense leads me to believe that we may have gotten lucky accusing him. Another thing is that he continually cites his experience with SC2 mafia. I don't know if any of you played this, but it's not very difficult. You have 1 minute days and it is random lynching most of the time. Now it is possible to pin his poor defense on the easier mafia game, but I don't think that's really relevant at all. The poor defense is either caused by he is mafia, and a bad liar, or he's town, and a bad player.
I don't think however, that asking about the rules makes him mafia, and besides, if he was mafia, he would know the answer to the question. If we pretend he's really good at this game though, he might ask the question just to attempt to show inexperience and therefore be less likely to be lynched. I do think though, that if he were experienced, he would be able to foresee the fallout of his question. Therefore I think that he is just an inexperienced player looking for answers of how the game is played. That also is probably the reason his defense was so bad.
-lafali This one is interesting because he only has 2 posts. Both not very informative. One of them patting aprudds on the back, the latter accusing him because of something that happened far before the first earlier post. he voted freeloader at first, RIGHT before his second post. But an hour after he accused aprudds, he unvoted for seemingly no reason, and has yet to vote.
lafali is acting awfully suspicious, but I don't think that 2 short posts is quite enough information to judge him on. However, keep an eye out on him, he does seem rather suscpicious.
-aprudds He seems like an honest scum-hunting citizen, and his only vote so far is by pyo for the reason "aprudds - for a really arbitrary out of nowhere accusation". His accusation was reasoned by him, and he even stated it was partially just to get the discussion started. Honestly, he has been the most scum-hunting of us, so I think he's very town.
-TheAwesomeAll Considering this vote seems like a joke, I don't have much to say. First of all, it wasn't nearly his first post, as monsterDraker said, and furthermore, it wasn't even anything that bad, it was just facts. It does lead me to be suspicious of monster though. He voted because the post "annoyed" him. He seems WAY to hasty to vote. His first post comes 15 hours after the game has started. This could very well be because he was just afk since he did not post anywhere else in the forums until that time either so nothing scummy about that. We know for sure that 2 out of the 4 in the list are mafia, 1 out of 4 town and 1 is still up in the air; aprudds. It seems like he is working at this point to look pro-town with some analysis. But all he does is agree with the current consensus and does not add anything to the discussion. Notice how he decides all of these are too hasty to vote or they are town (again, following the current consensus). He is wishy washy on Freeloader, switching between calling him mafia and a noob town, this is an attempt to make him appear as though he is a townie when in reality it screams scummy play. For lafali he is doesn't want us to vote on lafali but keep an eye on him. An attempt to appear pro-town and not step on anyones toes while passively defending his mafia buddy. In his "analysis" of TheAwesomeAll he tries to defend scummy play (useless lists that were innacurate). He says it is too hasty to vote for him (at the time I agree but now his motives for defending TheAwesomeAll are suspicous). His analysis of aprudds is the most interesting one here I believe. He could be defending his mafia buddy or trying to look pro-town again. At this point in the game, no one (except Pyo) has voted for aprudds and he does not really have much FoS on him so I do not see why he feels the need to defend him the second he gets voted against. aprudds also wasn't showing amazing town behavior at that time either so choosing him to follow to look pro-town does not make sense. The fact that he believes that aprudds is very town just makes me suspicious of aprudds and makes me believe that Munk-E is defending another one if his mafia pals. Overall I think he is attempting to look pro-town without adding too much (he does not want to commit to saying someone is scum) and trying to divert attention away from his mafia buddies.
2nd Post + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 12:40 Munk-E wrote:Is anyone else suspicious of lafali? I mean he has said nothing to help anyone with his posts! He has 3 real posts. the first one is this. Show nested quote +Good catch by aprudds. A townie wouldn't need to know that information. However, he could be new. There are 40 people in this game though, so its not like its mylo. This was about the whole freeloader incident at the beginning. This post is no help at all. He starts by complementing aprudds for his "good catch", and then immediately says why it may not matter. This post did nothing to help at all. His next post is Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote: With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.
What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes. His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours. He says "It's a 40 player game" again. and then clarifys what he means by saying "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches." Now this is obviously scummy behavior. Saying this could only imply that mislynches aren't so bad. What's worse is even after he gave his incredibly scummy opinion, he said "Regardless, we should continue scumhunting" this is the complete opposite of what he was implying and feels like he kind of just tacked it on there to not seem as scummy. even after that, he says "We do have 48 hours" this again somewhat reinforces my analysis about his quote earlier about mislynches not being so bad. It's saying that we shouldn't worry now. Also in this post, he mentions just hopping on the bandwagon. At the time of this post, he DID just hop on the bandwagon. 10 minuites earlier, he was the 3rd person to vote. an hour after he voted, he unvoted seemingly unprompted with no explanation. He has yet to re-vote. This behavior seems pretty scummy. I'm guessing that the mafia PMed him and told him not to unvote freeloader, as he was drawing suspicion to himself. This post is filled with contradictions and scummy behavior. His 3rd and final post is this: Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:02 Lafali wrote:On June 05 2011 18:16 Kurumi wrote:On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote: With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.
What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes. His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours. Yeah,two SHORT posts about his SC2 mafia experience,fishy as heck."I hopped on voting bandwagon" What? Only Scum bandwagons. "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches" WHAT THE FUCK? No,we can't afford mislynch for the sake of mislynching. Someone gives red vibes? WE LYNCH HIM. Someone made dumb question once,while Scummy Rats like You run around and we should lynch him? I will drop Treadmill for now,because You're infinitely more scummy than him. I'm new to mafia forum games like this and mostly used to smaller and faster-paced ones where taking a risk on a mislynch is pretty common as long as the game is not mislynch-lose. The subsequent posts from treadmill seemed fishy and people started to vote for him and at that point he was the only one looking suspicious to me. However, after reading more into the thread it seemed like a bad idea to vote so early, and it would be better to wait for any tells, and then on day two, cop reports. Here, he is being ULTRA defensive. along with being, again, completely useless. He first states that his previous experience with a different form of the game leads him to believe that mislynches are okay. He is saying "mislynches are okay, and here's why I think so" again. Next he mentions that he finds treadmill fishy. He gives no evidence for this at all, and the only reason he even mentioned him is because kurumi said he was more scummy than treadmill. his purpose in mentioning treadmill was to get kurumi to not vote him. He next says that voting early seems like a bad idea, despite the fact he was the 3rd to vote. And finally, he seems to be expecting DT to reveal himself tomorrow. Note that he hasn't posted since this when people, including myself, started attacking him. I guess they forgot about him, but he definitely seems the most scummy to me. ##VOTE lafali At this point in the game. Rookie44's death is almost ensured. With amazingxkcd coming in a close second. If Munk-E is mafia and knows that both aren't then he has no reason to put himself in a position to get called out for bandwagoning. Better yet he FoS' one of his mafia buddies that has already had some suspicion placed on him so that he looks pro-town without really putting lafali in any real danger. He may also know that lafali is not active and is most likely going to be modkilled. Look at our hero, calling out and voting for a mafia! ...NOT! Also note how he never actually engages in any of the current discussions going on at the time. Scum
3rd Post + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2011 12:24 Munk-E wrote:Xkcd is the obvious choice here. He RARELY gives analysis (besides his big anlysis post, but that is just a means of accusing jackal, more on this later) and most of his posts are blind accusations or heavily defending himself Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 06:34 amazingxkcd wrote:You seem to be in a position to defend rookie44 when he has made quite a lot of scummy posts, particularly trying to take advantage of noobs to slip up their roles with What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way). Also, notices how already from the start of the game, he is asking for roles and wanted to lynch Treadmill without any sound proof besides making a suggestion about the freeloader wagon being loaded with mafias Would it be a legitimate stratagy if we lynched treadmill with the thought that he and some other mafia got overzealous with voting for freeloader? Here, he is making assumptions about what the mafia should do, which is trying to divert attention away from him. It seems like if someone got a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to start the game, and would be much more active in the very beginning. This is a mafia game for less experienced players so maybe that means there will be some metagame mistakes? for these reasons and the ones given by jackal58 as well as kurumi, i am voting for Rookie44 on the basis of clear scummy post and trying to divert attention away from himself with circular logic ##Vote: Rookie44also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum. This is xkcd's post about his vote for rookie. Note that he did vote for him within 2 minuites of senj and 5 minuites of kurumi. This is obviously not coincedence as the last accusation of him was a half hour earlier by jackal. Also very importantly note that This was posted after all 3 of them voted! Now this has to require some communication. I'm not actually sure about kurumi, because he voted first quoting jackal's argument. But the other 2 hopping on almost immediately shows that they were trying to start a bandwagon. My speculation is that jackal may be mafia, and was waiting until someone (kurumi) voted for rookie at which point his mafia buddies would strike. Both are VERY likely mafia, but I think xkcd is much more likely as he voted last. Also, this style is very different from all previous posting of his. This is his first attempt at analysis, which makes me wonder if someone else wrote it for him. This is xkcd's 1st real post 1. Show nested quote +It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it Note that he NEVER told us who he was talking about, and the fact that he mentioned people from “both sides” makes me think he KNOWS both sides. Whoever the “main talkers” are for all we know, they could all be mafia or all be town! Now look at the rest of his post “ The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it”. This is obviously just some generic “i'm not mafia” phrase tacked on to the end. He's mafia, and he's not good at it. Another interesting one Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 10:30 amazingxkcd wrote: Ebwop; this is directed at impervious
Also, drazerk is looking like a scum now that i start to evaluate him more in depth. I will do more work to see if i should switch my vote to him if impervious gives a proper response. He never did analysis of drazerk. His only real anylsis is again of rookie which furthers my suspicion that someone may have wrote it for him. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:01 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 09 2011 01:48 aprudds wrote: I wake in the morning and I come back to giant walls of text. Oh boy, fun.
First off Drazerk, I still want to hear a response.
Next, can you guys please, make your analysis more readable? This is more directed towards Kurumi, Sprungjeezy and to a lesser extent Treadmill.
Kurumi: It takes every ounce of mental strength to even read through your posts without skipping them over. Please structure your thoughts and lay them out in a constructive manner instead of trying to barf whatever you were thinking on the page and hoping people will read it. Your posts have no coherent flow and with 5 of them in a row it just makes me want to ignore you for the rest of the game. I told you this before at the beginning but if your going to continue to defecate on the page I'm just going to ignore everything you write.
I'm not trying to be a dick but your posts make my eyes and brain hurt. It's worse than trying to read Shakespeare.
Treadmill: Giant quote walls hurt. They hurt alot. I am VERY THANKFUL though that you managed to at least have the courtesy of structuring it. Jackal was right on when he said to break it up so people can try and digest the information better.
Sprungjeezy: No your formatting isn't attractive at all. It's downright confusing. If you want people to actually read what you write without getting lost next time make it coherent. I literally cannot see what point your trying to make other than "he's suspicious vote for him". I apologize if you think that I'm stupid but can you make it clear what new information your bringing to the table? Because I just don't see it.
Lastly it's very disturbing that everyone seemed to have already forgotten the first lynch. We lynched the doctor and instead of looking at the votes to find scum, people are playing WIFOM.
People on my FOS: Kurumi-The voting fiasco Senj-The voting fiasco amazingxkcd-The voting fiasco and reasons outlined by treadmill Jimbooo-I have already outlined my reasoning Drazerk-I have already outlined my reasoning
xkcd, Jimboo and Drazerk care to justify yourselves?
This is for you, aprudds, you only referenced treadmill's posts but what is your thoughts? You want me to defend myself against you when you got nothing to say about me. replying with an xkcd comic... cute, however this just shows that he is only trying to avoid having to defend himself. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:08 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 09 2011 02:04 aprudds wrote:On June 09 2011 01:58 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote: Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol. Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. That is the statement i am trying to push for. I voted for rookie with similar evidence as jackal, while not knowing about his posts, then later people started to push for me. Notice the people who voted for rookie on jackal's posts then switched over to vote for me when one of the scums said i was suspicious. The problem is that jackal started the bandwagon with not so strong reasons. it looked like he was trying to get some more information out of rookie and see the reaction rather than the full out lynch. For you, an observer, to completely blindly agree with Jackal's reasoning (which isn't that strong in the first place) and then vote in a seemingly organized manner with 2 others is where the suspicions come in. Your less than stellar post history doesn't help you at all either. If Jackal's reasoning wasn't strong enough and if he just wanted information, then why did he vote for rookie right away after his analysis of rookie as detailed below? On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote:On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. We'll start with the post I linked: On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote: Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that. Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way). This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls. This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places). This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.
My analysis in red. This guy is scum. On June 07 2011 05:39 Jackal58 wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 A lot of other posts suggest that rookie and jackal may be in cahoots. This one suggests that jackal may be town and they took the opportunity to vote for rookie. The reason I bring this up is that this means that they wanted him to die, which they had no reason for. I am just bringing this up because the only possible reason to start a bandwagon at that point was to save freeloader. This makes me suspicious of freeloader. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:11 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote: Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol. Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today. Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You. I agree with this, and started to discuss this, but the main townies besides you aren't helping me with this. another xkcd comic in place of content... I would say this is annoying, but it serves the purpose of showing what hes doing. He claimed to try to start a discussion, but now that he's given a chance to start it, he instead says “UGH I tried to tell you about this, but not now, you're too late!” The only reason that he would decide not to is that he changed his mind, or someone told him not to. This is another connection between him and jackal, and I think that this means that they are both mafia, or trying to use jackal as a scapegoat. His next big post is his analysis of everyone. I'll ignore most of it, but I think the most interesting part is his accusation of jackal. First thing to note is that his is the only one not spoilered. This is obviously to get attention on his accusation of him. Next he says jackal is GF, this would make us want to lynch him more! 3rd is, when he wrote this, he was getting a LOT of votes. All of these lead to either jackal being mafia, and he voted him because if he does get lynched, people would leave jackal alone. Or 2 Jackal is his scapegoat, and he's trying to get jackal lynched instead of him. Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:45 amazingxkcd wrote: 1 last thing before i treuly go to sleep. This will create a shitstorm. I want all of you to watch people's reaction to my accusations to jackal. If they try to defend him without a doubt, they are trying to protect him. They are mafia scum. Do not forget. This one is just dumb of him. He is claiming all people that don't agree with him are mafia. He is only mentioning jackal again. There is definitely something between him and jackal at this point, but this post is entirely him trying to turn town against each other. Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:57 amazingxkcd wrote: I am still in school, waiting for the finals to finish in 20 mins. A lot of people have been advocating for iGrok's lynch so i will take that into account. Looking at his current status, he's making memes for map threads and trying to avoid the issues against him. I will further into that when i get home from school. this one is just him trying to divert attention. He sees he has a shot at surviving today, so he jumps all over that. Every single post from that point is him attacking Grok to survive. I think it's obvious that amazingxkcd is scum. Oh god what a mess. This is such poor analysis, most of it is creating connections where there are none and even using things that I would think make him town to call him scum. This post just screams of doing anything he can to defend iGrok, his mafia's godfather. On June 09 2011 13:45 amazingxkcd wrote: 1 last thing before i treuly go to sleep. This will create a shitstorm. I want all of you to watch people's reaction to my accusations to jackal. If they try to defend him without a doubt, they are trying to protect him. They are mafia scum. Do not forget. This one is just dumb of him. He is claiming all people that don't agree with him are mafia. He is only mentioning jackal again. There is definitely something between him and jackal at this point, but this post is entirely him trying to turn town against each other. All amazingxkcd is doing at this point is to make sure we focus on the connections between him and jackal (who he believes is scum) if he is going to be lynched tonight. There is no "connection" between jackal and amazingxkcd. This post is to point town in the right direction should he die. Not turn the town against eachother. I think it only shows that Munk-E does not want the town to focus on the real mafia and want the town to create connections where there are not any. Scum
4th Post + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2011 12:07 Munk-E wrote: REAAAAAAAALY sorry guys but i am very sick, I can't make analysis right now, and I promise to do it later. Less than an hour left in day 3 and this is his first post in the 48 hour period... seriously? He had no problem running to the defense of iGrok when it was close. Now that one of his mafia buddies is being killed for certain he stays quiet and waits until the last second to vote. ScumNote: I saw recent analysis that a lot of mafia were waiting to vote until the last second. This may be another example of this.
TL;DR + Show Spoiler +Munk-E is scum! -VERY low post count -Does not add to current discussion -Does not commit to any lynches unless they are assured killd or the alternative is mafia dying -Defends iGrok -Votes last minute
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EBWODP: I think Munk-E is a sure kill and we should focus on one of the other people on the list and just get a vigi to kill Munk-E at night.
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On June 15 2011 21:09 supersoft wrote: there is probably no vigi left over...
You think we only got one?
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On June 16 2011 04:28 Treadmill wrote: Since we DO have a third medic, if we have another DT they should definitely come forward and tell us what they've seen, as we can easily keep him alive. No GF should make their checks a lot better, though there is still a miller.
@supersoft: any particular reason you don't have blackone on your list too?
gtrsrs is town Munk-E is mafia My other DT check was killed the same night.
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I was going to check Treadmill too but I chose jackal on night 2 instead. Guess I made a mistake but it's my first game so I will learn.
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Will probably check Alderan
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